911: What's Your Emergency? (Postgame)
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I’m hungry but I ate all my food already. HelpIn post 21, Elbirn wrote:Nono you're supposed to tell me what your emergency is. Baezu, Tris, please pay attention. Let's try again.
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sorry i fell asleep on thursday and had a bit of a big night last night, and woke up a bit hungover. reading rn
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im glad to see so familiar faces in this game, looking forward to playing with everyoneIn post 297, Enigma wrote:sorry i fell asleep on thursday and had a bit of a big night last night, and woke up a bit hungover. reading rn
just a quick note on that -
gl's vote on me is a bit meh and pointless. you've played with me before, and should know im typically active but sometimes i will disappear for a few days with prdodges then appear again bc of work ... this is quite different to lurking. and heads up i have some work travel over the next few weeks, so activity will be patchy here and there-
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so yes mafia seems to be a hydra of NotMafia and someone else ...
noting that the one other game they have on that hydra was trollytrolly with self-vote with a D1 lynch and then them flipping mafia, im not sure im keen for a vote on yesmafia rn:
1. they provide entertainment
2. shit associatives post flip
3. someone should cop/vig that shit-
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1. are you calling me/vizzy scum?In post 306, insomnia wrote:Logic : Get rid of one of the most active players, easily readable, can point out to scum buddies (Fuck yeah)
Get rid of one of the, if not THE one who has the lowest activity, has a lynch pool of 6 people, has 5 posts, votes for a no lynch then hops on suspicious people without giving content (Fuck no fam what are you, crazy?)
2. do you think you are easily readable? or acting townie this game?
3. what does lynching an inactive slot achieve in terms of next day scum hunting?-
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In post 309, insomnia wrote:
This is scum for trying to keep mislynch bait later on in the game, take notesIn post 307, Enigma wrote:
1. are you calling me/vizzy scum?In post 306, insomnia wrote:Logic : Get rid of one of the most active players, easily readable, can point out to scum buddies (Fuck yeah)
Get rid of one of the, if not THE one who has the lowest activity, has a lynch pool of 6 people, has 5 posts, votes for a no lynch then hops on suspicious people without giving content (Fuck no fam what are you, crazy?)
2. do you think you are easily readable? or acting townie this game?
3. what does lynching an inactive slot achieve in terms of next day scum hunting?In post 301, Enigma wrote:so yes mafia seems to be a hydra of NotMafia and someone else ...
noting that the one other game they have on that hydra was trollytrolly with self-vote with a D1 lynch and then them flipping mafia, im not sure im keen for a vote on yesmafia rn:
1. they provide entertainment
2. shit associatives post flip
3. someone should cop/vig that shit-
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nahhh im not, sorryIn post 323, ofrhz wrote:Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum
yes mafia (i.e. not_mafia) is lynch bait and people are voting him because of his terrible play style rather than motive in this game
insomnia
1. i dont tr him and i dislike the ym wagon
2. his hammer threat is meh ... you claim or i vote you wahh wahh is not helpful for town, especially against a player who is playing like yes mafia
3. i agree with rooster's argument on him
4. fundamentally disagree with him on the voting "mislynch bait" d1 is townie-
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no but more so, i cant see any town motivation for why he would try to force a role claimIn post 333, Elbirn wrote:Do you think scum-somnia would be so transparent about wanting to force role claims?-
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re YM
see here:
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=77984
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Yes Mafia (anonymous hydra)
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i realise i am usually prefer not to try to communicate my scum reads when its just a gut, so therefore, it might not make a lot of sense my read list and associativesIn post 346, skitter30 wrote:
these are kinda confusing given that your'e using associatives to justify townreads without explaining your reads on the people they have associatives withIn post 299, Enigma wrote:some initial townleads
ofrhz - meta
chicken - interactions with insomnia
tris - nothing specific, just general game play (and also 72)
maria - interactions with gl, particularly 173
thats enough on this list for now
what about chicken's interactions with insomnia are townie? why is 173 townie?
i know that enigma sometimes wont' post for a couple of days at a time from prior games; im not sure that the late entrance is inherently ai; what's more bothering me is that when he's here his posts are very lackluster.
from my catchup read, i sr gl and insomnia, and therefore tr the others based on their interactions and agreeing with their thoughts-
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no, but i like not seeing the trolly trolly wars NM gets into if it is himIn post 350, ofrhz wrote:
Is anyone entertained by yes mafia’s play this game?In post 301, Enigma wrote:so yes mafia seems to be a hydra of NotMafia and someone else ...
noting that the one other game they have on that hydra was trollytrolly with self-vote with a D1 lynch and then them flipping mafia, im not sure im keen for a vote on yesmafia rn:
1. they provide entertainment
2. shit associatives post flip
3. someone should cop/vig that shit
Serious question
Reason #1 is an interesting justification for keeping yes mafia around-
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yes, but i still think hes good quality when hes not screwing meIn post 366, ofrhz wrote:Didn’t you get really pissed off at not mafia for mislynching you in The Lab?
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mechanically, how does threatening to l-1 someone make sense? then what are you going to do when they claim? ohh nah lets not lynch them?In post 363, insomnia wrote:I sure like me some people that defend ObVtOwN like me, skitter’s good to keep around
Lynch pool for today is YM / Enigma.
Enigma, I’m a mechanical player. Your justification makes no sense. Mine does. OwO
we are not going down the path of lets l-1 claim then the next guy and next guy, it just makes it easier for scum to hunt prs.-
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i pretty much said in the post i havent figured out how to explain it yet, which is why in the first place i didn't really note itIn post 370, tris wrote:In post 358, Enigma wrote:
i sr gl
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ps: i remember when i called out the entire scumteam in lylo, and then you called me bad and said my reads were all wrong and that i was scum?In post 363, insomnia wrote:I sure like me some people that defend ObVtOwN like me, skitter’s good to keep around
Lynch pool for today is YM / Enigma.
Enigma, I’m a mechanical player. Your justification makes no sense. Mine does. OwO
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its a subtle hint that willingness to reassess your scum reads and actually listening to what other people say can be a productive thingIn post 385, insomnia wrote:What does that game have to do with any of this?-
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how is this post badIn post 381, Baezu wrote:Enigma- yikes! Now I see what insomnia was talking about...this post is scary (among others)-
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im not saying im a good player, im saying that you stubbornly refused to acknowledge someone else's logic or reasoning when it did not coincide with your ownIn post 390, insomnia wrote:Just because you late game found BuJ scum because he was voting you and then you could form associations based on that read it doesn’t make you a good player sry-
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here let me show you ...In post 391, insomnia wrote:Mechanically, killing someone that
1) Is not helping to progress with town wincon
2) Is helping the wincon of scum by being suspicious and easy lynch bait
Is the right play here.
You’re basically saying “he’s too scummy to not be town” which is faulty logic.
i agree with you:
1. yes i can see you reasoning behind why you would want to vote YM
2. someone like YM can be a liability later in the game
i argue that:
1. it is not a sustainable town strat just to lynch lynchbait
2. its easy for scum to jump on a town!lynchbait wagon and to defend themselves against it later in the game
3. it is much better use of a vig (or cop, but cop can have other better targets) to sort the role
i reject that:
1. im not saying hes too scummy to not be town - rather im saying you dont get any value out of d1 by tunnelling a lurker/troll and this does beneficial to town-
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1. if it is NM and he does actually decide to play, then he is entertaining to watch and idcIn post 394, insomnia wrote:Logic = makes sense
You are defending someone with 5 posts that votes for a no lynch at the beginning of the day and then has a 6 player lynch pool
Reasons for defending :
1) Provides entertainment. Where’s that entertainment? This isn’t a reason to keep someone around even if he was entertaining
2) shit associatives post-flip. I highly doubt that would be the case.
3) cop/vig should do our job instead of checking / shooting people that can’t be read. What a waste. I’ve explained a vig shot on him is useless, not sure this is how jester works, but the only scenario vig should shoot someone like YM would be if this was a jester setup.
You are refusing to vote someone that is preventing us from progressing. That’s why I scum read you.
Oh, that plus if he is town, it just proves you are scum who wanted to get merit points as they lacked content and probably will lurk half of the game.
There’s no reason to defend someone that isn’t even defending themselves. He has 5 posts, why are you going out of your way to defend him? If he was an active player with reads, then maybe I’d argue defending him would come off as natural, but...just why?
You’re helping to keep someone alive that will screw with town extra hard. That’s anti-town.
I guess this accusation is pointless if you don’t understand pure logical mechanics, so I’ll just end this rn
2. what associatives would you even get out of it - everyone could just throw a "he was being lynchbaity" and there is no dialogue or interactions from YM to prove otherwise
2.a) the only thing you'll get out of associatives will be me, and at this stage idc what YM flips because i don't even have a read on him
3. imo vigs, unless they are super good scum hunters, are a detriment to town and should just take safe shots like YM-
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this is badIn post 445, rosterfoster wrote:Btw one of the people who was really pushing the theory discussion (so Insomnia/Enigma/Elbirn) is scum. Scum wants that sort of thing to clutter the thread.
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people that defend you are more likely to know your alignment so your soft spot is poorly placed if you are townIn post 454, insomnia wrote:I’m trusting skitter because she defended me
I have soft spots for people that rub my back
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sorry i did see that i just havent had time these past few days to respondIn post 466, Elbirn wrote:
@EnigmaIn post 405, Elbirn wrote:
UNVOTE:In post 401, Enigma wrote:i think there is someone else i want to vote for now though, someone join me on this pls
VOTE: Baezu
Sell me
i found 381 curious. it felt forced and shallow to me. i.e. i feel that as town, you want to be finding reasons to tr people, and using those as associatives to read other players. as town, you want to have reasoning for your townreads - baezu did not, suggesting tmi.
her chain of thought between insomnia and myself is weird. like sring/voting insomnia, then suddenly agreeing with insomnia and voting me whilst also in the meantime not having changed her read on insomnia. like, i honestly would not think that insomnia vs me would be svs from an outside perspective - someone else can comment, but hey... (ftr, i actually tr insomnia and think hes just bad)
a few other things from reading her iso. her reads are jumping all over the place without any explanation
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maria being read as scum then town suddenly
her thinking there is one scum in volxen/invs/trix but not furthering this, despite her volxen and trix town town town just a few posts back
alop, i sr skitter and i see the interactions between skitter and baezu as awkward and potentially partners-
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also, i wanted to mention:In post 444, rosterfoster wrote:
Sorry but that family emergency business screwed up the wagon on Insomnia which would have got good reads. I am not comfortable voting someone who has RL issues D1.In post 381, Baezu wrote:I really don’t like this post from roster- he’s been tunneling insomnia the whole game if you look at his iso, it’s scummy
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maria's catchup makes me want to think she is town, but also leaves me head scratching because we have completely different reads. her stance on YM is probably why though
--In post 518, rosterfoster wrote:I'm also getting bad feels from how vigorously Skitter is defending Insomnia. Possible pocketing of Insomnia actually.this for some reason feels like a bus
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hi performer and NM. is NM not playing this game tho?
btw nice guess ofrhz on the hydra
tbh, i would argue nai. ive been busy. otherwise i agree quite a lot with the read list in that post.In post 567, Yes Mafia wrote:enig = the scumread on this slot is largely since his stalling posts as they reminded me of his scum game where he got to the end of ofrhz's hosted game. He's good at messing with people's associatives for the scum team
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i thought you were prododging?In post 575, insomnia wrote:
I hope you’ll still be alive to see how I carry this sorry lobby OwO(ftr, i actually tr insomnia and think hes just bad)-
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ive never said im good, im just saying youre badIn post 577, insomnia wrote:How does lynching lurkers = bad at the game
I bet you the first two people that you’ll lynch will be town
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hi skitter, i hope you're not scumIn post 471, skitter30 wrote:
do tellIn post 448, Enigma wrote:offerz help i dont tr skitter either
anyways
VOTE: skitter
im too lazy to make a proper case atm but here are some things:
1. skitter should be able to read me better, and town!skitter would put more effort in trying to sort me but isnt doing so
2. her posting is rather inoffensive and not probing, like shes just around but not really looking for a scum team (or trying to find my buddies, if she thinks im scum)
3. awkward interactions with people i also sr like rooster/baezu
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i kinda want to add gl to the scum pool, but cant read him due to not hereIn post 573, Enigma wrote:rn im feeling lynching between skitter, baezu and maybe rooster-
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ughh sorry skitter im not convinced you are town
btw, could be convinced on a baezu wagon but thats about it
what's your current read on me now that you've been trying to sort me. any questions for me so you can sort me better?In post 599, skitter30 wrote:enigma - i feel like most of his reasons for voting me aren't entirely fair or accurate; i've been sorting him by pointing out the things that i don't like in his play, and even voted him over them; i also think it's a little bit unreasonable to ding me at this stage for not trying to find a scumteam when we don't have any flips yet; i don't even believe in day1 pre-flip associatves and try not to scumhunt that way day1-
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agree this was pretty much the reaction i was expecting too.In post 609, ofrhz wrote:I don’t think a wall post readslist from skitter makes her townier
If anything, the fact that she’s at l-2 and not actively arguing with her townreads on her wagon to dismantle it is a sign that she’s not town. Skitter gets very annoyed if she gets mislynched as town and that’s not the reaction I’m seeing here
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ive seen this tone before, and thats when we wagoned her when she was scum and then it ended up dissipating and then she got her scummie afterwards ...In post 599, skitter30 wrote:idk if i particularly have it in me rn to fight this
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hi everyone
the speed of the baezu wagon is concerning, though probably better to look when we have a flip
baezu stands out to me because she pretty much ignored skitter all of d1 until it was obvious skitter was the lynch. theres also that vca thing that was mentioned at the end of d1.
from skitter's angle, skitter interacts with baezu as if trying to scumhunt and asks questions - but never really follows up on it, nor scumreads baezu when there was plenty of questionable behaviour from baezu d1-
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yeh but its so blatantly not partnery that i worryIn post 717, Invisibility wrote:
this doesnt feel partneryIn post 454, insomnia wrote:I’m trusting skitter because she defended me
I have soft spots for people that rub my back
Let me know when you’re online skitter and let’s game solve-
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coming from the person who:In post 755, insomnia wrote:I might get nked as a result of my future game solving. It’s all been shits and giggles, everything from this point is going to be serious insomnia. My opinion on everyone will come in 15-16 hours, be patient.
1. refused to acknowledge scum!skitter d1
2. called my reads bad, when i had called skitter, rooster and baezu as the scum team, the same group you happen to be sheeping now-
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In post 865, rosterfoster wrote:Because I can simultaneously scumread 2 players but not think they're both scum?
Skitter's later actions made her a better lynch, but I do believe that wagon would not have happened without me making it appear to be a legit option.
yeh im not sure about thisIn post 868, rosterfoster wrote:As I remember nobody was throwing heat on Skitter till I did. If she was my scumbuddy I would have left it like that.
imo the wagon push came from ofrhz and myself, and it seems like you are trying hard to get town cred from the skitter lynch
like i really dont see these posts in your iso, if you are referring to 517-519 that is a pretty poor excuse for throwing heat on skitter
feels tmiIn post 518, rosterfoster wrote:I'm also getting bad feels from how vigorously Skitter is defending Insomnia. Possible pocketing of Insomnia actually.-
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xyzzy game, where you shot 3 town and the scum strategy was pretty much ohh lets have town!vedith just win the game for us because hes bad at mafiaIn post 938, Vedith wrote:
Also I'm not sure I've day killed you ever before this game.In post 936, Enigma wrote:yeh we can be terrible in separate games then
like fuck off out of my games in the future
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