Open 61 - Mountainous Multiball (Game Over!) before 551

[armlx]

Thorbjorn

. Obv he has inside info the mod is scum. No one ever votes the mod b/c they are confirmed pro-town.

[armlx]

Thorbjorn

. Obv he has inside info the mod is scum. No one ever votes the mod b/c they are confirmed pro-town.

WHEEEE! :notvoting:

I'm utterly incompetent at that I guess. It's probably not even worth it to revote as theres over 91% chance my vote will move today on straight up probability, and it saves me having to write out unvote.

[armlx]

vote:CPU quota errors suck

Agree. I think the phrase you are looking for is

Vote Server

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[armlx]

Are you all dumb. Mountainous means all townies.

[armlx]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... nous_Mafia

There.

[armlx]

@ armix: How does your posted link equal your previous post that "Mountainous means all townies.". I didn't see that anywhere.

Open 61 - Mountainous Multiball (Day 1 deadline: Feb. 19)

Title of this game.

Mountainous Mafia: Mafia with only scum and Townies.

Declared Setup BY THE MOD IN THE OPENING POST: 2 Members Mafia A, 2 Members Mafia B, 8 Townies.

0 vig.

Reading is tech.

[armlx]

Sigh. lets explain this again.

The name of the game: Open 61- Mountainous Multiball.

Open: Open setup, declared during signups.

Mountainous: A mafia game with only scum and basic townies. See 1st sentence of wiki entry I linked to.

Multiball: 2 mafias.

Townie: A pro-town player with no abilities.

From the signup thread

viewtopic.php?t=3881&postdays=0&postord ... start=1450

See the last post on the page.

Mountainous Multiball (Open 61) - 2 Mafia A, 2 Mafia B, 8 Townies

[armlx]

Yes I read the setup when the game first started.

1- Why did you say there were no mafia in post #83?

2- Why do you keep talking about the game setup acting like your telling us something new?

I didn't say there were no mafia, I was merely implying there were no power roles......

I'm saying this b/c people like you didn't understand Rosso Carne's vig claim was a joke, unless they took it so far I couldn't even tell they were joking.

I refuse to even answer anything further you ask me on this topic. Everything you have said has been a waste of my time to respond to.

[armlx]

Vote Greasy Spot

Onward in the name of progress!

[armlx]

FOS Farside

. Rallied on GS, jumped off to rally on Rosso, now jumping off to rally again. Doing lots of latching on to votes (always 2nd on wagon very shortly after).

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GS: I never was prodded. I saw a valid case against you based on a lot of scummy contradictions in wagons and against ppl voting you that you made didnt feel the case needed me to just rehash what had been said before.

Also, 2 isn't a wagon, but can be a budding one, but 3 definitely is sir.

[armlx]

Nobody believes anything I say so what's a Townie to do.

Lynch you, obv.

[armlx]

The joke was he is scum, and townies should be the people lynching him.

[armlx]

It's an issue with quotes within quotes. GS definitely said that whats a townie to do thing for clarity's sake.

[armlx]

I'm not going to hammer GS. I still have issues with armix for his comment.

FOS Farside

. Rallied on GS, jumped off to rally on Rosso, now jumping off to rally again. Doing lots of latching on to votes (always 2nd on wagon very shortly after).

Later he states a 2nd vote is not a bandwagon, but he thinks it odd I'm the 2nd vote against someone.
I am trying to get reactions to why people are doing what they are doing that is how you find scum. Not by following a bandwagon.

It appears to me you keep trying to build on starting wagons in the hopes one spirals out of control. Hence the FOS.

[armlx]

I'm not going to hammer GS. I still have issues with armix for his comment.

FOS Farside

. Rallied on GS, jumped off to rally on Rosso, now jumping off to rally again. Doing lots of latching on to votes (always 2nd on wagon very shortly after).

Later he states a 2nd vote is not a bandwagon, but he thinks it odd I'm the 2nd vote against someone.
I am trying to get reactions to why people are doing what they are doing that is how you find scum. Not by following a bandwagon.

It appears to me you keep trying to build on starting wagons in the hopes one spirals out of control. Hence the FOS.

If she wanted to be on a wagon that was spiraling out of control, why wouldn't she just tack her vote onto the GS wagon with no explanation? Oh wait, thats what YOU did.

Hardly. Jumping on the GS wagon without following valid reasoning would be the worst thing for scum to do. It's a lot easier for them to divert the attention from him today and just follow up on the suspicions from D1 on D2 or 3.

[armlx]

Wow, I didn't even read the last post in the thread before my last response.

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!

Unvote, Vote Farside

[armlx]

Your point is hardly a valid one, especially given GS's join date. I acted like that my first few games as town.

[armlx]

Too be 100% honest, my earlier vote was a mistake. I hadn't even looked at this experience level as I thought I had the sick reads on him.

[armlx]

I dont ever like experience being taken into account.

While this attitude is good for the meta (forces players to get better fast), on a game by game basis it is not a good way to win.

[armlx]

I'm okay with experience being taken into account if I get the feeling that the poster in question is a total noob who doesn't have much of an idea what they're doing... I don't get that vibe from Greasy.

I sorta do (no offense). He's not a total noob, but theres definitely room to learn.

[armlx]

I oersonally stil think armlx is scummier then GS since he hasn't exactly done much to help the town this whole game.

This is meant in the least offensive, least attacking way, but you have? Thats one of the worst reasons to wagon someone I've heard all day.

[armlx]

I oersonally stil think armlx is scummier then GS since he hasn't exactly done much to help the town this whole game.

This is meant in the least offensive, least attacking way, but you have? Thats one of the worst reasons to wagon someone I've heard all day.

well you haven't all you've done was join wagons and argue about the set up.

All you have done is wagon GS indecisively, wagon me now after waiting for the GS wagon to become unfavorable, and argue for lurkers.

While I still think Farside is scum thats just wagon hopping, at least she is contributing to a realistic discussion.

Big FOS Timmytuttut for the above reasons, most likely changing to a vote based on his next response

[armlx]

I'm honestly of the opinion no reason is better than forced, hypocritical, empty ones.

My contradiction was hardly immediate. It was actually about 5 days before I starting thinking outside the lynch mob and looking at what was going around beyond it.

[armlx]

He wasn't really scummy, and I'll admit I was wrong. My first vote was due to him continuously reminding us of mafia existing despite what I thought were evident comments on my part (which to be fair were very convoluted and confusing), which signed to me he was one of them. Then he OMGUS'ed and tried to really shirk suspicion instead of responding to the votes on him, so vote stood, and threw out the "What's a townie to do" line. All of which are scum tells for people not in their first 5 or so games, which it appears he is. I have seen many new players, including myself, do the exact same thing when they are in an awkward scenario.

[armlx]

There are specific scum tells that are also just newbie tells. The reason you voted GS is one of them (claiming in frustration, even if it won't help), which was the main logic behind the case on GS towards the end of the wagon IMO.

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@armlx: I'm curious, do you think timmytuttut88 should get the same leniency for his join date as GS? If not, why?

No. His behavior does not fall under the tells I let slide for new players. Its actually a lot closer to how I'ld expect a newbie scum player to act actually.

[armlx]

Hardly. You have done everything people are attacking me for (with less reasoning) plus laid low between it all.

[armlx]

@ tttt88: You nailed it man. All I am is a wagoner.

wow your definetely not helping your case!

vote:Greasyspot

With no evidence past the point you weren't willing to vote.

Unvote comes right after GS wagon derails.

Also the post you vote me you attack Rosso, but just say I'm scummy and vote me.

[armlx]

Here's the deal. I will role claim. I am a Townie. This could help the town if you let it. The mafia now knows I am a townie and will be a target for a night kill if I am not lynched. I am telling you this so as a town you can use this lynch vote to vote a mafia member out. If it doesn't work and the town is not happy, you may vote me out in Day 2 and I won't try to stop you.

My problem is GS made a really dumb comment. I mean really dumb. I'm trying to be nice. The logic that he stated that I quoted when I voted for him was out there to say the least. Basically scum will kill me because I've stated my role is the biggest BS I ever heard in an open game. Sometimes I give newbie a bit of a room, but newbie's acting scummie don't get the same bennifits.
I'm also good with armix for contradicting himself.

What I was trying to say here and obviously didn't get it across very well is as follows. Scum want to pick off Townies. If I come out and claim I am a Townie then I am an easy kill for them. Why would they want to lynch me when they could nightkill me when ever they wanted too. I said I would be a target for a nightkill because if the town believed me they wouldn't lynch me. If the scum pushed for my lynch then that would expose the scum.

Except claiming Townie is what everyone in this game would claim if they are asked.

[armlx]

OGML - I'm not sure where you got the impression I was wanting an armlx lynch. I retract my statement "He made a mistake, let him off" or whatever. That was a stupid, tired post.

I'm fairly sure Greasy Spot is scum.

So you are saying you made a mistake in accepting the fact I had made a mistake and we should accept your mistake? Or am I reading this wrong.

[armlx]

So, oEJo, the joke is you want us to forgive you for backtracking on forgiving someone for backtracking?

[armlx]

By retracting your statement about letting my take back slide, you are in effect attacking me for it by doing the same thing.

[armlx]

By retracting your statement about letting my take back slide, you are in effect attacking me for it by doing the same thing.

He has

never

attacked you, thats the point. When you were in the firing range he ignored you and focused on Spot like he had tunnel vision. I'm fine with him thinking Spot is scum, but to not comment on anyone else is strange when there were other suspects, namely you, being mentioned. He then defended you to Farside about your "mistake". That made my scum scenses tingle. Now he is saying his defence of you was a "mistake".

There has been no attack to you, more defence and backracking whcih you have also done.

I get the feeling he defended you as you are partners and now you are both trying to distance yourselves. Smells off to me.

To me at least it seems like a precursor to letting him wagon me when GS inevitably isn't lynched. However, if he were trying to set that up it's a really awkward time to do so, though I guess if he did it a page earlier he would be being too obvious.

[armlx]

Angelmouse: My point is that what he did was the first step towards being able to freely wagon me.

Anyways, should have done this 3 posts ago.

Unvote, Vote oeJo, FOS Farside

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My vote on Farside was definitely slightly OMGUS, but I still think there was valid reasoning behind it.

[armlx]

Angelmouse: My point is that what he did was the first step towards being able to freely wagon me.

Anyways, should have done this 3 posts ago.

Unvote, Vote oeJo, FOS Farside

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My vote on Farside was definitely slightly OMGUS, but I still think there was valid reasoning behind it.

Please read what OMGL said in regards to GS comment. Then come back and try and say that again. Basically same thought process said differently. Plus you haven't disputed what I stated against you at all. Nice try at sticking a knife in with nothing to really back it up.

Which GS comment? The responses I see have 0 to do with anything I said. If you are referring to me being on your case for attacking GS, I'm referring to the earlier thing where you vote him for wanting to attack lurkers.

I haven't disputed what your original reasons for attacking me were correct. I made a dumb vote on GS, and I indeed removed it once I realized it was dumb. I have said this 3-4 times now.

[armlx]

Watch how quick armlx is to hop onto the next non-GS wagon.

You can't really say that when I was arguing against oEJO before it was really a wagon

[armlx]

Waiting for questions to answer. Thoughts remain the same. Farside is scummy, but not good enough to lynch yet. oEJo is v. scummy flipping around on his defense. GS is not scummy for the reasons I stated before.

[armlx]

Unvote, Vote armlx

Take that Rosso. Or something. Go town.