HI!Tamuz wrote:Only if you're Battousi
Sorry, had to stop reading and post this, by the way its Battousai. *goes back to reading the day*
Well, I don't know what he was thinking, but after reading through all the day posts, I have a few gut feelings towards some of the people hereJohoohno wrote:@ Battousai: When you've read through the day, I'd like a your thoughts on your predecessors posts.
I thought I answered the question in my original post.Battousai wrote:I have no real reasons behind some of them, its just after reading their posts I just get a feeling. Not enough to warrant a FOS or a vote.
1) It does bother me some, because I can't tell when Rosso is playing normally or scummy. In a previous game, he acted similarly to this and was a plain townie, but the way he plays is scummy to me. So I have no read on him really, he could be either or. The main reason, though, is that he has only 4 votes and a quick bandwagon on him does not seem feesible before I can get on and sway votes away. And honestly, I didn't want to appear scummy defending him when I wasn't clear that he wasn't scum.Jester wrote:You say that we're driving toward either a Johoohno or RC lynch, but RC isn't on your list of suspects.1This doesn't bother you, that we're probably about to lynch someone you apparently don't find suspicious?2Why didn't you bring this up when you asked people to justify their votes for one or the other?3More to the point, why didn't you answer your own question?4You also have no FOS's on anyone, which I find a little odd, given your suspect list is pretty long. Still, there's definitely scummier players in this game
WtF, kill an unknown, take the chance of killing a pro-town power role, vanilla townie, or scum. It's like an additional lynch, but with only past game as evidence and with out me defending myself. I do find this stupid, and suspicious. Since I see no way you will be lynched today, I will feel comfortable giving you aTamuz wrote:The Battousai thing only SlySly and battousai should understand. I'm still unhappy about a game we were in with Battousai, and I had more than half a mind to quit this game when I saw Battousai replacing in.And lord knows that if I was a vig I would kill Battousai right now for the town's sake.
Here's a cookie and some apple juice. Now, I did read your "wall-o-text", and I do find it to help bolster my support of a johoohno lynch. I still think Johoohno is scum and should have been lynched day 1 if it wasn't for the modkill. So I vote: johoohno now based on my previous opinions from day 1, and lack of responding to Mizzy's post (blame it on holidays but if he doesn't post soon I will add it as a blantantly not responding to the main accusations thrown at him by Mizzy)Mizzy wrote:I'm seriously surprised that no one looked at my wall-o-text I feel unloved.
I do, but you are the most scummy. I am not, though, shutting everyone else out and only looking at you. I've only been posting about you lately.@ Mizzy and Battousai: Do you have any other suspects but me? (Just fretting over me will leave the scum rubbing their hands with joy, not having to do anything to win this day)
Hypocritical much Johoohno?Johoohoo wrote:
I had the feeling that we weren't going to get a lynch since enough of us couldn't agree on whom to lynch.
We always get a lynch when the deadline hits, see rule #10.
It's basically WIFOM, if there was a sk they could have choosen not use their action to save Johoohno for a later lynch (we lynch second candidate today and then tonight there's two actions making suspicion go back on Johoohno).Without a 2nd kill last night to back me up against Johoohno as scum aware of an SK, the case against him is weakened (though Jester made a good point about SlySly joining the vote against Johoohno. That would probably have been a 3rd vote on Johoohno right now)
There are also a few holes in this theory, though.Jester wrote:You know... that's interesting, and likely true. I hadn't even thought of that possibility. And a few days have now passed, quite long enough for the scum to have hammered a Batt-townie and have already won the game, since I'm not scum.Nyktorion wrote:By the way, Jester, I would be careful with voting already... if there are three scum, we might be in LyLo already
I think I'll keep my vote where it is, for the time being.
This is my post 335, Jester. I wrote this as my summary of the first day when I replaced in. In this I gave my minor suspicions for 5 people that were mainly gut. At the time there were 11 people, not including myself.Battousai wrote:Well, I don't know what he was thinking, but after reading through all the day posts, I have a few gut feelings towards some of the people hereJohoohno wrote:@ Battousai: When you've read through the day, I'd like a your thoughts on your predecessors posts.
IGMEOY: Earwig, Blackberry, TNE, Nyktorion, and Johoohno
I have no real reasons behind some of them, its just after reading their posts I just get a feeling. Not enough to warrant a FOS or a vote.
Blackberry's theories made him suspect in the beginning, but also I think some of the people who tried to put that into the limelight and distract people are even more scummy. Those people are: TNE, SlySly, and Ryan. Since Ryan was town, he is act probably just trying to figure out the theory.
Johoohno, the reason I find you the most scummy is that you intentionally try to muddy up the water by implimenting the sk role into people's heads. I see no reason to bring it up on day 1 when there has not been any night actions.
This is my first mini game and mountainous game on this site, so I don't know how they work here. But where did you draw these conclusions, from your own experience or what?99% of the time, SKs are required to kill every single night. If they weren't, they wouldn't kill at all until the late game to hide their presence in the game. When SKs miss their deadline, mods are generally required to pick someone for them to kill at random for this reason. And I invite you to point me to a single game on this entire site where a SK could only kill on even-numbered nights.
I think it is up to the vig on whether or not he/she feels like claiming, since it helps narrow the field if they claim, but then they would be killed tonight. I would prefer if they did come out for the benefit of the town, instead of trying to stay alive.Mizzy wrote:I'm torn on the idea of a one-shot vig claiming. On one hand, if he is one-shot, then he's no longer a power role and just a normal townie-type, so claiming would be giving us a guaranteed innocent. However, since he'd be unlynchable, he'd basically be signing his own death warrant because I can't imagine the mafia would let him live. I would also love to smack him for not listening to what I said about Rosso.Nyktorion wrote:P.S: I still would like to know from all of you whether you would like a possible one-shot vig who killed in N2 to claim. I still support this idea.
Haven't checked it out yet)- possible distancing from the lynch? OMGML's vote was obviously on an easy target. That plus Ecto's casting out suspicions on everyone early in the game put him into the scum pair.To me, he came off as noob and I said as much, though I don't recall the post I said this (feel free to check me)
What do you mean you used all three and both? Both implies there being only two (FOS, and voting), what do you mean by the third one?Jester wrote:Nyktorion wrote:Nyktorion wrote:
If you just wanted the town to focus on scumhunting instead of setup discussions, why did you not just use FOSes instead of votes during the day (the "playing it safe" point I tried to make at that tine, which was also the root of the escalation of the setup discussion), instead of escalating the discussion as well?
Ummmm... I did. I used both. I used all three.
To me this does sound like you did want someone to claim vig, you even claimed that you weren't. Now you deny you wanted a vig claim?Jester wrote:Also, it seems pretty clear to me that Rosso was vigged. The guy was acting like an ass, and certainly deserved his fate. And heaven knows he certainly drew any vigs we have in the game on himself. I don't think I've ever seen such anti-town behavior. It'd be hard to find a person in this game that didn't want Rosso dead, so finding out who killed him is going to be tough unless someone now wants to claim vig. I'm not a vig.
Jester wrote:Nyktorion wrote:Nyktorion wrote:
...you also have to count your 626 where you pushed for a vig-claim.
You might want to actually read 626. I've posted a link to it, just to make it easy.You're right about 704, though.
The point I was trying to make was that you were willing to place a vote so early that day without knowing whether or not it was LyLo.Jester wrote:Battousai wrote:Battousai wrote:
Add in Jester's actions yesterday of voting someone early in the game without confirmation of it being lylo.
Out of curiosity, where was I supposed to get such confirmation? The fact that Tar confirmed it today is the first time I've ever seen a mod tell the players they were at lylo. That said, I think I made it quite clear over many D3 posts that I did not believe we were at lylo then. Had Tar not confirmed, I would have made it very clear that I was sure we were at lylo today.
The reason I'm not fighting against my lynch hard enough is because there was nothing to defend against that I actually knew of that would warrant a lynch (besides the LCD theory).Mizzy wrote:The biggest most blaring reason for wanting you lynched is the common denominator theory. It's very, very true. But other than that, you aren't fighting hard enough against your lynch, you've been wishywasy, lurker-ish, and the apparent motives behind some of your actions have been muddy at best and, in my opinion, downright scummy at worst.Battousai wrote:Mizzy, what is your reasons for voting me? Don't give me pages to look up, just the cold facts of why you think I should be lynched.