Open 43 - C9+2 GAME OVER before 499

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Original Roll String: 1d9

1 9-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

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Vote: ryan

We meet again.

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MoS seems suspicious to me. He does not post for a while, then posts only when under the pressure vote and even then his posts say almost nothin except for the fact that hes voting ryan. Seems like lurker behaviour. I understand that Tyler J had similar behaviour but he atleast had a counter argument against the bandwagon.Why did you vote for Ryan, MoS?

FoS: Mastermind of Sin

Try some reading retention classes.

Original Roll String: 1d9 (STATIC)

1 9-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

(Note: It says fixed, but that's only because I quoted the original post, which was not fixed)

Do I need to number them for you, or can you count for yourself?

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Mr.PiGG
ryan
DeathSauce
ChocolateAttack
FeRnAnDo
TylerJ
thinktank
Setael

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lurker-hunting is a common scum tactic used to try and look protown. It's WIFOM to say that it's a protown action.

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Unvote, Vote: Setael

Feels opportunistic to me, riding the anti-lurkerhunting wagon that I started in order to jump on Fernando. I actually don't think Fernando is suspicious for his post. Rather, I think he's inexperienced and didn't know better. That's why I clarified for him.

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Setael's vote was the third in a direct series of attacks and posts that could cast suspicion on Fernando. The second post (and first vote, showing initiative) could not really be considered opportunistic, although that doesn't mean he's *not* scum, obviously. However, Setael was the second post and third in a series of attacks, so I would say that definitely falls under a variation on Jeep's Tells.

CA, you clearly don't know what "opportunistic" means, if you think it's opportunistic that I directed attention at Setael's actions rather than letting him slide under the radar and jumping on a wagon of suspicion that I had already started. If there ever was an opportunity for me, it was to place the third vote after finding out that two other people agreed with my post about lurker hunting, pushing him to a claim. I could then have pointed out that it was I who first made the counter-argument against him and have wiggled my way out of suspicion for it.

*That*

would be opportunistic...

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And how do u explain about you appear right after someone wanted to prod u for 3days absents?

Easy. I'm in another game in Little Italy that I also hadn't posted in yet, and that mod prodded me. If you go check that game, you'll note that I posted in both games at about the same time, because I noticed this one after going to check on the other one.

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Fernando doesn't seem suspicious but those who jumped on him do.

It seems that Mafia is rather experienced because they have yet to make a noticeable mistakes. I looked through all of the posts, but nothing has popped up yet.

This post is bullshit. I'm the only experienced player here, and I couldn't be mafia with myself.

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I'm not saying that I'm not scum just because of Tyler's comment. What I'm saying is that there aren't enough experienced players in the game for the mafia to be all experienced.

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How do you know the mafia is doing rather good right now? Only the mafia know how they are doing, since it is still D1.

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Your serious???

From the games I have played, mafia usually make some noticeable mistakes within the first three pages. I was just comparing to those games.

I don't think that post was worthy of an FOS. Consequently, MoS, your jumping the gun and trying to point out others faults. You did the same with CA, but left out the FOS.

What are you trying to say here? I haven't FoSed anyone all game...why are you saying I'm FoSing people, and why are you voting me for it?

As for the games *you've* played, I don't think you're the expert around here. You joined, what, a month ago? Unless you're an alt, I think I know how games work around here more than you. You sound like one of those guys who is used to games finishing in like 4 weeks instead of 4 months.

Scum almost

NEVER

make a noticable mistake in the first three pages, much less the first ten. Trust me on this. If you think the scum is playing well to not get caught after 3 pages, you're dreaming.

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My apologies MoS. You never did FOS anyone. Perhaps you are right and things do take longer here. After all, this is my first game on this specific site.

I still think your are jumping the gun by pointing fingers and making accusations. So as of now, my vote remains.

I will ask though, please be a little less hostile. And if the same can be asked about me, then ask.

So you think we should all passively sit by and just wait for a scum to do something bad? You have to point out what people do wrong and find alternative motives for how they act, or they really will be able to coast through the game.

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Unvote/Vote: Mastermind of Sin

Your statement that scum never make mistakes in the first three pages is just stupid. I've seen lynches happen after two pages and scum get outed by saying stupid things. I'm interested in where this wagon leads.

ORLY? Please, link me to a game where scum got outed in the first three pages. For every game you find on this site, I'll link you to 100 games where they didn't out themselves in the first three pages. Bring it.

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Wow. That's retarded, ryan. THOSE WERE NEWBIE GAMES. THIS IS NOT A NEWBIE GAME. Most newbie games span about 3 game-days in 8-12 pages, so any scum that is lynched D1 has usually outed themselves early. However, the newbie setup is small and doesn't apply here. There are more protown people, and it's inherently easier for the scum to hide. It doesn't take a lot of skill to not do something stupid, and I could still link you to 200 games where scum weren't outed in the first 3 pages. Want me to? Shit, I could do 300 if you could find another one. Just let me know, and I'll do it.

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k. Have fun trying to lynch me. You haven't even presented an argument for me to be scum yet. Good luck with that.

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Oh, but all the scum are obviously too experienced to mess up, right? Win-win argument for you, eh?

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k me

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NO U.

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TylerJ, you should check out the rest of the wiki, it's got a lot of useful stuff, like Jeep's Tells.

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Wow. TylerJ just asked why we should argue in this game...Tyler, this is a game

that is built around the concept of arguing

. The whole point of this game is that we should argue over our suspicions until we kill someone. Do some night stuff and repeat.

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Arguing is good for getting leads on players.

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vote count, please?

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Why is Fernando being voted?

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Goddamn. If I was mafia with Setael and ChocolateAttack, we'd be the best damn mafia ever. I don't think the three of us have been on the same side of an argument all game.

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TylerJ, would you like to actually analyze your summary of people's actions? All you did was list off what people have done in the game. You haven't said what you think about it, or given any actual real analysis.

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Goddamn. If I was mafia with Setael and ChocolateAttack, we'd be the best damn mafia ever. I don't think the three of us have been on the same side of an argument all game.

Distance much?

Obviously. Good job checking your facts before making random accusations.

Unvote, Vote: Ryan

Someone's not paying attention and just wants to find a reason to attack people.

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Yup, I am saying that. And if you weren't just flailing around for a reason to attack me, you...wouldn't be attacking me for this...

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I'm flailing to get discussion going again and obviously it worked.

So now that you've admitted to flailing, would you like to explain to me what was wrong with your argument, in order to prove to me that you aren't just backing off to get me less suspicious of you?

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I see that you still don't see the problem with your accusation. I made my post about not agreeing with two players partly in jest, partly with the hope that I would trap a scum who tried to push me on that comment. I feel that I've trapped you, and so far it looks like I have. You were too eager to put more suspicion on me to actually stop and think about the facts.

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Oh please MoS, you had no plan with your comment except to distance from a couple of your scum buddies. If you did it in jest where was the proof with a smiley face, a just kidding comment or something to show the game you were joking? It wasn't there and now you're trying to spin things in your favor.

I'm still giving you a chance to recover, but you're digging a deeper hole.

Does anyone object to me explosing ryan at this point? We're going in circles.

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Goddamn. If I was mafia with Setael and ChocolateAttack, we'd be the best damn mafia ever. I don't think the three of us have been on the same side of an argument all game.

Distance much?

Goddamn. If I was mafia with Setael and ChocolateAttack, we'd be the best damn mafia ever. I don't think the three of us have been on the same side of an argument all game.

Distance much?

Obviously. Good job checking your facts before making random accusations.

Unvote, Vote: Ryan

Someone's not paying attention and just

wants to find a reason to attack people

.

Pretty much just like your reason for voting me than eh? You just said that you Setael and Chocolate Attack haven't been on the same side of an argument all game, basically saying trying to say that you don't agree on anything? It's a fair question. You are obviously trying to say that you three couldn't be on the same side because you don't agree.

I'm flailing to get discussion going again and obviously it worked.

I admitted to putting something to get discussion moving and just because you didn't agree with it doesn't mean it's a bad idea. This game is dragging ass right now. I'm not backing off my suspicions on you as I do still feel you are scummy, but I'm more interested in somebody who I feel is lurking, hence my pressure vote on Setael. I still feel you are trying to distance yourself from your possible scum partners, THAT is why I responded "distance much?" Is this such a difficult argument? You made a big deal of not agreeing with two players in the game, I called you on it and you reacted quite quickly. Shouldn't be much discussion needed on that point, you did exactly what I predicted you would do. (Dropped an OMGUS vote on me and than whined about my accusation)

Oh please MoS, you had no plan with your comment except to distance from a couple of your scum buddies. If you did it in jest where was the proof with a smiley face, a just kidding comment or something to show the game you were joking? It wasn't there and now you're trying to spin things in your favor.

I had no plan, did I? What about the fact that careless scum would be so eager to jump on my "slip", or whatever you want to call it, that they would forget that this is an

open setup

, and that C9+2 only has

two mafia

, so I couldn't be distancing from a

"couple of"

my scumbuddies. Nor was I making a badly supported argument that us

"three couldn't be on the same side".

Check.

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So, next time you think I've made myself an easy target and "freaked out" about it, take a second thought about my possible motives, and you won't expose yourself.

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Setael I agree with you. On this argument both sides have their good points and bad ones.

First, ryan did jump on a post, but it could have been just to get something started. The problem with this theory is that MoS has already been active. When ryan said that MoS does seem to get defensive whenever people start point him out, he was right, that is what MoS is doing.

MoS thinks he has cornered ryan on that post but that isn't strong evidence. However, his counter-arguments are just as jumpy as MoS' are, I don't think he likes people pointing fingers at him either. When MoS claimed to have planned his post in order to catch scum I can't help but think he was lying.

Ryan why are you already role claiming? That's the most scumtell move I've seen all game. Im starting to reconsider...

I agree that scum generally would know how many scum there are, but I also believe that some scum (such as ryan) would be so focused on attacking their target that they would forget this and try to take the easy potshots.

The reason I jumped on Ryan as soon as he made his post was exactly for the reason that I was waiting for someone to fall into that trap.

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It'd be nice if more than me, ryan, and TylerJ were doing stuff.

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Mod: Can you prod Fernando and replace him if he doesn't respond in like 48 hours?

Thanks.

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ryan, don't spout bullshit, please. You know as well as anyone else that no scum is going to claim "scum". Just because you claimed townie doesn't make you a townie. We're not going to just sit around and wait for someone to claim scum before we vote. That would be retarded, and you know it.

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3 votes for ryan, a vote for Mr Pigg, maybe some other votes.

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ryan, don't spout bullshit, please. You know as well as anyone else that no scum is going to claim "scum". Just because you claimed townie doesn't make you a townie. We're not going to just sit around and wait for someone to claim scum before we vote. That would be retarded, and you know it.

Than state a valid case that I have an option of defending. So far there has been no solid evidence that I'm scum in this game, just wild accusations. I never said scum were going to claim but if you want a legit claim than yes I am a townie and voting me isn't going to get the town any closer to winning this game.

Sure it will. You die, scum or not. That gets us a lot closer. Plus we'll have finally finished D1. That gets us closer. Overall, I'm satisfied with your death improving the town's chances.

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This is not a quick D1. WTF are you smoking?

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vampyrusddg has me convinced.

Unvote, Vote: TylerJ

He's a bit overly aggressive here.

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Tyler, there is only one vote on Ryan at the moment. Feel free to vote him if you really think he is scum. If you are town, I (as you) wouldn't stop voting him just because I (MoS) am voting you. That doesn't mean you shouldn't continue hunting among other people, though.

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Uhh, ryan???

I'm voting TylerJ.

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Sorry people! i have 2 mid term this week and a project, i have no time to play, i post this in all my game and i didn't make any reading but i try to come back right after i finish with my mid terms.

QFT

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JDOUDGE IS HERE OUMGZ!

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so what's the votecount?
People seem to be switching votes or casting new ones , hard to keep track. Atleast now we can get the game going considering we have all active players.

I not not sure if i should be suspicious of Ryan or not. he's quite aggressove and gets defensive really fast, but i dont think that's enough reason to lynch him. People are now voting Tyler, whats the core argument against Tyler?

vampyrusddg has me convinced.

Unvote, Vote: TylerJ

He's a bit overly aggressive here.

Tyler's attacks on ryan seem scummy to me. I'm finding myself agreeing with ryan lately. The people attacking him are riding the coattails of my attack. They haven't actually presented a good reason themselves.

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A vote by me on him would seem OMGUS

Self-aware, are we?

After the attention that has been on him, I'd expect him to be a little self-aware. Not everyone plays with reckless abandon.

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Yea I'm liking a TylerJ vote even more now.

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*Deep breath*

Thinktank you are the only one besides ryan who has given a reason for voting me. Thank you.

I was quick to, I don't deny it or regret it. I believe ryan is scum. Perhaps my frustration at him has blinded me to think otherwise but I still think he is. Maybe that will change. Unfortunately, I think my angry comebacks at him are going to cause a grudge.

So to you ryan, I ask forgiveness for my anger aimed towards you. This does not mean that my past opinions have changed.

And to reply to your last post, you said I wasn't doing well under pressure. That is too true. I never thought you would have pushed my buttons so perfectly. Nobody is seeing my way, and on top of that you disagree with my intentions and call me scum. I don't like it when people disagree with me and usually want to argue till people see it my way. Hence the down fall.

If you think this is scummy I can't refute it. I didn't do well under pressure, not because you are pointing a finger at me though. Far from it. Rather because you disagree with my true intentions.

I love how Tyler is blatantly lying about which people have given a reason to vote him.

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He's stretching it. My vote was 100% random, because I used the forum's built-in randomizing function. I didn't *choose* my vote, so it's not possible for me to have found an arbitrary reason to vote my scumbuddy if I was scum.

As for ryan, it's not like I feel that he is *that* protown. It's that I think some of the people attacking him are scum by the way they've done it. That's why I'm voting TylerJ. His jump onto the ryan-wagon was overly aggressive and lacked enough reasoning to support the confidence and aggressiveness that he exuded. That is scummy to me.

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damn, deathsauce is dense. or reaching scum.

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Rofl. I don't think I even need to explain why that last post is a load of crock.

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TylerJ, how is he lying just because he slipped up? He made a Freudian slip about being a townie. I fail to see how you can be so sure that he lied.

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Tyler, that post doesn't even make any sense. I want you to tell me, VERY CLEARLY, where ryan lied. I want you to quote the exact post where he lied and explain why he lied. You have given

NO INDICATION

of where he lied.

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So you think he specifically said the word townie in that post...for what reason?

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Tyler, if he's town, he's not lying. A slip of the tongue (or in this case, keyboard), is not a LIE. It is an accidental admission of

truth

. A townie would do what he did because it was an

ACCIDENT

. Duh...

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Because you're being a flaming douchebag.

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Because you're being a flaming douchebag.

lol not to be offensive but anyone else see the irony in that statement?

Ad hom is cool that way.

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Name calling again? Man, MoS please stop. I asked a question, that is all.

No, seriously. You are making completely baseless and illogical attacks on ryan. I still suspect him somewhat, but I'm attacking you for the complete retardedness of your comments regarding him. I think there is a distinct possibility that you saw a chance to bus ryan when I was attacking him. Now you're getting hung out to dry. Deal with it.

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Calling someone a "flaming douchebag" is simple-minded name calling, you have not even risen to the level of

ad hominem

.

Seriously, if this game is going to allow mindless insults, I'd like to be replaced.

The gist of the post was "you're wrong because you're a flaming douchebag". That's close enough...it's not like I was making the post without reason. I had plenty of reason to call him a flaming douchebag. Just go to the bottom of the thread, scroll the list to "TylerJ", and click "go". Read, and I'm sure you'll agree.

But that's besides the point. Let's put this all behind us now.

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I understand that we criticized Tyler for his quick hammer on Fernando but CA also has been jumping wagons, he jumped on a wagon just as quickly as Tyler did. Also he has not posted much relevant content to give enough feedback on him. I would like to hear why he jumped wagons . I understand that he has midterms so it may be a few days before we hear from him.

i did have a reason to jump wagon. It the post above the post that i voted.

Im back people! Anyway, I will keep my unvote for tylerj and go for MoS because he appear only after someone calling out a prod for him. Ever since then he quite active but rather opportunistic for grapping on Setael's vote.

Wow! it only a game guys, calm yourself down especially MOS. You flaming at everyone will not help the town. Everybody here have the right to suspect anybody since you only know your alignment so it best to bright up every thing you know, see or thinks.

Fos: MOS

for being too hot headed and got a thing or two for TylerJ's reasons.

First, please rephrase the last sentence of this post. I don't know what you're talking about.

Second,

Let's put this all behind us now.

I suggest you leave it alone.

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CA, what if TylerJ is newb scum? How do you expect to be able to differentiate?

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Yes, but you need to be able to back up your theory. Mafia is not a game of innocent until proven guilty, because the only way to prove someone guilty is a cop or death. In this game, it's guilty until proven innocent, and TylerJ's actions are scummy, whether or not he is a newb. Unless you have reason to believe that he is newbtown over newbscum, I don't really see how you can hold that theory. I do understand where you are coming from, but I think you need to reevaluate your parameters.

Side Note: this post is my 7781st, which puts me past MeMe as the #1 actual poster on the site (there is a test account with like 16 billion)

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Actually, I'm insistent that CA have a logical reason to think you are protown. He doesn't have to think you are the most likely scum, but he should think that you are more suspicious than not, unless he presents evidence to the contrary. What's he's saying doesn't match up with his conclusions. He presents a case that shows you to be scum and then says he thinks you are protown. There is a discrepancy there.

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I can agree with that. It wasn't you I had a problem with anyway, it was MoS.

I'm saying the same thing ryan is. I want him to take a stance. If he takes the stance that you are town, he needs to back it up. If he takes the stance that you are scum, he STILL needs to back it up. The problem is, as I already explained, he took the stance that you were town and backed it up with evidence that you were scum. That doesn't add up.

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You *are* under the radar, thinktank. You may have voiced your opinions, but you disappear for long periods of time and then pop in, say something, then leave again.

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He presents a case that shows you to be scum and then says he thinks you are protown.

When did i presented a case that show TylerJ was scum and when did i thought he was protown?

I am NOT going to rehash this stuff again. This is what stalls games, talking in circles. Just accept that you and I clearly don't agree and we'll drop it. If I think you are scummy enough to vote for you later in the game, we can rehash it then. I am tired of going in circles right now.

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When did Tyler hammer? It's still Day 1...

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Setael wagoned fernando

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No, we are voting Tyler for his attack on ryan.

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thinktank is posting.

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Vampyrus, JDodge, and Setael are the worst offenders.

Vote: JDodge

I've seen him use this tactic as scum before. Unacceptable. Let's get rid of him.

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Setael is scum with JDodge. She posted the huge "case" on ThinkTank to distract from my pointing out his lurker tactics.

(insert generic "I'll reread later" thing here)

vote: Tyler

Can someone remind me why ryan acting like ryan always does is scummy? Yes, he's a

liability

, but not necessarily scum.

I'll actually reread the posts from before I replaced in later.

Those are his only two posts so far. This is a tactic JDodge has used as scum before. He is actively posting in other games, but not this one. He is scum, and we should lynch him, followed by Setael (if we are right), for the win.

Unvote, Vote: JDodge

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I didn't say Jordan. I said JDodge.

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I can't quote games he's in, but I can link you to his posts, which will show that he is still actively posting in games and in other threads.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... hor=JDodge

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Let's run up Setael and JDodge. GOGOGO.

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My money is still on MoS or ryan or both. This swift attack by MoS reeks of desperation. Let's get MoS.

Swift attack? Don't make me laugh.

I've been suspicious of Setael all game...JDodge I didn't notice until I extricated myself from the Tyler/Ryan/MoS argument to look at the other players.

Also, what could I possibly be desperate about? It's not like I'm being run up. I'm not under any pressure, and no one else is being bandwagoned heavily, so I couldn't be protecting a scumbuddy if I was scum. Your argument is completely senseless.

Unvote, Vote: Setael

Feels opportunistic to me, riding the anti-lurkerhunting wagon that I started in order to jump on Fernando. I actually don't think Fernando is suspicious for his post. Rather, I think he's inexperienced and didn't know better. That's why I clarified for him.

Setael's vote was the third in a direct series of attacks and posts that could cast suspicion on Fernando. The second post (and first vote, showing initiative) could not really be considered opportunistic, although that doesn't mean he's *not* scum, obviously. However, Setael was the second post and third in a series of attacks, so I would say that definitely falls under a variation on Jeep's Tells.

CA, you clearly don't know what "opportunistic" means, if you think it's opportunistic that I directed attention at Setael's actions rather than letting him slide under the radar and jumping on a wagon of suspicion that I had already started. If there ever was an opportunity for me, it was to place the third vote after finding out that two other people agreed with my post about lurker hunting, pushing him to a claim. I could then have pointed out that it was I who first made the counter-argument against him and have wiggled my way out of suspicion for it.

*That*

would be opportunistic...

+ Uber Lurking.

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can't use other

currently running

games. But Jdodge, please be respectful.

Fixed.

That being said, I have seen JDodge use this strategy as scum before, and there is NO WAY I will believe that he "suddenly remembered" the game. I know for a fact that he was watching the game and not posting. I just can't prove it to everyone in the game.

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No, I can't. I thought I could, but I realized the person I was thinking of wasn't JDodge. Sorry. So I don't have this as a pattern for him. I still think it's pretty suspicious, though.

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We aren't waiting for the 11th Hour. Let's get rid of him.

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Talking to me? Cuz I ain't scum.

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we can't replace someone who is actually posting now. But he is purposefully not posting content.

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This post really rubs me the wrong way for some reason, but I can't place it.

Unvote, Vote: DeathSauce

Let's see where this goes.

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*sigh*

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I figured you'd vote and STILL not explain your stupid theory, thanks for proving my vote to be concrete till we see your scum ass lynched.

I notice that you don't actually try to debunk JDodge's theory, instead resorting to ad hom to distract from the issue at hand.

@MoS - I'm guessing your *sigh* was for my 2nd vote on Deathsauce. If so, could you please stop making such a huge deal about every time I am the second vote? Evidently it doesn't have the connotation you think it does, since you've been wrong about it twice now.

It was for your vote, but not because of the place on the wagon. Those tells only work in specific circumstances, and they're not very reliable. It was more the fact that you just jumped on behind

my

gut vote without providing any reasoning.

I agree that TylerJ probably would distance instead of defending as scum, but I'm really curious about DeathSauce's last post, which reeks of scumminess. No one has actually given any reasons for JDodge's theory to be bad, and it looks pretty decent to me. I'm seeing a DeathSauce/ryan scumgroup here. Hell, on the offchance that ryan is town, DeathSauce's vote looks scummy to me regardless.

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I've done similar strategies as town before. *shrug*

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I will not be able to post content until tonight or next monday. I have an Ultimate tournament this weekend.

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Mod: Can we get a prod on vampyrusdog?

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Fuck it.

nvm. I'm in a bad mood, but I'm trying hard to convince myself that hammering would be bad for the town, and that JDodge is going to actually contribute something to the discussion besides grilling ryan with leading questions and using fallacies to make him look scummy.

I'm trying reeeeeaaaaallll hard here.

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fuck it. JDodge probably isn't scum, but I'll be damned if I get caught by an elaborate bussing scheme between JDodge and ryan. We can come back to DeathSauce tomorrow. I am tired of this day.

Unvote, Vote: JDodge

That's it.

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I do not support a ryan lynch tomorrow. I think Setael is reading way too much into his post.

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I like DeathSauce's defense today. Let's run up Setael. He went after DeathSauce for "congratulating the doc", even though three other people, including ryan, had already commented on it before him. I think Setael is pushing the DS case way too hard.

Vote: Setael

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I'm right here. I like "eat my hat" guarantees.

[Mastermind of Sin]

It is highly unlikely that both setael and DS are scum for the similar reasons to why ryan is probably not scum. They're pushing too hard against each other to try and distance themselves.

MoS, Ryan,: what are your opinions on the two of them?

Why are you asking me?

[Mastermind of Sin]

It is highly unlikely that both setael and DS are scum for the similar reasons to why ryan is probably not scum. They're pushing too hard against each other to try and distance themselves.

MoS, Ryan,: what are your opinions on the two of them?

Why are you asking me?

Who cares, answer the question.

I want him to answer my question first. He really shouldn't have a reason to ask me...

[Mastermind of Sin]

I like DeathSauce's defense today. Let's run up Setael. He went after DeathSauce for "congratulating the doc", even though three other people, including ryan, had already commented on it before him. I think Setael is pushing the DS case way too hard.

Vote: Setael

That should answer your question...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why does DeathSauce being town mean I have to be scum? Just because we can' t be scum together does not mean the inverse is also true. That's a hugely fallacious argument there, Setael.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Good question. I think it's highly unlikely, and if Deathsauce comes up Town I would need to reread.

Throughout the game there have been a few posts that have made me think that MoS and Deathsauce are not likely scum together, so if Deathsauce came up Town I think I would look closely at MoS.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually it's pretty close. "look closely at MoS" implies that you think I'd be scum if DeathSauce isn't. It's a

very

strong implication.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Except for the fact that I was saying I'd be doing a reread. Saying you'd look closely at someone while rereading doesn't mean you think they're for sure scum. You seem really worried, actually. I'm not so sure a townie would've jumped to the conclusion you did and tried to paint me as scummy for it.

Rofl. Goddamnit, Setael. I was about to suggest that you and DeathSauce were townies fighting each other while the sucm sat back and laughed. Then you came out with this little ridiculous gem. I suggest you reevaluate what you're saying here. You got on DeathSauce's case for saying he'd "be rather suspicious" of ryan after you came up town, when you pretty much said the same thing about me. Feel free to poll the other players in the game and prove me wrong. I stand by the fact that your post rather strongly implied that

YOU

were doing the same thing you accuse DeathSauce of doing: trying for a 1-2 mislynch.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I think one of vampyrusdog and ChocolateAttack is DS's scumbuddy. TylerJ is a possibility, where has he been?

If it wasn't painfully obvious thinktank was telling the truth, DeathSauce just confirmed he was scum with that ridiculous comment about the doc protect.

[Mastermind of Sin]

You are insane, MoS. Having the balls to tell the doc who to protect is scum behavior, he is setting up his nightkill, pure and simple.

It's insane for the doc to *not* protect the cop. Are you a douchebag or had you just given up on pretending to be protown? Lolz.

Sorry, i been busy with my school and work lately. In fact, im still very busy right now, i just come to tell you guys that i need a replacement.

P.S: I scan through the thread, i see that you guys is think i might be DS's scum buddy but i am not, i leaving this game so i don't think i need an explaination. I think that MoS is scum, he was really aggressive in pushing votes and i just have a gut feeling that scum pushing for scum so you guys watch out.

If you were an experienced enough player to know that I'm really aggressive (see: Mini 458, where I aggressively pushed votes all of Day 1 and uncovered all three scum that day), I would think something was wrong. But this just looks like you don't know what you're talking about instead of being scum.

However, I find it really suspicious that neither Andycyca or Chocolate Attack have voted DeathSauce yet, especially with a cop result on him. Whereas it's pretty clear I just forgot to move my vote (see my comment about DS's scumbuddies), they don't have the same excuse.

Unvote, Vote: DeathSauce

Glad to know I was right about you on Day 1, but JDodge was being too much of a douchebag, and douchebaggery throws off my scumdar. Let this be a lesson to anyone who decides to be a douchebag as town.

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[Mastermind of Sin]

Ok cop, who's the scum? If you have an innocent, tell us but don't reveal who it is. At this point, we can break the game wide open. With a doc and a cop alive, we can no lynch and have the cop investigate people without telling us his targets, while the doc protects the cop and the mafia kill off suspects for us. We either find the scum or win through process of elimination. Even if the mafia hit the doc, the cop can reveal his results the next day, and we'll have plenty of new information without shortening our chances of winning by lynching. Also, the doc needs to protect the cop every night. No lame-ass WIFOM. Keep it up.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I think andy and ibby are the most likely scum, followed by Setael and Tyler J. Just my opinion.

Vote: No Lynch

[Mastermind of Sin]

Man, why me?

[Mastermind of Sin]

DeathSauce, your attempt to link to thinktank was pretty transparent, dude. No one was going to believe that petty of an attempt.