Open 41-Quicklynch Nightless GAME OVER!, before 492

[Estes]

Hey guys. Just caught up. At the moment I consider Gatorguy suspicious; just a hunch really.

[Estes]

My thoughts,

After reading again, I agree with DeathSauce that IH could possibly be scum; the stuff with Khel doesn't help him. Gatorguy has been pretty quiet, I'd like to see his thoughts on stuff. I also wonder some about groinhammer. He seems like a mafia member trying to play townie leader. I could be completely wrong though.

[Estes]

I don't like this post at all.

1) You attack Gatorguy for lurking. Whilst I agree that he is lurking, let me point out that your predecessor had posted even less than he has.

I can't help what my predecessor did.

2) You accuse groinhammer of being a mafia member trying to lead the town without any explanations at all, but at the same time, you say you could be mistaken about it. How pointless is that? I think you are just throwing accusations wildly and trying to cover your back if there is a mislynch.

I didn't accuse him of being anything, I said he might be mafia. I've played with a ton of guys who use the "townie leader" role to hide their true identity. I said "I could be wrong" because, I might be. I might be, what's so hard to understand about that?

I actually was "just throwing accusations wildly" as a way to bump this thread(it was almost at the bottom), without just typing "bump". I care about this game.

[Estes]

Ah, yes. But, you should then realize that lurking isn't a exact scum tell.

I didn't say it was. Go back and re-read my post. I said Gatorguy had been quiet, not that he was mafia. I merely wanted to see what his thoughts on the game are. What's wrong with that?

[Estes]

Hmm, it seems scmp being a crappy player is going to be my undoing. I hate he wasn't a helpful townie, I'm trying to be better than he apparently was.

[Estes]

Also, I have a game to coach tonight so I won't be back until tomorrow around 9 AM to post at the earliest.

[Estes]

Vote: Gatorguy91

Just trying to see if we can get some discussion going.

[Estes]

I just knew you would do that. List a reason so we can have something to discuss.

[Estes]

I just knew you would do that. List a reason so we can have something to discuss.

Seriously Sir Tornado. Earlier(top of last page) you said I was suspicious because I never gave a concrete stand against anyone. Then I do(by voting for Gatorguy) and you instantly vote me without a word said. Your words seem to contradict your actions.

[Estes]

Controdict? Estes, that sounds like a trap, honestly.

Why did you misspell contradict? What sounds like a trap? Please explain.

[Estes]

And, you still haven't taken any sort of concrete stand. You haven't actually explained your reasons behind your Gator vote.

Mainly for this post:

HATE, HATE, HATE. IH should be today's lynch.

It happened to come right after Khelvaster was lynched. He never voted one way or the other - lurked - and posted right after the death of yet another townie.

Sounds like a mafia member trying to appear townie by acting disgusted at the choice when all he had to do was vote IH himself lynch him. Why didn't he? Because he's IH's mafia pal? Looks to me like he's trying to distance himself from IH but not kill him.

[Estes]

I'm not lurking, just plain inactivity ;-p

Sorry.

Would you like to reply to Estes' accusations against you?

Yeah Gator, 'cause that would be great.

[Estes]

I've been very busy at home, I'll try to post something meaningful on Friday morning.

[Estes]

Speaking of that...

Sorry I haven't posted more lately(although nobody really has). I've been very busy at home.

[Estes]

Unvote

I see my vote was on Zodiac, I want to see how he posts before making a decision on him. I only voted Gatorguy(who he replaced) to try and spark discussion.

[Estes]

I'm torn between Paradoxombie and Streeflo at the moment. They both have good cases for and against them. I would like to see some more evidence by the ones voting for them before making a decision one way or the other.

[Estes]

mod: can we get a prod on Estes, he hasn't posted anything since the 10th

I've been reading everyday, I just haven't felt the need to post.

And, with you always bothering me, and your voting pattern, I've decided you're acting a lot more scummy than Streeflo, so...

vote: Paradoxombie

I realize being wrong will make me appear mafia and can live with those consequences.

[Estes]

It's a little bit of a weird situation b/c we hear nothing fromm Estes for 8 days, prod him & he hammers! I felt like we were at the start of this game again! I dislike

I actually was never prodded. I check the thread that day, like I've done everyday and will continue to do. I just don't post much because I don't have much to say.

[Estes]

vote: Deathsauce

He didn't vote for px and somewhat defended him(without making it look like he was doing so) in this post:

When did I say you're not "allowed" to vote px? Obviously I agree that he is giving off scummy vibes, it just seems convenient for the replacements of the player I found to be the scummiest to come in and attack the player that already has the most votes on him.

It's suspicious and I'm pointing it out, that's all.

I just have a strong suspicion.

[Estes]

There's nothing to respond to in Estes' post. True, I didn't vote for px, but I fail to see how that makes me scummy. There is no defense of px in that post, I said he was giving off scummy vibes. The rest was about Porochaz.

*shrug* I just have a really strong suspicion. And at least I provided some analysis, no matter how small it might have been.

Plus you being suspicious of JDodge. I don't really feel like he did anything to warrant a lynching. You should have just replaced him.

I'd be willing to bet you and groinhammer are the last two mafia. I was right about px afterall.

[Estes]

1st question: No.

2nd: With DS I've already said why. You on the other hand haven't really done anything for me to prove your scumminess; I just have a strong hunch. Ever just have an extremely strong suspicion that someone is scummy?

[Estes]

So Estes is voting for me because he has a "strong suspicion"

Not just that. Apparently somebody doesn't know how to read. I gave reasons; you've failed to answer them. Interjecting sarcasm and disappearing isn't helping the town.

[Estes]

I knew it. I'm 2 for 2 right now.

[Estes]

I said earlier that I thought groinhammer was the other mafia; and while my suspicion is strong enough to kill him I'm going to wait and see what others(some of the lurkers) think.

[Estes]

I'm doing a re-read. Just posting to show I'm still here.

[Estes]

I already stated why. If you care so much take some effort to go look for it.

[Estes]

Don't like estes at the moment, trying to figure out if it's just bad play that he's exhibiting or scumness.

I play the same as JDodge (so I'm told at least). Get over it.

I was also suspicious at some of the stuff Chronx posted about your reaction to DS being mafia. You acted shocked at that fact, and placed yourself in a very scummy light. Which I interpreted as scumness, but could also be bad play on your part as well.

So apparently, we both suck at this game.

Also, I'm really liking this Miztef guy at the moment. Doesn't beat around the bush like a lot of people here.

[Estes]

I dunno, you think you play the same as dodge?

I don't think that; others on here have told me that. I think I play like Estes personally.

[Estes]

So basically yr. saying that all yr. going on is a hunch????

Yeah, we already discussed this before DS died. You certainly are freaking out about this aren't you? I haven't even voted for you; chill kid.

[Estes]

Estes wait up - what did I miss in #491? You said you had already posted yr. suspicions - the reason why I care so much is b/c I want to get the last scum,

an opinon that you should share!

The fact that yr. not voting for me is immaterial at this point, no-one should be voting for anyone until we've heard from the other players. All I'm asking you to do is clarify why you said

I already stated why. If you care so much take some effort to go look for it.

when you hadn't actually said anything.

I do.

As for the rest; yes I do have a hunch you're mafia. I said before (when DS was still alive) that I was probably wrong. But I do have a hunch. Is that clarified enough or am I misunderstanding what I'm being asked?

[Estes]

I think it is safe to assume either Miztef or groinhammer is mafia at this point. GH has been warning everyone not to put down votes yet because it could cause an accidental quick-lynch and what does he do? Puts down a vote. Dang.

btw gh, how have I been inconsistent? I fail to see it (Not calling you out, I just really want to know where I've contradicted myself).

[Estes]

It's a real possibility, and I've done it before.

I'm flattered, but not that smart.

My suspects (as I've already mentioned) are GH and Miztef. I did have strong suspicions of bookitty (mostly for the confrontation me a Sir T had), but she is doing a good job of taking herself out of them at the moment.

[Estes]

EBWOP: talking not taking

[Estes]

vote: groinhammer

Where you at man?

[Estes]

Just remembered he said he would be gone from the 14th-19th. Ryan, are there plans to replace him?

[Estes]

Personally I say we just kill him. I think he's the remaining mafia member anyway. DS was very positive on him being down in his breakdown on page 8. I think it was distancing personally.

[Estes]

I hope we're right...

[Estes]

Well it looks like ryan might not be back till the 18th (see his sig). I guess we'll have to wait on the verdict.

[Estes]

Crap. I'm sorry town.

[Estes]

Right now I want to vote Miztef, but I'll give him one last post to plead his case.

btw ryan, you may want to prod everyone just to let them know you're back

[Estes]

I've had Streeflo pegged as town this entire time, and me and Sir T (now Bookitty) had a spat earlier that made me feel he was scum. But, Streeflo's quick lynch has me wondering now. Let me reread the thread and look again.

[Estes]

If you turn up town, I'd absolutely vote for Bookitty next for the case you have presented. In fact, I would vote for her now if my nagging gut didnt keep pointing at you. =[

^ This, plus some earlier confrontations with Sir T (Bookitty) I feel she is scum.

vote: Bookitty

[Estes]

EBWOP:

When I said "^ This" I meant the argument Miztef presented.

[Estes]

Although Estes's play might have been a brilliant scum bus because it was later in the game, I won't be voting Estes anytime soon.

My gut leans toward Miztef right now. I like my gut. Then Bookity and by POE, groinhammer.

When I questioned him about the Estes comment, he replies:

It's a real possibility, and I've done it before.

Maybe in this very game, with Paradoxombie.

vote Streeflo

[Preview shows me that Estes is voting for me, but since I'm not scum, I wanted to get my post in before Streeflo hammers. I'm pretty sure he will, since I'm pretty sure he'll win the game by so doing, so I'm keeping my vote where it is.]

I saw that and considered it as well, but my gut is telling me it that isn't the case.

- If you really are town and we do lose, please don't hate me, hate Sir T for making you appear scummier than Streeflo -

[Estes]

Also, Streeflo if you really are mafia you've played this game brilliantly and deserve to win.

[Estes]

Good game everyone. Bookitty I thought you did very well considering Sir T left you nothing to work with.

[Estes]

You guys don't realize how close I was to switching though. She almost talked me into it. I had to leave the thread and refuse to post, so I couldn't be tempted to switch to Streeflo.