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OKAY...
First, want to make a quick comment on the "omg vs. reyo" incident. The way I see it is that nobody ever misunderstood anybody else... you just have a difference of opinion. omg... did you really have to make a "scale of scumminess" in post 49?? LOL that was silly.
- I feel is doing the minimum, which would sometimes make me suspicious, but when he does post I normally agree with the logic, and his reads of people. So I can't say I have any problem with him now.Norinel
- I think has been trying the hardest to participate and find scum. With the amount he is posting I would expect to find some little bits of scumminess is he was scum. But I can't pin anything down.reyo
hasn't been very helpful, and had to be pushed to discuss strategy (when he probably has a lot to add since he's played the cult game before).oman
- i generally agree with his points and haven't seen him say anything scummy. Although I would like more participation.dahen
- has been making lurker votes and pretending to be lost -- having no read on people. That's lame. Now he's fosing oman and GW. I'd like a better explanation of that. Like maybe some quotes.FoO
- i didn't like post 183:GW
I really dislike this post. He tells everyone they're voting badly... which you can't even know unless you know who scum is. I guess he just objects to people "jumping at the smallest thing." And I really don't like that comment, because that is the game of mafia: jumping at the smallest thing. You pick apart little things and see if they become bigger.ghostwriter wrote:There is an amazing amount of bad voting going on. Why are so many of you jumping at the smallest thing? It does nothing more than make you look more suspicious.
GW's comment here is a "stopper." It encourages people to stop posting, stop discussing. That's a prime scum tactic. Either confuse people or end discussion. Games with lurkers or low participation favor scum.
was not helpful.militantreplaces and says:xtoxm
and then omg says:xtoxm wrote:Elias - I think is scum. Seems like he's making poor excuses for votes (lalaland) and as i've already said don't like the Omg case. Getting that general scum feel...
And really neither of them have given good reasons IMO. I don't mind if they think elias is scum, but I do mind if they don't have a real reason. I doesn't have to be a big reason. It can be a small reason, explained well, and I would buy it. But this "feeling" stuff is BS. Also seems like omg is only too happy to lynch anyone but himself. This little bit with Elias goes nowhere and so Omg posts this:omg wrote:Elias - This isnt an fos etc, but i agree that i do get a general vibe from your posts of manipulative scum. im not going to give a direct example because i cant think of one, but i do get a general feeling of scumminess from you and have since early on in this game.
That comes out of nowhere, and is yet again, not supported with reasoning. At best, that's not helpful. At worst, scummy!omg wrote:Im pretty happy to kill oman or FoO instead, thoughts?
And I don't understand this wagon on GSGold. Is it just because he's lurking? Or everyone's getting tired?-
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It occurs to me I haven't commented on everyone's play. I guess that's because of lurking.
Although I haven't really commented on Elias either. I don't have too much to say about him, but I would like to hear why some people say he's scummy.
Can anyone make a case for why Elias is scum?
Can anyone make a case why GSGold is scum?
I think I brought up some stuff about GW, omg, and xtoxm. But I'm unclear about the Elias or GSGold cases.-
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I'm just saying that you tell people they are playing badly without leading the way to better play or better voting, or really contributing anything other than to say others are playing poorly. You may say you don't want people to stop discussing, but I think that is the effect that your sort of comment can have. And it's page 11 and you're not voting anyone. How are you being helpful at all? You're just telling the rest of us how bad a job we're doing. Well, thanks for helping.
And I never said that I think people should vote whoever and give no reasons. In fact I asked lots of people to give more reasons, and explain themselves better. But actually, if people jump their vote around a lot and give weak reasons, it's really not so bad because it gives us something to discuss, analyze, and hopefully catch someone.-
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Okay thanks for pointing me in the right direction...
So GSGOld was almost lynched because of this:
And then everyone else on the bandwagon just agrees.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:GSGold wrote:I'm keeping my vote on OMG for trying to paint Norinel as a bandwagoning scum when in fact it was a semi-random vote.Unvote, Vote: GSGold
This was written right after i called out the 2 others for jumping on my bandwagon.
1. This looks to me like: 'Hey, Im not moving off, Im not scum'.
2. It is craplogic when thought about, particularly as I mentioned that I was in particular suspicious of Friend of Old and just included Norinel as he had done the same thing.
3. Constant lurking, and joining my bandwagon at an opportunistic time in the first place.
This is the first vote Im actually pretty happy with.
Am I getting this right now?-
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The wiki has a good explanation ot it here: http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM-
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Is random wagonning really an accepted practice? I'm still new, so maybe I'm wrong, but I think even early in a game you can pick on something small to start a bandwagon. It shouldn't be entirely random... ever. I mean, how will a random bandwagon tell you anything? It puts pressure on the person being bandwagonned, and you can get info about that person. But isn't the person apt to attack you for random bandwagonning? And how are you supposed to analyze anything about the bandwagonners? Any attack on their behavior can be explained away by "hey, guys, it was just random, I didn't mean anything by it." So it's not helpful in a lot of ways and only serves to confuse people. It gives scum a really good place to hide, I think.Elias_the_thief wrote: 3) Post 148 is by no means similar to LLL. LLL was suggesting a random lynch. I was suggesting a randomwagon. Random wagons are extremely good for town. They force players to actually take a stand, they garner information about the playrs reaction, and in general create discussion. Comparing random wagons to random lynches is really dumb, and I thought you were experiened enough to know the difference.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong!
BTW, I know I replaced LLL, but I would never agree to her suggestion of a random lynch. I think she was more saying that it's hard to be sure D1, and so it's a lot like a random lynch because you have less to go on than other days. I don't know if I'm right in my interpretation of her thoughts. Nor do I agree. Just wanted to make it clear that I disagree with what LLL said!-
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Just because you have seen OMG play this way as town, does not mean he is town again. Have you seen him play as scum? How does he act differently? Don't players TRY to act the same way as scum and as town so they are harder to catch? I know the key word is TRY, and the reality is that it is very hard to play the same way. But I think it's weird that you are "adament" about omg being town.Elias_the_thief wrote: 4) I am defending OMG adamantly because I've played with him twice before and seen lynched for weak reasons that were spurred on by bad reactions on his part. Both times he's been town.
Do you still believe the reasons against him are weak? And that all the hubbub is just "bad reactions" on his part?-
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Sorry but the argument that omg and elias can't be scum together is classic WIFOM.
Look at this quote about it:
wiki wrote:In Mafia, WIFOM arguments are often a Scum tactic used to distract the Town. The scum will make an unusual play at night, which would lead to a situation that would 'clear' them (because players will think, "Why would a scum do that?"). These arguments are sometimes used by Newbies and should be avoided in favor of clearer arguments.
Elias could have made that comment about omg intentionally as an unusual play so that later it will look like "but scum wouldn't do that!"
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I see that he was lynched for similar behavior in the first game, but looks like he was NKed in the second game.
His behavior is shockingly similar in the first game as his behavior in this game. Emotional appeals, insulting anyone who thinks he's scummy. I think he deserved to be lynched that game. Generally making himself easy to lynch. And for a townie that's bad play. If you make yourself look scummy as a townie, you're not helping the town. Because other townies will genuinely think you're scum, and it will make it hard to catch scum on crap reasoning -- because the reasons aren't crappy.
I'm sure OMG still thinks I am retarded. But I think that he should reevaluate his play style if his behavior always gets him lynched as town. He seems to think he is always right and anyone who disagrees with him is retarded. Nobody is always right. And I don't think anyone on this site is retarded, or even of below-average intelligence.
Do you realize how condescending this statement is? Analogies and hypothetical situations are not confusing to people, and it is not why people are voting you. If you are having a problem getting lynched as town, it is not because you are smarter than everyone else.omg wrote:Also and finally - I do swear that if I play any future games on here I will simplify my language from the beginning, I was unaware that things like analogies and hypothetical situations were so confusing/unknown to the general public and for the oversight I apologise.
But I also think that we can't know his alignment because of his alignment in other games. So those examples don't clear him, for me.
I also think self voting is always a bad idea. Especially when there is a lot of discussion happening and I am feeling as happy to lynch Elias as OMG at this time. IMO, the tide is swinging against Elias.
But I'm not going to unvote someone who wants to be lynched. If omg unvotes himself, I am up for lynching elias. But if omg wants to lynch himself, I say go for it.-
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^^^^^^^^^^BACKTRACKING!Elias wrote:
Numbered by me for answering convenience:Pink Puppy wrote:1)It shouldn't be entirely random... ever.
2)I mean, how will a random bandwagon tell you anything? It puts pressure on the person being bandwagonned, and you can get info about that person.
3)But isn't the person apt to attack you for random bandwagonning?
4)And how are you supposed to analyze anything about the bandwagonners? Any attack on their behavior can be explained away by "hey, guys, it was just random, I didn't mean anything by it."
1) It usually isn't. Mine was for because LLL was suggesting a random lynch. It was a very small reason, but I wanted a wagon to get discussion going.
2) You dont declare a random wagon as random, usually. The person under pressure may think it is serious and his reactions will help you learn things later in the game. Also, you can archive how people act on the wagon to help later on in the game. More important is that it starts discussion. Without discussion nothing happens.
3) You don't declare it as random, and bandwagons ARE accepted behavior, at least among experienced players. So you're unlikely to be attacked.
4) The other bandwagoners may not know its random. Players might be willing to lynch for a bad reason (see: random bandwagons are in actuality for small reasons). Also, if you learn the alignment about any players involved, it tells you more about the other players involved (scum links).
First you said:
So I said:Elias wrote:I was suggesting a random wagon. Random wagons are extremely good for town.
So you answer with:Puppy wrote:I think even early in a game you can pick on something small to start a bandwagon. It shouldn't be entirely random... ever.
So it isn't really random, is it? You're basically agreeing with me, and saying now that you weren't random bandwagoning. U can't have it both ways.Elias wrote:It usually isn't. Mine was for because LLL was suggesting a random lynch. It was a very small reason, but I wanted a wagon to get discussion going.-
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Check out my post 374, and my comments about the whole random bandwagonning thing of yours. I think that you originally supported random bandwagonning, but are not trying to say you support it but didn't do it. Backtracking. Flip Flopping. You're trying to have it both ways.elias wrote:Why am I scum?
But while you are asking me, I may as well do a more detailed write-up of the ways in which I think you are scummy. You're reversed yourself a lot in this game. I don't care about reversing voting so much as I care about reversing reasoning. It's hypocritical and I think you are trying to changing your reasons to fit who you want to vote for -- which is scummy.
Examples:
1)omg's activity level first makes you think he's town, then think he's scum.Elias wrote:Overall, hes still pretty active so for now he seems town to me.
BM points this out and Elias saysElias wrote:I understand the basic idea, and maybe defensive wasnt the right word. I dunno, you just seem like youre posting a lot more than you need to, almost like an overcompensation. I cant nail it down.
I guess I'm just wondering where this imaginary line is.Elias wrote:NOWHERE did I say that posting frequently was a town tell in general. I said I was getting a town feel from him early on based on his high activity level. That doesnt mean that he can just post a lot the rest of the day and be town, and at a certain point overactivity seems fishy to me.
2) Most of the game Elias has been defending omg. Except for a murky period when he decides to vote omg. Let's see some of the statements:elias wrote:Regardless, I said I'm not suspicious of you.
BOLDING IS MINE...omg wrote:anyways, i am considering voting OMG, mainly based on his hyperactivity, and his quick response to anything anyone says. I dont know why, but it seems scummy to me. And further,different from the two times I've played with him previously, in which he was town twice.The overdefensiveness argument that people are making is BS by the way.
This part is the MOST TELLING to me as Elias has said most of the game how omg always plays like this and don't take him seriously. Yet in the above quote he sees omg's play as different. He's vague about how it's different. But he says it's different. TOTAL OPPOSITE. Feels to me like he got sick of defending omg and decided it would just be easier to lynch him. But he had to reverse himself entirely. And his reasoning is so bad. It's meta, and it's not even substantiated. It's just a vague meta feeling that totally goes against what he said previously and later.
And another quote when Elias says the opposite about omg's play -- saying it's different that previous games.
3) A bit more on the random wagonning debate:elias wrote:no, hes changed some. before he got impatient and tired of town really quickly, and basically just swore at people (this was as town).
re:LLLElias wrote:Its called a random wagon in order to create discussion.
Why does he have a problem with the omg wagon being "baseless" when he already said how he likes the idea of random wagons (which are baseless)?elias wrote:By the way, bandwagons are good. I'll agree that the one on OMG is baseless, and a little too large for my liking right now.
4) Elias piles on and votes GS and then ask others for their reasons for voting GS.elias wrote:Agree with the above post, but I believe GS would be better suited with a vote: GS.
Elias votes GS because he agrees with somebody else's reasons (no original thinking here). Then he asks people for their reasons. Which is usually something you do when you don't understand the reasoning. And if you're voting the guy, you should know why he's scummy.Elias wrote:Reyo and Friend of Old, why are you voting for GS (I know you didnt actually vote yet reyo)?-
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To me it's pretty obv that Blazerunner was the mafia kill because he made several comments/questions about a COP. And there would be no reason for a VIG to kill him. He was suspicious for lurking and suggesting no-lynch (I think he said something like that). But he's also newb, so I don't think he was a great VIG target.
Elias, on the other hand, was a wonderful VIG target. I mean, he turned up town, but I thought he looked bad yesterday, and then he and norinel put the last 2 votes on in a hurry, so I think he was a good VIG target.
Not that it really matters who killed who.
So we have now:
9 players left:
2 mafia
1 cultist
0-1 cult recruits
That leaves 5-6 pro-town roles, 2-4 of which are power roles.
Could be much worse.
I am actually glad Elias is gone because I won't waste my time today trying to lynch him. I am doing a re-read with this new info. I am particularly interested in looking at the GSGold wagon with the knowledge of certain players being town.-
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Sorry to rehash this, but I just feel there is something WRONG with this GSGold (now BM) wagon from yesterday. Let me trace the events:
1) GSGold wagon wagon starts after GSGold says:
2) OMG votes GSGold.GsGold post 190 wrote:I'm keeping my vote on OMG for trying to paint Norinel as a bandwagoning scum when in fact it was a semi-random vote.
3) Reyo agrees with GSG, saying norinel's vote is not scummy:
4)reyo post 204 wrote:First of all, I don't think Norinel's vote is scummy, it was a page one vote.GW 206 wrote:Right now, GSGold and militant look the most suspicious to me. There are a few more who are looking more anti town than pro town to me right now, but the only people close st to being town in my eyes are, surprisingly, you Reyo and OMG.
5) Reyo reverses and finds GSG scummy:GW 207 wrote:Out of those two, the vote would likely go to GS, but I'm not placing it just yet.
6) Post 217 - Elias votes GSGoldReyo post 216 wrote:Fos:GS
1) for lurking (4 posts so far)
2) not contributing to the discussion in his first 2 posts then suddenly got onto OMG's wagon after he was prodded.
3) The reason for keeping his vote is weak
4)Not commenting on any other players other than OMG.
7) Post 221 - Foo votes GSGold
8) Reyo attacks FOO for his voting pattern and then votes GSGold, who FOO just voted.
9) Blazerunner 239 - votes GSGoldXReyoX wrote:Fos : Friend of Old
Your voting pattern in scummy. Saying no one is using any logic in the game and therefore not adding anything to the discussion is a scummy way to hide. You are making yourself hard to be read. Do you realize that its already past noon and what you've been doing is jumping onto wagons without adding sound reasons?
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Hello toshiro, what do you think about the game so far.
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For the moment,Vote: GSsince lalaland seems to be a newbie going to drop out so there's not much point if she's going to be replaced soon, like militant.
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11) Reyo attacks FOO's behavior again, while he votes the same person as FOO.Reyo 240 wrote:GS: speak up, you're on L-2
12)This I believe begins the decline of the GSGold wagon:reyo 247 wrote:OK FOD, I'm not buying your reasons behind your behaviour.
Because GsGold isn't there to discuss, people just move on. Which is sorta weird since the bandwagon was big.Norinel 255 wrote:
I think my words sort of got twisted around... why aren't you voting FoO? GSGold's primarily a lurker who'll get unvoted once he gets replaced; the OMG vote could be something, but is it more interesting than someone we can actually discuss now?XReyoX wrote:
My vote is on GS.Norinel wrote:If you aren't buying it, why aren't you voting? Is the current topic of discussion less important than the fifth vote on a lurker wagon?
Voted GSGold (now BM, alignment unknown):
OMG (town), Elias (town), Foo (?), Reyo (?), Blazerunner (town)
CONCLUSIONS:
:arrow: Reyo's behavior on this wagon is really shady, from seeming like he would disagree with this wagon, then jumping on it, then attacking FOO for jumping on it.
:arrow: Wagon starts when GSGold defends Norinel. Wagon ends when Norinel defends GSGold.
NOTE: Oman (208, 211) and Dahen (202) stay off GSGold wagon, saying they agree with his read on OMG.-
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The main reason for voting GSGold was this statement:
If you think Norinel's vote was not scummy, then you agree with GSGold.GSGold wrote:I'm keeping my vote on OMG for trying to paint Norinel as a bandwagoning scum when in fact it was a semi-random vote.
So I would think you would NOT jump on his bandwagon.
But you do. You site lurking and
But I thought you agree with GSGold about his vote on OMG? You said you don't find Norinel's vote scummy, and neither does GSGold.reyo wrote:3) The reason for keeping his vote [on omg] is weak
Also, I think you can definitely find someone scummy who is on a bandwagon with you. But I wouldn't expect you to keep pushing the wagon if you have doubts about other players on the wagon. I would expect you to get off the wagon if you have doubts about the other players pushing.-
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The rules say a mafia power role is POSSIBLE. Not that we definitely have one.Xtoxm wrote:There has been much discussion about town power roles...Notice also that the scum have a power role. How about some ideas on that? Is it just a GF, what kind of things might we expect from it?
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True, I don't see what speculating on mafia power roles can accomplish. Nothing good for town.Norinel wrote:As far as the mafia power role things goes, don't all the standard ones only mess around with the town power roles anyway? (GF only makes a difference if there's a cop/vig, roleblocker only interferes with power roles, framer makes life harder for the cop) With only a handful of town roles total, and none of them outed yet except the vig, I don't see why speculation does much good. It'd probably just do more to expose the power roles.
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In the way of outing pro-town power roles through clues someone might drop in discussion.Battle Mage wrote:
wait. what?Pink Puppy wrote:
True, I don't see what speculating on mafia power roles can accomplish. Nothing good for town.Norinel wrote:As far as the mafia power role things goes, don't all the standard ones only mess around with the town power roles anyway? (GF only makes a difference if there's a cop/vig, roleblocker only interferes with power roles, framer makes life harder for the cop) With only a handful of town roles total, and none of them outed yet except the vig, I don't see why speculation does much good. It'd probably just do more to expose the power roles.
Good things for mafia though, xToxm.
How does discussing mafia power roles benefit the mafia? 0.o
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Do you think discussion potential power roles can benefit town? I mean, I'm happy to be proven wrong....-
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Good thinking. Unless we don't have a doc. Is that possible/probable?Oman wrote:Okay, if we look at this at face value (the vig will kill Xtom tonight if he is fakeclaiming) and say that Xtom is a powerrole, he is NOT CULT. This is big, we have one guarenteed non-cultist. Meaning that even though vig is a dicey role in this game (I know I was the vig last game).
I say we are at a very interesting decision here.
let 1 townpowerrole = doc:
Let Xtoxm = Vigilantee -> obviously protecting him from night kills is the best move as we have a confirmed townie with no cult-ableness.
Let Xtoxm = Scum -> obviously the vig will try to kill him, but the doc should protect him (see Xtoxm = vigilantee).
Thus, I think that contrary to standard vig play any vigilantee should counterclaim now, if not, we should accept that Xtoxm IS town.-
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O rly?GhostWriter wrote:His general inattentiveness makes me believe that he's town.
I'm just curious. I'm not saying I think you're wrong. Do you find that more often inattentive players are townies not paying attention, or scum trying to skate by unnoticed?
This question is open to all!
I am torn because I don't want to lynch someone just for being a lurker. But I would hate to lose to lurker scum. I would much rather lose to active scum that legitimately outsmarted me.-
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I agree that that is a frequent scum reaction -- the more people you either confirm as town or express that you think they are townish -- the harder it is for you to hide and get somebody else lynched.Battle Mage wrote:
Let me tell u a story.Xtoxm wrote:BM, I don't understand what you mean there, could you try to explain better?
Why to you think Reyo is scum?
I personally find him very town.
Player A is protown.
Player A makes an analysis.
Everyone in the town thinks that Player A is probably protown.
Player B is scum.
Player B doesnt especially want to eliminate a potential mislynch, so he argues against the decision of the town.
Its only a scenario, but ive done it on numerous occassions as scum. As such, i consider it a pretty reliable scumtell.
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But I don't think your reasoning for confirming dahen as pro-town is that compelling that reyo has to agree or else is scum.-
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Well, I'm still here!
The thing that sticks in my head about Norinel is how he said
I did think the last two votes in half an hour was pretty suspicious. But aside from that and the fact that Norinel was hammering, I just don't like how he says "Let's remember that anyone who lynched OMG is probably town because he's acting like this." The fact that he wants to get that in before his vote, it's like he already knows OMG is town... and don't hold him (or other scum) responsible.Norinel wrote:I suppose he is right that his lynch will give us a place to start tomorrow, but let's not forget that even if he does come up townie, each of the rest of us has just as much of a functioning confirmed pro-town brain as he does.
unvote: GW, vote: OMG makes a hammer.
And nowhere have I seen Norinel scumhunting hardcore today because "the OMG lynch gave so much info." How much info can it really give if it was townish to vote him?
Anybody else agree?
I also think FOO is maybe scum, but too tired to look back at his posts to say why exactly.-
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About FOO, I just remember how he had to be pushed to participate early on yesterday, and was like "Hmm I just don't know... we have nothing to go on."
I don't know why, but I always think people who say "Man, I just don't know what's going on!" are scummy. Sort of like scum scared to stick their neck out too far. But I guess it could just be a newbie thing. I mean, in all honesty, I normally do feel lost but I try not to say it because that's unhelpful.-
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And how was I supposed to know Elias was a "bad direction"? BEsides, I don't remember xtoxm saying it was my suspicions that caused him to vig elias. I think he would have vigged elias anyway. I'm not saying that was a bad move -- but I didn't do it.Norinel wrote:As far as the people who are still alive who had a hand in that, PP's the one who worries me the most. Her points are good overall, but it seems like she's been driving the town around quite a bit with her choice of targets and stuff, especially with OMG gone. That's a bad thing if she's scum, but the best way to figure that out is to figure out if the directions she's been pushing are worthwhile, which is hard to tell in the early game. The one thing we know for sure is that Elias wasn't a good direction.
I've been throwing out a lot of stuff this game, some of it people seem to really support, and some of it people never answer (like the GSG wagon stuff). I'm scumhunting. If you would rather me say nothing, that's pretty anti-town.
On the other hand, Norinel, I think your play has been more watching us play and commenting, than actually playing. Which... is scummy.-
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Thanks for proving my point.Norinel wrote:
If you're anti-town, particularly mafia, then you'd know that Elias at least wasn't in your faction, and have more general info as to figuring out what his role is. (Plus, of course, you'd know that lynching him would help you regardless of Elias' actual alignment)PP wrote:And how was I supposed to know Elias was a "bad direction"?
You're assuming I am anti-town to prove I am anti-town. Your assumption is not evidence.
Well, it could be a difference in play styles. But I'm usually suspicious of your type of play style and think it has a high probability of being scum.Norinel wrote:
What would you consider actually playing? If it's aggressive scumhunting, I've already mentioned that that's not something I often do unless I get a strong scent. Some people need to be shaking the thread, and some people need to be poking at it.On the other hand, Norinel, I think your play has been more watching us play and commenting, than actually playing. Which... is scummy.-
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I mean, unless he's my scum partner and I don't wanna buss him. But then I don't think I would even say I thought he was the play for today. I dunno. Probably I'm acting stupid.Xtoxm wrote:
Hmm, maybe. I take your point.Pink Puppy wrote:Wait a second, if I was mafia/cult, I would not be worried about oman being quicklynched. I would welcome it. So don't be that suspicious.-
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Oman wrote:Actually, I haven't been ignoring prods. In a few games (so that it wasn't alignment based) I've been trying to try out lurking as people seem to think LAL is wrong. So I'm trying to get perspective. Unfortunatly, my findings aren't really ready, but I just don't feel right doing it any more.
Sorry.unvote; vote Oman-
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I don't know how you can discren who may be mafia from who may be cult. Seems pretty impossible to me.Norinel wrote:
That was in reference to PP- if she's anti-town, I think she's more likely to be mafia than cult, so we can wait on lynching her. (Whereas we can't really wait if we have a good suspect for the cult recruiter)XReyoX wrote:Norinel:
Why are you pointing me out particularly? and what do you mean by "mafia's more likely than cult"?-
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Norinel, I am not threatened by you suspecting me. I object to your playstyle, reasoning, and you not addressing my problems with you.Norinel wrote:
Up to now, I just wanted to make sure everyone else realized that being literate doesn't make you town. Now I'm starting to think there's a good chance you're scum- it almost seems like you feel threatened by me for some reason, and the most obvious reason is that I'm the only one who hasn't written you off as obviously pro-town.Pink Puppy wrote:I wish I could vote Norinel at the same time as Oman.
Strong FOS: PP, which would probably be a vote change otherwise, but I'm not going to further spread out votes with a deadline upcoming.
Did you ever respond to how you used your assumption that I am anti-town to prove that I am anti-town?-
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This made me like you a lot more.Norinel wrote:
Style I can't change without a significant increase in the time I can dedicate to Mafia. Reasoning and addressing your problems I can work on.PP wrote:Norinel, I am not threatened by you suspecting me. I object to your playstyle, reasoning, and you not addressing my problems with you.
SO...
Do we still want to lynch Oman? Because I would also be up for FoO.-
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