VOTE: Alisae
For starting with he letter A.
VOTE: Alisae
In post 30, Alisae wrote:Garner senpai noticed me
You have to notice someone to dislike them. But nah you are alright and oyu're fun to play with. Look I will even give you a mafia scum title.
I misspell stuff all the time. Who ever thought of that tell should be shoot.In post 80, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 70, shannon wrote:In post 55, Alisae wrote:I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;In post 52, PranaDevil wrote:LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.
vote: Alisaefor reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)
@Alisae what are the reasons?This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.
VOTE: shannon
You know you should of waited before trying to push her right. Asking questions can be protown or a scum tell depending on what they do with the answer. So instead of waiting to see what she does with it you pretty much spoiled anyway of telling if she is scum or notIn post 90, LicketyQuickety wrote:Clearly this is almost a Newbie game if people have this kind of thing to say about my analysis.
This vote feel opportunistic to me. It' hasn't got real reasoning and I feel like it's on someone he thinks will end up being a wagon.
Lol I'm his partner for trying to derail his wagon. That's the type of accusation people make when they want someone to back off them.In post 104, karnos wrote:In post 102, Garmr wrote:That being said
This vote feel opportunistic to me. It' hasn't got real reasoning and I feel like it's on someone he thinks will end up being a wagon.
VOTE: karnosSeems like you tried to guess the reasoning, and then assumed I had none afterward. Weird.In post 101, Garmr wrote:I don't think It's scummy to have flawed reasoning like Lickety had. Town can be Flawed as well.
If LQ is scum, you are the partner jumping to derail the lynch.
I wasn't scum reading him based on his logic, it was his defensiveness and over-explaining himself that pinged me.
Also, isn't an opportunistic vote usually characterized as jumping on a growing wagon?
????
Lol oh k Still kinda don't get it through.In post 114, Alisae wrote:You said you were his partner trying to derail the wagon hehe
don't mind me just a joke.
Probably a little bit of natural style and something else(not scum or early game awkwardness.).In post 138, shannon wrote:The phrasing here seems quite stilted and unnatural. Not sure whether it's natural style, early game awkwardness, or scumminess.In post 117, Garmr wrote:Lol oh k Still kinda don't get it through.In post 114, Alisae wrote:You said you were his partner trying to derail the wagon hehe
don't mind me just a joke.
I would like to hear more of your opinions through because you sheep a lot of noticed. Sheeping isn't bad as town since there are times town need to sheep. But it's always good to have some independent thought. It helps me in a variety of ways if all the players are actively posting with their own thoughts. Since I thrive in those scenarios.What do you think about XnadrojX/karnos/liquity/ through?
I kinda liked it for the most partIn post 165, shannon wrote:OK, so what did Alisae's answer (121) tell you, if anything?In post 139, Garmr wrote:Probably a little bit of natural style and something else(not scum or early game awkwardness.).In post 138, shannon wrote:The phrasing here seems quite stilted and unnatural. Not sure whether it's natural style, early game awkwardness, or scumminess.In post 117, Garmr wrote:Lol oh k Still kinda don't get it through.In post 114, Alisae wrote:You said you were his partner trying to derail the wagon hehe
don't mind me just a joke.
I would like to hear more of your opinions through because you sheep a lot of noticed. Sheeping isn't bad as town since there are times town need to sheep. But it's always good to have some independent thought. It helps me in a variety of ways if all the players are actively posting with their own thoughts. Since I thrive in those scenarios.What do you think about XnadrojX/karnos/liquity/ through?
I was a little conscious of that post through I'm kinda amazed you picked up on that. I rewrote that one like 3-4 times before I was satisfied with it. Originally it was going to be "what did you think of my case on karnos?" Instead of the highlighted section. But then it occurred to me that alisae is a player that will sheep their town reads. I didn't want to contaminate alisae's answer with my own thoughts. I wanted to see what type of answer alisae would produce and if I could get anything information on his alignment out of it.
For my two cents: I am town reading Alisae, for things like post 84. I appreciate Alisae for calling out Lickety for being so OTT in his misguided pursuit of me. I think it's generally towny to ask follow up questions like Alisae did. The suggestion that it might have all been a misunderstanding (95) seems like an attempt to get to truth and not a scummy attempt to slander.
But XJordan's response in 91 took it way too far. His counter to Lickety looked way OTT, not to mention opportunistic. I did find it ironic that he told Lickety to go back to the newbie queue, then committed the cardinal newbie sin of answering a question that was directed at someone else.
The weird bit - Alisae asked XJordan to 'wagon it' with him, and Jordan didn't do so. And Karnos voted Lickety straight after. Jordan, meanwhile sticks with his RVS vote on Alisae. Gut feel is that Jordan was afraid of looking opportunistic for voting Lickety. My vote was RVS on Jordan, but now it's serious.
Revote so it comes up in the Mod's VCA stuff:
VOTE: XJordan for serious this time
In post 266, LicketyQuickety wrote:1) I'm not talking about you giving your reasons for voting Alisae, I am talking about you giving your counter argument to what I said.In post 232, shannon wrote:@Lickety -
What opening though? My vote on her has nothing to do with you pressuring her.
I have to point out how terrible your logic is in this part:
Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment.It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments butwhen one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is.
This is just plain bad, for so many reasons:
1) I had no need to think of the Best Possible Counterargument because I'm only giving my *actual* counterargument, which is to state my actual reasons for voting Alisae.
2) Why is it scummy to avoid Appeal to Emotion? Especially when there's no emotion involved? I've played multiple games where people have made exactly the opposite claim to you; that acting emotionally is scummy because there are no good reasons to fall back on
3) It seems you know I'm telling the truth, and yet you think I should have told an emotional lie because it would have been more convincing. That is very weird to me.
Also, is there a plan for you to do anything other than 'reaction test' and then claim that whoever reacts is doing what you'd expect scum to do? That schtick is getting old, and it's less convincing each time you claim it.
2) I am not talking about giving an argument based on AtE. I am talking about arguing a point that is emotionally invested in the argument.
3) This is empty shade. You are saying I am doing something that I am not. I don't read people based on "facts" and "most compelling argument" I read people based on character. My read had nothing to do with the fact that you gave a truthful argument, after all that can be faked.
4) You say I am Scummy and say I am doing things that are "very weird to you" why no voted?
Talking about throwing empty shade and not following up on it.
Nah that seems like to me that you are just throwing shade.In post 270, LicketyQuickety wrote:I have you as Null. I was just seeing if Alisae could see that angle. If you have never seen that argument before, you are living under a rock.In post 268, Garmr wrote:In post 266, LicketyQuickety wrote:1) I'm not talking about you giving your reasons for voting Alisae, I am talking about you giving your counter argument to what I said.In post 232, shannon wrote:@Lickety -
What opening though? My vote on her has nothing to do with you pressuring her.
I have to point out how terrible your logic is in this part:
Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment.It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments butwhen one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is.
This is just plain bad, for so many reasons:
1) I had no need to think of the Best Possible Counterargument because I'm only giving my *actual* counterargument, which is to state my actual reasons for voting Alisae.
2) Why is it scummy to avoid Appeal to Emotion? Especially when there's no emotion involved? I've played multiple games where people have made exactly the opposite claim to you; that acting emotionally is scummy because there are no good reasons to fall back on
3) It seems you know I'm telling the truth, and yet you think I should have told an emotional lie because it would have been more convincing. That is very weird to me.
Also, is there a plan for you to do anything other than 'reaction test' and then claim that whoever reacts is doing what you'd expect scum to do? That schtick is getting old, and it's less convincing each time you claim it.
2) I am not talking about giving an argument based on AtE. I am talking about arguing a point that is emotionally invested in the argument.
3) This is empty shade. You are saying I am doing something that I am not. I don't read people based on "facts" and "most compelling argument" I read people based on character. My read had nothing to do with the fact that you gave a truthful argument, after all that can be faked.
4) You say I am Scummy and say I am doing things that are "very weird to you" why no voted?Talking about throwing empty shade and not following up on it.
I could easily make bull shit up saying you only said this because your scum and you know alisae is town and you want to stop the garmr town read because you're afraid of me. But I won't because using he knows cases are bad.
Talking about shade throwing. This makes alisae look bad and seems like your throwing it for the heck of it.In post 176, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 134, Lexa wrote:I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting ehIn post 133, Alisae wrote:Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.
There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.
You deserve more votes for this. Your literally trying to make yourself seem like a victim and push the blame on Jordan that's pathetic.In post 273, karnos wrote:It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and tIn post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?hen when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).
This is classic scum play. You win either way- either the guy you throw shade on gets miss-lynched, or you turn it into a wagon on someone who "opportunistically' took your scum reads at face value.
Honestly I don't understand the shift from karnos to pep and back. I haven't looked to deeply into him so guess I should. I would like some BBT posts now you reminded me.
After looking through his iso the only reason for him to pep is because of this.In post 246, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Yeah no, BBT and Pep, you need to start doing the thing where you vote. Don't be like America and not fucking vote.
<<< The beautiful thing about mafia games is that there's no age restriction on voting, either! >>>
How can it be taken that way? You haven't actually provided a case on how it could becuase I honestly don't see how it could be.In post 318, LicketyQuickety wrote:What is actually wrong with what I said? You haven't actually addressed the fact that your post CAN be taken as you knowing Alisae is Town. Why no argument there and just saying it is throwing shade?In post 307, Garmr wrote:Throwing shade Lq
It means to make someone look bad with out committing to it.
Like you literally just did the mafia scum dictionary definition of throwing shade. You say you have me as a null read but you went out your way to say "have you thought of him knowing your town" Which in my mind doesn't even make sense. Because if I was a null read why are you worried about alisae view on me. Even then my answer was about trying to get a better read on alisae by not contaminating his thoughts. Also the same argument you made can be applied with
I could easily make bull shit up saying you only said this because your scum and you know alisae is town and you want to stop the garmr town read because you're afraid of me. But I won't because using he knows cases are bad.
Talking about shade throwing. This makes alisae look bad and seems like your throwing it for the heck of it.In post 176, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 134, Lexa wrote:I see you're taking lessons in the 'annoy people until they give you what they want' school of scumhunting ehIn post 133, Alisae wrote:Yep. Piccolo taught you how to dodge pretty well Gohan.
There's a condition to my responding in full that has yet to be fulfilled that I expect to be soon. Simple as that.I agree. Alisae is just being aggressive there is really no substance there. Unfortunately people follow people like them.
Please spare me the bull shit. You literally tried to make me and alisae look bad and didn't follow up with a scum read or an investigation into it. That's amateur scum play.In post 320, LicketyQuickety wrote: And when you say I'm not committing? Please, the game days are 3 weeks long and you are giving me shit about not committing to a read balls deep after like 72 hours.
SureIn post 323, Alisae wrote:Garmr, LQ mentioned the game where he was scum and I was town earlier. Wanna look at it?
I am confused why it's relevant to this game alisae. Maybe you can tell me how so I can understand?
Ok first upIn post 327, LicketyQuickety wrote: In these three posts we see you mentioning Alisae and how they are sheeping. You mention how as Town sheeping isn't necessarily a bad thing. You then go on to say that you think it would be better if Alisae improves as a player instead of PLing them every game based on their sheeping as Town. I really find it unlikely that you are somehow saying that Alisae sheeps as a playstyle and not just as Town.
What can be deduced is that A) You don't say a single thing about how she could do that as Scum. And B) Based on her Town play sheeping you infer she is Town.
She has not had a single completed game as Scum.
Sure it could be amature Scum play. It could also be good Town play in a style you are not used to. Look through this game to get a picture of how I play as Town sometimes: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69627In post 322, Garmr wrote:Please spare me the bull shit. You literally tried to make me and alisae look bad and didn't follow up with a scum read or an investigation into it. That's amateur scum play.In post 320, LicketyQuickety wrote: And when you say I'm not committing? Please, the game days are 3 weeks long and you are giving me shit about not committing to a read balls deep after like 72 hours.
Also what's your motivation as town to muddy up other players who are being town read??????
xnadrojxIn post 331, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Who are the people Jordan is referring too? It's hard to understand what you're saying. Just tell me a narrative and include the post number.
Like I don't know the context of the posts. So tell me Jordan said that "Player X" is townie for doing "action X" but I see a contradiction that Jordan says "Player Y" is scummy for doing "action Y"
If you could explain it to me in that form it would be very much appreciated because I'm having a hard time following what you want me to see.
His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.In post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922
Style of posting is similar. It really isn't similar at all.In post 363, LicketyQuickety wrote:The style of posting is very very similar from that game to this one, that is what I notice.In post 362, Garmr wrote:His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.In post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922
In that game he displays none of the reasoning why people are scum reading him in this game.
Do you have a town read on karnos and why?
Nope, I have a Null read on him.
A format doesn't = alignment. There's obviously drastic differences from this game to that game.In post 373, LicketyQuickety wrote:It is similar. Look at the way he quotes people and then gives a response. The FORMAT of the posts is very very close here.In post 364, Garmr wrote:Style of posting is similar. It really isn't similar at all.In post 363, LicketyQuickety wrote:The style of posting is very very similar from that game to this one, that is what I notice.In post 362, Garmr wrote:His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.In post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922
In that game he displays none of the reasoning why people are scum reading him in this game.
Do you have a town read on karnos and why?
Nope, I have a Null read on him.
I never saw a defensive reaction in that game that was like 104. Like i don't think he omgus and accused anyone of a chainsaw. Also his votes didn't feel opportunistic in that game.
You seemed to miss that he supplied reasoning for his votes that game instead of hoping it would slip through the cracks.
In the end it's a totally different feel.
Honestly his format isn't the same if there's so much difference through.In post 381, LicketyQuickety wrote:Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.In post 378, shannon wrote:Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?Also, I said the same as Shannon regarding ongoing reads, got a totally different response... Doesn't seem genuine really. Like, I get a pass, shannon gets pressure? Hmmm...
I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.
Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.In post 285, All Alone wrote:Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.In post 273, karnos wrote:It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?
UNVOTE:
don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.In post 399, All Alone wrote:My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.
And also, Idoexpect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.
Oh I just do that sometimes call out a prediction based on my current thoughts I predicted that scum had day chat in one game day 1 before any flips just by looking at posts in game. WIn post 630, LicketyQuickety wrote:That is something to say at this stage of the game. Mind sharing why you think that? Af far as I can see its baseless.In post 628, Garmr wrote:All Alone - 4 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)
quote this for end game but at least 1 scum guaranteed in here.
Hmm that's a toughie because tbh while I'm really confident on my karnos scum read the others not so much.In post 632, Alisae wrote:Garmr who is most likely to be scum on that wagon?
Still alot better than your defense of karnos hmph.In post 635, LicketyQuickety wrote:AA can get away with that shit as Scum for a few reasons:In post 627, Garmr wrote:Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.In post 285, All Alone wrote:Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.In post 273, karnos wrote:It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?
UNVOTE:
don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.In post 399, All Alone wrote:My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.
And also, Idoexpect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.
1) they don't post frequently
2) the condition of the games state currently
3) personal playstyle
So while your arguments do kinda give me pause, you are still basically just giving a generic argument for why you Town read them which can basically be boiled down to "I don't think they would do that as Scum" which is pretty weak considering all that hinges on the wagon stuff you were talking about.
As an aside, I do kida have that same sorta intuitive kind of playstyle that you are using, but I realize its not "gut" that convinces people that you are right.
Conclusion: be more specific about why you don't think AA would do that as Scum.
I liked this because it resonated with my thought processes.In post 285, All Alone wrote:In post 273, karnos wrote:It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.
UNVOTE:
don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Because your obvious scum what a stupid question.In post 649, karnos wrote:Have we ever played together? Why are you so confident in your read?In post 638, Garmr wrote: Hmm that's a toughie because tbh while I'm really confident on my karnos scum read the others not so much.
I don't normal butt in and I will leave the rest to Jordon to defend but.In post 652, PranaDevil wrote:Karnos, calm your temper, calling someone an asshole only makes me want to PL you now. This is a game where we should be critical of everyone (even town reads), there's no benefit to getting pissed off at some for having a case on you and it doesn't lead to a fun experience for anyone.
What I will say is (without looking back over things as I'm on a phone at the moment... unlimited phone data is good, but no home internet is bad, and I have limited tethering, until Feb 7th most posting will be via the phone, but then will be more careful with data and spread it evenly), I like karnos' point regarding Jordan's complete contradiction. So on that point I want to hear how Jordan plans to explain himself, as it does scream scum forgetting something they said earlier.
Lol I wish I had a pt with someone But i'm alone this game. Also one of the trashiest responses ever.In post 656, karnos wrote:XnadrojX & Garmr share a PT. Probably because they are both scum.
No you can't dodge a question like that bad karnos.In post 663, karnos wrote:I'd like to see them explain first.In post 661, PranaDevil wrote:Explain. I still view Jordan as scummy, but not Garmr, so would like to see where you got this conclusion from.In post 656, karnos wrote:XnadrojX & Garmr share a PT. Probably because they are both scum.
While I'm in no rush I also don't mind if we lynch since we have like 29 pages. I just don't want the wagon to fall apart.In post 705, Alisae wrote:Garmr that's cool an all, but we have 15 DAYS LEFT!
In post 920, ThinkBig wrote:Reason?
Karnos seems to be amateur at being scum. Here you can see him trying link LQ to me. Then latter on he drops the lq read and focus me and jordan both town and made some bullshit excuse to jump off the wagon.In post 104, karnos wrote:In post 102, Garmr wrote:That being said
This vote feel opportunistic to me. It' hasn't got real reasoning and I feel like it's on someone he thinks will end up being a wagon.
VOTE: karnosSeems like you tried to guess the reasoning, and then assumed I had none afterward. Weird.In post 101, Garmr wrote:I don't think It's scummy to have flawed reasoning like Lickety had. Town can be Flawed as well.
If LQ is scum, you are the partner jumping to derail the lynch.
I wasn't scum reading him based on his logic, it was his defensiveness and over-explaining himself that pinged me.
Also, isn't an opportunistic vote usually characterized as jumping on a growing wagon?
Watch lq attack jordan for voting karnos despite never actually town reading karnos.In post 178, LicketyQuickety wrote:Blah, blah, I'm a horrible player who plays bad.In post 172, XnadrojX wrote:Spoiler: everything I mentioned LQ in
As you can see, my posts mostly indicated how he played badly, over he played scummily.
Karnos in the other hand, I expressed a clear scumread on him, "Most Bullshit defence", "warrants a lynch", "rather push a karnos wagon" was what I said. Here, his play looked opportunistic, hence scummy, while LQ play is simply bad.
At the current moment, karnos not possibly being scumpartners with LQ leads to more reason not to scumread him, as I scumread karnos at the current moment. I'm remaining null instead of a townread, as this still has the small chance of being staged, e.g. LQ puts out the BS case for Karnos to vote and try to start a wagon for town red(I've seen it happen).
I would advise lynching karnos over LQ for above reasons.
Now with all the possible questions I can think of fended off, I am going to move on to other topics.
I TR Alisae for similar reasons to why he is universally TRed, however i would however prefer his vote to be in karnos.
Garmr and Shannon are Town for now, creating active discussion. If Shannon or Garmr was scum, I don't think scum wants to put in the extra effort of creating discussion points and noticing things that probably won't get lynched. However, this is one of the less solid tells, hence the For Now.
Again, everyone voting LQ I suggest swapping to karnos, thanks.
Bro, why don't you check out my wiki. I prolly have more wins than you have games played.In post 88, LicketyQuickety wrote:5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.
Shit reasoning for defending karnos here plus he called jordan shit for scum reading karnos earlier despite lq only having a so called null read on karnos.In post 183, LicketyQuickety wrote:@Mod, LOL I was just about to say that Karnos is a null read because the game I played with them in I Scum read them hard core and they were Town and I was too.In post 23, LicketyQuickety wrote:I remember you, do you remember me?In post 22, karnos wrote:VOTE: shannon
This vote doesn't count yet, consider this a note to self on who is obviously scum.
<<< I remember you,
You remember me,
We're one big fucked up family~ >>>
The post wasn't solid at all I think he was just trying to make his team mate look better and possibly avoid the lynch.In post 692, LicketyQuickety wrote:This is actually a pretty solid post.In post 651, karnos wrote:Also, for anyone who still thinks this asshole is town, just look at how he is willing to throw his logic in the toilet as soon as he is caught in a contradiction.
In post 177, XnadrojX wrote: He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.In post 221, XnadrojX wrote:
I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"
Anything can be shaken off like that.This is not town thinking.
In 177 XnadrojX is perfectly happy to give Alisae a towny pass for doing stuffscum wouldn't do.
In 221 he suddenly took a 180, and is saying he doesn't like cases like "scum wouldn't do" something.
I'm still thinking we are smart enough to turn this around and wagon some scum, but if it comes down to a karnos lynch you must promise me you will lynch this asshole as soon as my alignment flips.
<<< Deleted the double-post. >>>
If you look carefully he didn't display one reason why AA is scum just that he could get away with it as scum. Not why it made him scum.In post 635, LicketyQuickety wrote:AA can get away with that shit as Scum for a few reasons:In post 627, Garmr wrote:Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.In post 285, All Alone wrote:Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.In post 273, karnos wrote:It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?
UNVOTE:
don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.In post 399, All Alone wrote:My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.
And also, Idoexpect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.
1) they don't post frequently
2) the condition of the games state currently
3) personal playstyle
So while your arguments do kinda give me pause, you are still basically just giving a generic argument for why you Town read them which can basically be boiled down to "I don't think they would do that as Scum" which is pretty weak considering all that hinges on the wagon stuff you were talking about.
As an aside, I do kida have that same sorta intuitive kind of playstyle that you are using, but I realize its not "gut" that convinces people that you are right.
Conclusion: be more specific about why you don't think AA would do that as Scum.
Everyone seems to be town reading LQ because they are gullible. From what I gather they think his articulate language and indepth sentences = town what you should be looking out for is motives and interactions and reasoning. A lot of what he says is hollow when it comes to gaining anything as town but it seems well explained enough that people will overlook it with out actually noticing the hollow nature of it.In post 931, Alisae wrote:What makes you think town want to lynch me cuz I really do thing scum is voting me right now.In post 929, Garmr wrote:Man it looks like I have to steer the town to voting obvious scum again today. I feel like town would lose with out me.
You got described one of the reasoning I was getting at but explained it better than I did and fleshed it out a little more thank you.In post 940, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I now find that there is a large contradiction in LQ's play. (Thanks Gramr, I think I was buddied because I love theory talk )
Well in the theory talk that LQ was explaining to me, he found it very AI the way people posted and that's how he got a read on him. This game he linked was a town game of Karnos. If what LQ says is what he believes, that means he would think Karnos is in fact town but he sat at null. I don't think it was really that hard to understand you either voted for Karnos cuz he was scummy to you or he was town. I find it odd that he remained null for the longest of times...
Oh, and trying to derail a wagon on a person he didn't think was town :p I'll derail any town wagon I see, even at one vote (as I did with ThinkBig), but I actually sometimes vote my null reads (ask Alisae lmfao) because it helps me discover more about their alignment and how they handle the wagon.
P-Edit: Mastina notice meIn post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922
Honestly I think your scum reads are pretty shit well the ones on the LQ wagon at least. As alisae,All alone and gin are town reads of mine.In post 952, Lexa wrote:I town read LQ, I don't find Garmr's arguments compelling, I find his quotes heavily cherrypicked, and I have three scum reads on the LQ wagon
LicketyQuickety's 80 is a bad post but with towny reasoning.
How is this townie? I know townie can have bad logic but still I would take this as null. He also literally called out their behavior as null and still voted them anyway.In post 80, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 70, shannon wrote:In post 55, Alisae wrote:I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;In post 52, PranaDevil wrote:LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.
vote: Alisaefor reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)
@Alisae what are the reasons?This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.
VOTE: shannon
<3 LQ for being open minded about WIFOM as a legit hunting tactic
adds nothing to the game should be taken as null so if your using this as a point then you fail.In post 226, LicketyQuickety wrote:Then you are really going to hate the way I get reads.In post 221, XnadrojX wrote:In post 218, Alisae wrote:I'm TRing Lickety cuz he's asking good questions that progress the game and I've been always SRing Jordan so I hopped there.
You sure scum would accuse someone of doing the exact same thing that they just did? That doesn't make sense to me.
pedit: Good shit LQ.I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"
Anything can be shaken off like that.
I do this by constantly matching up whether its more likely to come from Scum or Town. I do this by getting a picture of who that person is and use that to read if they would likely say that as Town or Scum.
You are getting a weird vibe from yet you are still town reading me. Also lq analysis was scummy as fuck. He went out of his way to smudge a null reads reputation not a town read. Honestly not going to bother posting the walls of conversation we had.Liking LQs analysis in 327. Garmr has been giving me a weird vibe I can't put my finger on yet from his posts to this point so I appreicate LQ helping me not think I'm crazy.
Really liking LQs explanations of his alternative ways of analyzing things as in 373
You can't be serious lol. He literally made a empty reason to try and throw off the scum reads on karnos with out actually down facts. The formats similar to his town game? You can't be even more vague. I even pointed out the differences between that game and this and he backed out of it. This is the worst reason to town read someone ever.In post 373, LicketyQuickety wrote:It is similar. Look at the way he quotes people and then gives a response. The FORMAT of the posts is very very close here.In post 364, Garmr wrote:Style of posting is similar. It really isn't similar at all.In post 363, LicketyQuickety wrote:The style of posting is very very similar from that game to this one, that is what I notice.In post 362, Garmr wrote:His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.In post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922
In that game he displays none of the reasoning why people are scum reading him in this game.
Do you have a town read on karnos and why?
Nope, I have a Null read on him.
I never saw a defensive reaction in that game that was like 104. Like i don't think he omgus and accused anyone of a chainsaw. Also his votes didn't feel opportunistic in that game.
You seemed to miss that he supplied reasoning for his votes that game instead of hoping it would slip through the cracks.
In the end it's a totally different feel.
Don't see how this make lq town and I don't agree with gin read.Gin is really bugging my weird strings. The whole stretch of posts leading up to 389 is so odd. I can see scum!Gin latching onto LQ as someone getting town read and attempting to link LQs credo to his own by suggesting they "town-jam" together. Without having pushed much in the way of town posts hismself I can't see where town!Gin makes that suggestion.
I disagree with LQ at 487 but his posts have increasingly solidified a town read.
This is just a theroy not a town point since you said you made several points i'm going to guess this is one.In post 487, LicketyQuickety wrote:I feel like he saidIn post 480, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:^^This is saying I'm interested in your theory work and want to learn it :p
"oh yeah, I'm Scum /S."
"Wait a minute, that might be a bad idea to admit that, I should prolly just say I am Town."
Its like kinda an over explanation that shows he's not thinking cool and calm. Its too... spammy for something that is just "Are you Town"
I really like LQs defense of ThinkBig following the above post, in particular 600. I really appreciate his alternative methods and they seem very town oriented to me.
Honestly his whole defense of thinkbig doesn't ring town for me as scum can just pocket players by defending them and he hasn't actually got any real scum hunting feats. It could go either way for this pointIn post 600, LicketyQuickety wrote:He is reevaluating a slot that would be really easy to stay on as Scum.In post 599, Alisae wrote:What is the town motivation behind going for AA now and the town motivation for the 180?
Hell, what's the town motivation behind not even putting their vote on AA but saying they are willing to PL it. Doesn't a PL take priority above all else?
A lynch already that was faster than expected I actually wanted to hear lq defend himself and see if he slipped anything.In post 1007, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Also I love ThinkBig so much, he's my number one
Like no offense but I didn't expect lq to be a shit town.In post 1018, ThinkBig wrote:Yuck. I absolutely hate the LQ wagon. I hate everything about it. We need to slow down today.
I am hard scum reading garmr. I hate how he derailed the Alisae wagon. I hate how we rushed it and didn't even give LQ a chance to defend himself.