Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[Tim Goodman]

Great job catching scum in your first post, ClearlyClarity.

I'm going to sheep you and VOTE: Klick

[Tim Goodman]

FIRST!!

VOTE: Tim Goodman

p-edit for fucks sake

PB is attempting to establish a counterwagon to confirmed scum Klick.

Duly noted, will lynch that slot tomorrow since it refuses to bus.

[Tim Goodman]

You're not my partner!

I don't need a Pokémon, period.

[Tim Goodman]

Whoa.

Did you just talk?

[Tim Goodman]

CAN ANYONE ELSE UNDERSTAND HIM!??!

[Tim Goodman]

I live outside of Ryme City and I commute on odd nights and possibly even nights as well, please don't target me with night actions!

[Tim Goodman]

VOTE: Espresso Patronum

I have a bit of a gut scumread here.

[Tim Goodman]

I'm reasonably confident EP is scum.

[Tim Goodman]

Your approach to the game is a scum one.

Goddamnit.

[Tim Goodman]

Not happy with your EP townread Creature.

[Tim Goodman]

Or, uh, anything you've done for that matter.

[Tim Goodman]

What could be more interesting than following a lead that you don't understand at all that I would say hits scum ~70% of the time based solely on content already in game?

[Tim Goodman]

Why do you townread me for claiming commuter?

[Tim Goodman]

Oh, are you actually new?

[Tim Goodman]

I don't think my scumread is particularly good if you're actually new.

[Tim Goodman]

Sigh.

UNVOTE:

I'll look for another person to scumread.

[Tim Goodman]

In the potential scum category, as are you I think. Don't know if I'm specifically called to vote anyone right now.

[Tim Goodman]

URAP, why so lurky and not present?

[Tim Goodman]

vague townlean on CC I guess

[Tim Goodman]

RP could be scum

[Tim Goodman]

there's a lot of scummy people.

[Tim Goodman]

{TG, CC, EP} is a good starting ground

[Tim Goodman]

I'm gonna start with VOTE: URAP2

you need to do more.

[Tim Goodman]

dang

i feel like both CC and EP are pretty hard town after that last interaction

like i guess CC might just be playing super well but i think i'm pretty happy clearing them both.

[Tim Goodman]

townreading {EP, TG, Cinnamon, CC}

[Tim Goodman]

i'm counting up townreads to game solve.

[Tim Goodman]

VOTE: LUV

How long until you're going to have more game time URAP?

[Tim Goodman]

Creature amusingly is scum very often this game.

[Tim Goodman]

Creature amusingly is scum very often this game.

RC amusingly is wrong very often this game.

Seems very outside of standard operating procedure for you to just shrug and say that I'm wrong without calling me scum.

[Tim Goodman]

If you actually effort at this game and comfortably spew yourself town I'm willing to not pursue a lynch that you veto today. How does that sound?

[Tim Goodman]

I do think URAP is the scummiest player in the game aside from the lurking but I'm not sure if I'm just gonna push him when he's busy

Could vote Klick I guess.

[Tim Goodman]

But I'd only do that if you work with me.

I trust your reads enough if you're town. I'm not townreading you.

[Tim Goodman]

New Creature is more than capable of everything he's done here.

He's not his old self in terms of being a free read.

I still think he's a free read in the medium term if I can force him to produce content, but he's not a read yet.

[Tim Goodman]

I like your entrance btw Gamma.

[Tim Goodman]

URAP/RedPanda SvS maybe?

[Tim Goodman]

I've already alt slipped in this game, I'm somewhat confused as to how you could have caught up and missed it.

[Tim Goodman]

I don't rly feel like advertising it further. it's in the game if you care to look.

[Tim Goodman]

PB you really haven't done much.

[Tim Goodman]

It's a serious claim, by the way.

[Tim Goodman]

I would prefer not to wind up getting policy copped N1 and having someone claim what they want to see as a guilty with a no result on me.
I think the risk of that happening is greater than the advantage gained by baiting and wasting a single nightkill in a game that starts at odds.

[Tim Goodman]

She just feels town. We'll see if Pine does anything to change that.

[Tim Goodman]

I wanted it to be clear enough that if someone cops me they know why it failed but not clear enough for scum to know whether I'm just saying it to not get killed

Why would you get policy copped?

That's a good question.

[Tim Goodman]

Why are you confident on me being town right now? That feels pretty uncharacteristic.

[Tim Goodman]

I'm vaguely leaning Klick town I think?

[Tim Goodman]

So if I haven't made any mistakes on my townreads

Tim Goodman
Gamma Emerald
Espresso Patronum
Pine
Klick

My problem with CC is that they were kinda coasting by and were acting like they weren't the reason the game is slow.

I think this is the kind of hypocrisy that comes from town relatively frequently.

[Tim Goodman]

Why are you confident on me being town right now? That feels pretty uncharacteristic.

The claim and logic around it make a lot of sense for who you are.

I mean, I actually did roll commuter. I wouldn't have claimed commuter on an anonymous alt to avoid being nightkilled before I slipped.
I also think I'm just as likely to fakeclaim commuter as scum to both [look like my town game] and [not get investigated].

[Tim Goodman]

But I don't really see the point in trying to convince you that you shouldn't be townreading me.

[Tim Goodman]

Ceejay / URAP isos are toxic waste.
Creature is missing some zest and hasn't been approaching this quite like I expect him to as scum.
I'm still diffident about Detective Pikachu.
LUVs's iso feels pretty bad.
RedPanda's iso feels pretty bad and like he's trying to be townread for his 'moving the game forwardness'
PB ???
Chemist also leaning scum to at least some extent.

[Tim Goodman]

I don't like RedPanda very much.

[Tim Goodman]

I think voting RedPanda is likely to be incredibly unproductive so I don't want to vote them unless it's straight up speedlynch time.

Let's try this

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

[Tim Goodman]

I think the highest equity of hitting scum right now is URAP2.
Second guessing RedPanda and LUV scumreads.

Not a fan of Ofrhz entrance.

I've heard from a friend who heard from a friend that Pine lurks as town and tryhards as scum. If that's true that puts him as town here. But maybe he knows that and would lurk as scum? Who knows. CC was towny though. Not sure why I'm posting all this but k.

[Tim Goodman]

Notably this puts me a ton closer to Creatures readlist

And maybe I should townread him for that

But I offered to work with him and he just dipped out of thread, so, ?

[Tim Goodman]

By all rights PB should be scum with that iso, but I kinda feel that way about URAP2 and Chemist1422 and ofhrz slots as well.

Hopefully everyone else is town and this is just easy game?

[Tim Goodman]

DP gets D1 immunity for flavor reasons.

Non negotiable.

[Tim Goodman]

Of my scumreads, Ofhrz has the highest townspew potential so...

Hey ofhrz why are you voting RP?

[Tim Goodman]

DP gets D1 immunity for flavor reasons.

Non negotiable.

This isn't an actual thing btw

It's literally just he's my Pokemon partner

If he's scum I can still lynch the other 2 scum shrug

[Tim Goodman]

As in

Nothing to do with role or in game flavor you know what I mean

[Tim Goodman]

Tim Goodman called, he wants his readslist back

[Tim Goodman]

Jk but yeah I can roll with that I think

Just a question of who we Lynch today

[Tim Goodman]

I think that commuters should claim as a matter of principle.

I don't want to elaborate further, if no one thinks that I'm scum for the claim then there's literally nothing to be gained from discussing it.

[Tim Goodman]

I'm surprised no one is scumreading me, to be honest.

Creature, what are your thoughts on PB/URAP2/Chemist1422?

[Tim Goodman]

I do think it's generally a much better precaution against my scum game to treat me as locktown so that it's actually strange if no one tries to kill me

As soon as people start paranoia reading me, it becomes easy to explain my continued survival as scum and the strongest argument towards lynching me evaporates.

[Tim Goodman]

I think what content exists from URAP2 is already pretty scummy.

I also think Chemist has 0 posts that indicate any sort of actual gamesolviness.

[Tim Goodman]

For my personal records, what's your read on me right now creature?

[Tim Goodman]

I feel like this is a game where town's general PoE is going to be really good but it's possible that we end up leading on the town in the lynchpool.

[Tim Goodman]

The only real reason I have to TR ofhrz is that I agree with the readslist

I'm thinking the correct play is not to second guess townreads or deepwolf hunt at this stage and just kill the people who have no gamesolvey content.

If we have a non-consecutive protective of some sort it would be very nice of you to holster tonight.

[Tim Goodman]

VOTE: URAP2 for now at least. I do think they're scummy, not just inactive.

[Tim Goodman]

If I had to guess at a scumteam right now it's {URAP2, Chemist1422, DP}

[Tim Goodman]

Ofhrz posting is rly bad.

[Tim Goodman]

I kinda want to lead on Ofrhz rn

[Tim Goodman]

ofhrz urap DP?

[Tim Goodman]

I kinda wanna put Creature in the scumlist

[Tim Goodman]

VOTE: Ofrhz

Vote this with me pls

[Tim Goodman]

That seems like a scum question to ask here.

[Tim Goodman]

I do.

[Tim Goodman]

Strange entrance.

[Tim Goodman]

Also, why is Gamma scum and why is DP scum?

[Tim Goodman]

That's a pretty bad entrance?

Also I spoke to cinnamon unrelated to this game and he had a family member in the hospital; you're kind of pushy about this Cinnamon didn't siteflake thing.

[Tim Goodman]

Does meta on you exist?

I'm not asking for you to give any or link games, I'm phone posting. If meta on you exists I'll deal with you very differently here.

[Tim Goodman]

I'll refrain from judging you right now if there's a standard of comparison I should keep in mind.

[Tim Goodman]

Ok

Then I'll just say

you seem really confident about the things you've come into this game pushing

It's possible you're scum faking confidence. It's possible that you're town with a great deal of confidence..

But saying stuff like 'cinnamon never does X as town' are statements that you shouldn't make lightly

Cinnamon definitely replaced out for reasons behind this game. If you think he's scum beyond the rep out, explain it

[Tim Goodman]

I’ve played with Cinn before and there’s no way that slot is town lol

No way this slot is town is strong phrasing. Sorry I mixed up the strong phrasing with another strong phrasing.

Also ... if scum can just choose to obvtown why don't they always choose to obvtown and never lose?

[Tim Goodman]

Your Gamma/Cinnamon push feels off to me. I feel like you're trying to express a great deal of certainty in it that you really have no right to express. And while no right to express doesn't really say much about whether you would... I dunno. I kinda feel like you wouldn't. I feel like you tried to come in swinging.

Also I think you’re mixing up “confident” with “manic because I’m hella jetlagged and haven’t slept properly for two nights”

Chill out and go to sleep then

No one's going to lynch you before you get yourself back on track and you posting here like this isn't helping town. Even if you're right on Cinnamon/Gemerald you're not actually helping get him lynched RB.

[Tim Goodman]

Like your offness could be your manicness and lack of sleep. If it is, best thing you can do is sleep and approach this with a level head later.

[Tim Goodman]

Ok but like 'yeah gamma would have been motivated to obvtown as scum' seems like a really convenient excuse to brush off how towny Gamma has been since he entered.

[Tim Goodman]

Ofhrz why do you think I should townread you here?

If I don't what does it say about my alignment?

[Tim Goodman]

I think I will towntell soon enough

It'll be essentially impossible for you to lead a lynch in this lobby without my support.

If you're town I suggest coming up with an explanation of why you're so sure that Gamma is scum as opposed to trying to trying to argue infallible competence after one completed game onsite and not providing anything that guards against you bring scum pushing s mislynch.

[Tim Goodman]

Sorry, I was trying to quote Menalque.

This isn't a question of competence, it's a question of the fact that the push feels exaggerated as hell and claiming good reads isn't really a rebuttal to that.

[Tim Goodman]

No, it's at Menalque.

If you're going to towntell and be useful feel free to do it whenever, I'm waiting for it

[Tim Goodman]

I don't have the highest view of that unvote.

[Tim Goodman]

Gamma Emerald Cinnamon
RedPanda
EspressoPatronum
Chemist1422
Klick
Tim Goodman



Menalque u r a person 2
Firebringer Lil Uzi Vert, Dr worm
Detective Pikachu
Creature
Pink Ball
ofrhz ceejayvinoya
Pine ClearlyClarity

[Tim Goodman]

I feel like ceejay puts more effort before replacing out as scum.

oh yeah we really need to talk about this because it's my main reason for not wanting to clear you

wtf???

[Tim Goodman]

from that list

Firebringer and Creature are better than the remaining slots for sure

soooo

Detective Pikachu
Menalque u r a person 2
Pink Ball
ofrhz ceejayvinoya
Pine ClearlyClarity

Very notable is that DP was fine sheeping me 'til I led on Ofrhz then tried to wagon someone else
Also Menalque came in swinging to counterwagon Ofhrz lol

[Tim Goodman]

creature's bizarre townread on that slot is also worth bringing into question

[Tim Goodman]

creature's bizarre townread on that slot is also worth bringing into question

[Tim Goodman]

weren't you scumreading me, like, very not long ago

[Tim Goodman]

Fire were you planning on doing something readable

[Tim Goodman]

ok

[Tim Goodman]

lynch scum

[Tim Goodman]

no u

[Tim Goodman]

if you're not scum here firebringer i'm pretty unhappy with you right now.

[Tim Goodman]

no

i'd like you if you're town to play to town win condition.

[Tim Goodman]

ewww I agree too much with Tim.

I don't want to agree with Tim.

LOLOLOLOL

TIM IS RC.

the order of operations here doesn't make sense.

[Tim Goodman]

I feel like historically I've been a shit ton of games where I was the only one who scumread someone playing hyper aggressively and I usually ended up being right
I think that -oh that confidence is towny- isn't good logic here. scum would need to do something big with this entrance with how tight the PoE pool already is. this is a situation to make a push like that.

[Tim Goodman]

alright

I would hate myself if I didn't lynch Menalque today.

VOTE: Menalque

Case to follow tomorrow

[Tim Goodman]

don't l-1 yet

i really need another day

[Tim Goodman]

yea i can't commit to a read yet

UNVOTE:

[Tim Goodman]

VOTE: Firebringer

sayonara.

[Tim Goodman]

yes

[Tim Goodman]

sry you rolled scum.

[Tim Goodman]

not a reaction test. i just know you're scum. i know you're trying to play it cool. seen it enough from you.

[Tim Goodman]

Lynch Firebringer pls friendos he is scum.

[Tim Goodman]

yea that

[Tim Goodman]

i abuse my limitless sex appeal to get the lynches i want instead of arguing with people

[Tim Goodman]

what even is tim goodman from anyways? he def does not have sex appeal

policy lynch this 100%

[Tim Goodman]

idk

i just know he's scum

i'm not putting too much effort into trying to parse out his interactions until tomorrow

i'll tryhard before night tomorrow.

[Tim Goodman]

fire

you're too predictable.

[Tim Goodman]

more firebringer votes ty

[Tim Goodman]

i appreciate the luck you are wishing me

[Tim Goodman]

fire has the same scum strategy in all his scum games, pretend to be nonchalant about being wagoned until people get second thoughts about it.

[Tim Goodman]

no i kinda just knew he was scum since he repped in but i was on the fence about whether to lynch him d1

[Tim Goodman]

l-3 btw

[Tim Goodman]

how's driving in bogota btw i've heard quite a bit about driving there

can u like not talk to everyone about me while refusing to talk to me? I feel that is extremely disrespectful.

i'm trying to lynch scum. what do u want me to say to you? hi. i liked detective pikachu.

[Tim Goodman]

i didn't ask who gave the order because it had nothing to do with business.

[Tim Goodman]

i didn't ask who gave the order because it had nothing to do with business.

[Tim Goodman]

i believe that interacting with you will only give you leverage to try to prevent me from lynching you and since there's already resistance to your wagon, i want to avoid that being a thing to the best that I can.

[Tim Goodman]

it's a quote from the godfather part 2.

[Tim Goodman]

new mentality. if i were playing with old mentality i would be just bloodlusting you to to death. i'm trying to play to my win condition in a more laid back manner.

[Tim Goodman]

ur mom is a nerd, nerd.

[Tim Goodman]

get destroyed

[Tim Goodman]

no u

[Tim Goodman]

i cc bulletproof

[Tim Goodman]

i cc child but not innocent

[Tim Goodman]

more like

ur mom has triple the weight

[Tim Goodman]

Wow that L1 was so scummy and opportunistic

We should Lynch VOTE: Firebringer instead

[Tim Goodman]

Not sure if bussing or opportunistic mislynch