Mini Theme 2105: Assassins Mafia (Game Over!)

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I'm Dunnstral

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VOTE: bitbringer

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I mean, I kinda see this game at the focal point of Pops/DNS/Pine based on sheer volume, because usually games end up where there is a singular effect that gets everyone talking or participating in scrum debates for either side. I do think however that Pops/DNS is uh more defined meanwhile you had Pine who gave an aggressive position on Tris while sort of dogging DNS and frankly if we're talking or voting any of those three It'd be Pine. His suspicions didn't read valid to me, and I thought his raise of concern to DNS to be a pretty hollow way of approval. What I mean by this is essentially you had Pine saying 'look how serious I am' and then almost weaponizing his concern against DNS for not seeing it his way. Not sure what Pine gains as town in that position, unless he's trying to scare DNS into voting Tris and he has some crackshot theory that Tris/DNS could be a thing lol

VOTE: Pine

Good post

VOTE: Pine

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VOTE: Lady Angel

She has a tendency to look scummy as town, from my experience

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I’m here and reading. I don’t really have much to add at this moment.

Why are you voting pops?

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VOTE: Lady Angel

She has a tendency to look scummy as town, from my experience

But why would town fear the reaction test

This is important

It doesn't mean anything to me

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Let's make this a homework problem for "the inactives who can't gain traction". Because really. How much value is this thought worth and why, if you need to use measurements like "lint at the current foreign exchange rate" that's ok.
Dunnstral, sujimichi, or pine only.

???

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Bitbringer is scummy IMO

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Neither of those things are public transportation

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We are going to go eat pizza then watch a Broadway show called Slave Play.

Kinky?

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Bitbringer is scummy IMO

I am shocked. This has never happened before where dunny scumread me

This was scummy btw

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He's better than rand to flip scum because he's playing other games

I don't think this logic checks out

Why do we need to wait for Pine? Why aren't we voting Bit Bringer? So people think they look town?

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I don't believe funnstrals scumread on me. Feels fake.

Why shouldn't I be scumreading you?

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Try to keep your posts related to the game Shadoweh

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Not saying you shouldn’t but so far nothing tells me it is real. The posts you gave was exceptionally shallow for saying it was scummy.

It's shallow because you haven't done anything, but what you have done is scummy.

You say that I shouldn't not be scumreading you, so what's the problem? Not being able to tell if it's real is NAI, not scummy, if you think the read is valid.

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You're saying that you're not saying that I should not be scumreading you, explicitly

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I would guess that there's at least one scum in Bitbringer/Tris/Shadoweh

Based on what?

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I ask you why I shouldn't be scumreading you

You say that you're not saying I shouldn't be scumreading you

That means you're saying my scumread on you is fine

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Oh good, we're voting Dunnstral. I expected more from him after Guns and Roses.

-bit

I didn't do anything in guns and roses

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Oh good, we're voting Dunnstral. I expected more from him after Guns and Roses.

-bit

I didn't do anything in guns and roses

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I literally posted 11 times before dying in Guns and Roses

And bit "expects more from me" after that game

Now that's a real fake read

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Bitmap is easier to get a townread on when they're town. This game does not match that. Him pointing to guns and roses was pretty bad. Again, they never said that there wasn't a reason to scumread them, just that my scumread looks "fake"

When fire is scum he proposed bad mechanical plays and also "jokingly" claims scum.

The pair is also simultaneously arguing that I "always scumread fire" (citation needed, by the way) and that I'm not sorting. So they're simultaneously trying to shade my read and calling me scum and seeing which one sticks

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I forgot that I was voting Pine

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w leans bit

why?

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pops is now having enough fun for me to consider him town

this is a good read that i mindmeld with


dunn's also starting to be decently natural compared to how passive/lurky i recall their wolf game being for whatever my memory of a couple turbos a year ago is worth

Lurky in a turbo = not posting for 5 minutes

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I'm on page 8, and so far I like DNS and pops for town.

I'm just gonna vote Pine for obvious reasons.... Wait how do you guys vote on this site again?

Like this: VOTE:

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*You're

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Also their is definitely One scum within (popsofctown, Definitely Not Scum and Dunnstral)
I never see a 3 Neighbourhood Chat all Town. Like Ever.

*there

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I scumread bitmap but townread firebringer send help

I feel like Bitmap can look substantially more town when he is town and he hasn't done that in this game

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VOTE: Shadoweh

yes I agree that she has looked scummy ever since somebody said they were flailing

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Pops when do we tell them?

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They claimed cop




UNVOTE: Shadoweh I guess

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If we believe Shadoweh's claim then her target is probably town

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If we believe Shadoweh's claim then her target is probably town

Who’s their target?

I don't know

All targets were randomized unless stated otherwise.

Right, I didn't know about this, I meant I thought their target would have been made town since cop upgrading + scum lynch would be swingy

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I think talking about lynching people to give prs powers is starting to get into dangerous territory where we're less likely to win than if we just lynched people who we suspect the most

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As for Shadoweh's role, it doesn't really matter in terms of power. So we should focus on whether it's a scum claim or a town one. I say it can go either way and future claims may make me lean one way or another

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"This person claimed, but they might be a Mafia investigative so let's kill them just in case" is not a good case. It's actually, really bad. Please stop.
I would argue with you mechanically but I don't think you have enough mafia experience to understand what you're talking about.
I don't know why you'd expect it to be weird for the host to give a role that interacts with their special mechanic, that's more of a given that it WILL happen.

DNS You've summed up my role quite clearly yes. I predict that since it investigates now it will do even more investigatey stuff later, and I'm quite sad to have to say it instead of revealing it later but tbh I should have expected this to happen when I fell to far to the 'ignoring mafia' side. Even right now I'm having trouble concentrating on reading this. Other then thinking tris was town for early play, TSE probably can't be scum and OS at least coming off slightly town I'm not sure where to go from there.

Your role doesn't really matter so it doesn't matter that you claimed

The chance that mafia would fakeclaim targets is very minimal (they'd be doubling up with other people who have targets, I assume it's 1 per person)

Your role does have some implications however.

There is a Anti target claim in place. If, you claim your target in the thread something very bad will happen to you. I will not tell you what. Claim at your own risk.

So what happens if you out that person A is targeting person B?

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Shadoweh, I suspect that your role would upgrade to let you know what powers somebody would gain from killing their target, rather than into a full cop

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Anyway, I'm not really feeling a Shadow lynch today, I think the role is at least likely to belong to town

Focusing on the lynch now

Took a quick look at Tris, I'm not seeing the scummy
Bitbringer is still kind of bad
Abuhumaid... I don't like to lynch someone for posting the least on day 1, they haven't really done anything
NaCL - They're solving so I don't really want to go after them

VOTE: unwnd
They spend a lot of time talking about how what people are doing doesn't make them town and trying to get lynches going
Also looking over their posts, I don't really know what I'd expect to see from their posting style as scum vs town. They look like they can get kind of in-depth but also focused as scum, which is how I'd describe their play here, if that makes sense.

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I am just confused by Shadoweh claim. I don’t see why town needs to know targets? Unless there is a clear indication that balance/alignment is dictated by our targets.

She is modmeta'ing that the role that investigates someone to learn their assassin target might upgrade to the role to investigate someone to learn their alignment. If she's right then sane cop is a bonkers strong role. It's not guaranteed she's right, it could get upgraded to "find out who that person wants to assassinate and also who it is that wants to assassinate them", or an entwined vanilla cop shot, or an entwined rolecop, etc.

The odds of getting upgraded in general are probably like, 40% by n3 in the dark? I am making numbers up. That seems good enough to draw the NK, I think. If it's not good enough to draw the NK it's not good enough that it should actually stop her lynch (pretty plausible for it to just have a scum rolecop upgrade path so it'd be mercy because the role draws the NK, not mercy because the role is town indicative)

From my point of view, there's a 30% chance we could upgrade her by night 3 without asking for her target or letting her know the lynch. I don't think we should be focusing on this, though

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There is a Anti target claim in place. If, you claim your target in the thread something very bad will happen to you. I will not tell you what. Claim at your own risk.

So is Shadoweh town because she has the power to make someone else involuntarily break their 'restriction', or is she scum because the basis of anti-claim is in scum knowing who has targeted who

Discuss

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VOTE: Bitbringer

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NM this isn’t like TOS, you wouldn’t receive any message, my bad.

stop claiming

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And tbh I was hoping I'd be modvigged but unfortunately claiming target doesn't do that. (definitely do not do it)

What did you think would happen if you told us who someone else's target is with your ability?

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2: I'm pretty sure Abu is town and pops and DNS are scum.

Also: based on what?

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And tbh I was hoping I'd be modvigged but unfortunately claiming target doesn't do that. (definitely do not do it)

What did you think would happen if you told us who someone else's target is with your ability?

I already told you, nothing happens. If I tell someone else's target that I copped they get to have their target known scott free.
Didn't I already clarify this to you yesterday? :igmeou:

Based on I think they're scummy and I think they're jumping on Abu as an easy mislynch because that's what they're doing with me.

I don't remember you saying this before, is this information included with your ability? How do you know that

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It probably helps to know who is trying to lynch because they want a role and who is trying to lynch for no eventual discernable reason. Do you have a particular reason to think scum benefits from knowing people's targets either?

1: I'm not going to claim my results as I see no way in which it helps anything but scum. Suck my dick. I definitely got a result though.

Also, you're making abrupt 180's on your stances here, or am I misunderstanding something?

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VOTE: Unwnd

I can't read NACL, I don't wanto to lynch abu or shadow

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Well, since no one said I wasn't ruining anything, I'll just ask.

Dunnstral (well, or the other 2), was what you were referring to in 890 mean that the neighbourhood isn't real?

Something like that

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Oh please. TSE is definitely still town.

Self-centric is working better for me when I think I'm being pushed for bad reasons.

I mean, you did get caught out saying your role was pro-town then contradicting yourself and saying it wasn't pro-town to out your results later

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And once again, I've mistaken Dunnstral as a neighbour in another game...oh well.

This also means TSE's no longer confirmed to me, since it puts the neighbourhood in a different light.

I don't know what you're referring to, to either point here

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If this is Town, this might as well die.

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So why aren't we aiming for mafia instead?

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So why aren't we aiming for mafia instead?

How do you know this isn’t Mafia?

You're arguing that if they are town they should die anyway

Backpedaling to say this is nonsensical

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Abu is scum I guess

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Thanks guys, it means a lot to me

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VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

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Can you spell it out for me, because I don't see it

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I'll vote Shadow

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If TSE is lying about this thing with Tris who is scum?

TSE

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If TSE is lying about this thing with Tris who is scum?

TSE

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Wow you guys suck

TSE or Tris tomorrow?

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Wow you guys suck

TSE or Tris tomorrow?

That will depend on what happens.
Thanks Tris. Your reaction never comes from scum.
Also now I become something that fucks mafia.
Good Luck trying to get rid of me now though! :p.

I'm not letting you live this game.

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You realize that Unwnd claimed innocent child, right?

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I can already confirm myself as Town.

Looking forward to it

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I don't think you agree with tse at all, then

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Also, I don't like you pushing that

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unwnd visited Dunnstral last night

Noticeably, you do not appear to be confirmed town, and I don't know what this visit is.

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I can already confirm myself as Town.

Looking forward to it

If this doesn't happen you're dead today

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By the way, I'm activating my innocent child tonight. My target died so I got the ability.

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unwnd visited Dunnstral last night

Noticeably, you do not appear to be confirmed town, and I don't know what this visit is.

Do you think an anti-town role intentionally announces who they visit

Maybe, maybe not. I don't know what your ability is so I can't comment

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I roleblocked Unwid

What night?

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Is this even a question?
VOTE: Tris

Bad

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Being a roleblocker doesn't confirm yourself as town, notably

VOTE: True Soul Energy

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I was hoping to become a double Roleblocker and Roleblock Sheep and NaCI

That still wouldn't confirm you as town

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And I'm not buying into "anti-town roles don't announce who they visit" either

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Also, I suspect that pops is scum in this game too

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Imagine that pops is laughing maniacally in the bottom left of the first panel

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When using PoE.
I’m
Never
Ever
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With
My
Final
Results.

You just fakeclaimed to get a town lynched?

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Information:

Me and DNS are both informed, we both know who the other persons target is, and both of us upgrade to the same thing - 1-shot vigilante

With that being said, my target is already dead, so I won't be getting that, but we believed that we were town because 1-shot vigilante would be swingy for scum, along with the unique situation of our roles

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The last thing he posted was asking me to push Tse with him today, and that there is scum in TSE/Pops/Tris, and that Sheep is town. Using a lot more words than that

With that said, I don't agree with Sheep being town

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I'm not sure that I agree

I think we can easily figure out a lynch without claims

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and both of us upgrade to the same thing - 1-shot vigilante

I didn't make this clear: Only one of us can upgrade to that, so it's like a competition of sorts

That's why I thought it would be swingy if Dns were to be mafia

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I'm VT.

What are your reads?

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I mean, I could have just claimed that Dns was informed that I was town and who would argue otherwise

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Ah yes, the good ol' pt cop in a neighbors game

By the way, my target is dead. Do you guys think I'm free to claim who it was, or no?

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i was not as much specifically wolfreading tris before yesterday rather taking gut issue with lack of solving and trying to pressure as much as i could because no one in thread would talk about the slot or vote there

I don't believe you think like this

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When was Shadoweh punished?

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Dunnstral, how did you know DNS was informed and the same as you? Was it as part of the PT from the mod or from your PM, or did you only find out by discussing it with him in the PT?

The vig powerup being only available to one of us was information inside of the neighborhood.

Knowing his target was information in my role pm. His role pm had information on who my target was. We also knew our own respective targets

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I too want to lynch Sheep and Abu

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VOTE: AbuHumaid

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She is, she's just scared I have the vig

Unfortunately, I don't, and that means we've lost

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NaCl hard carried me. Playing scum is bleh.

Dunnstral and I have been on opposite teams 6 games in a row. SIX

Yep