Mini 497 - Game Over

[Atticus]

Vote: Atticus

Because Gaius Balter is an annoying weasel.

Regardless of the fact that you moved your vote to Sephiroth, ( who is cooler than he is evil ) I still need to

OMGUS vote: destructor.

[Atticus]

If dusterhan was truly aiming to get a reaction, he done good.

[Atticus]

FoS's are pointy. Don't just throw them around like that. You could hurt

Somebody

! You could hurt... yourself.

[Atticus]

I voted Sephiroth cos everyone was voting and i was just going with the flow... or was i?

You were.

[Atticus]

I don't know if this type of character cxan exist in a mini normal, but I have seen a character called the Jester or something like it, I think. And his win condition is to have the town lynch him. I doubt dusterhan is a jester, that doesn't seem to be likely in a mini normal. But his playing has been odd. None of his posts have been clear in any way, almost every one has some sort of enigma in it. He plays almost like he's trying to get us to believe he is scum or something, which, even if he is town, is extremely unhelpful to the town as a whole.

We shouldn't be speculating roles this early in the game.

[Atticus]

[quote="Atticus']But mod! It's so much funner to look at people's bad tags and laugh at them![/quote]

-Mod Edit- Hey, you're right!

[Atticus]

On Random Votes:

The point of random votes is to gain early vibes and suspicions of people. To give a truly random vote, say from random.org, you can get no reaction from the votee, and thus, no vibe or suspicion. To give a reason for a random vote is fueling this activity, increasing its productivity. To truly suspect someone for a random vote, random FoS, or random vote reason, is degrading to the information process. To

react

to the such things, however, helps the town.

[Atticus]

Heehee, Sephiroth's second quote box says Elias.

[Atticus]

What major issues?

[Atticus]

Dusterhan: I'm in another game with him right now, where his opening post was unhelpful and caused general confusion. I'm ignoring him.

TinVision: See my rather previous post on Random votes. I don't mind anything he did, I see it as having been in the random stage.

[Atticus]

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@Atticus: So do you think that my and destructor's actions are unwarranted?

As newbs, no. Being suspicious of someone for contradicting themselves is something anyone would do. In the early stages of the game though, I barely pay attention. The actions of most people in those first few pages are frivolous and carefree.

[Atticus]

Sorry for not being able to post yesterday. Marching band, cancel, practice, ice cream, all that shiz.

[Atticus]

Knuck, I don't suggest that you exclude all information from day one and the random stage.

I

quite simply do not give as much thought to scum tells in that period of the game. And I thought some people were overreacting to TinVision. And I thought I'd tell them to chill.

Hey, Nirp, are you scum, or just opportunistic?

[Atticus]

Duster seems to think that game days should take no longer than 8 pages. I'd love to have him replaced, but I'm really not caring about him right now.

Not liking kabenon's vote on duster. But then, if I were dependent on duster posting, I might have voted him too.

[Atticus]

Me? Suspicious of kabenon. The vote on duster strikes me as something that scum would do when they're impatient with a townie. They would love for a town to bury themselves by saying something stupid. If duster never posts, things aren't going well, a new target is needed.

[Atticus]

I just talked myself into an

FoS: kabenon.

[Atticus]

Dusterhan: I want you to start posting.

Who are you suspicious of?
What posts strike you as odd?
Why are you being a

n

idiot

lurker?
Is there some real life complication that you have that stops you from having an opinion?

Why did joost hop on an N-L vote? The reasoning Aimee gave for voting the latter was weak, in my opinion, simply that he was barely posting any content. However, that joost went to it, and backed off right after N-L asked for a replacement is odd, to me.

[Atticus]

Optimistic. Okay.

[Atticus]

Dusterhan is such an interesting character. Near silent. Not useful. Defensive. Seems to think that even when the conversation is about him, he should pay as little attention as possible.

Aimee. You say that it's because he wasn't scum-hunting. Would you say that Nekka was posting much content?

[Atticus]

Happy Birthday TV!

[Atticus]

Always remember, kab, statements kill.

My vote on dusterhan is a statement, in a way.

[Atticus]

Votes kill. If a statement is a vote. Statements kill.

[Atticus]

Votes kill. If a statement is a vote. Statements kill.

Would you mind if Duster got killed?

No.

[Atticus]

...

Who are you suspicious of?

What posts strike you as odd?

Why are you being a

n

idiot

lurker?

Is there some real life complication that you have that stops you from having an opinion?

...

These are some questions I posted earlier for you, Dusterhan, feel free to answer.

[Atticus]

Dusterhan... Tsk tsk tsk... You need to stop volunteering for things you can't do. Examples: answering questions, playing the game mafia.

[Atticus]

Did I miscount? I thought there were four...

[Atticus]

Ah, I was using that as a way to separate the questions, make it easier to read.

[Atticus]

I would love to lynch dusterhan once he posts simply because he infuriates me so, but I really can't come to any conclusions when he's bluntly avoiding questions and... the game.

[Atticus]

MOD:

Getting a vote count eventually would be hella nice.

I have no idea who I'm voting, but I know who I will vote.

Unvote, Vote: Knuck.

Why? Well, with only 8 posts in the game (less than one per page) he his hard to get a solid read on, but I have found something I'm curious about.

Within 3 posts he changes his position on duster completely.

Post 162: Calls kabenon scum for trying to pick off a helpless townie, duster.

(large amount of space here, but mostly it is just the town coming to the conclusion that duster will

not

help the town)

Post 215: Unvotes kabenon, is not sure whether to lynch duster or not.

Post 222: Votes dusterhan, because he says it will garner information. (I don't believe this is true because there is relatively no one that can be connected to duster)

As I see it, these small moves could possibly indicate a Knuck-duster scum relationship. It's not much, but I'm curious as to what you have to say, Knuck.

[Atticus]

Unvote

I like that response.

[Atticus]

As an FYI, our mod hasn't posted anywhere since the 14th.

[Atticus]

Hrm! I was curious as to whether this game would live or not, but we've got a lively group.

There's no reason to why he's purposely lurking and not actually getting involved

Getting involved is how we catch scum. Not just sitting back, watching the game from a distance, hoping you find something!!!

After voting dusterhan, Nekka says this, which is an interesting thing to accuse someone for, in his position.

[Atticus]

You have to remember, Atticus, Nekka asked to be replaced. He just was checking in and saw he hadn't been replaced, so he decided to help a bit until Cavane found one.

True.

[Atticus]

Mmmm... Eggs.
To TV: Is there a reason you posted that short player analysis? There wasn't much to read there except that you would FoS Knuck.

[Atticus]

...

This strikes me as very leading and it wasn't till Sepiroth's quote and mistake that there were only 2 questions that it really hit me, the bolded questions stand out much more than the underlined ones in the quote of his own satement, and both of them offer Dusterhan a way out:

the first says start posting some content which looks like your town.
the second says bow out so someone else can take your place

Both of which lead me to believe this is a coded message between scum buddies saying stop letting the side down, either shape up or bow out

FOS: Atticus, dusterhan

But when Sephiroth said there were only two questions, why would I have contradicted it? Should I not have wanted to leave it at that and offer my "scumbuddy" the best chance of catching my "secret meaning?" You'll notice in the original post that there was no separation. I'm assuming that he has a tiny brain and needs some sort of division between his thinking.

Habby birthday.

[Atticus]

The case destructor makes on TV is interesting, but I don't think it's anything I'd be voting on anytime soon.

[Atticus]

I plan on making a P_layerBP_layerA soon, but my time on weekends is always limited.

[Atticus]

...

The case destructor makes on TV is interesting, but I don't think it's anything I'd be voting on anytime soon.

Fos: Atticus

Translation: "I shall sit here for a while, and when the bandwagon grows I can hop on."

...

Well you see, now you'll never know if I'll hop on it.

Planning to check out kabenon or TV after I do a couple of real life things.

[Atticus]

Ugh! I can't get a read on anybody! 'Tis frustrating! I've still got nothing for you guys.

[Atticus]

...

unvote, vote: Atticus

Try again?

'Tis what I'm trying to do...

1. Why my case on TinVision is interesting, and
2. Why you won't vote for him?

1. Not interesting so much as... not boring, because it got a response.
2. Because I don't think he's scummy. Ech, not yet at least.

...
Also, atticus, how is this:

Ugh! I can't get a read on anybody! 'Tis frustrating! I've still got nothing for you guys.

different from this:

i've got no idea who could be mafia... so, lets leave me alone and discuss who else could be a scum

which warranted this?

Dusterhan... Tsk tsk tsk... You need to stop volunteering for things you can't do. Examples: answering questions, playing the game mafia.

While dusterhan's post implies that he would leave it up to the others to find mafia, mine says, "Hey, I'm sorry because even though I promised to start looking at players, I've failed to get anything I find conclusive."

I do apologize for stirring a false lead with that post, it was simply if anyone was wondering as to whether or not Atticus was ever going to do that analysis. Also, not to OMGUS or anything, but I find it interesting that Aimee would change her vote based on that simple post, without putting so much reason behind it as joost did for a mere FoS.

[Atticus]

...

You are quite clearly lurking in plain sight. Please provide some content.

I guess that counts as a reason.

Shanba - brings interesting points, and I think most of them are agreeable. Though he justifies some of his suspicions based on single things, which I do not like.

On the Sephiroth issue, I've never found him particularly scummy. Everything he does seems reasonable.

While I do not have time to read through people I find suspicious right now, I will by the end of the weekend.

[Atticus]

If needed

Unvote, vote: vampyrusddg

.

Who did he replace? Nekka-Lucifer.

Why do I suspect him?
A) NL only made roughly 2 posts worth of contentful information. While in that stage of the game I was not much better, I admit, I do find this suspicious. Also, he makes a post asking for someone to explain why dusterhan is under suspicion. When asked about it, he explained that he didn't find dh scummy. Later votes dusterhan with little explanation.

B) Vampyrusdog's outrageous post being suspicious of me and dusterhan. In it, he claims that I sent him 2 questions (no four) which asked him for things that gave him a cop-out. This depends on us both being scum and me using a clever tactic to get a dumb person to answer in the correct way. Is away for awhile. FoS's Sephiroth for suspecting kabenon.

Vampyrusddg seems noncommittal. N-L seemed absent. Not much to read, but what there is to read seems scummy.

[Atticus]

I have not quite finished reading all the posts, I was not on yesterday.

However, after reading through page fifteen, I want to lynch CKD for being a total jackass.

[Atticus]

Eh, I didn't say being a jerk made you scummy. That's just one of the things I am constantly tempted to throttle people for.

[Atticus]

- CKD's attempt to "discredit" Sephiroth by withholding information from him.
- CKD's appeal to emotion. I have not brought this up before but I agree with Kabenon and Seph on this.Townies should attack on arguments not on feelings.
- "ok if I am hung, and I come up town" We will see that when your dead, won't we? If you are hung and you come up town, I will reasses your posts. But I doubt you will.

I think this perfectly describes your jerkiness (decided to tone down language for childrens) even though I believe joost used it for another reason.

[Atticus]

Caught up on reading. Assuming one of Sephiroth/CKD is scum, I'd go with CKD.

[Atticus]

Meh, if you want something more, I'll find something that Sephiroth hasn't used on you.

[Atticus]

I do not necessarily feel that one of you is scum.

But under the assumption that one of you is, I would pick CKD. I am not voting him however, because I do not fully believe this is true.

[Atticus]

If needed

Unvote, vote: vampyrusddg

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Who did he replace? Nekka-Lucifer.

Why do I suspect him?
A) NL only made roughly 2 posts worth of contentful information. While in that stage of the game I was not much better, I admit, I do find this suspicious. Also, he makes a post asking for someone to explain why dusterhan is under suspicion. When asked about it, he explained that he didn't find dh scummy. Later votes dusterhan with little explanation.

B) Vampyrusdog's outrageous post being suspicious of me and dusterhan. In it, he claims that I sent him 2 questions (no four) which asked him for things that gave him a cop-out. This depends on us both being scum and me using a clever tactic to get a dumb person to answer in the correct way. Is away for awhile. FoS's Sephiroth for suspecting kabenon.

Vampyrusddg seems noncommittal. N-L seemed absent. Not much to read, but what there is to read seems scummy.

First, I would like vampyrusddg to answer these questions I posed to him earlier.

Fair enough. But I would still like some actual analysis from you.

I can do that.

[Atticus]

Oops, I said questions. Like I'm supposed to know what I wrote. [/sarcasm] Regardless I want vampyrusddg to address the suspicions I have laid on him. Further analysis of current going-on will come probably tomorrow. I'm out tonight.

[Atticus]

No one noticing makes it flimsy?

Working on analysing CKD to see if he is worthy of a vote, but I'm hella tired.

[Atticus]

After a (thorough) skim, I'm finding nothing to conclude that CKD is scummy. I just don't like the way he's playing the game. I think that in his argument with Sephiroth he is one who sticks to his guns (appeals to emotion) regardless of whether they're effective, but I don't see anything voteworthy. I don't trust myself to do much else at the moment.

[Atticus]

Well sure, me not being on a lynching town wagon is a plus, but town creds have never really worked out for me. Who is scummy? I'd still vampyrus is. Is he on your wagon?

[Atticus]

Not when I was typing that. But he's not.

[Atticus]

Because vampyrus has never voted.

[Atticus]

Ah, I was just skimming.

[Atticus]

Mighta worked.

[Atticus]

Explain what makes me anti-town, destructor. After your read, that is.

[Atticus]

Not necessary. Your scumbuddy is plenty good at bringing up reasons for suspecting people.

[Atticus]

Post 79.

On Random Votes:

The point of random votes is to gain early vibes and suspicions of people. To give a truly random vote, say from random.org, you can get no reaction from the votee, and thus, no vibe or suspicion. To give a reason for a random vote is fueling this activity, increasing its productivity. To truly suspect someone for a random vote, random FoS, or random vote reason, is degrading to the information process. To

react

to the such things, however, helps the town.

I was having a skim of some of the early pages and this post stuck out to me. It makes no sense. How on earth can a player of the uninformed majority ever claim to give a 'reason' to a random vote that can be considered even slightly legitimate and so 'increase its productivity'?

The sentiment behind this post resembles TinVision's reasoning back here (280):

Not much pressure can hope to be applied, but at the beginning of the game, you take what you can get. As to your second question, it's not necessarily better. However, it's a part of an early game strategy to maximize that pressure. People pretty much ignore the first vote completely. The second vote however, as we can see clearly in this game, can get people riled. If a scum gets a vote stuck on them early that they can't be sure is random, it may shake them and lose their composure, revealing something to the town.

HOS: Atticus

Until I finish reading, my vote on Tin stands.

So you think that because I, in a way, try and enforce TV's ways, that I am above the finger of suspicion level?

[Atticus]

Aimee, when did you become almost as bad as me?

[Atticus]

Please excuse me for my lack of post. I haven't seen much to comment on, so I've been trying to just see if I can find anything conclusive on CKD or Sephiroth. Neither are giving back strong results as of yet.

[Atticus]

Random Vote: Sephiroth

Everyone knows that he's evil!!

I guess this was the truth then.
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Discussion lagging to an extent, last post by someone who isn't CKD or Elias was Friday. I'd like to start a case on Aimee based solely (read: sort of) on the fact that she's being a tad (read: totally) hypocritical. I'll get started on that tomorrow. Otherwise, waiting on something to actually happen.

[Atticus]

AIMEE:

Posts:
Post0: Random Vote
Post1: Believes a jester is unlikely (disagreement with kabenon)
Post2: Curious as to why Sephiroth is so defensive, believes Knuck is exaggerating on the dusterhan issue.
Post3: Believes Sephiroth is scummy, agrees with kabenon that dusterhan is mostly just unhelpful.
Post4: Believes Sephiroth is contradicting himself, FoS's me for not actually commenting on game issues.
Post5: Sees Sephiroth's point, playfully annoyed at me.
Post6: Knows she is neglecting game.
Post7: Analysis of everyone, suspicious of TV, N-L, kab, and me.
Post8: Hates on dusterhan. But that's generally accepted at this point.
Post9: Believes Town should focus not on dusterhan, clarifies that she is not suspicious of Sephiroth.
Post10: Expresses that she is suspicious of me, will check out dusterhan's other games, and that her case on N-L was not what I said.
Post11: Happy Birthday Frenchways.
Post12: Limited access warning.
Post13: Can't post.
Post14: Promises to post tomorrow.
Post15: Asks me what my latest post contributes. Asks OF why he finds me not scummy.
Post16: Further bitching towards me.
Post17: More of the above.
Post18: Prods herself, promises to try to read CKD.
Post19: Confirms her vote on me, refuses t post content due to Real Life issues.
Post20: Apologizes for absence confirms pushes Atticus lynch.
Post21: Lost, when it comes to kabenon's opinions of CKD/Seph.
Post22: Happy birthday, Votes kab, insists that Atticus is scum.
Post23: No access claim.

Opinions:
Seriously, what the hell? I had started this on Tuesday, expecting to take a while, but her hypocrisy and lack of post are more severe than I recall. Her lack of content is not only in the last half of her post, but she has been hypocritical throughout. She has yet to explain why she has voted for me, and more recently kabenon, and she rarely keeps up with her deadlines. Whether she truly has such severely limited access or not, I'm appalled that she voted for me based on lack of content for so long. It is rare that she posted her own opinions (even early in the game), but she insists that I am scum for it. I was hoping for her to make a post, seeing as she had implied the ability to post by Monday, but her votes have gone unexplained. Her lack of content coupled with her hypocrisy make her scummy in my eyes, so

Unvote, Vote:

Aimee.

[Atticus]

Probably could have waited to post those findings. Would have been more effective If there had been one explosive post at the end (still hoping for it) and not during the whole Sephiroth/karmadog aftermath.

[Atticus]

FL

I am the current vote leader...your vote is on me (from vamp) care to comment?

Vampyrusddg actually never voted. Nekka-Lucifer voted dusterhan. So that vote on you is officially questionable.

Reading over recent posts.

[Atticus]

About Tin and Atticus, no, I'm not

trying

to link them to you, given that the link already exists by virtue of posts. Two of the players I find most suspicious, who are very inactive, both manage a post to express agreement with you. Of course I'm going to bring this up.

Wait, why are you suspicious of

me?

I know you've expressed your suspicions on TV, but I've either missed your post(s) about me or you've yet to explain.

Also for destructor, you're making cases based on links to people that you don't know are scum (unless you're scum). On Day One I have a hard time following links that are made between people, unless it's a simple, "I could see so-and-so and such-a-such as scumbuddies," but for you to make these elaborate chains of people you don't know are scum relating to someone else you don't know is scum is something I find quite preposterous.

Seeing as no one has taken a hint from my post and my poor explanations, I will

unvote

.

[Atticus]

FL

I am the current vote leader...your vote is on me (from vamp) care to comment?

Vampyrusddg actually never voted. Nekka-Lucifer voted dusterhan. So that vote on you is officially questionable.

Reading over recent posts.

not that questionable, the MOD said the vote counted in the VC

Come on, let's make some inferences due to my implications here.

Think "reasons for the vote on you."

[Atticus]

Ahh, how I love Aimee's play.

I was, as is becoming the norm recently for me, absent for the last of the day. I will reread today or tomorrow, and then come to conclusions.

[Atticus]

I guess my best move here is:
A

imee, what do you think of the suspicions that I raised against you, regardless of the fact that they were largely ignored and compiled poorly?

[Atticus]

Frankly, this game is dead. Kabenon is my top remaining suspect, as he was my second highest suspect from yesterday. Though I'll hold off on voting, I want to see where this Atticus/Aimee thing goes.

I doubt it'll go anywhere, considering that Aimee seems to have a shorter attention span than me.

[Atticus]

Will read what I have missed, which doesn't seem like a whole lot, this evening.

[Atticus]

I'm actually quite tempted to follow Flameaxe in a vote on Mizzy.

But her play reeks of overconfidence, and it is unusual to find so bold an odor in a scum player, especially one of such newbness. I think her reasoning is horrible, but I'd have to do a fact check to see what she got right.

My wait is mainly on Aimee.

[Atticus]

I feel like posting.

I've been off mafia for over a week. I apologize. I recognize the looming deadline. Since I will be in school at the time it hits, I Do also apologize that I lack the information to make an informed vote before hand. Perhaps getting up early will be necessary tomorrow.

[Atticus]

I'm going to

vote: Aimee

in the hopes that kabenon's vote and whatever opinions he has will sway more to make Aimee into sway from the gallows.

[Atticus]

@ Atticus - Your main suspicion is now Aimee, to the point of you placing a vote there, in hopes that it will bandwagon into a lynch (on deadline day before it was retracted).
Now that she'll be replaced, what is your feeling? Will your vote remain? Does her status as told by Shanba change your opinion at all? Who's 2nd on your list?

My feeling is that she's probably scum, and my vote will probably be retracted if her replacements any townier. My status as told by Shanba does not change my opinion at all. Second on my list is an open spot.

[Atticus]

Shanba says that Aimee hasn't had time for mafia

recently

. This may or may not be accurate, but it's what I'm basing my keeping vote on her off of. I consider recent on mafiascum as possibly a month in real time. It's been longer than that since she's posted any real content.

While I can admit to not being the best contributor at or to anything, I'm not that bad.

[Atticus]

A FULL reread of this game is probably necessary for me to base any suspicions besides Aimee and gut feelings. I will be making plenty of time for that tomorrow and through the weekend. Sorry for being lamez.

[Atticus]

I'm here.
I know I'm an asshole.
Will read as much as I can manage tonight.
I'm not avoiding Mafiascum any longer.

[Atticus]

Reading through a tad more, (Yes, Reading hard, I slow.) I'm thinking that my vote on Aimee (Dean Harper) was probably not well placed. It was the only thing I had to go on though. Her lurking so much does not seem like something scum would do, especially paired with the massive amounts of hypocrisy. (reverse Logic? dunno)

But she was the cop. And now this makes sense!

Mizzy (around pages 31-32) interests me. But I don't think she's scum. I think the way she plays is a bit naive, (what the heck is a code for an umlaut?) and that she cuts flameaxe way too much slack.

(started skimming after that end of day part)

Okay. I'm done being off the site. I'm here (to help.)

Reading through all this information, I'll have to do some little spotreading to get some facts straight, and I'll have to think this over.

A (hopefully) conclusive post cometh (from me) tomorrow.

[Atticus]

I suck at drawing conclusions. Needs more spot checking...

[Atticus]

Reading kabenon is dificult, considering that for the most of the game he seemed concentrated on Aimee who is dead and a cop... so I'll just post my opinions of people for now. Going down the order as on the first post.

Mispeled - His predecessors were largely absent, and he's not said much yet. But I actually found vamp a little suspicious, and I might go with a final conclusion of... Kind of scummy.

Flameaxe - Umm, all he's done is be an asshat. But SilverPhoenix played well, but not much, and I'd go with probably more town at this point.

SeraphicMirth - Both her and her predecessor are talkative, and my conclusion on her is actually more scum than town. Joost always placed kab as a possible scum, but never seemed to really want to place much suspicions on him.

Mizzy - I think she's strange but not particularly scummy, but she claims that she is indeed experienced, which confuses me, based on the strangeness of her playstyle so far. I'd say more likely town than scum.

Sephiroth - Plays forcefully, but I don't know how many scum would fight so unstoppingly with a townie so early in the game.

Shanba - scumhunts well, no read either way.

-TinVision- - It seems the only reason he was ever suspected was for his "crazy" random votes. Which I didn't think were that crazy.

[Atticus]

Not you, joost. Joost always seemed to keep a careful distance from kab, but never seemed to place direct suspicion on him. You, however, appear perfectly town, so I remain indecisive. Decisions are, cripplingly, one of my weak points.

[Atticus]

Atticus: What did you think of my case on mispeled?

Actually, after a look, that seems to agree with my opinions of Mispeled, whether I found thought it through fully or not. I would vote on that, because it seems like a good possibility, but I don't want to put him at -1.

[Atticus]

Much sighs, Mispeled. That last post makes me think you are scummier.

Vote: Mispeled

[Atticus]

Ah, we're back. I'll check in on this later. We lost internet for a little bit yesterday, and I didn't check before then.

[Atticus]

No-lynch makes the most sense.

Vote: No-Lynch

I'm also in favor of a mass-claim. I'd be happy to start us off.

[Atticus]

Wow, forgot to bold.

Vote: No-Lynch

[Atticus]

Free as a butterfly...