Unstable Mafia - Game Over

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Every post you make I become more and more convinced that you’re town. That automatically makes it DT/Creature. But I’m convinced Creature is scum, since I just don’t see you/DT being a thing. Why wouldn’t you do a Creature lynch?

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VOTE: DT

Let’s do this shit then.

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I was talking to Lich last night in interrogator PT and Teacher got green on Stefan. So it’s me vs Creature and I think we all know that it’s Creature.

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VOTE: Creature

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Fwiw I think creature could see our PT.

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It explains the Schizophrenia role better.

Pedit: Like that's going to tell us anything if I'm scum.

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I interrogated Lich so we preserved the Teacher check regardless of Lichee dying. Scum has to kill either me or Lich.

Twice is correct.

Possibility Vedith.

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It fits. 3 man scum team isn't powerful enough without though IMO.

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*that

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We two are same person (so less brainpower) and town have double voter? No. Not without something like that.

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My role is pretty proven.

Creature's is completely useless unless he's lying - I think he can see our PT's. Maybe not the dead one, IDK, but definitely my ones.

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And no-one has really had a pointless role this game.

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I can't do this tonight but I will go through and see if Stefan has used any info from my PT's with you and Stefan.

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It's possible he miscounted (and much more plausible). The numbers were all confirmed by town players, so you don't have to take my word for it.

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I'll need to go back through and check everything. There was one day where it would have needed Pignash to say Creature's name I think.

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I didn't have a PT day 1, I'll assume you mean N1.

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DT's role is eh, but even with just the cop pair I would expect a really strong scum role to compensate the Rabbi thing and PT watcher fits the bill.

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I have no incentive to lie about this as either alignment, so you can check this if you want, but in my PT's it was:

N1 with DT: 0 mentions
N2 with Vedith: 2 mentions
N3 with Stefan: 1 mention
N4 with Lich: 2 mentions

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N1 Creature number suggests he miscounted. Also possible he couldn't see the PT N1.

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Like maybe he has to choose somebody to view their PT's.

4 makes even less sense if he's a schizophrenic no? Much more likely he miscounted/couldn't see N1 so thought we said twice, then accounting for puppet made it 4.

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But there's me and Lich who have PT's so maybe he can choose a person and view all their PT's for the night. That might be most plausible, and he didn't choose me N1 so didn't know how many mentions when I claimed.

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Yeah OK I agree miscounting is unlikely. Choosing somebody is more possible.

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Vedith how can he explain 4 mentions as Schizophrenic? I'm pretty sure he said mod confirmed it was only mentions in PTs and even if it wasn't nobody has ever visited him.

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I'll go to bed now and let you talk to Stefan. I'm pretty sure mechanically Creature is lying about N1 mentions though.

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Maybe you just have great creativity? <3

Pedit: N1 Lich said that nothing was said in dead PT I think.

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During N1 I should add

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Didn't you say it has to be the same name? Because then you-know-who's would count also.

N1 we didn't discuss you at all. I'm pretty sure it would have come up during claiming if we did btw so you should believe that.

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It went like this:

Me-Yo, I'm roster, we mutual-town each other so wanna claim?
Him-Doc. Why choose me? What are your reads?
Me-Lich, teacher, scum, A50 susp, believe masons, RCE good. Code? Wanted to be town buddies to mesh
Him-Code doesn't matter. IDK if this role is townie or scummy
Him-Who to save?
Him-Oh didn't see mason claims

Literally everyone but creature somehow lol. Nothing at all like Creature.

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Anyway I'm out.

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I'll go to bed now and let you talk to Stefan. I'm pretty sure mechanically Creature is lying about N1 mentions though.

Just remember this.

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Vedith, Stefan, from what I can gather you’ve seen ways that both me and Creature have been mildly scummy and townie. That is to be expected - but there is the mechanical point that I do not see how Creature could have got 4 mentions D1. It was confirmed by DT that we didn’t mention him and I’m pretty sure Creature said it was only in PT’s so action’s don’t count (not that there were any on Creature). Lich said that nothing happened in dead thread N1 so there is no way that Creature could have got 4 mentions.

Therefore Creature is lying about about the mentions night one. If you find no other reason to vote for Creature please answer this point before you vote for me.

Also the kill doesn’t indicate me at all, since both me and Creature kill Lich last night, as Stefan said.

I know you kind of addressed this point, but scum me does not clear Stefan. I was shading him a little yesterday so it would make sense for scum me to keep 3 non-clears open.

I’ll get to your points about my posts in a bit, but I hope you can see that I have townie reasons, and the mechanical point is the killer for me - there is no way past that.

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Have you played with Vedith before?

From memory, this was trying to see if Pignash was aware that you always fake-claim/or shit early on. Do you think it sounds stiff or?

Scum: Lich

Scummy: Volxen, Teacher-ish

Null: Rest

Town: DT, A50, Rabb

Pedit: He's null. But a wagon there is not productive

My reads were all over the place. I was completely wrong to hard-tunnel Lich. The not productive wagon thing was because of the declared V/LA no? That makes sense IMO, since they wouldn't be able to response to pressure (we didn't know they were a puppet at this point)

Weridy I was kinda sorta starting to townread demonlord before he got replaced. There's no logic to it, but somehow I felt town.

Yeah I don't remember writing this post. My reads were very bad D1.

No reasons in the original vote

In post 873, rosterfoster wrote:
Vedith give it a rest. He's effectively claiming masons.

In post 879, rosterfoster wrote:
But your reason isn't based on anything to do with their play.

Masons seemed pretty legit fmpov as it all seemed to be based around PT's. So this is why I was believing the mason-type claim to begin with, maybe with a touch of neighbour thrown in but some confirmation-type-thing.

Rooster actually looks terrible with his posts concerning flipped Scum.

I think they just managed to sound townie-enough to me with the mason claim that I didn't question them too much. Obviously I was wrong and you were right, but does that make me scum? No.

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This seems to have disappeared pretty quickly.
Rooster looks to be open for easy lynches and lynch anywhere after Rabbi and Pignash flip

I was still pushing against DT lynch and for Creature untill the end, but I was being convinced by others. My townblock was right, but it collapsed because Teacher and you were very suspicious of DT. Mistakes happen, it's fine

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Actually it's less town like than I thought.
Rooster was the second vote but he didn't post from my vote (3rd vote) and the self hammer (6th vote)

Overkill also looked favoured to be lynched so it could be a strong distancing that went wrong.

That's about the time I go to bed. I stayed up for longer last night so I could make sure I got the Stefan Inno out quickly. If you look at my posting times that's consistent.

I pushed really really hard for the Rabbi lynch, and I'm pretty sure it was my questioning of some of his mis-information posts which guaranteed his lynch. It's a really awkward bus to make if it's a bus, because losing 2 scum at once would always be tough especially with the double-cop thing.

Also if I'm scum DT dies N1 for claiming Doctor IMO. There wasn't really much motivation for him to fake-claim (and I mean he didn't say it all, but it took him long enough in thread anyway) when we were strong-town reading each other.

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As it stands I think Creature is Scum over you.
But I haven't finished looking at stuff yet.

Yeah I know but I do feel like I need to address concerns you have.

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VOTE: Overkill

Here teacher is trying very hard to force the Overkill lynch through .Then both Rabbi and Pignash follow on.

VOTE: Rabii

Overkill is at L-1 at this point. Scum me hammers him almost certainly to save the puppet.

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*creature not teacher

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Imma take more of at look in the next hour or so to see if creature used information said in my PT’s at all. The only applicable ones if my theory is correct is with you two so the content is verifiable.

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I know I'm confbiased here, but I want to look at Creature potentially using info from me and Vedith's PT N2 in D3.

Spoiler: Creature D3

Two unique players mentioned my name last night.

Likely there are two scum left and my lynch likely will put us to MyLo.

I suppose Vedith's role makes his targeters also something like self-target, am I right?

Which tbh is more likely if he’s scum. And then tonight we said it in our PT (me+you) which would imply that only we said it. Now maybe Creature realises this might implicate him and reduces the result by 2.

Two scum have died, makes perfect sense.

Yeah but it might actually be his role (although what use I see for it as scum is minimal. Perhaps visits?) and didn’t think to change the results.

Yesterday I got the result of four unique mentions the night before, today I got two unique mentions.

Oh, I guess it doesn't include player-to-mod communications.

Btw, Vedith:

I suppose Vedith's role makes his targeters also something like self-target, am I right?

I answered I thought?
I understand the role that I do what they do. Not make them a self target.

What do you think about DT targeting you every night?

Two scum have died, makes perfect sense.

It doesn't because there was no mention of you in my PT N1 but we both did N2.

From my experience, scum have agitated N1s but they drop afterwards, specially after a double scum lynch.

See I'm not even particularly doubting that you got 4 pings N1. I just think that's way more likely to happen if you're scum.

Why would I say my own name in the scumchat instead of using first person?

Quoting someone who said your name?

Not sure if that applies.

Well, my role specifies unique players that typed my name in any game related private communication.

I think it's literally (maybe ctrl+c ctrl+v being the exception).

So you think quoting would count?

I wouldn't count, but I can ask the mod.

Well, I'm not self-hammering.

Yeh it's DT + Over

because what the role does, doesn't really fit it's name.

I remember seeing plenty other roles that don't fit the name either.

This game is Stalin again

because creature knows i spew my partners really hard. i have like no interaction with over at all. for him to think i am scum with over over people like roster is just a scum claim

Didn't you directly CC Overkill?

was thinking how likely would scum!you CC your scumbuddy enough to make him change his claim, but you're saying it's very likely apparently.

In the PT N2 we mentioned:

-Me going softer on my Lich scumread
-Vedith assuming that Teacher dies because he thought Teacher got results
-I corrected this, and also said that A50 probably dies because it denies the result for that night.
-Mentioned that DT should maybe protect Vedith in future.

A50 died, which is the kill I would make if I were scum. I think Creature figured it was the right kill anyway, but reading our PT could have reasonably assured him that DT might not protect A50 as Vedith did not have the correct opinion on whether teacher gets results.

Now this post:

I answered I thought?
I understand the role that I do what they do. Not make them a self target.

What do you think about DT targeting you every night?

In our PT I directly mentioned this possibility. I feel like that might have stuck with Creature and caused him to make this suggestion as he knew Vedith might be amenable to suggesting it also since I had suggested it in our PT. This would neatly solve the problem of DT possibly protecting teacher for his next kill, so seems like something scum would suggest.

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I abandoned my anonymity N1. I don’t think DT would have told me his role if I didn’t reveal.

It fits because you’re a PT watcher. N1 you didn’t choose me so you had no idea how many mentions. Hence why it’s wrong. You haven’t been able to explain the mechanical point which means Schizoprenic is not possible for you.

I also feel like town Creature gets incredibly angry at the fact that he’s about to lose partly because of a weird mechanical thing, instead of soft-accepting it. .

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Interrogator is not a townie-looking role IMO.

Yeah but you have the mafia PT to buffer things. Problem is N1 you banked on that too much.

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Yeah game has just stalled. We have all the info - Creature is scum.

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Yeah we didn't really deserve that win. Well played Creature . I can't believe you guessed correctly.

Sorry about the hammer DT, but people were convincing me.

Very interesting set though. I do think that replacing the tough guy with a goon or something might have made it balanced. Also having PT watcher be a thing would've been cool.