Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 - Snowdin Snowdown

[Ginngie]

Good to know ur town wisdom

its page 1, 1-10 strength of read?

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: @Nacho

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

But but fight song

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Its almost as if there’s a reason for the difference.

HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements

oversoul on the other hand looks scummy so far

mmmm no

I’m obvtown and this is a game I don’t even need to make myself obvtown in

yo, so first read through it looks fuckin weird to declare you're obvtown when you make the above posts as they're NAI.

So first question is your thoughts on souls boldness of claiming obvtown when doing nothing in particular to make it obv. It's small in significance but hilariously enough, that's almost exactly how I planned on entering the game saying lol cool i'm town and focus on sorting you and mastina. idk like a look in the mirror type feeling.

A more direct question is the (fuck whats the word we use) retaliation vote by Elements onto Souls and your thoughts in general of Elements starting game voting patterns.

[Ginngie]

Why are you addressing Nacho?

Nacho invited me to play a game of mafia since I haven't played in a year and half and mastina is here as well so I'm nostalgic about our game we got a scummy for. One of the best nights of my life bonding with Nacho and mastina.

Anyway, I improved my town game by stopping myself from pushing my reads, and instead push the reads my townreads have that I know are better players than me. Since I don't very much know anyone else in the playlist, I'm addressing Nacho due to familiarity. Another reason is that mastina taught me that the hardest thing for scum to do is to talk to someone directly, like personally. Scum can make a general statement talking to an audience but not often do you find a back and forth where you're hotly engaged and you can feel the conviction in both players.

So all in all, my playstyle is to push my townreads reads, and in order to get reads, I need to talk to someone personally and Nacho is someone I can most comfortably do it.

[Ginngie]

Stop playing mechanics start playing mafia zzz

This shit helps nobody with alignment solving and loses us the game

Play it by ear pls

HEAL: mastina

[Ginngie]

Good to know ur town wisdom

its page 1, 1-10 strength of read?

Around a 2 then around a 6 or 7 now

I'm not really getting scum vibes from you so I'll just talk to you about my thought process on reading you.

At first, being really confident in a read very early is a tell my friend Pine showed me in how he would find some scum players early game. So when I did my first skim through, I read the reads as a little powerful for my flavor and was curious to see how big of a hill you would die on for the read.

[Ginngie]

chennis whats the deal with your chemist read

chemist has a lot of small talk but I did enjoy their remarks about a pocket read.

Is this more a behavioral meta read here or what

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: Mechanics NAI

I like to think sparing 1 person and killing 3 people would be best to get as many confirmed people as possible.

Kills are flips and with 1 person, it's impossible for scum to win through sparing, and 1 person turns into a cop shot for day reveal.

If you have more than 1 member in the spare PT, then you no longer have a confirmed alignment.

[Ginngie]

also maybe its cuz im high but im really enjoying this crowd so far

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: Mechanics NAI

I like to think sparing 1 person and killing 3 people would be best to get as many confirmed people as possible.

Kills are flips and with 1 person, it's impossible for scum to win through sparing, and 1 person turns into a cop shot for day reveal.

If you have more than 1 member in the spare PT, then you no longer have a confirmed alignment.

That's too many kills, so if we don't kill mafia within 3 lynches we lose

aw fuck well that sucks

[Ginngie]

i'll try to make sense of it in the morning lmfao

rakan who you staring at rn

[Ginngie]

So I never played this mode before so can y'all decide how we approach this and let me know what we do mechanically?

inb4 Nymph says I'm echoing them

[Ginngie]

To kill? Oversoul.

okay so lets break the read down

I don't really know how to start talking about it since you've only talked to Soul regarding to mechanics.

What posts caught your eye?

[Ginngie]

No, if you explained I wouldn't be scumreading you about your actions even if I didn't care about the explanation itself.

It's about the effort and transparency of thought heehee

[Ginngie]

wow what a beetlejuice lmfao

[Ginngie]

No, if you explained I wouldn't be scumreading you about your actions even if I didn't care about the explanation itself.

It's about the effort and transparency of thought heehee

Someone gets it!

yo you wanna join me on a Soul wagon

I'd like to see more scrutiny in the slot

A majority of posts are mechanically related which are NAI

The rest is stating they're obvtown and a weak start in the beginning.

Another key note is that scum like to gravitate towards the easiest scummy things town members can do.

So seeing a rolefish, which is generally viewed as scummy, is a perfect thing to latch onto early game. I note this also because it's the only real read Soul has currently.

[Ginngie]

So my motivation for explaining would solely be to not be scumread

To be fair thats literally the point of the game

[Ginngie]

Sure, I have no real reason to object to a soul vote right now. I'd love to see why they think there obv town.
What do you think of chem right now?
HURT: Soul
pedit: Are you being purposely obtuse?

He's been engaged enough that I like the content being made with him. Forget who but someone pointed out an issue they had with chen and it makes me want to go back and see if I can see it too. I'll make note of chen but he's a sack of potatoes for me rn.

HURT: OverSoul

[Ginngie]

@Elements
OverSoul is now the leading wagon, now if you could explain why you chose to heal oversoul, that'd be great because you're interactions with Soul are softball questions and I can't find why you townread the slot.

@wisdom
you may scum read me but you also scumread Soul. Will you join or is your read on me as scum stronger than your read on Soul

@Chemist, Nymph and Chenn
You've yet to interact with Soul in any way this game, give us something to work with here

[Ginngie]

I don't think it's worth discussing other reads before the mafia nightkill. Why do you think I should discuss other reads?

I'm willing to talk mechanics, why we should or shouldn't pick neutral.

As for Oversoul: He's either a pr and will die tonight if we don't spare him, or he's fake softing and should be killed for that

“They might be a PR, lets lynch them”

Dude first of all it should be common sense not to PR hunt the only fucking PR and second, it’s completely illogical to think someone may be a PR, and then drive that lynch

[Ginngie]

I don't think it's worth discussing other reads before the mafia nightkill. Why do you think I should discuss other reads?

I'm thinking Rakan is better sorted town than not because of what Nymph pointed out earlier about Rakan not shooting himself in the foot so hard as scum.

I'm not seeing scum blatantly telling people they're not gonna talk about reads.

[Ginngie]

The point that elements is making softball questions is something you should pursue

hold me by the hand and take me on an adventure

[Ginngie]

Town: Rakan, Chemist
Town't: OverSoul, Xayah, Nacho, mastina, chenn, elements, Nymph

Rakan read above

Spoiler: Chemist

viewtopic.php?p=11203158&user_select%5B ... #p11203158

Earlier I believe it was chenn who said that Chemist was being useless, but in a town way. So I did a quick investigation and read one of Chemists scum games in 2092 to try and find the difference. The only thing I could really pin is that Chemist mainly focused on the game when scum and here he was a lot more fluffy and as much as it irks me, some players as town turn the game into their twitter feed and given his history of not liking scum, I can see why he wouldn't be comfortable shitposting as scum vs town and actually shitposting.

[Ginngie]

OverSoul only talked about mechanics and refuses to scum hunt, Nacho and mastina aren't here

chenn needs more scrutiny from me as I'm having a hard time following wtf he's doing.

Nymph posts nothing of value so far

and that leaves Elements and Xayah for me to look at now

[Ginngie]

I apologize

Nymph posted one thing of value and did fuck all else

[Ginngie]

Okay im being toxic and i shouldn't be

I figured out the issue

[Ginngie]

Your read on Rakan is based on his push on OverSoul as demonstrated in the spoiler

Spoiler:

We're either fighting or sparing Oversoul today.

This is really bad. We're only at page 10 and you want to just focus one person because of a crumb?

Rakan is hot headed leaning town but should really stop tunneling.

It's bad to tunnel in League of Legends and it's also bad to tunnel in mafia.

If Rakan was scum, he wouldn't stab himself in the foot this hard.

Now, when i read your post, I looked into what you said, and found post 226.

I don't think it's worth discussing other reads before the mafia nightkill. Why do you think I should discuss other reads?

Which is completely different that discussing Rakan tunneling a player, as this is talking about not discussing ANY reads.

So when I made the post declaring my read of Rakan, it literally goes me saying my starting reference point(YOU), and then going on to discuss how I further developed my read(Rakan not discussing any reads).


What would also help is if you understood what I mean by 'value'. I'm looking for interactions that are more than a couple of sentences. I can't in good faith call you town cuz you made one post I liked. I enjoy reading into interactions, which hilariously enough, I get to do now.

Now, what I particularly like is the emotion you showed. You first read my post and then went hey buddy wtf. Then 5 minutes later you vote me. Now the tone and the vote tells me two things. One, that I pissed you off, and second, that I pissed you off enough for you to come back and naked vote. I'm hilariously toxic way back and used to get dumb angry. One horrible habit is that I'd scum read anyone that I disagreed with vehemently. Now looking at yours, it's like looking into the mirror and seeing the a little bit of anger come out in the form of a vote.

[Ginngie]

yo chenn, I got more free time and gonna work on Elements next, you mind being a sound board for me

[Ginngie]

why that got a giggle idunno

[Ginngie]

god its so fucking hard to parce

early game its like he has to reply to the same thing with two different answers

[Ginngie]

So far the chennis vote happened without explanation and also never went anywhere with it.

Tonally he's on the defensive and I understand the argument being made about softball questions. Softball equating to anything that's a simple yes or no question or sarcastic.

Then in post 38, it reads as an OMGUS(found the word finally) on chenn.


I'm trying to find more content before I leave but I cant

[Ginngie]

I mean the energy of the crowd is that we're all waiting on mastina and Nacho to post

at least that is what it feels like


So go off

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

visit penguin and Cabd shortly but when I get back I hope to do a real catch-up.

tell them I miss them and am eternally grateful

[Ginngie]

HEAL: mastina

Blatant pocketing attempt detected.
Detector dismissed, pocketing allowed through. <3

I completely forgot this can be considered pocketing lmfao

[Ginngie]

Town enough:
Chemist
Ginngie

HA

Sorry I've been waiting for the day where I'm no longer lock town as soon as you see me

[Ginngie]

my heart says mastina is town and therefore nacho is town

Elements/OverSoul

sounds really fucking good rn

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: So that leaves the question, is this all just theatre then?

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Its almost as if there’s a reason for the difference.

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Its almost as if there’s a reason for the difference.

What's the reason?

HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements

HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements

rude

HEAL: oversoul

I don't understand how apparently eveyone except me can be obvtown. My scum game is so obvious to see. I'm so much more passive and less erratic.

It’s ok. Becoming obvtown is the only thing I can do. I can’t play scum, I can’t scumhunt, but I can obvtown

can you obvtown as scum?

For like a day. Then I lurk. And then I die.

[Ginngie]

my answer leans yes

[Ginngie]

To be honest since mastina is here I'm the ideal D1 spare.

[Ginngie]

HEAL: Ginngie

[Ginngie]

that flavor text is adorable

[Ginngie]

I've never been in a game where the day 1 lynch isn't a town. So lynching this early and flipping a town basically forces us into 3:1. If we spare two first we have a better read on everyone when we get do a lynch.

This is bad and you should feel bad

[Ginngie]

About this many

Nachomamma8
chennisden
mastina
Ginngie
Xayah
Oversoul
Rakan
Wisdom
Chemist1422
Nymph

[Ginngie]

Actually checked my past 11 games

2 scum games (one SK/one mafia)
1 town game no one was lynched day 1
4 town games 4 mislynches
4 town games 4 lynches(one of which was a perfect 5/5 no town deaths)

Spoiler:

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=76031
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76536


viewtopic.php?f=54&t=73603




viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76042
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=75352
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=72865
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=72907




viewtopic.php?f=54&t=73937
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=73977
viewtopic.php?p=10083514#p10083514
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=75891

Besides being one of the more asinine things I've done, I'm literally a B-tier player and I still can manage 50/50 on day 1 flips.

I never want to hear this stupid argument again.

If you want to talk about sparing above killing sure; but you better make it about why sparing a player is more valuable alive rather than getting flips.

[Ginngie]

I’m not gonna lie, kind of a big ass pull on that statement.

Ever curious of the logic behind it

Also echoing wisdom because he forgot Nymph is supposed to echo Wisdom.

There are rules

[Ginngie]

not gonna lie, this exchange is quite literally flipping my reads on Elements/chenn

[Ginngie]

wait

so scums plan

is to spare town

[Ginngie]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=80513

for my own reference

[Ginngie]

the fact ya'll played this exact game before together makes this a fucking headache

[Ginngie]

I like Xayah's opening. She's making waves.

People I am comfortable with getting some sweet sweet death all lie in the Xayah/Mastina/Chemist group

[Ginngie]

And Ginngie is not wearing pants.

when am I allowed to quote games in my sig

[Ginngie]

LMFAO

I forgot I lost a bet and had to change my sig to Eddie Cane

[Ginngie]

6 word summaries

Spoiler: Town Elements

viewtopic.php?p=11242400&user_select%5B ... #p11242400

hostile and proud, throws votes around

Spoiler: Scum Elements

viewtopic.php?p=11170961&user_select%5B ... #p11170961

passive questions, little to no voting

conditional that I'm using D1 behavior only, I don't have the time to read a plethora of games.


What I'm seeing this game is an erratic behavior and is really doing what he wants with his vote, not really caring about the WotC.

I can't shake the level of energy in Elements is showing and not draw comparisons from his previous game.

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: State of the Game

1 Nachomamma8	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
2 Elements	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
3 chennisden	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
4 mastina	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
5 Ginngie	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
6 Xayah	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
7 Oversoul	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
8 Rakan	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
9 Wisdom	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
10 Chemist	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
11 Nymph	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph

Green: Explicit in thread support for town
Yellow: Explicit in thread null read or N/A interactions
Red: Explicit in thread support for scum

[Ginngie]

Wisdom is near universally town read

I have no clue as to why but if someone gives me a nudge i see Wisdom being today's spare

[Ginngie]

Actually he has 7 direct town reads already so unless otherwise, he should be todays spare

[Ginngie]

Hey he is at 4 votes

Gonna have to be clear with y’all

I have a strict policy of hammering any L-1 i see and i have no reason not too since Rakan is a good read of mine anyway


Also my first reaction or my heart is telling me mastina is town, like i can’t shake that feeling.

With that said, it makes me think she’s scum as fuck because I’m always wrong.

Also my chemist read is shaking and OverSoul needs to stop being verbatim their scum game of “talk for a day, lurk, then die”

[Ginngie]

regardless RVS lasts what 15 minutes?

[Ginngie]

honestly feels like a kill mastina would make

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: State of the Game

1 Nachomamma8	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
2 Elements	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
3 chennisden	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
4 mastina	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
5 Ginngie	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
6 Xayah	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
7 Oversoul	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
8 Rakan	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
9 Wisdom	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
10 Chemist	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
11 Nymph	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph

Green: Explicit in thread support for town
Yellow: Explicit in thread null read or N/A interactions
Red: Explicit in thread support for scum

mastina has a policy of dont kill anyone that scumreads you. Source: her unending wisdom in Civ 5 mafia, was on that team and was instructed by her on this core philosophy.

Now, looking at the state of the game, mastina and chenn have similar reads, and chenn was the only person to actually explicitly townread mastina. That makes the perfect kill for "paints my scumreads in bad light," and satisfying the condition of not killing a townie that scumreads you.

[Ginngie]

Subject: Civilization Mafia: Barbarian Encampment

Hey guys.
Remember when I said, "don't kill someone who is accurate until they are inaccurate"?

How about:

NoticeMeSenpai kills nancy

?
Because last I checked nancy went from deadly-accurate to not-so-accurate.

Subject: Civilization Mafia: Barbarian Encampment

Couldn't we use those reads?

The best way to use nancy's reads are by her death.
Her alive is too much of a wildcard. She's very loud, can make a lot of noise, and while RIGHT NOW it would help she's unpredictable enough where it could swerve back around to being very much detrimental to us.

So that's why I say take her out tonight, when she's not being a thorn in our side.

Fun Fact: TheRealGin-N-Tonic is me

[Ginngie]

when mastina is being a meanie, she will only bully kids who wouldn't tattle tale on her to the rest of the class.

That way she doesn't get in trouble with the teacher

[Ginngie]

Never participated and then complains about what we did

[Ginngie]

You said you didn’t think he was town for what others said

And then said you didn’t want him dead or saved, essentially null.

Blanket reads are not content, and you didn’t aggressively push anything, you just let town do it’s own thing

[Ginngie]

Like you can say you objected to it, but you can’t tell me with a straight face that your ISO screams defense of chennis or pushing Raken scum/Nymph

[Ginngie]

I isod chemist and don't feel comfortable sparing him.
Lets spare gingie.

Am cool with this

[Ginngie]

I'll join if I can't get my mastina lynch.

Either pacifist or neutral at this point but everyone’s comfortable with me being town so if we go 2:2 then that would give us Rakan alignment 100%.

[Ginngie]

I'll join if I can't get my mastina lynch.

Either pacifist or neutral at this point but everyone’s comfortable with me being town so if we go 2:2 then that would give us Rakan alignment 100%.

How would it give us Rakan alignment 100%?

Well with neutral route, we would find out if Rakan is scum by how many scum are revealed in the PT.

[Ginngie]

HURT: mastina

This is 3 of 5 votes to be clear.

I just opened the door to mastina!scum, let’s chill for a second.

Also mainly cuz we are sparing me over lynching mastina but also actually use day 2

[Ginngie]

At this point i want to hear why people are objected to saving my slot

[Ginngie]

im not comfortable with mastina scum

[Ginngie]

reasons

mastina chart

[Ginngie]

Trust her. What does she do?

Get paranoid of you
She's town.

Demonstrated clearly in:

I am seriously.
Seriously.
Just thinking.
"Maybe Ginngie's scum."

---

Pressure her heavily. What does she do?

Freak out
She's town.

Demonstrated clearly in:

Okay Ginngie absolute fuck you.

It takes a lot for mastina to be mad at me like this. like betrayal level.

---

Is she gloating how good her scumgame is?

No
Proceed.

no quote cuz well, she doesn't have that much posting to work with comparative to her other games.

---

Is she waffling...

...Sorta?
Probably town, but proceed as a precaution.

The main reason that he's not even stronger town is for precisely the reason I said above: I have never seen what his scumgame is, so I don't know what is personality/playstyle versus what is alignment indicative for him.

sorta is sorta for a reason

---

Is she antagonizing everyone?

Yes
She's town.

Demonstrated clearly in:

Great going, guys.
You fucking spared half the scumteam on fucking day one.

Now we have literally no fucking choice other than to go neutral because yeah we can't win pacifist now.

---

Is mastina making a case for why she could be scum?

No
Proceed.

---

Is mastina giving strong reasons why she's town?

...Kinda?
Probably town, but proceed as a precaution.


The most questionable part of the list for mastina, however the lack of posting that I'm used to doesn't allow me to give this kind of critique much weight.

---

Has she lost her temper?

Yes
She's town.

Demonstrated clearly in:

Okay Ginngie absolute fuck you.

<3

---

Does she show genuine interest in finding scum?

...Maybe?
Probably town, but proceed as a precaution.

---

Is she spontaneous, random, and/or whimsical?

Yes
She's town.
emoji game

---

Does she explain her reads in crystal clarity?

No
She's town. Though, proceed anyway just to be sure.

Chemist read

---

Is her tone flat?

No
Probably town, but proceed as a precaution.

happy go lucky early start, very angry second day

---

Is she focusing on scumhunting?

No
She's town.

Demonstrated clearly in:

Why would I address it? I'm town hunting, not scumhunting. Rakan's hyper aggressive posting as far as I know doesn't make him town. So if it doesn't make him town and my priority is townhunting…why WOULD I comment on it? I have no reason to.

[Ginngie]

Mostly because I expected this type of read sometime since Gin does gloat over the fact they can read Mastina 24/7 but meh. I won't fight her today.

To be clear, I actually hold it to be I can never read mastina, and almost always initially pick the opposite alignment with her.

This is the first time I've actually tried using the chart. So, we'll see how it goes lol

[Ginngie]

Wait that's wrong
HURT: gingie
627 is way tmi

what in the cluster of fucks?

[Ginngie]

Spoiler:

I want chemist to come post

Yo

I really really don’t want mastina killed after that series of posts but I do want to see where she’s at on other people

That series of posts is why I want mastina killed

Why though

This goes past "scum berating town for messing up" to "insanely salty town" because of the reaction toward Ginngie

Anger is the most energy intense emotion an slips into disappointment quickly. The town of mastina's posts for an hour and a half are nothing but unadulterated rage. There's no emotional progression to frustration or disappointment. Looks like scum trying to act as enraged town by keeping the rage consistent.
TL:DR - The rage is too consistent for too long

Wait that's wrong
HURT: gingie
627 is way tmi

Elements can you make a list like the one I asked Rakan to make please

Because you’re acting somewhat chaotic and I have no idea where your head is at

I do feel like I'm reading this game entirely wrong, but here you go:

Town

Wisdom
Elements
Chemist
Oversoul
nymph
nacho
mastina
xayah
Gingie

Scum

I don't know gingie
HURT: pops

So I open up day 2 with a wild NKA saying mastina scum, mastina gets pissed and we back and forth a bit. you somehow state that mastina is staying angry and go on some weird emotional analysis that holds no ground. Then after I do a proper read on mastina, you say I'm scum because of too much information.

The worst is how I'm apparently your number 1 scum read and the minute someone calls you out, you back off.

There's a whole lot of backwards logic and lack of conviction, I don't know how any of that can even be speculated as townie

[Ginngie]

I advocate for the neutral route

I’m what makes the PT a cop shot so I’m spared, then lynching two is probably Gucci cuz the math has the same amount of people after D4 in every scenario so let’s get 2 flips and a cop shot

[Ginngie]

also treating today as who we should lynch D3 would allow me and others to generate more content before i dip

[Ginngie]

I want elements to explain his transitions of his reads and citing evidence

[Ginngie]

ask better questions

[Ginngie]

lynch Elements tomorrow

There's just no way

[Ginngie]

I want elements to explain his transitions of his reads and citing evidence

Spoiler:

yeah lets spare rakan

spare rakan cmon. Just 3 days left.

Otherwise ill switch to chennis.

Pushing for the Rakan spare with three days to go and acting like there's no time.

Constantly saying he doesn't want to be spared. The first time, fine you want to contribute, the next however many times combined with "i want pacifist" trying hard to be townread and become the de facto 5th spare to win scum the game.

Spoiler: Elements heals Rakan literally the next post after Wisdom says to heal Rakan

spare rakan cmon. Just 3 days left.

Otherwise ill switch to chennis.

Wisdom don't want to be slung into the spared PT
HEAL: rakan

Spoiler: Then later advocates for the Rakan heal, and has Wisdom as his top townread

also rakan heal yourself

Town

Wisdom

He actively sheeps his top town read and then goes on to declare his top townread is his scum read for the plan he fucking sheeped.

DONT FORGET that this occurs because he tried to scum read me for having TMI in a post, everyone said no and he backed off immediately.

The slot, and deepest apologizes to chenn, is not fucking town.

[Ginngie]

Unless you start producing town content I’m content with calling your bluff.

Cuz seriously, you just told one of your top scum read they’ll be sorry if they lynch you

[Ginngie]

For which you gave no literal reason

[Ginngie]

HEAL: Ginngie

[Ginngie]

I cite everything regarding elements, latest post about mastina is what I believe

[Ginngie]

Nacho and Xayah should have a dialogue, force this

[Ginngie]

mastina and Nymph should sort Chemist together

[Ginngie]

wisdom focus on Elements

Oversoul... do that obvtown shit you've been talking about cuz you did say you lurk and die and you have not been a driving force in the game to wager you as town

[Ginngie]

Elements if you're town, cuz I've been in this boat before, spend the night phase learning mafia theory(ask mastina she will teach regardless of alignment) and just learn how to project yourself as town.

If there's anyone that would advocate for seeing a switch, it'd be most prevalent to mastina and others more subtly so.

I don't like players advocating their lynch regardless of alignment so work on that.

[Ginngie]

wisdom focus on Elements

Oversoul... do that obvtown shit you've been talking about cuz you did say you lurk and die and you have not been a driving force in the game to wager you as town

I'm getting there

btw I don't mean it to be hostile, I am interested in what you come up with.

[Ginngie]

My problem is that both Gingie AND Rakan were heavily softing PR.

I heavily ignore any form of role fishing or talking of roles*, also not a person who has a history of softing.

To the best of my ability my role will always be a secret every game.

So regardless of alignment there is no point looking.

*until it's appropriate to talk about role mechanics as revealed

[Ginngie]

Oddly enough, that was one post of yours that I did not think was hostile

Have you been hammer spared?

I have a policy of hammering whatever is at L-1, so yeah I hammered myself

[Ginngie]

I say 718 because you asked me role related questions earlier and thought you could do with a better send off

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: "Oversoul role PM"
You are Jerry, Mafia Goon.

[Ginngie]

I gotta stop falling for the aristophanes bait

this is the second game i let go of a scum read cuz they posted good content.

Also WHAT THE FUCK was this game at the end.

[Ginngie]

Honestly I wouldn't call it a game throw

Literally everyone except for Chemist had the wool pulled over their eyes

[Ginngie]

you were a pleasure to play with

[Ginngie]

No, if you explained I wouldn't be scumreading you about your actions even if I didn't care about the explanation itself.

It's about the effort and transparency of thought heehee

Someone gets it!

yo you wanna join me on a Soul wagon

reading my ISO to review and I think this is hilarious given hindsight

[Ginngie]

I’ll be honest i didn’t care about the mechanics until after my midterms lol