Mini 2065 - Access Point [Endgame]

[insomnia]

Other possible information shots. I don't think Locke has much equity to be AP'd but has consesus reads. DT has similar reads if I was considered for AP.

DDL agreed so what on me and DT and I'm willing to take the shot to get town into the AP.

So I guess I'm just saying shooting RC's slot isn't the only option.

Can you explain what you meant in here, RCE?

[insomnia]

Sorry, I don’t want this to be a cross-interrogation or what it’s called :p

[insomnia]

We could go for a DT shot even today if the vigs agree

[insomnia]

I’m confident in my scum reads, the discrepancy is on your slot, you’re more of a filler

DT and Locke I’m fine with shooting because I think they are scum

Trying to think if it would be a good information shot if we hit town though

[insomnia]

I’m confident in my scum reads, the discrepancy is on your slot, you’re more of a filler

DT and Locke I’m fine with shooting because I think they are scum

Trying to think if it would be a good information shot if we hit town though

DT and Roster* Yikes sry

[insomnia]

I’m going to go to sleep now, hopefully Anka gets hammered by the time I wake up

[insomnia]

Ok, I re-read everything and if vigs will yolo while I’m sleeping, here are my final scum read for like 8 hours until I wake up and then I’ll find something else most likely

Locke (if he flips scum) > Roster (if he also flips scum) > DT

[insomnia]

Just send Anka in, unless somebody objects to that, I don't see why we wouldn't send her.

[insomnia]

Honestly, if you're scum, you're a scum god.

You're town 99%. Even me, the paranoid cuck believes that.

[insomnia]

My town read consists of LabRat's game play and her replace out, as well as the townie vibe from her posts. Sorry. I don't need to read your scum game to realise your slot is town read no matter who replaces.

Not saying you're not acting town as well, but the confidence in my read is mostly based on LabRat rather than Ankamius.

[insomnia]

Would you want me sent into the AP?

[insomnia]

VOTE: Ankamius
labrat's push for insomnia felt genuine and I've liked Ankamius so far so I'm fine with this.

Also I believe Insomnia, did you suggested vigs shoot me? Not inherently opposed to idea but what information would it really give town?

RCE said it clears Rui if you would be shot.

My post was saying if vigs wanted to yolo, then they should shoot you, then roster and then DT. It was a gamble, given that this game looks like a town win. Vigs should holster though xD

[insomnia]

I basically believe you're scum. That's why. I wouldn't shoot scum though because it gives no information, given that scums might be lurkers.

[insomnia]

Sorry how bad I’ve been about this game. BRVR is town, so I’ll just put my vote there.

VOTE: BRVR

[insomnia]

I'm also uneasy of the fact that there are two groups pushing for two different people : One group is pushing rui, the other's pushing Ankamius.

[insomnia]

UNVOTE: Ankamius [/vote]

I have to rethink.

[insomnia]

UNVOTE:

[insomnia]

Locke, are you fine with Rui being sent into the AP today?

I don't like RC trying to derail this ankamius lynch to induce paranoia. She should come off as town, especially the labrat spot.

When I've mentioned active players and said stuff like "Why do I feel like this game's lost" nobody said anything about it, but when I'm voting ankamius, people start doubting themselves.

RCE, why do you prefer Rui over Ankamius?

[insomnia]

RCE*

[insomnia]

VOTE: Ankamius

Nah this is town. I don't buy crap. Stop trying to induce paranoia / derail. Ankamius, vote for yourself and do us all a favour before RCE makes us doubt your obvtown slot.

[insomnia]

Not ok with sending insomnia regardless of your flip.

Why not? I must say I've been quite town lately, what's your reason for scum reading me, especially if roster were to flip town? I'm pushing a consensus lynch and you're the only one who's trying to push Rui into the AP. Ankamius should be obvtown to anyone. If you're scum reading me, who are my mates?

I don't like you in this post and your latest posts as well. You said "what if lurkers aren't scum" , then you say "this game doesn't need to be hard" and then "I keep thinking to myself, what if scum aren't lurkers".

[insomnia]

Thoughts on RCE, anka?

[insomnia]

RCE, you were also advocating an Alisae push. What happened in the meantime? Why Rui over Ankamius or Alisae?

[insomnia]

Ankamius is at L-2.

[insomnia]

L-1

Send her home, ladies and gents

[insomnia]

So vig me, send Rui. The survivor of Anka/Alisae goes through day 3. Gg wp.

.

[insomnia]

Cool with me taking a vig so you start listening to RC?

Of the alive I townread RC, Rui, insomnia/DT, Locke in that order. If RC doesn't want to be in the AP with nsg send rui, that's fine with me.

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[insomnia]

You’ve advocated for Rui and you were willing to get shot and even stated it numerous times, now you think she’s scum?

[insomnia]

Add RCE to the list of people we’re never sending into AP

[insomnia]

Not ok with sending insomnia regardless of your flip.

Why not? I must say I've been quite town lately, what's your reason for scum reading me, especially if roster were to flip town? I'm pushing a consensus lynch and you're the only one who's trying to push Rui into the AP. Ankamius should be obvtown to anyone. If you're scum reading me, who are my mates?

I don't like you in this post and your latest posts as well. You said "what if lurkers aren't scum" , then you say "this game doesn't need to be hard" and then "I keep thinking to myself, what if scum aren't lurkers".

I don't think you're scum but if you think you're a good AP choice you're mental man, regardless of alignment unless you are 100% sure the other 2 we've sent are town.

You weren't willing to conftown NSG so I see that as highly unlikely. Even I keep doubting myself. I will say if there is an active scum it's within you/Rui and it could go either way I guess.

So we just get into LyLo, as long as I’m town, what does it matter?

Why aren’t you questioning Rui’s capabilities in LyLo? From what I remember, I’ve been here longer than her, unless she’s an alt.

[insomnia]

You’ve advocated for Rui and you were willing to get shot and even stated it numerous times, now you think she’s scum?

Are you gonna ignore this?

[insomnia]

You vote you, but I don't think Ank is town, and unless someone gives a damn convincing case, I'm going to keep thinking that.
The reason I have so few posts is because I was so turned off by the utter spamposting d1 and quite frankly d2 as well.

You don’t read Labrat’s rep out as town? At all? Yet you tr Rui?

Anka, keep the damn vote.

[insomnia]

Rui said Anka should vote for herself

Alisae said she’ll probably end up voting Ankamius

What’s holding you back?

[insomnia]

You said you are ok if they are both pushing it, now you say you need vigs?

I’ll see this thread tomorrow, TGP just shoot me please as I’m not being sent in the AP anyway and just vote Ankamius already. This is madness.

[insomnia]

Yeah if we had to shoot somebody i'd probably shoot me or RosterFoster or another inactive poster. I'm just very useless right now cuz... i'm usually useless. That vote on me is really weird i'm most likely scum if scum are lurkers. I'm just really unsatisfied by my lack of good posts. I haven't really contributed to anything except agreeing with common reads i think? Anyways i'm gonna VOTE: Rui Rui based on Roster's bad vote on me. Rui Rui was gonna be sent tomorrow right? I'll explain what i'm thinking tomorrow if the day ends while i'm sleeping.

Why not Ankamius?

[insomnia]

Roster is a bit scummy to me and I wouldn't vote with them. Why not Rui then you/RCE tomorrow? Both plans work well and we'll still win.

You don't want to send someone on a mission just because roster voted for them?

Roster voted for me as well. Why don't you object to me being sent?

[insomnia]

Not hilarious, just sad.

[insomnia]

Now that the Lorge normal is over...yeah probably. Can I vote Rui again?

I don’t even want to talk about that lmao

[insomnia]

Ank why am I voting for RuiRui to be AP’d instead of you?

+1

[insomnia]

why are we AP'ing anka, tbh

This is exactly why

[insomnia]

I don’t like that there are too many people sending Rui in AP but not Anka

Why do I feel like Rui’s push is scum driven and townies are bandwagoning

[insomnia]

I have a quest for people that want to send Rui on AP:

1) State your reasons for voting Rui
2) Compare the two slots and explain how LabRat’s rep out isn’t townier than anything Rui has done so far
3) Doesn’t it make you feel strange that Rui is being universally town read?

[insomnia]

She’s following the lurking vig’s reads.

[insomnia]

I think pushing you through today makes scum shoot Rui every time. Whereas they make a suboptimal kill the other way around. And the town path is still in tact even in the event you are the nightkill with Rui being AP'd instead.

Is killing Ankamius suboptimal? How so?

[insomnia]

I’m sticking with my Anka vote thanks

[insomnia]

Ew

[insomnia]

I strongly doubt the team is locke/insomnia/DT

So at least 1-2 scum are on that wagon

I am pretty certain I have the 3 scum pegged

AP Rui and then Alisae tomorrow

VOTE: RuiRui

Have some explaining to do captain

[insomnia]

Insom

Are you scum?

Your call

[insomnia]

Insom

Are you scum?

I think your reads revolve around this post

Or maybe I’m just 2iq

[insomnia]

You think scum will push their scum bud through on day 3 or what

[insomnia]

Oh I see what your plan is I think

If I’m thinking what you’re thinking, how come sending Rui today makes sense rather than sending you?

The nk will confirm our beliefs if we send you.

And then we push through with one of them 2 slots that hopefully we both have in mind

[insomnia]

Oh wait Alisae makes much more sense

VOTE: Alisae

[insomnia]

Don’t talk about it, maybe scum are clueless.

[insomnia]

I’ll tell you tomorrow what will happen based on the nk

Just vote Alisae and if you didn’t catch on it, I’ll explain

[insomnia]

Don't know if we are in the same page or not theory wise.

I'm fine with alisae or Rui. Gonna ghost the thread till vigs remember it's here.

I can tell we’re not

[insomnia]

I don’t think I’m on the same page as you either lol

[insomnia]

This game has an 80% of perfect win

20% lylo

Definitely not subjective analysis

[insomnia]

I'm pretty sure I have a different view of what's going on but the Leven of paranoia it gives me is a small blip if anything

It ends in the same place anyways

Yeah, you do.

Me and Alisae are on the same page.

[insomnia]

I'ma be that one guy and say that I don't think our vigs are going to add anything that we don't already know tbh.

+1

[insomnia]

Yeah but them at least acknowledging what we are doing could help make sure the game isn't derailed tomorrow, no?

Huh

[insomnia]

Tbh, I don’t even think they know what we’re doing

And us revealing what we’re doing this day phase would give clues to maf as well

[insomnia]

Alisae, you have to give me the town leader role as I’m the only one that understands what we’re doing heheheh

(This is if we’re sending you to AP)

[insomnia]

Ye you can have your 15mins of fame, I'm okay with that.

Oof was hoping for more

[insomnia]

What if the nk isn’t what we believe it will be? Do I push the nk we believe will occur but didn’t hypothetically occur? Lmao

[insomnia]

Aight chief

Hope I don’t fuck up and we’re actually on the same page

[insomnia]

@Anka vote Alisae please and we’ll cap at L-2 for a bit

[insomnia]

L-2

Lmk if you catch on the plan

[insomnia]

Zzzzzzz...

[insomnia]

Can we just shoot DT

[insomnia]

Having 2 conftowns not say shit is even worse, I’m losing interest in playing this game

[insomnia]

Was talking bout vigs but

[insomnia]

Are we ever sending Alisae or do we all just rep out

[insomnia]

Can vigs vote because scum don’t want to vote with town and send town on ap? Thanks

[insomnia]

Who's hammering?

[insomnia]

VOTE: Alisae

That's a fake

[insomnia]

there you go

[insomnia]

Can someone hammer already so we can move on, this is painful

[insomnia]

In Town of Salem, vig always shoots confirmed jailor or mayor

200iq

Let’s shoot Alisae lul

[insomnia]

okay if I actually had sway in this game and being halfway through it, I kinda think optimal play would be to access point Ank slot today and then vig insomnia d3 and on a scumflip turbo vote Alisae for mission

but that's probably being overly cautious

Shoot me now, fuck it

[insomnia]

I’ll give you the map to victory

[insomnia]

Ap Alisae

If Rui dies tomorrow it means scum wanted a really strong town read to get out of the game, doesn’t matter if that means her getting AP’d or her dying to a nk

And then by VCA you check all Rui voters and see where they’ll vote tomorrow

If Rui’s alive, high chance she’s scum, just send Ankamius

Ezclap shoot me I’m outtie yeet

[insomnia]

Go on random.org and randomly shoot, that’ll make it more enjoyable I feel like

[insomnia]

Ap Alisae

If Rui dies tomorrow it means scum wanted a really strong town read to get out of the game, doesn’t matter if that means her getting AP’d or her dying to a nk

And then by VCA you check all Rui voters and see where they’ll vote tomorrow

If Rui’s alive, high chance she’s scum, just send Ankamius

Ezclap shoot me I’m outtie yeet

This was the plan for tomorrow that me and Alisae were talking about

[insomnia]

That’s why RCE and Ank were not on the same page as me and Alisae

Rui’s being universally town read which makes me puke

But when we start a new wagon, people don’t feel like sending Alisae

Rui needs to be kept alive in order for us to figure scum. That’s why I didn’t agree with Ank and RCE.

If Rui stays alive tomorrow, she’s 90% scum and her scum mates pushed her from today.

If Rui is town, she’ll die tomorrow, which proves my theory that she was being pushed by scum either way because she’s being universally town read and scum want to get rid of her by any means.

[insomnia]

but my theory also depends on you being scum so...

Yeah I’m not dumb, I’ve legit quoted your post and said that.

[insomnia]

Is there more to it?

[insomnia]

I don’t think all scum were on her wagon, that’s why i’m not pointing fingers. It’s bs to believe that. I don’t even think all scums were on it. I think townies went for the consensus and they were willing to send her way too quickly.

[insomnia]

Is there more to it?

mhmm
its amazing how easy it is to catch scum just by reading the gamestate

[insomnia]

Are you joking me? You want him to send the both of his scum buddies on AP and the post-flip is what matters to you? When RC is the only scum flip? Lmao

who's the second scum buddy you think, insomnia

If you let RC live day 2, his push will tell you who the second buddy is

My whole scenario was this:

I went from the premise that RC is town. RC pushes town NSG.

If RC doesn't get nked, we're letting RC push a second town read. When that town read reaches L-1 or L-2, we dayvig RC to prove he was town and he didn't send scum!NSG on AP in the first day. If he flips town, we're pushing through with his town read, sending his town read to PT with town!NSG that has been confirmed after RC flips.

This is an infallible scenario and the person we send on day 3 doesn't matter. That person gets lynched in the AP PT. Please point out how this strategy is shit.

And also explain why RC doesn't want to push through with this simple yet effective plan. I wonder why he doesn't want to flip, hmmmm

this is a good post

insomnia I see where you're coming from when you're not being aggressive/taunting

Is my plan finally being acknowledged?

It’s too late now

[insomnia]

It seems like I’m always not getting the nks.

Why was DDL shot instead of Rui?

What did he do to get nked?

Did he town read someone? Rui was being town read by a lot more people.

I sometimes don’t get the nks in this game

[insomnia]

I think I found my newbie
I am going to raise you proud and loud boy

Oh yes let’s make a hydra

[insomnia]

It seems like I’m always not getting the nks.

I can see a world where you get shot if ur town

I’m just honest

I don’t get the NKs

[insomnia]

TGP also advocates rui getting APd

[insomnia]

Honestly, if we don’t send people because other people are more inclined to confbias someone, that’s their fault and not ours.

This logic is faulty for the simple reason that you are ignoring your town reads and you are forced to choose from a pool that you’re not fine with sending into the AP. Therefore, chances of sending scum increase by a bit.

[insomnia]

unfortunately
there isn't any scenareo where insomnia gets AP"d





except 1
but he's gonna have to work for it.

I’m lazy

[insomnia]

GL, everyone that was fine with sending RC on day one suddenly stopped believing that.

Nobody’s pushing an Alisae vote. The votes are set by scum and town in between Ankamius and Rui.

We’re being forced into a coin flip. Think outside the box.

RC has a beef with me and is always wrong on my alignment. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. He always ends up confbiasing me and therefore every person that defends me.

RC is honestly overrated.

You can’t solve games Day 1, that’s total bullshit

[insomnia]

I don’t want to be sent. This AP is bad for the simple reason you have NSG and Ank as locktown.

If I’m sent and DT and Roster flip scum, it will heavily incriminate me and if the game goes to LyLo, I’m the easiest mislynch in history, probably won’t even end up in the AP and I get instantly hammered.

[insomnia]

Heavily dependant on flips.

I have 2 scum lurkers who say “Insomnia is town”, those being Roster and DT. I’m goodie in here, game solving.

[insomnia]

If this game ends up in LyLo with nsg/me/ank

You do realise you’re basically telling the both of them “You’re conftown, third’s a filler, just lynch them”

Especially if that’s me, the person that has at least one scum town reading me for no reason.

[insomnia]

I guess if everyone goes for this formation, I’ll have to be nked, otherwise it would be a stomp that the scum is taking.

And if I’m nked, Rui will be a way easier read.

I dunno, your pick, just take into account what I’ve said.

[insomnia]

If I’m not getting nked tonight, scum is most likely in the AP already. Or will be.

[insomnia]

GL, you don’t understand my point.

You’re going from the premise that this never goes in LyLo. And then I say, what IF it does? You do realise by posting stuff like “Who out of NSG / Ank would ever be scum” you’re already pointing fingers to the third person IF if goes into LyLo.

The town that will be there will be inclined to lynch me and scum just has to hammer.

I’m raising a hypothetical scenario in which we end up in LyLo with a NSG/Ank/Insomnia formation.

And then I’m saying I’m town. You’re locking the other two persons as town, when I know I’m town.

IF we do get to LyLo, I’m lynched. There’s no doubt in my mind.

Fuck it, if we end up in LyLo then scum deserves this.

Let’s send Ank and the nk will tell us more.

[insomnia]

insomnia I'm curious what's changed between before when you really wanted me pushed into the AP and now?

You’re scum reading me when your slot repped out because people didn’t tr me.

You also wanted Rui sent.

I don’t fucking know. My scenario works best fmpov. We send Alisae and the NK tells us who we’re sending tomorrow.

GL, getting back at my thing. My whole point is you probably should give a harder time for the people in AP if it ends up in LyLo, rather than distorting the reality of events and give them a way easier time if you were to send me. People in the Ap will insta lynch me. If you send someone harder to read, there is a chance we win in LyLo. If you’re sending me, you’re giving scum the easiest win. That’s my point.

[insomnia]

insomnia if we AP'd Alisae and Ank died, who would you want to send in?

Definitely not Rui, it would be harder for me to sort, but we’ll have to send in the towniest lurker.

This all requires a lot more thinking which is a drag, but I’ll do it.

[insomnia]

Thing is you don’t even have to work for anything, your slot’s rep out has done the job for you. You don’t have to execute anything.

[insomnia]

Assuming you’re scum

[insomnia]

Who’s “town” for you?

[insomnia]

Because from my PoV and from a lot more people, that “town” slot day 3 will be the hardest to send. Why are you saying you have to earn NSG’s trust?

The slot day 3 will be so fucking scummy regardless of who it is that it’s probably getting lynched regardless if this goes to LyLo ( if we go NSG/Ank + filler)

[insomnia]

Who’s “town” for you?

This plan only is really necessary if I have to carry the scumteam

and with how the gamestate is, that's extraordinarily likely

What plan, we still have to send someone on day 3

[insomnia]

Don’t do that shit

[insomnia]

If we lose just blame GL

Viable strat

VOTE: Ankamius

[insomnia]

If NSG is scum, you’re giving the third slot not a single chance if we send Ankamius.

Hope you’re right on NSG being town.

[insomnia]

Whatever, just vote Ank.

[insomnia]

If I get nked send Alisae

[insomnia]

Whatever, just vote Ank.

I literally solves 100% based around me being AP'd

If Ank survives night and gets AP'd, that outs her.
If RuiRui survives night and gets AP'd with a COUNTERPUSH, that is town. If there is no counterpush and its just dead air, she's scum.
If Insomnia talks down from APing Town!RuiRui and then is AP'd, if that goes to LyLo, he's scum.

These were my solves that would be created from APing me today.

I know this, but what can you do?

[insomnia]

i think fundamentally none of you all want to be the third AP and I'm just more scared of scum!Alisae than scum!Ank

but someone's gotta do it

Wrong, nobody wants to be sent third in a NSG/Ank formation.

[insomnia]

Let’s vig roster

[insomnia]

Yeah

[insomnia]

Roster can you stop posting please

[insomnia]

it's okay you don't have anything to apologize for you've done nothing wrong

i've enjoyed this game and all of your contributions to it

scumreading you is never a personal/dislike thing and honestly i was never truly bonafide scumreading you this game anyway

just trying to not get careless and throwaway a solid gamestate to someone who's really good at scum, that's all

You wut fam so why didn’t you back me up on the plan???

[insomnia]

I just want to send one of Alisae/Ank already and move on

Now that you mentioned scum don’t have day chat

This game is exponentially easier, BRVR / DT / roster have little to no chemistry at all.

It’s a stomp just send Ank, scum don’t even have a strategy for today

DT isn’t the type to come with strategies, although he thinks about them, I want to say that he isn’t the one mentioning them

Roster I have no intel on

BRVR for some reason I feel like she could come up with a plan but with her lack of activity I don’t think she mentioned it

We win 90% of the time here.

We’re wasting time.

[insomnia]

Actually can we not send Insomnia.

Yus

[insomnia]

This game’s fun

[insomnia]

The only thing I’ve noticed with Momo is that he doesn’t want Rui ap’d just like Locke

[insomnia]

I think I’ve found a new scum tell that I’ll keep for myself

[insomnia]

No

[insomnia]

VOTE: Ankamius

VOTE: Ankamius

VOTE: Ankamius

VOTE: Ankamius

Bless gn

[insomnia]

Momo just send Ank right now

Trekkie hello, what do you think about sending Ank on a mission ?

[insomnia]

UNVOTE: Ankamius

You wut

[insomnia]

GL I think roster and brvr are playing wifom and think they are killproof

I would’ve loved to call their bluff and shoot them both kappa

[insomnia]

I’m mafia god

[insomnia]

I’m basically kill proof

If I even request getting vigged I won’t get shot

Because our vigs are thinking they are agents for some reason

I’m playing the same card as scum rn

Anyone can claim they want to get shot and it’s never going to happen

[insomnia]

I think GL needs to risk and shoot

Let’s put me, DT, roster and Brvr in random.org

And then we figure out the shots

Let’s add some spice to this game

[insomnia]

It’s a 25% chance let’s goooooooo

[insomnia]

Insomnia why do you want to get shot?

Vig =/= agent

They have to shoot

Otherwise what’s their point

People are way too scared to perform their action

It’s like having a doc in a newbie not doing anything or a cop

If you can do something, just do it

If we shoot lurkers and they flip town than that tells us there’s at least 1 active player that’s scum

[insomnia]

We aren’t progressing with our wincon

We’re wasting time

Vig doesn’t do shit

We can’t reach a consensus

Chances of me dying are 25% can’t die won’t die let’s go

I like to take risks if that makes vig fucking shoot already

[insomnia]

Insomnia why do you want to get shot?

Vig =/= agent

They have to shoot

Otherwise what’s their point

People are way too scared to perform their action

It’s like having a doc in a newbie not doing anything or a cop

If you can do something, just do it

If we shoot lurkers and they flip town than that tells us there’s at least 1 active player that’s scum

While I clearly agree with this notion (I stated it in the post right before yours) I don't think town would want themselves to be shot.

I'm assuming that you have someone other than yourself you would like to be shot. Who is that? What are your opinions on the idea that shooting Alisae provides the most information?

That’s a plan that I came up with since day one, I just don’t give a fuck at this point

Too late now

I like your thought process but people like me and you are hated cuz we hurt people’s feelings what can we do

[insomnia]

Call mbaki, Creature’s here

[insomnia]

Insomnia why do you want to get shot?

Vig =/= agent

They have to shoot

Otherwise what’s their point

People are way too scared to perform their action

It’s like having a doc in a newbie not doing anything or a cop

If you can do something, just do it

If we shoot lurkers and they flip town than that tells us there’s at least 1 active player that’s scum

While I clearly agree with this notion (I stated it in the post right before yours) I don't think town would want themselves to be shot.

I'm assuming that you have someone other than yourself you would like to be shot. Who is that? What are your opinions on the idea that shooting Alisae provides the most information?

That’s a plan that I came up with since day one, I just don’t give a fuck at this point

Too late now

I like your thought process but people like me and you are hated cuz we hurt people’s feelings what can we do

Because this game is somehow supposed to play with emotion and not with brains...? Duuh pretty obvious no?

[insomnia]

Ur speaking to no one who cares
One vig posts every now and then (but when he does post its really good)
The other is probably getting replaced

I personally just want to see a dead momo tbh if we’re shooting people only because by joining this game, he literally sucked my enjoymen you of it, and now he’s trying to get me shot based on the idea that it’ll solve a game but not even saying what that solve is.

His plan is exactly what I came up with day one

And when you repped in you didn’t want to get shot for the same reason RC didn’t want to get shot.

Which makes no sense, you’re basically helping to reach a wincon.

I just don’t care at this point, so just avoid this and send Ank and gg wp

[insomnia]

I'm getting really close to just parking my vote on myself and leaving the thread

Do it please

[insomnia]

If creature’s town he probably has a chance of 90% to have all scum in his town reads

[insomnia]

UNVOTE:

[insomnia]

VOTE: Ankamius

How dare you

[insomnia]

Are you trying to get town cred

[insomnia]

5 people wanted to be shot

Think all of them are town?

Just because you are getting stomped, a request to end your suffering doesn’t make you town

[insomnia]

What does town cred get me when I've been trying to get shot all game? Zzz

Town wouldn't be asking for themselves to be shot if they still cared.

Town would be trying to get Ali shot because either way, her flip gives us the most information.

Why don't you people get it. In this setup, town has inherently less information. The AP format means that we need information in the case of LyLo. We need to do this for information.

It's simple setup design. Given the fact that Ali the current modfather and doesn't see this makes me scum lean eir more.

This man makes a lot of sense, it’s sad we’ve got everyone opposing this plan

Feelsbadman

[insomnia]

VOTE: Ankamius

See ya day 3 fellas

[insomnia]

Yup

[insomnia]

Ank let us know if we lost k?

[insomnia]

If that's the hammer and not the endgame, I believe NSG is town. RC would want to town NSG regardless of his alignment.

Day 3, we vig the RC/Ali/Random Replace in slot. If they flip town, we win LyLo.

If they flip scum, we send me to LyLo to win the game.

[insomnia]

Alisae's vote on Ank is not good. Completely ignoring discussion to push this. Unvote if your vote is on Ank please.

@RCEnigma

: I am town, but if that's what it takes to vig Ali, yes. Frankly, even conf!scumming me as town works for town. If Ali flips as town, we send Ank to AP as e wanted and win the game anyways.

If Ali's scum, I don't get conf!scummed and I'm correct.

Either way, since my plan with Ali does not hinge on myself getting APd, I am fine with your suggestion.

This is assuming that RC/Labrat were scum together and set up their 1v1 double rep out. If not and you think it's just Alisae then you would just AP Anka.

Getting yourself confscummed as town doesn't help us either way and isn't how I would want the shot used.

But think if it's a town flip. Ank and NSG are conf!town and win the game.

If the flip is scum, this basically conf!towns me and insomnia. We go to LyLo and win the game.

I don't understand why this is bad.

He died for this to happen.

You decide if you wanna proceed with the plan, vigs.

[insomnia]

insomnia who do you want to AP today?

I'll have to wait for people's votes / opinions before giving my reads.

[insomnia]

I believe we should still follow the plan. Remember, I came up with that plan way before momo has and he's town. That proves it's not scum driven.

[insomnia]

Zzzzzzz...

[insomnia]

What are the chances Rui was instructed on what posts to make day one so she gets town read

[insomnia]

VOTE: Insomnia

I won’t be wagonned, look

[insomnia]

I’ve made the plan way before momo has come up with the idea. Remember, you picked on it and said it was a shit strat. Well, you’re pushing the person that I wanted vigged in my strat.

I also don’t like your certainty in things, how are you so certain about everything?

I feel like you’re pushing your buddy through. You had so many town reads that you were willing to send, why Gif specifically?

[insomnia]

I think the momo kill was made in order for him not to be able to follow through with my plan, especially knowing I would’ve backed him up on that.

[insomnia]

I townread labrat independent of the replace out at the end - ank was saying she doesn't want to be ap'd just because of the replace out

I don't think this is a lose, I'm townreading NSG + Ank and I believe they can make the right call if a lylo situation occurs, also there are many people I am find with sending so I think we can win without the lylo

Who are those people and where does your confidence come from?

[insomnia]

Fair point

[insomnia]

But what if there is 1 scum already in the PT? Wanna risk holstering?

[insomnia]

I have a family emergency...I won’t be as active as I was, you guys got this. I won’t be online as often as I normally am, I don’t want to rep out as this is the last day, vigs got this

[insomnia]

There were 3 people in your slot, all of them including yourself refused to get shot.

Your slot pushed NSG into the AP + NSG was already defending herself in regards to my plan saying “RC’s flip doesn’t have any impact on my alignment” meaning if he flips scum she’d still be town. If she town read RC, why’d she say that?

My paranoia isn’t baseless. Your slot, 3 fucking people btw, refused a mechanical plan that helps to ensure we aren’t sending scum in the PT. It’s honestly a simple plan and it is logical. Momo was shot for trying to go through with the plan.

Day 1 at the beginning of the day, RC said “ i pck someone go to the ap, that person gets sent and I’m shot so we can prove my push wasn’t scum driven” yet when he pushed NSG and literally everybody else, he refused his own plan.

Explain how my paranoia is baseless.

[insomnia]

dealing with a family emergency.

Oh the irony @insomnia

Can we vig creature?

[insomnia]

I still think GuyInFreezeer is town - I think Momo was killed because they couldn't kill both me and GuyinFreezer

?????????

They had two chances of killing the both of you, what are you talking about

[insomnia]

Harro

[insomnia]

Oh 2006 damn we won

Now we just have to wait for Cephrir to catch up and ezwin

[insomnia]

I’m patient

[insomnia]

If yoy don’t plan to catch up then the plan is simple

Just vote me :p

[insomnia]

I’m just complimenting him so we can end the game already

[insomnia]

You're just gonna look stupid if he's scum.

Who did you replace again? DT?

[insomnia]

Oof

[insomnia]

If yoy don’t plan to catch up then the plan is simple

Just vote me :p

I plan to catch up

Your sig says otherwise

[insomnia]

I think Creature is for sure mafia along with Trekkie

Insomnia is making me really nervous here, I'm not okay with sending them after all

Of course you’re not okay with sending me

[insomnia]

VOTE: Insomnia

This is 100% town.

an improvement, unfortunately

Vig shoots roster tomorrow and post-flip it'll confirm it wasn't a scum bud push.

i've never seen anyone get this excited about one townread

god, rc games are so irritating to read
/10

Ikr, it only gets “better”

[insomnia]

VOTE: insomnia

I see you are a man of culture as well

[insomnia]

when i initially read on a recent page the thing about RC changing his mind about being dayvigged, I thought "this is a great point, we should burn RC with fire"

now that i'm reading it in action it feels like a big misrep

Not you too

[insomnia]

How can you misrep a vig shot

[insomnia]

My mechanical play is still the best plan and RC being skeptical about it after he was the one to point it out is suspicious.

You’re talking about Rc, Alisae, GIF all not wanting to get shot. Wouldn’t a town want to get shot if they knew they are contributing to the progression of town’s wincon by a lot?

[insomnia]

Right now, me, NSG and RC would be a great AP, except it's probably never going to happen.

weren't they both scum like 14 seconds ago?

I have an issue of going with the crowd’s opinion because nobody pushes through with my plans or ideas

I feel like I’m being ignored on purpose in all of my games

[insomnia]

You’re starting to get into my world, welcome

[insomnia]

note to self: RCE had better not be voting insomnia today

momo advocates vigging RCslot and gets nightkilled, seems fairly obvious we should vig that slot. if it flips town, we send ruirui no questions asked. right? sure maybe they're wifoming for this exact outcome, but then just lynch them in lylo whatever

I’ll ask you this : Rui was a universal town read on day 1. Only I have expressed that I wouldn’t like Rui in the AP.

She’s alive on day 3 despite being universally town read. How does that make you feel in regards to her slot?

[insomnia]

You’re the vig not us

[insomnia]

It's definitely not better to aim for scum, we have no reason to shoot scum

Cephrir, it's ok to shoot at me if you can guarantee that guyinfreezer gets in, I'm nervous about Insomnia because of the way he's being pushed in today. I'd be most comfortable if Guiltylion took the shot because I feel you are less likely to let insomnia make it into the AP

I don’t get the bolded line at all

[insomnia]

No like why should GL take the shot and not cephrir?

[insomnia]

Ohhhhh does vig die if he shoots town?

Now I gwt it

[insomnia]

So Rui wants to die to send a scum bud and lose the game for town

I see

[insomnia]

Optimal play : Shoot RC and send rui if anything

[insomnia]

If Rui is scum why would she want to reveal her alignment to send people to AP?

Optimal play : Shoot RC and send rui if anything

[insomnia]

Why are you so scared to flip?

[insomnia]

No, I believe Rui is one of the players that’s more likely to send people into the AP because those people say : “Rui is conftown, we’re pushing rui into the ap”

But it never ended up happening

If you are so sure she flips town, why aren’t you voting for her?

[insomnia]

So, without being a dick

Rui is town

Gif scum

VOTE: Rui

[insomnia]

Why are you so scared to flip?

More like worried tbh.

I thought I explained this pretty well.

Objectively speaking, you shouldn’t be alive rn

[insomnia]

No, I believe Rui is one of the players that’s more likely to send people into the AP because those people say : “Rui is conftown, we’re pushing rui into the ap”

But it never ended up happening

If you are so sure she flips town, why aren’t you voting for her?

If you are asking me this question, that means you did not read my posts.

I’ve read it, but you have contradicted yourself

You said they are both town but then you say “I don’t want to be shot and I want to be sent because if there is a scum I am better in LyLo”

This argument carries no weight. You also doubt mechanical play. That’s a fat scum ping.

I don’t like 3 people not being okay with getting shot

If you so town read Rui why don’t you want her to be sent?

You said you’d get shot “for the memes” if you have someone you can put your trust in

Out of all these people here you don’t trust anybody? I doubt that.

You are saying “If Rui was scum...” -> you think rui is town

You have someone you can put your trust in, at least that’s what coming from your posts

But in reality, your actions speak louder than your words. Your self vote is disgusting.

[insomnia]

Shoot Gif, watch him flip scum

[insomnia]

Also your "mechanical play" is basically "shoot scum player"

Yes

[insomnia]

All the people on my wagon vote rui and let’s end this

[insomnia]

First, shoot Gif and when he flips scum

Shoot RCE

[insomnia]

Do you ever listen to me? No.

This is what fucking happens.

I won’t even play the game anymore.

You all are refusing mechanical play and look at this.