Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

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VOTE: EP

I didn't know that Errant still played mafia, and in this game of all games no less!

sadly this isn't the case

VOTE: Menalque

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congrats korina you just... supersoftclaimed?

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either way it's still RVS so...

VOTE: Korina

too soon to flavorclaim

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I guess venge roleblocker

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I know I'm wrong, but don't correct me.

Korina I'm still voting you for now, until the curse of RVS is dispelled.

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I don't see how elements can be scum

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I don't see how elements can be scum

Go on

Just saying I nullread elements

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VOTE: Temporal Lich He knows why.

I can guess but this doesn't help your case

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regardless I'm not inclined to think you're a scumlord

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Give me your best guess TL .

uhh... because I anticlaimed Korina?

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Naaah, not even close. Feel like trying again?

you're claiming scum aren't you?

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

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Pfahahahha, oh god, I was so close to letting you off the hook too. Oh sweetie.

Post#29 is terrible, you are quietly excusing yourself from voting Korina while making sure you can keep the vote there indefinitely and pile on pressure to a wagon that may well start on someone making waves.

Post#56+64 are, if anything, even worse. "I don't see how this person can be scum," is not a null read, and trying to backpedal that later when asked to explain is decidedly less than impressive.

Post#72 aint bad, you don't react by immediately jumping on me, which is what I would expect a scum to do when I post an attack like that, which is, let's face it, ASKING to be jumped on.

Posts#80+83 go back to being truly terrible again though. First, what even is anti-claiming? Like, are we just making up words now? And why would that even be something I would vote you for? Wat? Aaaand on 83 instead of continuing to engage you pull a 180 and decide to vote me.

Lynch it fam, lynch it with fire.

#29 is a valid reason to vote as someone freaking flavorclaimed in RVS.

I think you don't know what a null read is. It's when you have no reasons to think a person is town or scum, so therefore have to rely on luck of the draw.

Openwolfing is a dumb idea regardless of alignment.

And your reasoning on 80 and 83 being scummy is dumb. Anti-claiming is claiming you are not X role, and literally I thought you freaking claimed scum by voting me and deliberately refusing to give a case (you did anti-case me though) and you were expecting me to claim scum.

Yeah, you expecting me to claim scum is reason enough for me to think you're scum.

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so yeah, if you're going to misrepresent me saying elements hasn't done anything scummy as me saying elements is an IC, then you're guiltied scum

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I was expecting you to claim scum? What? That is, quite possibly literally, the stupidest thing I have heard in months, and I live with three small children so bravo sir. I was reaction testing you, and you failed, hard.

by failed you mean saw through it then you're right

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I wanted to give a fair answer just in case you had an honest question instead of you claiming scum

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I can't tell if this TL/TD argument is actual scum hunting or rvs nonsense

If I'm betting then probably TvT banter

If you're betting then scum hunting

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it's interesting in the same way a gilded termite is interesting

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but yeah TD is scum unless you can convince me otherwise, there's no way TD is town right now.

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So is TD town or definitely 100% scum because here you are saying both

TD is lockscum as of now.

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nothing, I'm just confused.

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this means I'm gonna need a lead rist soon, as my reads are messy.

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Awwww, Look at the cute little lich flail. Someone go find its phylactery so when we kill it it stays dead.

I'm taking that as you claiming dayvig, and no one can stop me

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so you'd agree there's no way elements is scum right now, TD?

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I'm just confused how TD is scum here.

I agree.

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I had a weak townread on you (for calling the interaction TvT banter), which got distorted into a strong scumread (because you're just trying to lynch me because it's convenient for you and you can paint me as LHF)

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and for the record, I weakly townread elements

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I'm just saying I'm confused too

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I'm just saying I'm confused too

About

what

Are you confused like "I dont know TD's alignment hmm very confused even though I keep saying hes scum"

Or are you confused like "wow you're definitely scum but HOW are you scum why are you doing what you do as scum"

Because either way congratulations now I'm confused too

the first one

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it's my confusion that provoked me to stop saying TD is scum, btw

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I don't think the eth0s/korina interaction strongly implicates either as scum

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I don't think the eth0s/korina interaction strongly implicates either as scum

Go on

Just seems like an impasse to me, I don't think town gains much from the interaction

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that's unusual... mine isn't >_>

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Korina's role claim is towny I guess (despite being way too freaking soon!)

I'm liking eth0s so far for the setup spec in 304. (scum can't setup spec)

Either way I don't think Korina is worth voting right now.

TD is still scummy so my vote is still on TD (come on now, now you're making your vote on me look bad)

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yeah this is why Korina is potentially scum... doesn't mean Korina is guiltied scum

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Well, we're deciding today

We have 11 days until the deadline. If you want to powerlynch Korina I'm not accountable for the town getting thanos snapped.

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"Korina flubbed his role claim" does not equal "Korina is confirmed scum"

Even then powerlynching Korina is a bad move, and I wouldn't be surprised you're scum jjh....

VOTE: jjh927

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Goddamn that's an awful vote

thanks for the side of OMGUS... it tastes like blue cherry gatorade

pedit: actually yeah that's a good point but Korina is untouchable until LYLO

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just in case Korina is a scum who flagbears

town

(which would be really overpowered lol)

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just in case Korina is a scum who flagbears

town

(which would be really overpowered lol)

Why would you ever approach this train of thought at all

Because I'm TemporalLich and I can imagine crystalline dragons riding a taxi.

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Let me rephrase; why would something that you can recognise as stupidly implausible influence your actions

because I believe it's much more possible that Korina is town flagbearing town... and saying Korina is scum flagbearing scum doesn't mean we're limited to two boxes of possibility.

For the record, I'm inclined to believe Korina is town flagbearing town right now.

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more points to "korina can't roleclaim properly"... skimming Korina's ISO pings me null-town

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I will refrain from scumreading Korina as Korina is effectively V/LA today

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You've sure been refraining from scumreading Korina a lot, haven't you TL

yeah because I thought Korina flubbed the role claim...

Fakeclaiming town flagbearer as a gambit is outright openwolfing though, but I don't want a hammer when Korina is still V/LA.

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I think you're forgetting "I thought Korina messed up his role claim and is still potentially a town flagbearer"

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but the gambit combined with the flub means Korina is openwolfing...

Intent to vote Korina

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VOTE: Korina

L-1

Korina I think you're flailing at this point.

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you do realize korina is openwolfing and flailing at the same time?

if that doesn't scream scum then this game is cursed

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you do realize korina is openwolfing and flailing at the same time?

if that doesn't scream scum then this game is cursed

whether it screams scum or not I already proved why lynching korina literally ANY OTHER DAY was better than today

you wanting neighborhood PTs does not freaking outweigh lynching an openwolf

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eth0s I'm tempted to wagon you tomorrow please stop trying to act like I'm scum for wanting an openwolf dead

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Korina could be a compulsive loyal vig for all I care

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this game is cursed

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VOTE: Elbirn

oh god I really don't like Elbirn's interaction with mastina

Still willing to vote TD

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I want anyone who thinks EP has done things that are pro-town this game to stand up and tell me what they are now. If they can't do that, I want them to tell me what makes the person they want to lynch today scummier than him. And if they can't do either of those two things then I want their vote on EP.

Elbirn wants to powerlynch mastina for a terrible reason (see 619) and is almost seemingly deathtunneling her.

For the record, my read on Espresso is null-scum, don't see anything towny from an ISO read.

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Yes, when korina hammered himself and said he was town I took him at his word because he is not the first nor the last village idiot to do shit like that. Not to mention that he continued to babble nonsense in thread for another 24 hours and I don't think scum does that.

If I'm scum why do I REEEE at dead town for being detrimental to the town faction when I could have done what any smart scum does and stop posting for the day?

alright I believe you could be town.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

Espresso is starting to seem scummy especially in 763

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Explain exactly why you think it's scummy. It looks like you're just an opportunist hopping on my wagon.

It seems like you're throwing shade at Menalque and I have a feeling you're hard defending Elbirn with a fake reason despite 695 obviously not being a scumslip.

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Explain exactly why you think it's scummy. It looks like you're just an opportunist hopping on my wagon.

It seems like you're throwing shade at Menalque and I have a feeling you're hard defending Elbirn with a fake reason despite 695 obviously not being a scumslip.

Answer my question plz.

You can't just tell me to answer the question again just because you don't like my response.

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you somehow forgot in 454 that I said that the

gambit

is what turned it from an honest flub to a red flag.

pedit: no

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Espresso, that's a really dishonest way to ask a question... by expecting me to have answered it already and calling me scum for not doing so.

Because of that, you will not get an answer.

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This implies there's more than 763 that caused you to think I'm scum. What posts are they and why do you think they're scummy?

For the sake of answering this question I will ignore your scummy posts after the fact.

783 doesn't gel with me as it seems you're trying to prematurely claim.

764 feels like a reaction instead of a case.

748 is trying to self-meta.

pedit: I said you were defending Elbirn with a fake reason. As in I believe you're just trying to make Elbirn look towny instead of showing how Elbirn is towny.

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I think by "despite 695 obviously not being a scumslip" you should know that I don't think that was a scumslip because it's uh heavily implied.



Premature claims can be seen as scum if you're trying to get others to claim especially. Otherwise it's a pretty bad move regardless of alignment.

The reaction seems a bit weak and I wouldn't consider it towny.

self-meta isn't towny, so it's NAI-scum at worst.

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I want you to tell me how TL is townier than me.

Then I want you to vote TL.

okay I'm just gonna say this post is actually pretty scummy.

You're pushing my lynch even if I'm town, which only makes sense for town if it is a policy lynch or I'm scum even if I'm town.

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jjh's case on me looks like it was built with gilded sandpaper...

Namely for calling me scum because I don't want scum to lolhammer someone who can't respond, and where being in the tent is pretty much death.

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and my Korina vote is because Korina couldn't possibly be town...

It's one thing to screw up a roleclaim... it's another to try to pass off a lie constructed with termite-infested wood and duct tape as a shiny new gambit... it's yet another to flail afterwards... and it's yet yet another to self-freaking hammer

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but yeah I concede that the intent to vote is way too standoffish and scum-motivated

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if you want to vote out jjh I will be on your side.

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and before you ask, I'm not in the tent so you aren't bleeding a role claim out of me just so you can nightkill me

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It's already a bad sign when you start the case with pure OMGUS don't you think?

I was unwilling to vote townflagbearer!Korina because oh god voting there would be openwolfing. And you're acting like me being uncertain is a reason to invalidate my reasoning.

I wasn't willing to powerlynch Korina, and voting someone who is V/LA for pressure makes no sense at all.

The standoffishness (how my reluctance to vote Korina is scum-motivated) is the only valid point of your case. It doesn't exactly make the case deathproof however, or even 1-shot BP for that matter.

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What do you consider pure omgus

A vote based purely on retaliation / "your vote on me sucks and you should feel bad" / reciprocation

Basically, a vote on someone made solely because of a vote on you.

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So you do have a good definition of omgus

Which means you should be able to determine that this ain't it

I can't exactly try to argue with what you think so sure I will concede you think you're voting me because my vote looks scum-motivated but like I said your case looks like it was built with gilded sandpaper.

... so it might not be

pure

omgus but I digress.

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I think I have encountered someone else who can pull thoughts directly from the aether...

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You do not know my true power...

I can think of opalescent demons and gilded wraiths...

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either way, my thoughts have been said to be "alien" so if it is true TD's thought process is transparent then we are very different beasts.

I forge my own path through the thought realm.

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What do you think about elements? And don't just give me a short answer

Judging by the ISO, elements is the kind of person you'd want in your slice of township. He votes like a townie and posts like one too. The wanting to sheep SoaS tells me this guy is laidback and doesn't take things seriously. The not wanting to discuss roles is town-indicative or at least not wanting to rolefish in the shining moonlight. The reasoning in 156 is a fairly decent point made. 305 does seem like a weird post considering 304 is required reading for context, but doesn't seem like this indicates elements is a scumlord trying to act towny. 732 is the most recent elements post which is indeed concerning however, it might mean elements is a shadow lurking in the elements.

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pretty sure eth0s is openwolfing

I'm not even L-1 let alone in the tent so... me roleclaiming is a bad idea and premature

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My vote has more business being here than on Espresso

VOTE: Elbirn

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I really think Menalque's case in 995 is compelling.

His hard pushing seems to be set up in a way as to line up mislynches.

And 585 does pretty much fall in the face of jjh still trying to push a TL lynch (see 880), so yeah something definitely isn't clicking into place.

VOTE: jjh927

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@Mena your gamestate analysis to prove scum!EP is a fantastic example of confirmation bias. Assuming town!Mena, I'd like you to reread that post when I flip town + remember the dangers of tunneling. If you're scum, carry on doing your thing.

this only proves Menalque's point...

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elbirn why do you scumread mastina?

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Time pressure isn't going to happen, so we need votes or reads

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I'm voting Elbirn, I'm willing to compromise on EP in extreme cases despite there being overwhelming consensus that EP is town

elements I personally TR so he's off the list.

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Where is this overwhelming consensus that you speak of?

1091 - Adorable explicitly states EP/TL interaction is TvT, thus a townread on Espresso is strongly implied.

927 - TD's readlist with Espresso marked as town but potentially scum

994 - not exactly a townread but my vote doesn't deserve to be on Espresso right now

1007 - unintentionally makes Espresso look towny

not quite overwhelming but scum shouldn't vote EP if they want to not look scum.

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congrats elbirn if that's real enjoy being the lynch

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because voting mastina is gamethrowing at this point

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the better question is: can someone who isn't Elbirn tell my why mastina is a potentially viable vote?

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Theres a bit under 6 days left in this phase

Push your scumreads you coward

If you actually gladiated mastina then I absolutely have to deathtunnel you because I SR you and TR mastina.

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Okay great now take that energy and put a fucking gun in my mouth

Make content happen so this malaise can stop

If I were a dayvig you'd be shot right now.

here is my ISO delve into Elbirn:

81 - naked vote with little context

87 - premature roleclaim and taunting the lynch

108 - you didn't get the joke in 86

509 - seriously?

582 - scum-motivated post, explicitly buddying

643 -

openwolfing

714 - you're actually voting mastina because I scumread you for the Elbirn/mastina interaction?

773 - looking for an easy mislynch

Why do you scumread me

Make me answer for my crimes against humanity

Are you that desperate in trying to appear town? You know what, I think you're as town as a polluted mire full of pond scum in the forbidden zone where even the undead dies.

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Better yet, I can stop being a self absorbed punk and ask the real question I've been dying to have answered and no one will tell me

Why do you townread mastina? On what grounds my dude?

An ISO skim tells me mastina is consistent in efforting and has good posts.

957 is very scummy, but this actually doesn't make me scumread mastina as she scumreads me if you ignore 954 (not the best reason to drop a scumread but eh).

Also your case on mastina amounts to 619 and an unsupported case on mastina fakeclaiming masons which is not a case even in my dimension of stellar tigers and arcane stars.

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VOTE: Elbirn

Okay at this point if Elbirn isn't scum then I don't think anyone is scum.

Elbirn lied about being a gladiator of all things!

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VOTE: Elbirn

Okay at this point if Elbirn isn't scum then I don't think anyone is scum.

Elbirn lied about being a gladiator of all things!

Wait, did he? Where?

He posted a fake gladiator action in this post:

Maybe I'll just sheep TD

This seems like a good plan that cannot and will not go wrong

Cool help me bus my buddies

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mastina

Gladiate: Mastina

If Elbirn were actually a gladiator, the only allowed votes would be Elbirn and mastina.

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I already made an Elbirn scumcase in 1150.

tl;dr Elbirn is an openwolf

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A lot of that case seems v stretchy

What about shit posting/naked votes makes him scum? Why do you think that behaviour is more likely to come from scum than from town?

naked votes are a pretty lazy and scummy way to vote.

it can easily be seen as opportunistic

shit posting is probably town-AI tbh

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if your entire ISO is shit posting... that's another thing, a lack of effort is anti-town.

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for all I know elbirn is scum

him saying "I'm town" just proves that elbirn thinks he's town

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We need to be thinking about making a decision here

I think elements and EP have a pretty neat equal likelihood of flipping scum at this point

I would prefer elements because I have a strong TR on eth0s rn and he does have a strong preference for elements > EP

For those who still object, can you state why? Otherwise, can we try to get to a compromise soonish even if we don’t end day that prematurely so we know what we’re doing when deadline comes

I don't think either is a good idea now.

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I'm not putting you in the tent elements, I currently nullTR you

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I don't see how elements being an inaccurate bloodhound is a fakeclaim...

it's a strong town power role, though it is a percentage role...

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Why would this role *ever* be called "bloodhound" and not "Cop"

You can thank Great Idea for that.

In GI, Bloodhounds check for town/not town and Cops check for mafia/not Mafia

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The kill makes sense because TD was obvtown

That's really easy to say after seeing TD bleed green...

I'm kinda confused tbh, but TD green makes jjh highly likely to be scum.

VOTE: jjh927

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It's easy to say because confirmation bias is a thing.

Also TD really SRed you jjh

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Considering Elements was a scum bloodhound my likelyhood of trusting that claim is like .1%

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ISOed Suji... nothing special, just seems to the left of null..

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jjh might end up being a UMiller for all I care... I'd still think jjh is scum

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okay can someone tell me what the heck 1530 is...

if not eth0s is very likely to be a scum

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okay can someone tell me what the heck 1530 is...

if not eth0s is very likely to be a scum

explain.

how in the universe is 1506 remotely a scumslip?!

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... because it's not a scumslip

such a bad push benefits scum more than town

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my vote is still on jjh despite chemist's "softclear"

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elbirn's newest posts make me think he's town for some arcane reason

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guess who's been really busy all day, and will probably be busy the rest of the day!

Negative effort answer: Chemist1422

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I don't know what the VC is so I don't know if I need to claim yet.

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suji why the heck do you think mastina is going to die tonight?

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1627 is... interesting

We'll let that simmer over till tomorrow.

Adorable's ISO weirds me out...

and I actually did manage to find jjh's softclaim in 1393... "weak"? seriously? Gonna have to believe the claim a little for now. This makes jjh look town (and chemist1422 look town if his rolecop claim is right)...

mastina only feels towny, but the opening post is mason with Adorable...

anyway my vote shifts to what makes a lot more sense

VOTE: Adorable

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why does this make a lot more sense?

voting someone with a Weak role (confirmed by a rolecop) doesn't make too much sense don't you think?

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why does this make a lot more sense?

voting someone with a Weak role (confirmed by a rolecop) doesn't make too much sense don't you think?

firstly adorable isn't voting anyone as far as I can see from her ISO

second idk why that makes her scum, can you explain why you think it does

not much content, 1455 kinda looks like VCA, very lurky

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jjh phrased it as being Weak...

wait a freaking minute what the fuck?

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VOTE: jjh927

yeah back to jjh being an SR...

lest I lose myself in the slimy mire of scumreading town

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jjh is guiltied scum

prove me wrong

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also I anticlaim any sort of investigative role

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also I anticlaim any sort of investigative role

sorry what?

I'm harclaiming "not an investigative role"

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jjh is not actually Weak (as in if jjh targets scum, he unavoidably dies)

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how do these two posts make sense together in your head

because I just made those two posts together

and jjh lied about being normal-Weak and a

rolecop

checked him

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therefore jjh is

guiltied

scum because of the rolecop check

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jjh is not actually Weak (as in if jjh targets scum, he unavoidably dies)

Indeed, I never claimed weak. I claimed that my flavour is a weak piece of plastic, ie it is not sturdy and is easily broken.

I already called you guiltied scum so I can't turn back now.

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anyway if you guys want to put me in the tent make sure you actually put me in the tent instead of flashhammering

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as of now, what can totally dispel me thinking jjh is guiltied scum is whether Chemist actually saw the Weak modifier or not.

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okay I screwed up in logic and facts then

my regular SR on you still stands, but enjoy the universe where you're town existing again

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ebwopple: replace "you" with "jjh927" and "you're" "jjh927 is" specifically

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I think you need to claim TL

I'm not putting you at L-1 bc I think you're likely to self-hammer at this point

I'm not at L-1 and in the tent so no hardclaim lest scum kill me for having a baller role

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at this point maybe...

I'm a Town Inventor...

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jjh do you expect me to respond to that

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okay I'll out my inventions and flavor

I'm a gachapon caspule.

A Town Inventor (Rolecop, Doctor, Roleblocker)

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I know all about living in strange worlds... AMA

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copsetic is only ascetic to binary investigations...

it isn't a full ascetic

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I am indeed an Inventor.

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town is my alignment

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decoupled, my alignment/role spilt is Town / Inventor (Rolecop, Doctor, Roleblocker)

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and I did indeed target chemist with the rolecop invent

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are you actually expecting me to give out everything I did?

I'm a Gachapon Capsule.

I'm a Town Inventor (Rolecop, Doctor, Roleblocker)

I targeted Chemist with all of the inventions (I got motivated)

They know at the end of the night, and may use the inventions at any time.

also I wish I could openwolf that badly to say I'm disloyal and use that to get chemist powerlynched since chemist is actually guiltied scum... but I'm just a town inventor and town has no use in fakeclaiming disloyal.

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even then, I wouldn't target chemist with all three inventions if I were a town disloyal inventor right?

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yeah... but I'm town

so if I were disloyal, chemist would be guiltied scum because I successfully gave him rolecop...

but I'm a pure inventor

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What night did these things happen

Rolecop was given out N1, the rest N2

are all the inventions 1 use?

Yes

pedit: yes

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Flavour is less important now because he's not fakeclaiming. The parts he's leaving out are more important

I already said I was a pure inventor

I'm not leaving things out

pedit: yes

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motivate, as in be able to act twice...

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I still think it's quite possible that the repeated references to the old country, which were just in-character shit, could have been interpreted by a particularly wacky individual as a traitor crumb

congrats you just outed yourself as wacky

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I was hoping something would happen

and something did happen

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because if I were a disloyal inventor I wouldn't target chemist because getting someone as guiltied scum is too op

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ebwopple: just chemist

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the pt was full of radio silence and disappointment

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Assuming we're in universe red phoenix, sure

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tbh I did weakly townread chemist

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jjh I already said I was a pure inventor... as in no modifiers.

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tbh I did weakly townread chemist

N1 or N2?

N2 of course lol

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Who have you actually townread at any points in the game

mastina, Adorable, Elements, Menalque, Chemist1422, Sujimichi extremely weakly.

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mastina is an obvious target however, Adorable was a good TR but eh...

Menalque would have made more sense

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if you want to not flip a town inventor today I suggest we vote Elbirn because Elbirn is just scummy

VOTE: Elbirn

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if you want to not flip a town inventor today I suggest we vote Elbirn because Elbirn is just scummy

VOTE: Elbirn

Why

I've ISOed you and my feelings are best summed up in this question:

Elbirn, name one towny thing you've done this game

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Rolled Town, how about you?

literally anyone can say that, even a muon...

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thanks for claiming scum elbirn

now welcome to powerlynchville

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Muon or not, the onus is on you to back up your accusation, not on me

And I'm not here to peacock about how town I am, I'm here to kill bad guys

your push on mastina is scummy as all fuck, see 619, 714, and 1017 for examples.

1021 is vote shopping as you stop voting who is basically lockscum in your eyes and vote a weak SR instead.

1102 is a push but it feels like there's an ulterior motive (make mastina look scum)

1138 is a fake gladiator claim which amounts to you calling mastina guiltied scum

1141 is trying to control town votes

1189 is made of twigs and spit, the cases don't hold up

1219 is a very subtle shade attempt

eh here's my case so people can see that you bleed red

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Suji how do you feel about elbirn?

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I think suji is scum with elbirn

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You thought I was town (however weakly) until I disagreed with you. That's not a good mark. I would like to hammer, but I will honor Menalque's request for mastina to show up.

Would you care to clairify some of your point on Elibirn in the meantime? Maybe summarize and almalgamate.

There is no way Elbirn is town with his push against mastina and the lack of towny things he's done this game.

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TL;DR elbirn is an

openwolf

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intent

I already claimed town inventor that gave all of his inventions to chemist

do you want me to do a handstand while doing a standing ovation as well?

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how likely do I not die today

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pretty sure -200% because elbirn is not voting me

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if elbirn hammers me he is an openwolf, let that be known

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therefore if he hammers me he is what I'd call

scum even if he's town

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vote elbirn for great justice

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obviously not what I meant

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Good, glad we got past that. I have no idea what you intend to convey then, because players are all either town or mafia, but sure.

I guess I never voiced my intent either but I'm ready to do this and don't really care if mastina shows up or not. Anyone wants to say their peace go for it

that if you flipped town I'd still think you aided the scum wincon...

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that's such a way to avoid being called a double openwolf by securing the L-1 vote instead of the hammer...

chemist/elbirn might be the scumteam this game

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if I have to bleed green to be a threat, I will...

Self-hammering would be a bad idea though.

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no u

i agree

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I can't wait another 5 days for this either either

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VOTE: jjh

better vote than elbirn despite elbirn being an openwolf

jjh might be a deepwolf, which is a lot worser

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how is it a scumclaim mastina?

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if I think jjh is flipping green why would I vote jjh?

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point made...

it doesn't make sense to vote townreads regardless of alignment

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If mastina is scum this game... this game is cursed

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I hope I didn't make a scum OP role...

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there would be a big argument over whether copsetic should be considered a modified ascetic or a pure copsetic...

let's not get into the argument on whether all flips were modified roles or not...

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Anyway I already said my role was a pure inventor...

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Alright I have a strong probability that jjh is scum trying to call me scum for claiming a pure role based on "there aren't pure roles this game"

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It's quite unlikely for a game to have all modified roles. Role Madness is one thing, but no pure roles is a bit more ridiculous and I wouldn't be surprised to see a pure role flip.

Calling me scum while claiming to know all roles have modifiers is an overconfident move that will easily be falsified with a pure role flip.

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Because you're trying to push me as scum because from your perspective I fake claimed my role when I am indeed a town inventor

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And you think I'm Disloyal or something

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Why is this not a perspective I can have as town

I said you have a strong probability of being scum...

Town could definitely assume with the weird choice of night actions I'm not pure, but the pushing is why I SR you.

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You're probably scummy for the "my role is a fakeclaim" push

Unless you honestly believe there are no pure roles despite my claim somehow, I think you are scum trying to get at me because it is easy.

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If you want to push me for weird night actions... nothing is stopping you

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I don't have any evidence that supports either conclusion so I still have to SR you because honest belief there are no pure roles is NAI

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without any evidence to push me to either side I have to default in between, which ends up being a SR for you

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stupid

wolfy response

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wow I somehow messed up the quote >_>

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I don't think I'm gonna be able to get any further down than this but I'll bite

What's scummy about me calling a nonsensical thought process stupid? We aren't superpositions of town and scum. You can't take a read on someone by averaging out possibilities you don't know the odds of

I don't see how that is scummy tbh...

alright you can be town.

VOTE: Elbirn

elbirn still is an openwolfwolf

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It doesn't feel genuine at all and it may be bussing [!]

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did you actually imply bussing someone means you have an honest-to-god scumread on someone?

yeah, something isn't right with that statement...

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and the examples I provided don't strike me as Elbirn is town and honestly scumreads mastina...

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the naked vote seems like Elbirn is just trying to make mastina look scum for distancing purposes...

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which is a factor in why I think mastina is highly likely to be town this game...

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suji you're probably scum this game for that naked vote out of creationspace