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I like replacing. Give me a bit to do a short read of the eight pages and I'll jump in at full force!Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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First off, you guys should know that I tend to be very aggressive.
Okay, here's a blow by blow analysis. (Anal Leases)
First off, the fact that a number of you are fairly new makes things a little more difficult.
Ythill in Post #5 seemed a little off to me. The random voting state is generally how things get started, and leads to discussion. Also, the worry about forestalling a mislynch seems a bit iffy to me. Scummier is the flat out point that he even SAYS he's playing the "n00b" card. That sort of thing always comes across to me like scum trying to cover up future scummy behavior. I'm willing to chalk these up to inexperience, though. And with so many of you abstaining from the random vote, that's not really a tell either.
Post 12- Xtoxm sets up the n00b play for himself, as well.
Post 13- Ythill seems to be a big fan of the meta. Just so you know, it's hard to learn anything from meta. Especially from inexperienced players, whose playstyle will adapt over time.
Post 17- MafiaSSK tosses a third vote onto Xtoxm, calling him "suspicious," and leaving it at that. WTH?
Post 22- MafiaSSK complains about the tie (Which, btw, Xtoxm was 3 votes to Mafia's 2)
Post 24- ChronX places a third vote on MafiaSSK, and says it's for pressure. I hate when people TELL you a vote is just for pressure, because when you tell them that, it doesn't pressure them at all.
Post 25- Ho1den removes his random vote and places it on Xtoxm, simply stating he didn't like xtoxm "defending" MafiaSSK. This post is suspicious to me--- it didn't seem like a "defense" at all, (just a statement on the wording). And if you think xtoxm was defending MafiaSSK, why vote him? Why not MafiaSSK? What's wrong with xtoxm defending him if you think Mafia's town?
Post 26- Good post by Justin Playfair.
Post 28- And good contribution by Incognito.
Post 30- Ythill makes some astute observations regarding MafiaSSK and sticks him at L-3. The dreaded "pressure" is back. How I loathe that.
Post 34- Xtoxm actually DOES seem to defend MafiaSSK a bit regarding the gender thing, making assumptions.
Post 36- THANK YOU INCOGNITO. That's one of my pet peeves.
Post 40- MafiaSSK becomes more suspicious, saying he just wanted to be on a bandwagon. PROTIP- Page 1 bandwagons aren't as good as they sound for the town.
Post 42- MafiaSSK admits to lying. You do know that alot of people like to "LYNCH ALL LIARS" on this site, right?
And in Post 43- Xtoxm jumps on with the L-2 vote.
Post 44- Incognito voices one of my own thoughts--- WAY too early (page 2? Seriously? for anyone to be at L-2. However, he poo-poo's the fact that MafiaSSK didn't claim a random reasoning for his vote--- he actually (vaguely) said Xtoxm was suspicious.
Post 50- MafiaSSK votehops again, bouncing onto Justin Playfair, which leads to...
Post 51- Ho1den gives the argument (in effect) that MSSK is too scummy to be scum. Then he uses MafiaSSK's lie to.... put suspicion on Incognito? What? MAJOR scumdar going off here.
Post 52- Ythill raises the possibility of a jester. Just FYI, I read somewhere on this site that 4 out of 5 times that a jester is mentioned, the mafia are the ones mentioning it.
Post 60- The bandwagon has officially stalled.
Post 63- Pointless meta from Ythill. Any player in this game could be doing anything.
Post 67- After two really protown posts from Justin (65, 66), Mafia says he needed a reasoning for the vote against Xotxm. Here's a hint--- no one ever needs a reason for the random vote stage, and to lie just to get one is majorly scummy.
Post 68- Charter makes his token "i'm not lurking" appearance to toss some nonsensical suspicion onto Apyadg. Calling someone out for not scumhunting when you've been actively lurking isn't very productive.
Post 76- Ythill goes on the offensive (or acting defensive if you will) against Justin Playfair. This post seemed very defensive to me.
Post 83- Ythill accepts a completely non-explanation from SSK and then asks his opinion of the other players. What? In post 84, Ythill claims Ho1den and Chater are definite town. But Ho1den has been scummy to me, and Chater has been lurking. So they're not definite town to ME. And he's leaning toward SSK being town. Huh? Attacks North for not posting much, but his "Definate" town guy Charter hasn't contributed much either at this point. In fact, toss out his page 1 posts (Random vote, pointless meta, "Please contribute") and he has exactly the same number of posts as North. Two. And yet, he's town but North is scum? Hmmmm...
Post 96- Charter gets the Brown Sherlock award for openly questioning someone's opinion of his alignment- No, charter, you haven't done any scumhunting. If Ythill is scum, this is a piss-poor distancing attempt.
Post 98- Ythill's post is pointless. He throws away his suspicion while saying that "Definate" means "maybe" and "maybe" means "I got my eye on you..." but he included someone in the category of "I got my eye on you." Ends with a defensive North vote while not calling charter out on the same thing. Don't like this post at all.
Post 104- Ho1den asks SSK's opinion of the other players.
Post 116- DS is lurking in plain sight. I had forgotten this guy was playing.
Post 120- Jayhawk seems very pro-town to me in this post, and smells BS with Ythill. In post 122, Ythill makes some semantic assumptions about Jayhawk being a newbie mafia.
Post 161- SSK suspects Natudo for lurking... but not charter or even worse, DS?
Post 164- Shteven bounces in and seems to wonder the same thing I am. How is SSK any LESS scummy than he was before?
Post 170- Another protown post from Playfair.
Post 186- Ythill accuses Shteven of trying to control the thread. Jealous, Mr. TLDR?
Post 208- Ah, Claus, we meet again.
Anyway, This is the part where I mention who I think is scummy. Most of you have been scummy at one time or another, and since this is Mafia, that's to be expected. However, there are those that I see as more scummy, and I feel I've posted the reasons in my lengthy analysis.
Ythill, charter, and DS are my Top Three at the moment, with Ho1den clawing his way towards them. Now, I realize that all 4 of you aren't scum, but I'd be willing to bet my right eye that two of you are.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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EBWOP- Actually, replace Ho1den with SSK in that top four. SSK is way scummier than Ho1den.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Newbie games should be exempt from meta, since it's assumed your playstyle will change as you gain experience.Xtoxm wrote:
I was not "setting up the noob play", I was responding to Ythill, and excusing myself for the inevitable meta on my newbie game.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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This opens up all sorts of WIFOM though... If Ythill is mafia, he can still kill his selected target and claim that the doc protected him (protected Ythill, that is, to prevent the mafia from killing him), (if there is a doc or even better if there isn't). Or he could kill someone else entirely as the mafia kill and claim that the doc protected his vig kill.Justin Playfair wrote:XtoXm,
Ythill could be wrong and still be the vig. Him killing town would not prove him scum. Just wrong. If two bodies hit the ground tonight, and one is the person Ythill said he was going to kill, whatever their alignment, Ythill is on more solid, if not absolutely solid, ground.
So you see, there's no solid ground at all.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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And also, to simplify what Justin is saying---
Even if Ythill IS the vig, the vig has no special knowledge of who's mafia. He could just as easily off a townie as any of us could lynch one.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Maybe we're so thirsty for Ythill blood that we missed this.Disciple Slayer wrote:I am perplexed. I have no idea what to do any more. Mass RC, anyone?
Did the lurker just ask for a Mass RC?
What would the town possibly gain from that this early, especially when the clear play would be for everyone but Ythill to claim vanilla townie?
We don't WANT the scum to know who our power roles are.
unvote, Vote: Disciple Slayer
I still think Ythill is possibly scum, but this guy has getting a pass for way too long, and the Mass RC request was very scummy in my book.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Alternatively, suppose the mafia kill his target. We'd never know how that person died. Would we get some stuff about a doc protection?Justin Playfair wrote: 1. Since you’re telling scum who you’re targeting, if you do end up targeting town they know who they don’t have to bother killing and you’ve all but given them two night kills. Stop putting who you’re going to kill in your posts.
The One-Shot-Vig itching to claim after three votes (especially from a player who says he has a very high IQ) AND looking to shoot his wad on N1... very suspect.
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An honest-to-God roleclaim isn't something to be taken lightly, it's generally a last resort. Not a tool to refute an argument.Ythill wrote:
I've already stated that my timing had nothing to do with the votes. It had everything to do with punctuating Incog's "defense."kuribo wrote:The One-Shot-Vig itching to claim after three votes (especially from a player who says he has a very high IQ) AND looking to shoot his wad on N1... very suspect.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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On the contrary, I've pointed out several scenarios where Ythill could benefit from claiming one-shot-vig and being Mafia, nevermind the fact that he could be an SK.Xtoxm wrote:I don't see how Ythill gets any personal gain form this claim. Personally I think it's very convincing. I'll be surprised if he's scum now.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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That's my whole point, Xtoxm, there's any number of things he could say tomorrow if he's mafia and he still lives.Xtoxm wrote:And because if he is mafia we will be able to know by tomorrow if his plan doesn't work, so claiming it as mafia would have been stupid
IE, a Doc must have protected him. The only way to dispute it would be for the doc to roleclaim, which would be just as bad.
My gut tells me he's lying, but it also says Disciple Slayer is scummier and we can sort Ythill on Day 2.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Don't be a sheep, use your own opinion.Xtoxm wrote:If DS is the way votes are going I'll be happy to swap my vote.
It's scummy to say "I'll change my vote if the rest of you want me to."Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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And what I'm saying is that it's scummy to ask permission to put a vote somewhere. It's scummy because if they come up town, you've already created an explanation.Xtoxm wrote:
Quite a while back I said I would be happy to vote for either SSK or DS. Go look back.
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Okay, hold on...
Endless speculation about power roles...
Speculation about how many mafia one assumes there will be...
Stating you'll change your vote if the town goes this way?
Xtoxm is scum. GG.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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And stop fishing for direction. You're so eager to move on to night, when if you're town, you should be here on Day 1 trying to get the best lynch off.Ythill wrote:Also, I have a question for the field. Please everyone, answer directly. Assuming we lynch DS, who should I NK and why?
Also, since you said you mentioned the idea of a roleblocker first, I'll include that in my thoughts, too.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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That's just it, your actions DON'T make it clear that you're not eager for night.Ythill wrote:
I think I've made it clear that I'm not eager for night. Rather, I want to gather as much information as I can before it happens. Hence my question which, by the way, serves the dual purpose of helping me decide as well as prompting everyone (including scum) to post more of their opinions for consideration in the hunt.
It has been noted that you haven't answered. And that you are directing ridiculous attacks at me though my alignment is almost certain to be revealed in the near future. What are you trying to accomplish here?
Finally, I find it highly unbelievable that any townie would have a problem with speculation about scum power-roles.
Of course I haven't told you who I want you to NK, nor am I going to. Fishing for a "safe" NK is just ASKING for trouble--- as I've pointed out, any number of things can go wrong, and you could simply say "well, you guys told me to."
Yes, I have a problem with speculation about scum power-roles, when we have no evidence yet that it may be the case. It seems like you're trying to set up the possibility of a role-blocker or what-have-you in order to give yourself a ready-made alibi tonight.
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EBWOP: The second half of that post (From Yes, I have a problem with...) was directed at Xtoxm. Sorry.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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EBWOP2: Xtoxm in addition to Ythill, I mean. I just don't like the whole bit where on D1 some people are trying to figure out the potential roles.
It's not possible yet, and you'll drive yourselves crazy in the process, not to mention hindering the scum huntin'.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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But there are any number of equally likely roles that could be involved in the game. Wanna discuss whether or not there's a Godfather, a Serial Killer, a Mafia Doc, a Werewolf, a Cult Leader, or a Bus Driver? Maybe a Death Miller? Mafia Janitor? I didn't think so. And neither do I, because it's pointless to argue this stuff before the first night phase.Xtoxm wrote:
Or perhaps he's just genuinly worried about that possibility?
You don't have any defense for the things I've called you out on, and you're willing to jump straight into Ythill's defense.
While I genuinely believe that Ythill is a liability to the town at the moment, I don't think there's anything we can say or do that will prove his alignment one way or the other, at least not until the first night is past.
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Unless you've planned "I hope I get lynched and screw the town," this has to be the worst plan I've ever heard.Ythill wrote:This is especially the case since I spent the early part of the gameintentionallydropping minor scumtells as part of my “secret infallible plan.”
I don't buy that you've been intentionally dropping scumtells. That is extremely anti-town, and to admit it is either drop-dead village idiocy or scum thinking it's clever enough to state it and get away with it.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Poo Poo'ing my questioning with backhanded responses is hardly constructive.Ythill wrote:Or you've posted a false dichotomy. And a lame one at that. It's pretty obvious IQ boy isn't playing the VI and what, pray tell, would be the purpose of scum admitting intentional tell-dropping in response to someone putting him on the "nice" list? You're like a kid throwing a tantrum kuribo: long on aggression, short on sense. I think someone needs a time-out.
Thing is, I feel like kuribo believes he is scumhunting. This is just more shenanigans.
The purpose would be exactly as I said--- you've said that you're very clever, and you could point back on it to say "If I was scum, why would I..."
When clearly, I could just as easily say "But, if you're town, why would you..."
Then we go around and around in WIFOM circles.
That said, I can't think of any conceivable reason you'd want to lead the town to believe you're scum by intentionally dropping scumtells. The scum already know you're not one of them if you're town, so there's no point in trying to fool them.
I think you got caught out with some minor scumtells, you made a still-unverifiable claim, and now you're trying to explain away your behavior. As I said, a townie shouldn't be dropping scumtells intentionally to mislead the town. (Since as I said before, the scum can't be mislead)Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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But that's not a pro-town thing to do. If he's a townie, he's hurting us.Xtoxm wrote:I think he wanted some suspicion on him so he could claim
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Ythill wrote:@ Xtoxm: I never said that. You are answering for me, but you are mistaken.
Kurbio, briefly calling pooh-pooh by its proper name is absolutely constructive at this juncture, but you’re obviously stuck on this ridiculous inquisition so I suppose I’ll have to address it more directly. Your latest post has either disproved the VI half of your false dichotomy or proved it to be rhetorical, so I’ll just address the second half.
WIFOM really is the I-am-right-and-you-are-wrong buzzword on this site, isn’t it? To be WIFOM, an argument must address one or more possible courses of action thatbenefit the player accused of taking them. There is zero benefit in me (as scum) making the “intentional scumtell” statement, for several reasons. (1) It was made in response to a player who was reading me as town, if I was trying to look innocent I wouldn’t have challenged his read at all. (2) In context the statement would only excuse past scumtells, from which I’ve already defended myself, there’s absolutely no reason for me to argue with a town read on me in order to vaguely suggest a second, weaker defense to past tells. (3) My claim already seems to have protected me from a D1 lynch, me making borderline scummy statements in order to further “prove” my innocence would be ludicrous.
Furthermore, if you must insist that I would somehow benefit from the above and therefore that the argument truly is WIFOM, remember thatyou are the one who raised the question of my motives. In this case, an (actual) WIFOM assertion only disprovesyour accusation.
OMFG, LOL. What difference does it make why I did it? Nobody’s guesses can be proved or disproved. Neither can I prove the actuality of it, but I suppose I should probably register it here.Xtoxm wrote:I think he wanted some suspicion on him so he could claim
There is one very good reason for any power role to drop minor scumtells: avoiding the night kill. Note that, before the Incog case, I had been hoping to pull the trigger on my plan on D2, meaning I had to ensure that I would live through N1, meaning that I had to get a few votes from diligent scumhunters. There is another reason as well, but I’m not even going to bother getting that deep into theory here.
Repeating thisagainfor Xtoxm’s benefit: the timing of my claim hadnothingto do with the votes on me; it hadeverythingto do with my argument vs. Incog. I would have made the claim at that pointeven if nobody at all was voting me. Everyone in this game seems stuck in the mindset that claims should only be made under the hammer, which is almost as ludicrous as kurbio’s attacks.
Now kurbio, I’m going to repeat this clearly, hopefully for the last time. I am comfortable with a D1 Ythill lynch. If you are, then vote me and shut the hell up about it. If you are not, then just shut the hell up about it. My death is almost a certainty either way. Your non-cases are doing nothing except distracting us from reading others.
Just because you type alot doesn't mean you're right. And branding comments as "ludicrous" as a defense doesn't invalidate them, either.
WIFOM wasn't used as a "buzzword" in my case, it was meant in the terms of "If I was scum, I'd have done this instead of this," "Well, maybe you just wanted us to THINK that if you were scum, you'd have..." etc.
When you said "If I was scum, I wouldn't have dropped minor scumtells," that leads to "Yes, but if you ARE scum, you may want us to THINK that scum would never do that."
You can't expect us to turn off our brains and follow your lead.
Claims SHOULD be a last resort, because you're wasting an entire townie otherwise. (Yourself).
If you are town, getting yourself NK'd at this point serves us NO purpose other than, "see I told you I was town." And that doesn't lead us to scum either way--- if you're a townie, just because you argued with someone doesn't make them scum. They could just as easily be town who thought you were scum.
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Yes, I'm sorry that I can't grasp the logic behind your "super secret pro-town plan."Ythill wrote:Obviously you are either too unintelligent to understand logic, or pretending the same to be true. Either way, arguing with you is pointless. I will henceforth be ignoring everything you say about me (and probably the rest of your spew), at least until day two.
If anyone wants me to address anything kurbio brings up, please restate it.
We can't all work on the assumption that you have our best interests in mind. Maybe you should stop taking things so personally.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Oh, and when your main defense is "How dare you question someone of my intelligence, you're stupid if you don't get what I'm doing," you're on shaky ground to begin with.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I *am* concentrating on the game, it's not my fault you take it personally that I don't believe you have our best interest at heart.
That's the nature of this game.
Show me where I've "shouted insultingly."
The only person giving off egomaniacal diatrabes is you, Ythill. How dare anyone question your roleclaim, your intent, or your secret plan? That is the attitude you give off.
It's not a distraction, it's called "I think you're scum." How is pointing that out a distraction?
I openly questioned your intent and judgment, and you chose to ignore it, gloss over it, and finally question my intelligence.
If *THAT'S* not being over-defensive, I don't know what is.
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That's my way of thinking--- misleading the town is something that the town shouldn't do. Sure, you may avoid the NK by dropping scumtells, but you may not avoid the lynch.Justin Playfair wrote:
There is a school of thought that those who are thought most clearly town make the most attractive candidates for a night kill. And that if one has a power role one should not appear “too town” in order to protect that power.
I don’t particularly believe in this school of thought, for reasons which, at the moment, should be quite apparent. But there is that strategy out there.
What do you think of Xtoxm? I think I'd like a few opinions regarding the things I've pointed out, and his repeated defense of Ythill.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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It's not just the association with Ythill, it's the repeated attempts to shift blame from his vote onto the town.Shteven wrote:kuribo wrote:
Also, mini-fos: Kuribo. What points against Xtoxm? the best I can find is when you vote him suggesting that there could be a mafia roleblocker, vaguely in defense of Ythill. You've been pretty solidly against Ythill since joining, which I understand, but voting by association on day 1 is very risky. Ythill may stall his case with his claim, but I'd wait until he's proven scum to go hunting for his partners. On his own, Xtoxm just hasn't done much.
IE, "I'll change my vote if you guys think I should."
That's a scumtell, to me. It says that he wants our approval before he jumps on a bandwagon. Or that if the lynch comes up townie, he wants to be able to point back and say "Well, you guys wanted me to..."Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Xtoxm wrote:I'd be happy to go along with that...if you die and your mafia, then Ythill is twlling the truth, if your town, we can lynch Ythill.Xtoxm wrote: I would participate in a lynch for those 2, at this point.Xtoxm wrote:If DS is the way votes are going I'll be happy to swap my vote.
Tell me, Xtoxm, which part did I fakequote?Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Not only did you absolutely say flat-out, "I would swap my vote if that's the way things are going," and then accuse me of falsely quoting you, but you've stated several times before that you would vote or go along with the others.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I'm sorry, when you say that "If DS is the way things are going, I'd be happy to sway my vote," I interpreted that to read, "If you guys want to get rid of DS, I'll jump on the bandwagon."Xtoxm wrote:And I've already told you about the changing to DS thing, I already previously posted him as #2 suspect behing SSK, and said I was happy to lynch him.
I never said anything like or suggesting I wanted to vote whereever other poeple wanted me too
And I already explained that why do you ask again?
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[quote="Claus"]You are absolutely right kuribo. Let's try to keep things short:
(also, I stupidly closed the tab after hitting preview on a rather large response I started to write before this one )
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oops, broke the quotes againJoin me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I figured the sarcasm was evident when I quoted my own statement, and your statement, and the fact that you said I fake quoted you, despite the significance that both statements mean exactly the same thing.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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You said that when I said:
"If you guys want to get rid of DS, I'll jump on the bandwagon."
that I was false quoting you.
But you DID say "If DS is the way things are going, I'd be happy to sway my vote,"
That's the exact same statement.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Depends on what the mod chooses to do with the flavor. Could be anything.Ythill wrote:Just made a realization on my way to bed. Completely unrelated to the conversation at hand but important enough to point out...
Justin suggested (and I think some others echoed) the fact that I could be a SK even if a second body hits the ground tomorrow, but wouldn't that body be chainsawed? As a vig, my target will be shot. Problem cleared up, methinks.
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Am I the only person that doesn't like long, rambling posts?Ythill wrote:
Ha. Eat my dust puny-word-count boy.Shteven wrote:What? there's a verbose war, and you claim I'm winning? Or is that losing...heh.
Just checking in, not inspired to add content at the moment.
Seriously, it's kinda scummy to me.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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In my first newbie game, I was NK'd by being trampled to death by a passing parade of elephants. So, you see, it's all depending on what the mod wants to do, and it's pointless to speculate otherwise.Justin Playfair wrote:Ythill,
In the game I was in with Shteven there was no differentiation between the corpses left by a vig, the mafia and a serial killer. That was the first time I had been in a game with an SK. Hopefully there will be different methods here, as that would remove all doubt.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Newbie games can't be assumed to mean anything, since a player's playstyle will (hopefully) change over time.Incognito wrote:Oh and P.S. I've been checking out Apy's newbie game just for the heck of it and it turns out he dipped out when he started receiving some pressure. He dipped out to the point of being replaced and by the looks of it, he was scum.
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Jesus, guys, enough with the meta.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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That's just it, meta doesn't always tell you anything.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I could go for DS, for my reasons previously stated. (Inactivity and scumminess when he was posting)
I'd like to return to Xtoxm tomorrow though.
Confirm vote: Disciple Slayer. Mod, can we get a votecount, please? Do we have enough active players to even lynch?
Assumedly, the fact that scum almost always go after claimed power roles. Unless he's scum, he's likely dead, since they won't want to risk leaving him alive.Incognito wrote: Ythill, if you really are the Vig, you seriously have quite a high opinion of yourself. What makes you think that you of all people will be killed off tonight?Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Okay, looking over Claus' Naughty / Nice list, here are some impressions I get.
He put DS on the Naughty list. While we did wind up lynching DS, Claus (unlike us) obviously knew that DS was town.
Ythill is on the nice list. Another obvious one--- why stir up trouble suspecting Ythill when you can NK him?
Xtoxm is somehow on the nice list, despite spotty play which I've been pointing out since yesterday. Hm...
Incognito is on the naughty list, and Claus stated that they had once been scum together. Firstly, it seems unlikely for lightning to strike twice. Even without that meta argument, I think leading us down that road would be stupid, even if you're bussing him.
The naughtiness against Justin is fairly vague.
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Oh, and it's fairly obvious that I was wrong about Ythill. Clearly he was the vig.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I see. My apology for the misconception. (not sarcastic this time)Incognito wrote: This is actually incorrect. Claus stated that I was scum in one of his previous games but not that we (he and I) were scum together.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Are you an SK?Xtoxm wrote: Or SK could be any one of the 4 inactives. I actually think there is, as Vig is a strong town role to be having in a game like this. Or the SK could have targeted Claus/Ythill.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Ah, okay, I see.Incognito wrote:Eh? I think he means that someone will be replacing one of the inactives in our game while Xtoxm follows suit and replaces one of the inactives in Gorgon's game.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Vote: XtoxmI don't necessarily believe Incog's mason claim right now, since it's so early. But since we don't have anything to go on at the moment, I think this is where my vote should go.
For the reasons I've listed before, and the fact that you don't get to explain scummy behavior by chalking it up to noobishness, that is why I vote you. Add that to your recent speculation of power roles that may not exist.
Incog, a claim under no pressure sets off warning bells to me--- it's still early enough in the game for the rest of us to think you're scum and trying to set MafiaSSK up as his partner.
If Incog is scum, I'd bet dollars to donuts that MafiaSSK is not his partner. If he truly IS a Mason, then I'd bet that MafiaSSK is.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Wait, you're not sure if you should have *claimed* or if you should have *claimed Mason*?Incognito wrote:Woah, uhhhhhh. You know what? Now I'm not so sure I should have claimed Mason.
The fact that you're worried that someone could misconstrue the ROLE you claimed rather than the FACT that you claimed is suspicious to me. Along with the fact that you claimed so early under nearly no pressure.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Also, despite what Ythill said (just because he was the vig doesn't mean he knew anyone's alignment), Claus' lynch doesn't clear anyone--- I've seen far more aggressive bussing than that which went on between (for example) Claus and Incognito.
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How wonderfully convenient.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Xtoxm, again, speculating on a closed setup isn't going to help at all. I keep telling you this, all it does is distract from the town.
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But that's just it, speculating on the existence of roles that may not exist isn't helpful. Especially when we don't yet have evidence that there IS one.
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How are you trying not to force it? You've brought it up at least twice now.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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That's pretty shaky ground, Xtoxm.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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But lack of interaction is a null-tell. You could just as easily say that X and Y are scum because they've spent alot of time accusing each other.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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"More" power roles than what? A single vig?Xtoxm wrote: And I really can't see town having any more powers.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Shteven wrote:
DS was the doctor.kuribo wrote:
"More" power roles than what? A single vig?Xtoxm wrote: And I really can't see town having any more powers.
I could see a third power role, but yes it's likely that those are the only 2.
ooooh yeah, i forgot about DS
So I take it I'm not the only one that doesn't believe the Mason claim?Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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No, I said that if Incog is telling the truth (and a mason), then Mafia would likely be his true partner. If Incog is lying and scum, then Mafia is likely not his partner.Justin Playfair wrote:Kuribo,
You stated earlier that you believed that MafiaSSK could be a mason with Incognito, but not scum. Have you changed your mind about this?
What I said in a nutshell is that if Incog is scum instead of Mason, he probably hasn't outted his partner.
I don't believe the claim because it came with nearly no pressure and very early on Day 2. There was absolutely no strategic reason for him to not only claim, but also to out his partner. (If he has done that)Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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