Mini 588: Achewood Mafia - Game Over!

[Alabaska J]

OG Smokedank: Best poster so far.
PBuG vs. Lemming1607: Seems like townies butting heads. Cult claim for rizzle? Please. Let's give him credit that he is not that stupid. And PBuG's votte wasn't OMGUS. Can we move on?
populartajo and Mathusis: Actual best posters so far.

Everyone else is essentially lurking.

I'm going to

vote OG Smokedank

. Look at all of those jokes he is making! He must be mafia.

[Alabaska J]

Dear god, Greasy. I'm hoping you saw the bold vote and read the first sentence, then posted without thinking. Because, if not, you are retarded or don't speak any english at all and are using a translator for everything. Seriously, read the whole post. Also, Lemming should probably post. I feel his early behavior with PBuG (which I feel is just townie misunderstanding townie) is distracting people from voting for the noob scum we have right in front of us.

[Alabaska J]

She is sticking with his random vote for no reason all the while trying to get a bandwagon going. Noob scum frequently try to speedlynch. Also, she has criticized others, and yet still votes me for no reason. My predecessor didn't post, and I have posted once. There is no reason for her to stick with her random vote like she has. Either she is an incredibly bad townie, or fairly bad scum. In my opinion, people tend to be fairly bad, not outrageously horrible.

[Alabaska J]

I said it in my post. Read again please. Also, I didn't start a bandwagon and my vote wasn't OMGUS. Just because you were voting me doesn't mean my vote on you was OMGUS. You look very scummy right now, so I felt you deserved my vote.

I do have to say, as an aside, I almost don't want to lynch OG Smokedank because she has posted some of the funniest things I've read in a game I've played on the site. Loved the rap btw. And yes, there are a few dumb people here, but most of us are smart, as I'm sure you'll find out. Too bad you are so frickin scummy :/.

[Alabaska J]

Wow. I find it searingly ironic you missed my inherent sarcasm in the post in which I voted you. Priceless. Simply priceless.

[Alabaska J]

I seriously don't see where you can't find my lack of reasoning. Your posting, while amusing, is not helping the game b/c of it's lack of content; you are speedlynching; you are pushing a bandwagon off of your random vote for no reason until recently. In reference to this last point, you have recently stated reasons for me being scummy (these reasons are not good reasons, but they are reasons nonetheless); however, your posts pushing my/demonking's lynch were

all before

these recent posts. You, therefore, are also hypocritical, because of your statements directed towards myself (me? I dunno how grammar works in this situation and I'm tired :p) about lack of reasons.

confirm vote: OG Smokedank

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[Alabaska J]

Malthusis was already voting for OG Smokedank, if I'm not mistaken.

[Alabaska J]

Lemming, if you did a fakeclaim (which personally, I don't really like anyways) why didn't you say you weren't it after we did our first reactions? I don't think you got very much information after PBuG's reaction except how she defends OMGUS. OG is practically done no scumhunting at all and has practically done nothing to move forward this game.Even though Lemming is scummy, he is still moving forward the game (like he said), so I'm going to have to pressure and

Vote :OG

I believe he tried to vote OG here first.

[Alabaska J]

How are you not trying to speedlynch!!! You random-voted me and then kept it on after the stage ended even when my predecessor hadn't posted and encouraged others to vote too! Then, when random voting was over, you kept your vote on me even after I replaced and had not yet posted, even switching your vote! Then, you attacked me after I voted you for doing all this crazy stuff.

[Alabaska J]

How are you not trying to speedlynch!!! You random-voted me and then kept it on after the stage ended even when my predecessor hadn't posted and encouraged others to vote too! Then, when random voting was over, you kept your vote on me even after I replaced and had not yet posted, even switching your vote! Then, you attacked me after I voted you for doing all this crazy stuff.

He's not trying to speedlynch, he's trying to lynch without reasoning. Sppedlynching is piling votes on very quickly causing an extremely fast lynch.

Well she only has one vote. She's pushing my lynch is what I mean.

[Alabaska J]

He's not trying to speedlynch, he's trying to lynch without reasoning. Sppedlynching is piling votes on very quickly causing an extremely fast lynch.

i have reasoning with my vote now but i suppose its hard to read if youre illiterate

sigged. lol


Also, just wanted to point this out: Musher333's posting and voting as of late seems opportunistic.

[Alabaska J]

yay replacement!

[Alabaska J]

are you lynching me because i am SCUMMY or because i am STUPID? if your argument is that i am STUPID SCUM, what is preventing me from being STUPID TOWN? if your argument is that i am STUPID ANYTHING and need to be lynched because of it, you really should quit playing mafia

You could be stupid town, but we're giving you the benefit of the doubt here that you aren't THAT stupid and that you are in fact scum making tradtional newbie scum mistakes.

[Alabaska J]

Also,

You gave no inclination that your vote was a joke. You do not keep random votes on that long when there are actual things going on.

QFT

[Alabaska J]

p.p.s. you all are raeally dumb if you thought my vote on demonking (or my rap about him) was serious

When did I say it was? I personally liked the rap.

Loved the rap btw.

[Alabaska J]

Scum would reaffirm a vote for a person against whom there is no evidence after the random voting stage is over because they are hoping newbie townies would see this as a possible serious vote and jump on the wagon, in addition to possibly drawing out the person you are pushing and causing them to slip up (or at least claim they have *coughcough*). Trying to push lynches with no case is obviously a scum strategy, as you have pointed out, although erroneously.

[Alabaska J]

Also, I personally don't care about the swearing. That seems like a playstyle choice and not a scumtell.

FoS: Malthusis

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[Alabaska J]

by the way, considering i am at lynch -1 if we count malthisus' repeated attempts to vote me, do you all want me to claim?

I want a consensus before this happens, seeing as you are not actually at L-1 b/c of Mathusis' suckage. However, if he does actually vote you, or if the majority of the people want one, claim.

[Alabaska J]

She is sticking with his random vote for no reason all the while trying to get a bandwagon going. Noob scum frequently try to

speedlynch

push my lynch with no reasoning whatsoever. Also, she has criticized others, and yet still votes me for no reason. My predecessor didn't post, and I have posted once. There is no reason for her to stick with her random vote like she has. Either she is an incredibly bad townie, or fairly bad scum. In my opinion, people tend to be fairly bad, not outrageously horrible.

Fixed. Are yo happy now?

[Alabaska J]

Wow. OG, you just proved your opportunistic scumminess. Sheesh. You should change your vote only if you think they are more scummy, not if they have more votes. Reeeeeeeeeks.

[Alabaska J]

Really? Then why didn't you change your vote when this thought popped into you head? Unless, it didn't, and you are backtracking.

[Alabaska J]

That's basically being opportunistic and simultaneously going against all previous actions you've made. You could have put a serious vote on anytime before you actually managed to find reason for an Alabaska vote. Now, instead, of sticking to your atttacks, you switch to the bandwagon at the drop of a hat.

QFMFT

[Alabaska J]

well fuck it and fuck this game. i'm cornelius the bartender, my role is basically cop, every night i get to see if someone is a drinker there or not. maybe now some of you will be forced to look at more than one player this entire game.

Dammit why did you have to be so scummy then?

unvote, vote: malthusis

. Next scummiest, IMO.

Also, just realized if we lynch OG Smokedank, she would be eating KFC in hell, which would be racist. Shame on us.

[Alabaska J]

Im not sure if i believe OG but all the same i will

unvote

What makes you not believe her? She played very poorly, but we have no evidence to the contrary that she is not the cop.


Also,

FoS: populartajo

for being so vote shy. You afraid of your scumbuddy being lynched?

[Alabaska J]

prod malthusis

. He has disappeared at a very convenient time…

[Alabaska J]

Im not sure if i believe OG but all the same i will

unvote

What makes you not believe her? She played very poorly, but we have no evidence to the contrary that she is not the cop.


Also,

FoS: populartajo

for being so vote shy. You afraid of your scumbuddy being lynched?

Well exactly she played bad game which made us think he as scum which makes it look less likely to her being a cop.

She is a noob; that explains a lot. You'd be surprised how bad people are in there first game no matter what their role. I was horrible in my first game and was lynched day one-when I was the doc.

[Alabaska J]

UGH, sorry i should have previewed...
EBWOP:

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This was populartajo's last vote:

Vote : Lemming.
Just for being so vocal at the beginning against PbuG and OG, then is suddenly quiet.
And just a question, @PbuG: what do you think of Lemming right now?

I seriously dislike bandwagons, whats so wrong with that?

a bandwagon is only bandwagon if it looks like a quicklynch with no reasoning behind it.
not to mention that you shouldn't vote unless you've got good reasoning. i find it strange that you're voting for lemming and then asking for PBuG's opinion on lemming

I hate bandwagons, specially D1 ones. Ive seen many good and bad townies dying to good and weak arguments.

I guess it's also related to the fact that I, as town, was bandwagoned to death D1 in my first non-newbie game.

And about my question to PbUg, you had to be here at the beginning of D1. PbUg and Lemming were involved in a fight to death very early that I thought both of them were exagerating things. But now, no one seems to care against the other. It somehow bothers me.

Yes. Yes it is. I had a similar experience and was shy the next game. OG-wagon was the closer to the type of bandwagon you are talking about than malthusis-wagon is.

Also, because she is a noob, her

godawful

(and I mean

godawful

) play can be understood. Before her claim, I thought she was noob scum, not horribly noob town. I felt she could be pretty bad more likely than she would be very bad. The cop claim made me change my mind. If she was more experienced, I would hesitate to unvote in this situation, as the lack of a counterclaim could be because the cop is lying low.

[Alabaska J]

prod malthusis

so we can get this over with.

[Alabaska J]

I felt the same way about populartajo until lately but his shyness and odd stances might stem from him being lynched early in a game so I am leaning towards him being pro-town also. Same with PBuG.

[Alabaska J]

I am so ashamed.

[Alabaska J]

vote alabaska j

guess who doesnt drink!

vote OG Smokedank

because the real cop would have been roleblocked!

And I strongly believe the mafia has a roleblocker if we have a cop (balance reasons). If anyone can give information that can refute my theory, I will immediately recede my vote, but until then, nice fakeclaim, buddy!

[Alabaska J]

EBWOP: rescind, not recede. My vote is not the tide :/.

[Alabaska J]

vote alabaska j

guess who doesnt drink!

vote OG Smokedank

because the real cop would have been roleblocked!

And I strongly believe the mafia has a roleblocker if we have a cop (balance reasons). If anyone can give information that can refute my theory, I will immediately recede my vote, but until then, nice fakeclaim, buddy!

hahaha listen to this scum telling us what scum should have or would have done.

Actually, it is the only reason I can think of why a "Cop" would post a guilty result on a townie. Unless you are dumb enough to be roleblocked and post anyway…

[Alabaska J]

Nooo!!!!! Phillippe!!!! Was he just a townie? There was a 5 next to his name, what does that mean?

I'll

vote Alabaska J

, as I said before, I believe OG's claim, and if she is lying, then there will be an easy scum lynch tomorrow. Also, Alabaska is using some really weird logic in 232, which would make sense if he is desperate scum. I don't see any reason that mafia would have a roleblocker, I think that all of the games that I have played in have had cops and no scum roleblockers (although I haven't played in too many games). Plus, Alabaska seems to have lost his cool, calling OG dumb, etc. Up until now, Alabaska has been pretty light, joking with OG.

Imagine if you are a townie, and the "cop" has just called you scum. Would you freak out a little, and try to work things out? Also, look at the newbie set-up. If there is a cop and a doc, there is a roleblocker. We seem to have a cop, and I am of the opinion this game (as most theme one's do) has a doc. This is definitely theory, but it explains everything, so I am willing to work with it. Also, I have

definitely

called OG Smokedank dumb before lol.

One last thing, I think the 5 is his place on the role sheet in the first post.

[Alabaska J]

One last thing, I think the 5 is his place on the role sheet in the first post.

Arg can't confirm this anymore. It is really interesting, though.

[Alabaska J]

I would like to point out a few things.

sorry to disappoint, but i didn't "fuck up". yes, philippe was a townie. and if i'm right about the 5 referring to his age (philippe IS 5 in the comic) then it seems funny to me because:

drinkers are townies, people from the town that go in the bar a lot. i'm guessing scum is outoftowners but i dont know achewood flavor

if i understand correctly, the bar is underground. philippe is a stuffed animal. what i'm trying to say is it seems strange to me because if OG hypothetically were to have investigated pbug, would OG find philippe (5, stuffed animal) "drinking" in the underground bar? do you understand what i'm saying? yes, maybe i'm looking into the theme too much but it bothers me.

The theme is one of the best tools we have to help decide on things such as this. This really makes more me suspicious of OG's claim. What is Todd Todd's stance on alcohol, do you know?

and i'd like to say i'm really annoyed because OG basically breadcrumbed that she was a cop from the beginning by going after alabaska (previously demonking) so aggressively; that's why i didn't vote her. but to know OG NEVER had any proof until now? that makes me mad and uncomfortable. we could have lynched someone that was innocent yesterday with horrible reasoning.

How is aggressive playing a coptell?

it concerns me that the goons wouldn't at least try to kill OG. instead they go for the player everyone felt was a townie. why would scum let a cop go running around when we've already killed one of them?

EXACTLY they would try and kill no matter what just in case the doc messes up UNLESS they have a roleblocker. Or OG is scum.

that said,

unvote, vote: alabaska

because OG is right, if OG is lying then she dies tomorrow and she's finally out of the game, and if not then we're one step closer to winning and i can get out of this game and away from players (read: A player) that are rude and all together unpleasant to play with.
are you even capable of not being offensive?

Ahhh fail. You are actually going with it because of OG's statement? That is possibly one of the scummiest things I have ever read. It reeks of noobscum who think they can trade themselves for a townie and it will be a good thing, or a scum worried that the tide will turn to the other side so they use logos to try and twist the lynch.

While I know the odds would favor my lynch, I really dislike lynching townies for no reason, so can we please avoid this? We can get rid of OG today, lulu.

[Alabaska J]

Sorry populartajo, but I was replying to lulu's post. I'm getting to yours.

[Alabaska J]

I have a theory.
Guys, its simple if thats how it worked. They didnt kill OG because they KNEW there was a roleblocker.
So they were probably thinking that there could be a doctor that could protect OG.
Who said there was a roleblocker?
How convenient, Alabaska...

Anyways, if Alabaska comes up town then OG should be inmediately lynched.

Vote : Alabaska

I don't understand this post.


Don't forget it is possible she could be the cop and faking a result even though she was roleblocked. We already know she isn't that great of a player. If this is the case, please say so OG so we can avoid this whole mess and hit scum.

[Alabaska J]

If you say yes, Ive been wondering why didnt they block OG?

Here you are assuming she IS cop and ISN'T faking. I really don't think you can make this assumption. Well, I KNOW you can't, but you know what I mean.

[Alabaska J]

I have a theory.
Guys, its simple if thats how it worked. They didnt kill OG because they KNEW there was a roleblocker.
So they were probably thinking that there could be a doctor that could protect OG.
Who said there was a roleblocker?
How convenient, Alabaska...

Anyways, if Alabaska comes up town then OG should be inmediately lynched.

Vote : Alabaska

I don't understand this post.


Don't forget it is possible she could be the cop and faking a result even though she was roleblocked. We already know she isn't that great of a player. If this is the case, please say so OG so we can avoid this whole mess and hit scum.

fuck you. i wouldnt lie about being roleblocked and its fucking amazing that you would suggest otherwise.

what i am curious about is why you are pushing this theory so hard. maybe you tried to roleblock me and failed?

No it is the only reason I can think of that you would get a guilty on a townie: that you didn't get a guilty at all.


OH SHIT! What if she's insane? Or paranoid? Does this fit in with the flavor? OG, is your name bartender or do you have an actual name?

[Alabaska J]

A weight has been lifted off my shoulders! It's a good feeling.

confirm vote: OG Smokedank

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[Alabaska J]

Unvote

For the moment.
OG, this isnt a stupid question. What role did you get? Dont PM, explain it in your own words. Name and power.
Demonking, I ask the same question, target and result please.

i'm cornelius the bartender, because everyone in town comes in to drink at my bar, i know everyone in town and know who is a drinker and who isnt. this strongly implies that drinkers are not among the town and are therefore scum.

Or it could imply that those who drink are scum and those who don't are town. The mafia could chill out at your bar, for all we know. Seeing as PBuG was a five-year old stuffed animal…

Also, can someone please confirm whether or not Todd Todd Todd drinks? This would help immensely.

[Alabaska J]

malthusis throwing a "me too" vote on both bandwagons is pretty damn scummy at this point

This quote by Lemming1607 pretty much sums up why I changed to malthusis. Also, I really put much weight into FoSes so when malthusis looked like he was trying to argue that swearing could define someone as scummy/not scummy I tacked one on there.

Also, during the night, I figured OG would investigate me. I would be proven town and all would be well. Given my new status I went to reread to see who I thought was the most scummy, as my opinion would be worth a little more the next day. However, as I was rereading (paired with things happening in other games), I realized that he was likely to be roleblocked and I was not a confirmed townie after all. Then when day started, and I was suddenly "scum," I thought it was odd, as OG was the obvious roleblock target. Seeing as I wasn't scum and OG had an investigation (which was doubly wrong, but I'll get to that later), I figured one of two possibilities: 1) she was scum trying to get me lynched and had faked his claim (the more likely scenario) 2) she had been roleblocked but felt so strongly towards me being scum that she voted for me anyway saying she got an investigation when she in fact didn't.


Also, I DO drink.

[Alabaska J]

Wait, who is erg0 replacing?

[Alabaska J]

Also, I DO drink.

How do you know?

It mentions it in pm in addition to my character drinking in the strip on occasion (from what I have read which isn't much).

[Alabaska J]

Wait, who is erg0 replacing?

[Alabaska J]

Ahh. Yep I've seen that happen before. Gotcha.

[Alabaska J]

Dont ignore us, OG.
You assumed you were the cop, right?

yeah and i still think thats what i am

but even if i'm not, alabaksa is lying now so hes scum whether i'm cop or not, since i def got that he doesnt drink

I definitely do drink.

[Alabaska J]

Dont ignore us, OG.
You assumed you were the cop, right?

yeah and i still think thats what i am

but even if i'm not, alabaksa is lying now so hes scum whether i'm cop or not, since i def got that he doesnt drink

If you're the cop then Populartajo just admitted to being scum. That seems unlikely to me.

Might as well put it out there: I don't drink either. Hence, I don't believe that drinking/not drinking is a reliable indicator of scum. I strongly suspect that what OG has is, at best, a flavour verification ability.

Thinking about this further, I can't really see any reason that Alabaska would fake being a drinker under these circumstances, even if he were scum. The best way to resolve this might be to lynch elsewhere and let DoS investigate either Alabaska or OG tonight to see what he gets.

This post is winning the thread.

[Alabaska J]

i'm cornelius the bartender, because everyone in town comes in to drink at my bar, i know everyone in town and know who is a drinker and who isnt. this strongly implies that drinkers are not among the town and are therefore scum.

Or it could imply that those who drink are scum and those who don't are town. The mafia could chill out at your bar, for all we know. Seeing as PBuG was a five-year old stuffed animal…

After he acepts that he drinks. What does it mean? Why would he come up with a theory about drunk scum when he DOES drink?

Dear god you are looking WAY too much into my post. All I was trying to point out was that not drinking could be town and drinking could be scum just as easily as drinking could be town and not drinking could be scum. Also, just as Cipher says, my pm mentions that I do drink, and I drink in the comic (from what I've read, anyway), but it doesn't make a big deal about it or anything. Also, the reason I am being very aggressive here is b/c it sounded like such a small detail and OG claimed this small detail was something else. This mixing up of details is scummy, especially when you are a flavor cop. Also, seeing as we have a REAL cop (and probably a doc somewhere too) I'm sure we can get our cop to investigate me tonight and live so that we don't lynch a townie for no reason, lulu.

[Alabaska J]

Dang!...I missed the Hammer by one vote...Just kidding

FoS: Greasy Spot

for this gem.

Anyway, I am Pat, I am protown. I drink (as you know) and I'm a pretty grumpy guy (well except for the one time that I was shocked into being nice). I am essentially a sucky vig in that I can submit a result and 50% of the time I will either not hit or hit a random person instead (I'm unsure what decides whether I hit a different person or miss, probably a coin flip or something), seeing as I have a tendency to shoot people in the comic, at times by accident.

There you have it. Not extremely useful, but not scum and I DO drink.

[Alabaska J]

Also, again, I am fine with the cop investigating me tonight to prove that I'm town.

[Alabaska J]

No flavor does not always matter that much. I have heard of a Harry Potter mafia in which Harry and Ron were scum. Also heard about a Star Wars mafia where scum were from the original trilogy and town were from the new one.

[Alabaska J]

Also, yeah I noticed that too, but seeing as we had no extra kill night one (I chose not to kill)…

[Alabaska J]

Yes, sort of. I guess a better definition would be to say that he does not have very good morals? Pat is just kind of a jerk sometimes.

[Alabaska J]

Go town.

[Alabaska J]

BAH

[Alabaska J]

anyway i just want to say i fucking called it. post 145 go read it and see how awesome i am

Extended bah: OG did in fact call three scum in one post. Damn.

[Alabaska J]

You have no idea. The things I do to look town…

[Alabaska J]

anyway i just want to say i fucking called it. post 145 go read it and see how awesome i am

Extended bah: OG did in fact call three scum in one post. Damn.

This post contains no additional information to the game. Do not use it in arguments for anything one way or another.

[Alabaska J]

og smokedank pwned our whole scum group :/