Mini 480 - Boring Town Mafia *GAME OVER*

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Hi, I'm replacing in, I'll do a read and post shortly.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

OK.
1: I believe the mason claim, however, if not for it, I would consider LFR scummy, because he threw himself all around. Litterally, it seemed like between his large posts, he had called out half the players as scummy based on single posts.
2: Hand banana is a horrible player. I don't know what he was doing.
3: I did a quick read, and people kept mentioning questions to banana that were unanswered. I'd like somebody to point them out so that I can answer them
4: As for who I find scummy, I don't like how luna is playing. She hasn't said much, and what she said wasn't really good.
5: I inherently want to believe the masonry, but another possibility is that they are scum claiming mason. I don't necessarily believe this, but it is a chance that should be remembered, that the masons aren't perfectly cleared. There may not be a real masonry in the game. I don't know much about setups here. I'm not sure about this, but we shouldn't just let those 2 slide through.
6: Anything more, just ask!

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

FLOC doesn't impress me. Let's kill him.

WHAT?
I'll look up the questions later.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I didn't say that I accepted it 100%, I said that I was inclined to believee it.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I hate it when newbie scum flakes. >:[

?

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I was asking who he was talking about, and what he meant. Also, isn't the deadline like nearly a week away, with the possibility of another extension, giving us plenty of time to talk? There isn't much that I can say.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

most people read as neutral / town to me, with the masons as town. I don't think that anyone is really most scummy. I don't like how luna posts very infrequently with little content, same with Daxam. They seem scummiest to me.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I agree that fosing masons is scummy, but I don't think that it's enough to lynch, or even vote for. however, I will

Fos IH

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

here.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Very good case; Due to his not posting, I'd kind of forgotten about him. I certainly agree with the points you've made.

Vote Daxam

. As for claiming...I'd rather not.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

sighs. Alright guys, you outed me, both for my bad play and my predecessor's. I'm the doctor.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Oap, haven't gotten around to posting. fyi, I protected simenon. I chose him because he was a mason who is an experienced town player. I agree that votes piled on Daxam far too fast, but we were on deadline...however, still, I think that we should look at those who piledrived the lynch. Let's look into them.[/table]

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I agree that FL is pretty scumtastic.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

why do you doubt my claim? I also think that FL is scummier than HC, but that's my gut. I don't know how I can clear myself w/o a vig.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I've read it all again. Going in, I was looking at Yagami and FaerieLord; going out, I'm not really wiser than before. (Yagami is the only one still casting doubt on the masons, but I can't decide if that's protown or not.)

At least I've decided that I don't believe the doc claim. FLOC would have been lynched D1 if not for this claim, so I guess that's still my position. Lynching him would be a gamble, but his (and Banana's) posts are enough for me, so

vote: Faeren Lord Of Carlisle

again.

I have only one question after my reread:

Post 181- yagamilight looks townie in this post, but has seemed a little sketch in others. I believe that him and Daxam are on different sides; one is scum, the other is town.

Do you still stand by this? I didn't see it explained why you think they are on opposing sides.

Do you guys really want to lose our doctor? Especially waste a lynch on him? Crazy I say, crazy.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Honestly samruc, you're the scummiest guy in my eyes right now. Your only suspect is me, and you're the only one. You don't believe me, because of your mysterious "reread", and you post no evidence that I'm lying, because there is none. sir, I am NOT lying. I think that you pushing me is actually pretty scummy, and no this isn't omgus. This is you really pushing the ddoc here.

Vote Samruc

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[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Woah, I had forgotten nano was playing. I agreee with your conclusion Simenon. I agree that his non-committal and total non-content is scummy. In short, I forgot Nano existed. His content has been scummy -> non-existant, so I'm going to go ahead and

Vote nanosaurumo.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

That was horrible haschel. Never do that again, or I'll bandwagon you to a lynch for that.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I agree with lynching nanoscum.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

unvote, vote FL

-I did a reread, and agree with the case on him.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Fl, that last post was rediculous. You're at -1, and instead of defending yourself, you post some bs about...nothing. A non-content post does not a defense make.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I protected the cop. Who did you investigate Nano?

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

good job setael! I want to congratulate you on your awesome vig choice.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

samruc, you seem to be thinking as scum quite a lot here, and rather convincingly.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

the problem with setael's plan is that Nano could do some bizarre thing like your example, then claim that whatever code he used shows he planned to investigate who turns up dead. For example, setael's code, nobody could know but the person who posted it. Like this "code" qwertyuioplkjhgfdsazxcvbnmmnbvcxzasdfghjklpoiuytrewq"->repeat ad nauseum will have the name of everyone in it. Or, if he uses numbers, many different meanings can be inferred from numbers, and he could just adjust what he claims it said depending on who's killed.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I'd say that it's possible, but patently rediculous of the mod to do that. It's a nice trick, and really swingy. I'd believe it this game though, considering that I'm still here.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I suggest that I be investigated tonight.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I have no reason to not believe nano. I want to be investigated, because that will end the controversy over whether I'm scum.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Why doesn't nano just confirm me tonight?

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

well, my issue with you is that all your logic revolves around you beeing town. If we look at your posts w/o the assumption that you're town, though not necessarily assuming you to be scum, all your arguments are like "uh, lynch somebody else who isn't confirmed or maybe we should lynch a doc or a cop." Your last post was just pointing out how a lot of things were just wifom. Except, you didn't mention that one of the most wifomy things was wifom, and instead used it as the cornerstone of your case on me; my continued existence. You claim that I'm scum because the scum would've killed me by now if I weren't scum, which leads to you saying I'm scummy->I should be lynched. That's highly wifom, cuz the scum could just not be killing me so that the town could be tricked into lynching me. You want me dead cuz I'm alive, and that logic is wifomy at best.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

that seems like a game-mod faux-pas if I've ever seen one. But yeah, that does reek of "hey guys, somebodies lyin' bout their claim!"

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I think that it is samruc and yagami, because I believe, or at least really want to believe nano. Also, bookitty seems really town to me. I'm really happy with boos play.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

should I drop the hammer?

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Vote YagamiLight

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I think that bookitty has posted some very sound logic, and I don't see any flaws, except that if nobody's lying, bookitty's the only possible scum barring a GF.
We know that pete d is town.
If we believe nano, he's town.
I'm town.
Samruc may be the godfather.
We have no info on boo.
So it comes down to whether we believe nano that he's the cop or that samruc isn't the GF.
Some points in the favor of nano being town, and pete d being scum.
Nano could be naive. As has been said, the town has a 1-shot vig, an rb, a doc, masons, and a cop. If the cop was naive, it would make it more balanced.
On the idea of the game's balance, it could also be that the remaining scum is a godfather. This is also possible considering the town's strength.
Bookitty is so townish, that for me it comes down to either nano lying, or samruc being gf. I'm not sure which right now, I'll do a reread.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

in the line where I say "Some points in the favor of nano being town, and pete d being scum" pete d should read "samruc" it is clear from the following lines, but just to be sure, that should be samruc.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I protected pete/tcs last night, as he's the only truly confirmed person. For me, today we either lynch boo or samruc. I'm inclined to say boo. Here's why; everyone else has some sort of confirmation, be it the mason, the cop, the investigatee, or myself. I'm inclined to believe nano, because to claim cop after a doc, a mason pair, and a town roleblocker went down would be really dumb as scum. This would clear samruc, but there's the possibility of a gf. So then there's samruc or boo. I want to say boo, cuz if we kill boo, then we either win, or have a game of guess who's lying, which in a 3-man game is a lot easier than in a 5-man game.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

That's the flaw in my logic; how pro-town boo has been. The possibility of samruc being the gf is definately there, and I still haven't gotten around to my reread on the subject, but I think that will be of use.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I'm going to go ahead and commit to

vote samruc

. I think he's the godfather, and thus this is my only choice.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Nanosaurumo is the only logical choice left.

Vote Nano

. I just can't see boo as scum.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Forgot to say who I protected. I protected pete.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Personally, I agree with the case on nano.
TBH, your logic that I'm the scum because I requested to be investigated and hadn't protected samruc seems flimsy.
1)Ever since day 1, there has been questioning of me being town. I felt/feel that an investigation on me would clear up the convolution, and let us move on.
2)So I protected 1 of 3 people. That means that scum have a 2/3 chance of hitting who they want. I don't think that this is incriminating to me.

unvote

A no-lynch has no risk, so I could go along with it.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I understand. I want to see what Pete has to say about this. I am ok with either no-lynch or lynching nano. Pete is really the deciding factor here.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I'm pretty sure that you're town for the same reason anybody would assume an uncleared is town-because they do pro-town things. You haven't done scummy stuff, and consistently do townie stuff, so I'm more likely to think somebody else is scum.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Should we no-lynch then, or should we lynch nano? I support the second possibility.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Also, if we no-lynch, then we find out whether or not boo is scum. So no-lynching may be right.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I'm a very indecisive player. As such, I was laying out all the options, so that better players than I can decide which course of action would be best. I personally want to lynch nano. But I need 2 other people to agree with me for action to happen. It's a draw if nothing happens. So, If the only way action is to happen, I'll have to compromise with 2 other people.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

2 days without posts makes me a sad panda.

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

I obviously disagree with this case. I'll side with nano here. You're the only uncleared, I don't care how town you are.

vote bookitty

[Faeren Lord of Carlisle]

Bah. I was indeed scum. I was screwed over by handbannana. We were doing great until haschel got vigged, then his connections to yagami ####ed him over.
Meh, I didn't play well though.