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Hand Banana: If you need help translating something or don't know what a word means, use google translator. The website is http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en . By the way, where are you from?Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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That sounds fine to me. If you think someone's scum, it's best to let them go on showing scumtells than to tell them what to correct. Panzerjager, your argument against this isn't very good.nekka-lucifer wrote: I've got suspicions on 3 players; names I will not say for the moment unless they start acting abit more town.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I'm sorry for having been so confusing. I voted the lurker because I didn't want you guys thinking I was indecisive or lurking, then handbanana pointed out that lurker hunting isn't a good thing.
Unvoteif I haven't already.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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wait...my bad. Was it nekka who didn't want to hunt lurkers? I wholeheartedly agree with that now that I think about it. I was just pretty much panicking and trying to contribute something so people wouldn't think I was lurking.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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Because if people think I'm lurking, I will seem more scummy than if I am not lurking. I think you're forgetting, town-aligned people don't want to look any scummier than scum-aligned people do.Tarhalindur wrote: The more important question, however, was the one you didn't answer.
So, do tell me Khelvaster, why would you be worried by people thinking that you're lurking?Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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if the mod isn't replacing them, they probably answered the prod and are lurking as part of a strategy. These lurkers are most likely scum or power roles.
Regarding Hand Banana, he could be scum, or he could just be a noob. I can't find a way to defend him, but I don't want to take part in his lynch either. I am undecided about him.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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This post doesn't strike me right. There is no way to even come close to truly assigning percentages that people are scum...Did you know 83% of statistics are made up?hand banana wrote: earlier i said there was 60% chance that at least one of you or Khelvaster are scum.
now i think it's <10% that khel is scum and you are at the 90+ % mark.
thus, vote: falconeLag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I almost want to lynch Hand Banana...I feel unsafe with him as our vig. He isn't scummy, but the way he's acting makes me feel really bad about his judgement to hit scum instead of townies at night. He apparently read through Tapioca mafia...in that game, the vig nailed a townie night 1 and a doc night 2. Despite this, we could just tell him not to kill anyone. That would weaken him down to a townie, but it would be better IMO than losing a townie.
Anyway, I am seeing something awkward about Panzer's posts. I don't know if it's just paranoia, so for nowIGMEOY, Panzer. I'll need to reread posts to find something substantial.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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He kept himself safe from mafia until doc dies by claiming. The mafia won't hit him, since the question of whether he would die is left open. A doc, if he exists, will definitely offer him protection.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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Vote: Nekka
No need to be so freaking hostile to the newbie. If we get two kills tonight, then hand banana is vig. If we get one kill, then hand banana is scum. It's that simple. I highly doubt the existance of a mafia roleblocker because of the small size of the game. Nekka is trying to quicklynch a claimed vig, and that is absolutely unacceptable.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I forget the edit acronym, so yeah...adding to my last pos23t.
I mentioned Panzer in an earlier post--I'll look at him more on d2. Nekka's actions are much worse than Panzer's. There isn't much to go on d1, but I think attempting to lynch the vig is a terrible offense. I got lynched for doing that on d1 in Tapioca mafia, and I was scum.
I'll say preemptively to Nekka and his inevitable OMGUS argument: don't give me any crap about this being a WIFOM accusation. No sane townie would go out of their way to try and lynch a vig. Instead, the townie would want to wait until d2 to see what comes of the vig's claim. Zero tolerance is the only way to go for trying to lynch unchallenged, claimed pro-town power roles day 1.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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Tar is also using an argument for lynch that is definitely a scumtell. He is saying the claimed vig is an inexperienced forced vig, and therefore we should lynch him. Tar has lain low most of the game--he now reared his ugly head to try and get a quick lynch.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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They're onto me because I made a sloppy play by mixing up tar and panzer. I backed out of that as soon as someone pointed it out to me--apparently fixing mistakes is a scumtell now.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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The crumb is in post 23 if you filter through only my posts. Notice that in my post 26 I confirm there is a crumb to be found in 23. If someone finds it, I will ask them to please not reveal my role, since that would make me the scum target of tonight (unless we have a doc.)Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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EBWOP: I am not asking for the doc to claim. Someone will probably take that last sentence to mean that. I am just saying I am scum's number 1 target tonight, being a claimed power role.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I was telling you guys to go out and find it because there are three scum and nine townies. The chance of a townie finding one is three times higher than that of a scum, assuming just one person finds it. If someone did find it and that person was a townie, he could say he found it, without giving away the specific role, and yet still verifying that I was ok. In the event I get to lynch -2, I will claim. I don't want a mafia picking me off when I am atlynch -1.
Also, I just read Panzer's latest accusation last page of HB being SK. He still seems to be trying to lynched a claimed vig.Vote: PanzerLag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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Tarhalindur wrote:Hold it. I just realized that Khelvaster's second breadcrumb is in post 182 (his *27th* post in this game), not 181. Khel's 182 is an EPWOP, so I can't be sure, but I *think* I know what Khel's been subclaiming.
Khel, are you lumping some of your posts together? Specifically, are you counting your 182 as part of your 181 (since it's an EPWOP) or not? I need to know.
I am not lumping them together. The only reason I mention post 181 is because it mentions my other post (26 in my filter view.) I had the number 23 in there, since my actual crumb is 23 in my filter view. I hid it pretty well, so I didn't want people thinking it was just coincidence that my crumb came out to what it is.
My entire claim is contained in number 23 of my filtered view. That is all I'll say. If you do find it, please post that you found it, but don't reveal anything else.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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The reason I put that 23 in post 26 was so nobody would think what you are thinking now. Anyway, I haven't given much explanation for my actions because there wasn't much to explain. I was simply ignorant in formulating my accusations. I don't have much of a case beyond that.Falcone wrote:
I found Khelvaster's hint, but I'm not convinced by it. It came relatively late in the game, making it less reliable. Furthermore, it's obscure enough that he could very well have hidden similar clues to other power roles in other posts. Anyways, there's nothing that keeps scum from breadcrumbing a role they don't have to rely on when they're in trouble, especially when, like in this case, it's extremely unlikely someone stumbles upon it without being told where to look.Falcone wrote:By the way, his breadcrumb of his claimed role doesn't convince me at all.
Also, again, why hasn't Khelvaster given any explanation for his actions instead of making his claim? Maybe because he has none...?Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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The puts me at lynch -2. Go to my post number 23 with the filter for me-only on, and look at the first letter of the last word of each sentence.Jenter Brolincani wrote:This is ridiculous,vote; Khelvasteruntil he tells us straight what he's claiming.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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Nekka-Lucifer talking to Tar wrote: Well done for blantently telling everyone that it's a cop claim... Due to his post records the first post isn't included because I think it's a /confirm post
Not everyone would have found it, making scum finding it less! And you just happened to tell everyone after I made a DISCREET chat about it to Khel while you told everyone...
ummmm No. He didn't reveal it to everyone. I did. He just simplified what I said (first letter of each last word of each sentence of post 23 when looking at my posts only.) If he were a scum, he could have waited to tell his buddies at night when looking for an NK. Now he just alerted the doctor as to who I was if, somehow, the doctor failed to see that small post of mine explaining how to find my crumb. If anything, this confirms tar as town, not scum.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I love the funky counterclaim. Panzer, I did some subtle crumbing, you didn't do any. I learned to crumb because my first game, Tapioca mafia, I got lynched because I claimed cop and then it turned out the real cop had done a crumb. I learned from my first game, so I went ahead and crumb'd on this game. You, on the other hand, did none of that.
Panzer is today's lynch. My PM didn't hint at any sanity issues, and I doubt anyway whether there would be on nonsane and one sane cop in a 12-man game. Before we let Panzer hammer himself, I strongly suggest that we determine Hand Banana's NK, if anyone should be NK'd. It's time to start analyzing who Panzer has been interacting with.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I suggest we both sit back and let everyone else post. If we keep talking without any 3rd party input, it would most likely turn into a really nasty fight, just as I am in another game I'm currently in.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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Well, that's enough opinions for me to feel confidant about posting my case against Panzer. This should be enough to convince you all that I am the real cop and Panzer's counterclaim is fake.
His strategy from the beginning of the game has been to go after HB, who presented himself as the easiest target through his newb claim. Despite this, Panzer has kept on hammering. Even after HB claimed vig, Panzer attacked him, automatically jumping to the conclusion that HB was actually an SK. He also has accused Falcone of things at times, but always the accusations returned to HB.
Here is a compliation of highly shady, disreputable, and outright scummy quotes from Panzer. Judge him for yourselves.Panzerjager wrote:First off...more certain then Hand Banana is vig. On top of that if he is gonna go around having power roles claim and such I'd rather have the vig lynched, because that is a terrible strategy.
Yes, so let's lynch the vig at every chance we get.Panzerjager wrote:HANDBANANA was the one who suggested he name people. I said mass claim because I figured you'd get the sarcasm because I was going on about how terrible the idea was. I think the claim is bullshit, and uncounterclaimed or not, it doesn't matter. Not every town has a vig especially in Normal mini's. Did you miss the part where I said "I am 100% AGAINST this strategy." I also said if he wants to go around and out power roles. I'd rather have him lynched because Cop/Doc are far more important then vig. Winning with out a vig is easy; winning without a cop or doc is far harder.
And persecute people for their opinions, Mr McCarthy. Stop with the OMGUSPanzerjager wrote:EDWOP: FoS: Tarhilindur for actually reading my post and then saying that I am confirmed scum.
Better safe than sorry--trust roleclaims unless there are counterclaims.Panzerjager wrote:How are we supposed to be certain that you are actually a vig and not a mafia goon that is role fishing?
It's his first game, and he still is unchallengedPanzerjager wrote:Well why would a protown player claim -5 from lynch
Or you could wait until tomorrow to see if he proves himself vig tonight. Your inability to look at alternatives gives you away. You hardly ever will see pro-town players trying to lynch claimed vigs day 1.Panzerjager wrote: I'm still not a fan of when he claimed, his thinking, his FoS me for being critical of his thinking, or his claim. If he wanted to come out and claim why did he wait so long. He seemed he was unsure and decided to gambit thinking his claim would be accepted and no one would give him questions, or he really did want to come out deceided to try to play it safe got flak and then said screw it i'll claim halfway through making it awkward. Either way I am getting very bad vibes from it, and am wishing he had a name to drop rather then that crap about no finding anyone suspicious enough to say he was gonna kill them. His little idea about saying I'll shoot them if they don't claim realy rubs me the wrong way. For now, I'm gonna risk being wrong about his role and Vote:HandBanana
Absolutely meaningless to dare someone to NK you. There is no way you would want that unless you are a jester-style guy, and in a minigame I doubt there would be a jester. Major scumtell in this post IMO. And also notice he is still clamoring to get us to BW on HB.Panzerjager wrote:Ebwop: I thought of somethings after I dared you. Anyway this is an example of what others were saying were bad about your strategy. You outting pro-town players because you are not familiar enough with Mafiascum or Internet Mafia and don't possess amazing scum hunting ability. I will not be claiming until we get close to a non-handbanana lynch or am being pressurized.
So, why are you assuming he's an SK when he claimed vig? That is something to think about after a few days, not something to assume immediately. Also, don't you dare say you didn't really think he was an SK.Panzerjager wrote:Supported Nekka's view? I never supported anything. I have brought plenty to the table against you, none of which that you have addressed. If anything it is Nekka who is supporting my views. I think you are SK. And Khelvaster, two kills does not mean shit if he is an SK. And I know we shouldn't go SK hunting but when he falls into your lap it is hard to say oh let's have him kill some people first. No, kill him.Panzerjager wrote:Khelvaster pay attention. I'm the one attacking Banana, the SK.
Not mentioning reasons when you vote is not a very pro-town thing to do.Panzerjager wrote:Unvote, Vote:Khelvaster
I have a stack of reasons but between not paying attention and being a hypocrite I can stick my vote on him comfortably without having to put all my reasons out there yet.
He wants to kill you because you are scum. You also voted for me, so why were you continuing to pursue the claimed vig? It just doesn't make sense, and neither does assuming he is SK in the first place. That just seems like a weakness you felt you could exploit in HB's claim. There is no substance behind your argument--it's just your personal opinion that he is SK.Panzerjager wrote:He is SK. Look at the way he is playing. He isn't listening to the town but claimed vig and that he was all for the town. Now he is selfish and on a powertrip, which is lynchable when it's a vig cause he becomes a protown Serial Killer. What was the motive behind claiming vig so quick? He took a shot and is uncounterclaimed which totally cleared him in several people eyes, regardless of what he has said. On top of this he wants to kill me who has been probably the most active at trying to catch scum, among other things. If he is a vig, he is a detriment and should be dealt with. If he is an SK, he is again a detriment and should be dealt with.
Blatant WIFOMPanzerjager wrote:Wait, If he is scum wouldn't that clear me too? I was the second on the wagon and the one who drew attention to him with the lurker hunting comment.
And then you go ahead and do just that. It's almost like you were baiting me to claim...Panzerjager wrote:HandBanana, I'm sure because of how many games I have played and my experiance with these situations. When people act like this I become pretty sure they are scum because of the percentage of time a person that does this is scum and the motivation behind the action. What reason does he have to claim I'm a power role but I bread crumbed. Guess my role. The only reason is either we nod like stupid townies and say ok and no one counterclaims because there is nothing to counterclaim. Or we pick up on the so called breadcrumbing figure out his role, someone counterclaims and we lynch khelv and have 2 outted powerroles. On top of those two options even if he claimed full either you or him are gonna die because there is no possible fucking way we have 2 docs. So why play all the games? He is probably gonna get lynched for claiming terribly(btw the timing was bad as well) or NKed for being a pwer role. I seriously doubt he is a power role, and fake claiming a power role is scummy.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I'll give some more stuff later. For now, I just want to bring two things up from my post 152.
This was said in response to HB having said he felt confidant in his own scumhunting abilities. Notice how I conclude that it would be better for him not to kill at all than for us to lynch him. Of course, using him as another lynch is the best option. I never actually advocated lynching him. That's why I said almost.Khelvaster wrote:I almost want to lynch Hand Banana...I feel unsafe with him as our vig. He isn't scummy, but the way he's acting makes me feel really bad about his judgement to hit scum instead of townies at night. He apparently read through Tapioca mafia...in that game, the vig nailed a townie night 1 and a doc night 2. Despite this, we could just tell him not to kill anyone. That would weaken him down to a townie, but it would be better IMO than losing a townie.
Check out how I suspected Panzer on post 152...He's been acting scummy for a while, and as a veteran player I would expect him not to be a scummy townie.Anyway, I am seeing something awkward about Panzer's posts. I don't know if it's just paranoia, so for nowIGMEOY, Panzer. I'll need to reread posts to find something substantial.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I'll give some more stuff later. For now, I just want to bring two things up from my post 152.
This was said in response to HB having said he felt confidant in his own scumhunting abilities. Notice how I conclude that it would be better for him not to kill at all than for us to lynch him. Of course, using him as another lynch is the best option. I never actually advocated lynching him. That's why I said almost.Khelvaster wrote:I almost want to lynch Hand Banana...I feel unsafe with him as our vig. He isn't scummy, but the way he's acting makes me feel really bad about his judgement to hit scum instead of townies at night. He apparently read through Tapioca mafia...in that game, the vig nailed a townie night 1 and a doc night 2. Despite this, we could just tell him not to kill anyone. That would weaken him down to a townie, but it would be better IMO than losing a townie.
Check out how I suspected Panzer on post 152...He's been acting scummy for a while.Anyway, I am seeing something awkward about Panzer's posts. I don't know if it's just paranoia, so for nowIGMEOY, Panzer. I'll need to reread posts to find something substantial.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I think it's obvious who I would vote for...anyway, here's something I want to mention now that we can bring up tomorrow/today after deciding on the lynch.
Also, if I manage to fail to make it through this day, this post should prove to be very helpful in nailing the town's second scum. I *DO NOT* advocate lynching Jenter today because that will put the doc in a very awkward WIFOM situation between me and Panzer tonight. If the doc were to choose Panzer over me (and panzer would make the similar WIFOM argument with our names reversed,) the town loses its cop. Again, I am voicing this now in the event that I die. I don't mean to distract you guys...try not to take much notice of this until the cop thing is resolved.
I think we just found our second scum. There is no way he could hurt the town by posting his opinions now. [speculation]I believe the motivation behind this would be to see how he could make a post to distance himself best from Panzer without actually helping indict Panzer. If the town opinion were to be very strong against either me or Panzer, he would be able to issue a massive anti-Panzer post.Jenter Brolincani wrote:I have content I don't want to post until I know EVERYONE's thoughts.
If I get lynched, Panzer would be sure to follow the next day as being scum. Because Jenter would have made a strong case against the scum on day 1, he would not be under as much suspicion as people who made a case for me. Similarly, if Panzer is under a lot of flak today, he would work to get Panzer lynched today and seem very pro-town for it. On the other hand, if people are 50/50, Jenter would work to get me lynched, thus using up today's lynch. He would be under suspicion, but no more than many others who suspected me. Townies who honestly believe that Panzer is the real cop would not be going out of their way to appear pro-town in case they are wrong, because they are pretty sure they are right. Jenter is playing this situation to his diplomatic advantage.[/speculation]
So there's my little tidbit about Jenter. If I am lynched, I believe you guys will now have your n1 NK and your d2 lynches all set up.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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That is exactly the point I was trying to convey, yes. I said it in a somewhat less diplomatic tone, because I believed HB to have already stated his desire to be independant.Tarhalindur wrote:
Khelvaster, would the following statement...Khelvaster wrote:I'll give some more stuff later. For now, I just want to bring two things up from my post 152.
This was said in response to HB having said he felt confidant in his own scumhunting abilities. Notice how I conclude that it would be better for him not to kill at all than for us to lynch him. Of course, using him as another lynch is the best option. I never actually advocated lynching him. That's why I said almost.Khelvaster wrote:I almost want to lynch Hand Banana...I feel unsafe with him as our vig. He isn't scummy, but the way he's acting makes me feel really bad about his judgement to hit scum instead of townies at night. He apparently read through Tapioca mafia...in that game, the vig nailed a townie night 1 and a doc night 2. Despite this, we could just tell him not to kill anyone. That would weaken him down to a townie, but it would be better IMO than losing a townie.
"IMO, hand banana should allow himself to be used as a second lynch, or at least agree not to fire. If he refuses, I'd consider lynching him even though he is an uncounterclaimed vig, since I don't trust his scumhunting abilities and his Azwolging behavior could be disasterous for the town."
...be a reasonable paraphrase of what you were trying to say in Post 152?
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I find it interesting how eager you are to point out that you've been looking at Panzerjager for some time, and how eager you are to (rightfully) point out that Panzer has been acting scummy for a while. After all, just because Panzer's actions have been scummy doesn't mean that your action's aren't...[/quote][/quote]
Check out how I suspected Panzer on post 152...He's been acting scummy for a while.Anyway, I am seeing something awkward about Panzer's posts. I don't know if it's just paranoia, so for nowIGMEOY, Panzer. I'll need to reread posts to find something substantial.
This means I have been acting in a fairly pro-town way, and I didn't jump on any bandwagons, unlike Panzer.
And on the subject of Jenter, I already said that I was posting that for the record, should I get lynched. I don't know how many of you guys had noticed it. I did not intend for this to be a topic of discussion atm.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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Very nice slip-up, Panzer. Any reason why a real cop wouldn't have said, "Don't direct me?"Panzerjager wrote:Don't direct the cop.
Anyway, what with all these double-claiming masons floating around, I believe the only good thing to do is
Vote: Jenter
I already have suspicions on him...the counterclaimed mason claim confirms my suspicions.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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Whoa there...this implies that there are four scum. Is that possible in a minigame? I think you should seriously reconsider your theory that there are scum-town links in every case.hand banana wrote:i have a new strategy.
we have 3 pairs of masons (maybe even 4, we'll see about that).
there is no doubt in my mind that every pair consists of one townie + one scum.
so there we have:
1st pair: nekka and alsleet
i'm not sure
50%-50%
2nd pair: rishi and jenter
i'm pretty sure
5%-95%
3rd pair: N9V and XXX
also, pretty sure NV is town
5% - 95%
and my plan is: we lynch jester, and i Night Kill NV's partner.
ok with that?
and panzer khelv situation will be resolved when we get theris investigations.
i think town wins easily in this game.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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I think that once we get a lynch, everything will be much easier. What we need to do now is first decide on a lynch, and then decide on who your kill should be.hand banana wrote:there is.
and it's possible that there are 4 scum if there are vig, cop, doc?, masons etc..
and it's also possible that there are 3 scum and both you and panzer are cops, but with sanity issues.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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The bigger question is why he didn't go ahead and vote Jenter, seeing as Jenter has not contributed to the town, and he has made a few majorly scummy, yet low-sized posts (the one I mentioned previously being the latest.)hand banana wrote:and this:
is the reason, i'm *possibly* going to kill elias (if i don't get enough defence).N9V wrote: Vote Rishi MAJOR FoS Jemter
n9 woudn't jsut randomly pick one and major fosed the other if he was scum nad knew about scum-townie pairs.
If I were you, I would go straight to the heart of things and kill n9v, assuming Jenter is scum. If Jenter were lynched as scum and you still didn't trust that I was cop, you should probably go ahead and NK n9v. Jenter is clearly scum in my book, as is Panzer. N9V is probably scum, but I find him scummier than his supposed mason partner. Go for Panzer if you trust yourself to find the right NK choice. If not, I'd support your going for N9V. I would like to remind you how Panzer was incredibly un-town in supporting the theory that you must be SK, without even considering that we should keep you alive for at least 1 or 2 nights to test that theory. That is the most incredibly anti-town action I have ever seen in all the mafia games I have played.
@Everyone: With a 4-scum setup highly likely (cops with sanity issues seem highly unlikely,) this game could not be balanced if HB were an SK. 4 scum/1 SK/1 cop/3 nonconfirmed mason pairs/1 doc (hopefully there's a doc...otherwise I'm fucked, along with the rest of the town) is inbalanced. The only town power roles in this case would be the doc and the cop. Against 4 scum and an SK, the town would stand no chance, especially with the wierd mason pairings popping up.
That is why it is extremely reasonable to believe HB is a vig instead of an SK.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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Before all these quote chains get out of hand, I'm going to prune some stuff from excessive quotes by seperating them out in my post, if you don't mind. The format is starting to get on my nerves when I look at my post and see five QUOTE=XXXXXX before any content. It also is harder to remember who posted what. Anyway,
I was trying to give the scum a minor headache at night if it happened that a townie found my crumb but not a scum. More specifically, if the doc knew I was good from a townie confirmation and protected me, the scum would be agonizing over whether I was doc or cop, and could quite possibly waste their NK on me.Khelvaster wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:
Khelvaster wrote:I almost want to lynch Hand Banana...I feel unsafe with him as our vig. He isn't scummy, but the way he's acting makes me feel really bad about his judgement to hit scum instead of townies at night. He apparently read through Tapioca mafia...in that game, the vig nailed a townie night 1 and a doc night 2. Despite this, we could just tell him not to kill anyone. That would weaken him down to a townie, but it would be better IMO than losing a townie.Tarhalindur wrote: Khelvaster, would the following statement...
"IMO, hand banana should allow himself to be used as a second lynch, or at least agree not to fire. If he refuses, I'd consider lynching him even though he is an uncounterclaimed vig, since I don't trust his scumhunting abilities and his Azwolging behavior could be disasterous for the town."
...be a reasonable paraphrase of what you were trying to say in Post 152?Khelvaster wrote: That is exactly the point I was trying to convey, yes. I said it in a somewhat less diplomatic tone, because I believed HB to have already stated his desire to be independant.
That doesn't really matter. I said the pointTarhalindur wrote: I find it rather interesting that you say that's "exactly the point you were trying to convey". See, when I originally wrote that paraphrase I wasn't actually trying to paraphrase your post 152.I was trying to convey. I didn't admit to having conveyed that point well. Also, one of the pivotal points in your arguments against me has been that I advocated HB's lynch. I never at any time did so. I said that I "almost" felt like lynching him. That means I don't, not that I do. What is so unclear about that?
First of all, I already said that I had confused you and Panzer. It was a mistake in my memory. Townies can do that just as much as scum can.Tarhalindur wrote: Now, let's take a look at your posts 212 and 213:
Khelvaster wrote:Vote: Tarhalindur
Tar is the only person I've seen who is continuously trying to take down a claimed, unchallenged vig. That is not good in my book.
Setting aside the obvious problems with this post (I wasn't even arguing for a lynch, let alone a quick lynch - considering a lynch, yes, but not actually arguing for it), I find this post, if not a direct contradiction of Khelvaster's post 152, then at least very hypocritical in light of his 152, seeing as Khelvaster's attacking me for using theKhelvaster wrote:Tar is also using an argument for lynch that is definitely a scumtell. He is saying the claimed vig is an inexperienced forced vig, and therefore we should lynch him. Tar has lain low most of the game--he now reared his ugly head to try and get a quick lynch.exact same train of thoughtthat he followed in his own 152.
Second, I said I *almost* wanted to lynch HB because he was so out of control. I did, however, recantin the same postby saying that the town would be better off with HB not vigging anyone than us lynching him or his vigging without our deciding who his vig should be. You seem to have either misread or misinterpreted my text. Go back and read post 152 and you will see very clearly that I don't advocate lynching HB in any way. That fact also answers your next argument, so I will skip to the end of your post.
1. I claimed that I had acted in a pro-town way (implying at least once,) not that I had always acted in a pro-town way. Some people tend not to contribute anything at all to games--I contributed a good deal of stuff. Looking back, I see that the breadcrumb hunt was a bad idea for wasting time.Tar wrote:I don't agree with you that you've been acting in a pro-town way. Indeed, given the contradictions I'm seeing in your posts and the breadcrumb hunt you led us on, I think that you're probably scum, and Panzer is probably the real cop.
2. Regarding the breadcrumb hunt, I justified why I did that. Here is the relevant quote.
Khelvaster wrote:I was telling you guys to go out and find it because there are three scum and nine townies. The chance of a townie finding one is three times higher than that of a scum, assuming just one person finds it. If someone did find it and that person was a townie, he could say he found it, without giving away the specific role, and yet still verifying that I was ok.
There, Tar. Have I adequately defended myself?Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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`hand banana wrote:kill n9v?
no, i'm planning to kill elias.
i have no reason to believe you more than i do panzer.
Yeah, but why the hell would you kill elias? Look at the scenarios.
1. He and n9v are both town. You just killed a town, and maybe the scum/no-scum pair theory holds up.
2. He is town and n9v is scum. See #1.
3. He is scum and n9v is town. Very unlikely--elias/roland are much less scummy than some other people in this game.
4. Both he and n9v are scum. Would mean either 5 scum (incredibly unlikely) or a town-town and scum-town mason pair. Also very unlikely, because why would n9v make that extremely risky mason claim in the first place if it would just bring 2 more scum into the spotlight.
n9v is not only scummier, but his being scum would mean a jackpot, since he has so much to analyse. You can get others' opinion on this--elias is definately not the NK for today.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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EBWOP Again: I take full responsibility for convincing HB to vig Jenter. If you guys think that this would be enough to justify lynching me today, then so be it. I am probably doing the town a disservice by being alive.Lag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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My result on AlSleet was innocent mason.Falcone wrote:3.
FoS: Khelvaster. How do you know hand banana killed Jenter?
By the way, what was your result on AlSleet? "Innocent", "Mason", "Innocent Mason", or something else?
I believe hand banana killed Jenter because
1. Hand banana needed guidance, and I specifically gave him guidance, as well as presenting a pretty good case against Jenter. The day was then ended prematurely.
2. There was a theory floating around that there were scum-mason pairs. It would have been fairly easy for the mafia to set up a D2 jenter lynch if Rishi, part of the jenter-rishi pair, were dead, leaving Jenter, a highly scummy person and the other half of the pair.
Your bringing up that question made me think about who advanced the pairings in the first place, so for now I willFoS: n9vLag actually does exist in real life. For proof, look no further than Jesus: When he died, it took him three *days* to respawn.-
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damn my memory...n9v was the one who brought up the rishi/major FoS jenter, then you brought up the pairings.hand banana wrote:
i guess that was me.khelv wrote: who advanced the pairings in the first placeUn FoS: n9v
FoS: Falcone
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