O_rlyIn post 23, Rautherdir wrote:So, change of plans, we'll lynch the vig on LYWIN. We could also have three other players to volunteer to never get lynched as long as a mime isn't killed. I guess I'll be one of them so I can explain how that works later on in the game.
Also, I think I just figured out how to break the setup.
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Why is it susIn post 26, Venmar wrote:
probably because it's in the mime's interest to be lynched? its how they win?In post 12, Farkran wrote:...why didn't anyone selfvote yet?
highly sus the way this post was made
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Def inclined to agree with you rnIn post 39, Enter wrote:Venmar is making a terrible first impression.<Embrace The Void>
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Lol this prob townIn post 47, Gyro Zeppeli wrote:Wait why the fuck do we wanna lynch townies if thats the case.
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This seems uncalled for, as well as not really being a good point I feel. Like Enter could argue your perspective is dumb too, it’s just a cheap shot to say that there.In post 48, Venmar wrote:
this is basically just you disagreeing with how im reading the game. you think farkran's post wasn't AI,In post 38, Enter wrote:I think you're either just attracted to one playstyle over another when we definitely need both, or you're intentionally trying to twist Farkran's NAI play into something AI. There is nothing in this post that makes Farkran's post look scummier (although you trying to push a post that's NAI certainly makes it look like you're trying to do so)., whereas i think it was. pushing a playstyle/tactic while trying to imply that such an action would be AI, should tell you something about the player.which is dumb
not to mention that you clearly think farkran is townie, so you thinking his first post being NAI doesn't make much sense, otherwise why would you vote him?
i've also already specified im focusing on the context behind the playstyle, not the playstyle or action itself. if you want to be dumb, then go for it.
this was actually poor wording by me, i apologize, but my intention was to point out that farkran had only made one post by the time gyro made his "townie" post. i was trying to gleam if you thought farkran's one singular post at the time was still townier than the gyro post you heralded as probably town.In post 38, Enter wrote: Well, considering Gyro hadn't posted when I voted Farkran, yes.<Embrace The Void>
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Idk if this is valid but why bring this up rn?In post 74, Venmar wrote:
also there's no reason why everyone shouldn't have a read on me and enter by now.<Embrace The Void>
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Yeah I feel like this setup probably ends up rather townsided via to fact scum can’t do quickhammery shit around endgame unless it’s just one leftIn post 75, Farkran wrote:
As long as town has majority (= always, because otherwise the mimes are endgamed and lose), it would be very stupid not to compromise on a lynch, especially in this particular game where it literally goes against your wincon. I don't think it's a concern we should have, as long as we pick a compromise early enough to avoid lurking/VLA shenanigans. Like, the counterpart of lolhammering in this game would be lol-lurking the deadline, and everyone who does will get stompedIn post 74, Venmar wrote:no-lynch becomes more likely over time, for the record. as we lynch more and more town, the mimes will have a larger % of the votes, and will have less and less incentive to vote on town lynches. once its 5v3 and 4v3, the town have to be unanimous amongst each other to get a lynch through, which can be crippled if even one of the mimes makes into a "town circle", otherwise mimes can just immobilize the vote without an all-town consensus to out-vote them.
also there's no reason why everyone shouldn't have a read on me and enter by now.<Embrace The Void>
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Wanna second this question tbhIn post 119, Farkran wrote:
How do you suggest we play this?In post 81, DrDolittle wrote:i really hope we dont play this game like a pseudo mountainous<Embrace The Void>
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I don’t get this tbh. You seem to be criticizing Venmar for progressing the game?In post 123, Enter wrote:I'm probably one of the pettiest people alive.
I don't know how on earth it escalated from me asking how does Farkran's vote push a mime Wincon into Venmar making claims left and right out his rear about "people should have a read on both me and Enter right now" "I have reads on Enter, Farkran, etc" right now. Oh wait, yes I do.
Venmar, dude, I asked you a question. You don't have to make stuff up to justify your reasoning, you can just say "I just didn't like it."<Embrace The Void>
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In post 125, Enter wrote:VOTE: Venmar
I actually don't care what his alignment is, I think everyone else in this game I either know or has been relatively agreeable so far, and I find I usually only have difficulties with one or two players a game anyways, so I'm gonna push this for a bit until we work things out or he gets lynched. I think the odds are in our favor that he's town and if he's a mime then we can afford to take one hit. It should become pretty obvious who his buddies are anyways if he's a mime, but I kinda doubt it and I really don't care long run. We're gonna win this game anyways, so. *shrug*Why are you voting him
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How about noIn post 129, Gyro Zeppeli wrote:Ez win: all vigs reveal and say who u shoot
Imo vig should wait for when town needs an extra kick, prolly close to LYWin<Embrace The Void>
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If you didn’t want that you shouldn’t have flaked buddy
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This post look pretty good on a quick skimIn post 147, Farkran wrote:From what i get from the latest posts, i think that Enter is committed to stay alive until endgame, and i'm going to respect that. He is either a very active and provocative town - albeit somewhat over the top with his plays - and we may need to keep people on their toes, or a real mime doing it for the towncred. I lean towards town, but in either case i'm happy having him here until later.
Venmar, i still think that the exchange involving me, him and enter was a bit awkward from his side. Again, this is too little content to have a clear read, but i wouldn't place him among my highest townreads for today. If i want to follow a strategy where the most obvtown players are left for pre-lywin, i could consider lynching here today because he doesn't look too scummy either. If i want to aim to the best chance of hitting town though, i would look elsewhere.
Hectic. Posted little, but from my extremely limited experience with him i think he does this type of introduction as town. Not sure if he also does it as scum.
Gamma seems a bit warmheaded but i liked his introduction, since i had similar thoughts about venmar. I'd say less drastically alignment involving thoughts, but i guess that's how gamma would express them.
I am not a huge fan of Pyrrha's content/posts ratio. He seems like coasting the gamestate. Not willing to lynch here today.
I really liked Rauth's introduction, regardless of whether his strategy is going to be efficient or not. Currently my highest townread.
DDL is completely null to me, no experience with him.
Map Wolf and Gyro's posts look like we're still in some kind of RVS carefree gamestate, but we're not - i expect more from those slots.
I guess this sounds like a readlist full of null reads... and that's because it is. Not being able to rely on votes and wagons make it a bit harder to look at scum intent and associative potential. Once everyone has chimed in (looking at you, @Pine @Creature), i think we should start defining our strategy and making compromises - days are short, and no-lynch is bad.
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I hope that’s a typoIn post 149, Gyro Zeppeli wrote:YoParkinsons, My posts are genuine. You can have more fluff later when i feel like singing some song lyrics<Embrace The Void>
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I mean it dismissive but it’s not wrong
However I announced I was going to be doing it so eh<Embrace The Void>
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You left the site without warningIn post 165, Venmar wrote:i'd rather you define what flaked means since im dumb, but i dont really care if you shade me tbh
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Actually if you don’t care about it why post this, specifically in a way that tries to catch my attention
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He cares a little if he’s saying that thoughIn post 174, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
Posting “big lol”, doesn’t really read as if he “cares” all that much.In post 172, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually if you don’t care about it why post this, specifically in a way that tries to catch my attention
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Was it two years ago at this point? Anyway, it’s basically my replacement for an RVS vote, eventually I might stop harassing you about it, idk. Don’t take it too personally I guess.In post 188, Venmar wrote:
as if anybody ever cared about me on this site. are you referring to something that happened over 2 years ago?In post 167, Gamma Emerald wrote:You left the site without warning
And I feel rather bitter about the fact you flaked, idk why but I do
if you came into this game intentionally wanting to shade me over non-game related things that are influencing your play then idk what you want me to say.<Embrace The Void>
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No it is towards EnterIn post 197, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
Who is this directed to?In post 194, Gamma Emerald wrote:You gonna answer the actual question?
Because if me, I clearly did and Enter seemed satisfied with my response. Apologies, you if were referring to someone else.<Embrace The Void>
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How would you rate the effectiveness of this strategy? As for your stated impression, yeah it seems about right.In post 201, Farkran wrote:
It means i see you as slightly impulsive, very direct with your words, with a tendency to let emotion guide your votes and gameplay. Warm, instead of hot, because it's not such a strong acceptation. I take notes like this to draw a profile of the players - the profile itself is NAI, but when a player deviates from his profile it's usually a tell for associatives or TMI.In post 157, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This post look pretty good on a quick skimIn post 147, Farkran wrote:From what i get from the latest posts, i think that Enter is committed to stay alive until endgame, and i'm going to respect that. He is either a very active and provocative town - albeit somewhat over the top with his plays - and we may need to keep people on their toes, or a real mime doing it for the towncred. I lean towards town, but in either case i'm happy having him here until later.
Venmar, i still think that the exchange involving me, him and enter was a bit awkward from his side. Again, this is too little content to have a clear read, but i wouldn't place him among my highest townreads for today. If i want to follow a strategy where the most obvtown players are left for pre-lywin, i could consider lynching here today because he doesn't look too scummy either. If i want to aim to the best chance of hitting town though, i would look elsewhere.
Hectic. Posted little, but from my extremely limited experience with him i think he does this type of introduction as town. Not sure if he also does it as scum.
Gamma seems a bit warmheaded but i liked his introduction, since i had similar thoughts about venmar. I'd say less drastically alignment involving thoughts, but i guess that's how gamma would express them.
I am not a huge fan of Pyrrha's content/posts ratio. He seems like coasting the gamestate. Not willing to lynch here today.
I really liked Rauth's introduction, regardless of whether his strategy is going to be efficient or not. Currently my highest townread.
DDL is completely null to me, no experience with him.
Map Wolf and Gyro's posts look like we're still in some kind of RVS carefree gamestate, but we're not - i expect more from those slots.
I guess this sounds like a readlist full of null reads... and that's because it is. Not being able to rely on votes and wagons make it a bit harder to look at scum intent and associative potential. Once everyone has chimed in (looking at you, @Pine @Creature), i think we should start defining our strategy and making compromises - days are short, and no-lynch is bad.
But I need to ask, what’s “warm headed”?<Embrace The Void>
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Even though this goes against my own idea of how vig should be used, I kinda think this idea is alright having crunched the numbers on it. I am curious if there is a way to improve it because it basically just accepts a loss in one scenario which feels lame super earlyIn post 224, Rautherdir wrote:I didn't notice Hectic volunteering. The group is me, Enter, Venmar, Farkran, Hectic, and DrDolittle. There are now four possibilities. Either 0, 1, 2, or 3 mimes are in the group that volunteered. The game is now divided into three groups, the vig, the group that volunteered, and everyone else.
What's going to happen next, is we're going to ignore what I said earlier about not lynching in that group. The vig is going to shoot someone. Anyone except themselves. And as long as there aren't 2 mimes in that group then town wins.
If the vig shoots town, then the lynch will be in the group the vig shot in. If the vig shoots a mime, then the lynch will be in the group the vig didn't shoot.
On every future day, if the previous day's lynch was on town then you'll lynch in the same group that player was in. If the previous day's lynch was on a mime then you'll lynch in the other group.
Once there are the same number of town and mimes, not including the vig, lynch the vig, and get a town victory.<Embrace The Void>
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I have ideas on how to read people, but no real solid format. For example, I think scum are likely to be more particular about who is lynched versus town, who probably will mostly just have people they do not want lynched.<Embrace The Void>
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As for the strategy I was fine with it before I realized there’s not much of a point where it would be wise to stop besides when the second mine dies
What might be interesting is if there is a group with 1 mime we select, and that mime is lynched last out of their group, because that puts us close to a win with a whole untouched group
Actually having brought that up I feel like 6 alive would be a good time to re-evaluate that strategy. I wouldn’t say to outright stop, more to see if and how scum has been working to manipulate the strategy. If they try to devalue it that probably means it hurts them, but if they try to steer it a specific way it probably is at least not kryptonite for them<Embrace The Void>
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Alisae also doesn’t play that much anymoreIn post 284, Creature wrote:
idk, Alisae is usually the spammy anime avatarIn post 283, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
no. Why do you think that?In post 279, Creature wrote:Oh right oh right Phyrra is Alisae, right?<Embrace The Void>
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What???In post 294, Creature wrote:
unless she's scumIn post 291, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Alisae also doesn’t play that much anymoreIn post 284, Creature wrote:
idk, Alisae is usually the spammy anime avatarIn post 283, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
no. Why do you think that?In post 279, Creature wrote:Oh right oh right Phyrra is Alisae, right?<Embrace The Void>
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I mean there nothing I feel like is worth talking about further thereIn post 297, Creature wrote:
He apparently likes to make long chains of posts solely replying to my shitpostingIn post 292, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
“Intractable”? What do you mean?In post 290, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t like that there’s barely anything I feel is interactable in Creature’s posting<Embrace The Void>
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Town has to all agree to itIn post 315, Wake1 wrote:Since I am confirmed Town I will be the last Town member to be lynched, and I will vote myself.
Then again if we leave all 3 Mimes alive how do I get lynched if they won't allow it?
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I think I townread Hectic the most but he’s not my preferred lynch in thereIn post 370, Enter wrote:just so we can see where everyone stands, I'd like everyone to, in their next post, point out the next player they'd like to see lynched from this list: (Venmar, Farkran, Hectic, and DrDolittle) or vote for siad player with maybe a little short blurb on why
That would be Farkran tbh, Farkran’s been pretty solid so far and the other two have a bit too much mime equity imo
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What makes you say thisIn post 405, Hectic wrote:Pyrrha, Map Wolf, DDL, Creature Mime team.
You guys need to sort out which if you is town.<Embrace The Void>
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Ok this is fair but you suggested a team, go through that pleaseIn post 428, Hectic wrote:
What I found Mime-indicative about your post was you saying Venmar gets towncred for correctly townreading Rau. Literally everyone in the game was townreading Rau, so I don't like that line of reasoning.In post 408, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:Fypov, how does my wanting not to lynch you today mime indicative? I’m liking your approach to the game and think it’s suboptimal for you to die today, which according post 404, you don’t want anyway but I’m not opposed to it either.
And yeah, would rather not be lynched today but I understand that's slightly selfish, so if you want to lynch me anyway, go for it.<Embrace The Void>
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I guess this perspective works but it kinda has a strange feel to itIn post 441, Farkran wrote:I'm starting to think all these "i want X alive longer" actually mean "i don't want to lynch there because i know he's town, let's pick a different target until i can find some solid reason to scumread the consensus lynch".
There are several samples of this specific mindset coming from Enter, Pyrrha, Map Wolf and Hectic. Among those, i'm mostly suspicious of Pyrrha and Map Wolf - there's no real reason to wait on Hectic now that he produced reads (which i mostly agree with), and i don't like talking about myself but i also produced a lot of content, although my reads have't been confirmed in any possible way. I mean, there's no reason to say i am better than anyone else, nor Hectic, until our reads flip and we're proven right or wrong. I feel like wanting to stall townread lynches is becoming a mime trend to lead lynches on mimes.
I mean, if we are to follow rauth strat, we need to lynch in {Enter, Hectic, Farkran, DDL, Venmar}. Out of these i'm townreading Enter and Hectic the most, and now that Hectic produced reads i have no reserves in giving him the peace he deserves.
VOTE: Hectic
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TbhIn post 456, Hectic wrote:Just remember that Creature's probably a Mime this game. He spam posts more as town, and his posting this game hasn't felt very natural. Also this:
In post 276, Creature wrote:tbh I feel like shit having to spam a lot, but it feels so compulsive
When I first read that I kinda townleaned it for it feeling like “I feel the need to contribute because I’m town”
Seeing this read on it kinda flips it<Embrace The Void>
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No imhoIn post 459, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
If his lynch was in error, does that impact the integrity of the game?In post 450, Venmar wrote:
yes, the mod thought it was 6 votes to lynch instead of 7, while also miscounting the votes since rauf actually had 5 votes (mod counted my vote but i unvoted)In post 448, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
So, was his lynch a mistake then?In post 442, Venmar wrote:
i mean pine hasn't posted yet so this game might've as well have been smaller. either way the mod counted 6 votes when there were actually 5.In post 437, Hectic wrote:The mod flipped Rau 1 vote early because he thought there were less players in the game and majority had been resched.
@modalso has pine been prodded yet?
He was very liking going to be lynched anyway<Embrace The Void>
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In post 474, Creature wrote:Hey look we accidentally lynched town to mod error
Also this reaction feels incongruous with your last post that I can see in the topic review window rn<Embrace The Void>
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In post 486, DrDolittle wrote:Who says vig shot should be used asap has more scum equity
I’ve kinda been saying this too, nice that you agreeIn post 487, DrDolittle wrote:Vig shot should be saved for the last possible day<Embrace The Void>
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Try an actual jester game for thatIn post 494, DrDolittle wrote:Man I hoped this game would just be full of shitposts of players pretending to be mimes and get lynched and the opposite is happening<Embrace The Void>
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Explain plsIn post 500, Creature wrote:Pine, Phyrra and Gyro seem most likely the mime team
Is that just leftovers or does some interaction/play by Pyrrha suggest that<Embrace The Void>
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Tbh I kinda do have an idea about how Pine handles replacing as each alignment but the fact he hasn't posted at all makes me worried it might have no real valueIn post 536, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:That post from Creature definitely pings me. I don’t know if Creature is a mime or using 0 level thinking but to mime read a poster who hasn’t even posted yet is very suspicious to me. I am definitely opposed to lynching him. It would be extremely easy to peg a no poster as mime in this setup. Unless Creature has some meta on Pine wrt to replace outs, this is concerning.
I get the sense he's the type to lurk about as scum and rep out as town
But yeah given Creature is doing this approach I find it very strange Pine would be in the scum pile vs the null pile<Embrace The Void>
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lmaoIn post 544, Gyro Zeppeli wrote:Oof RWBY fan, do you still like that shite?
After the first few seasons the show and characters feel dead af
Volume 6 is fantastic and I've only actually seen half of it (STILL)<Embrace The Void>
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Even Map Wolf?In post 559, Creature wrote:
Already said:In post 536, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:That post from Creature definitely pings me. I don’t know if Creature is a mime or using 0 level thinking but to mime read a poster who hasn’t even posted yet is very suspicious to me. I am definitely opposed to lynching him. It would be extremely easy to peg a no poster as mime in this setup. Unless Creature has some meta on Pine wrt to replace outs, this is concerning.
that's most likely the mime team because everybody else has something towny for them<Embrace The Void>
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Not quiteIn post 658, Enter wrote:If we lynch town today, Wake just needs to shoot town and then lynch him and we win.
One more is needed<Embrace The Void>
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IdkIn post 718, Creature wrote:idk, I'm planning to just lynch DDL next and have Wake88 shoot Farkran as Enter told
The game has been going really well up to here, where’s the resistance?
Also I still want that read on me
Only person exempt is Wake<Embrace The Void>
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I’m trying to get some reads by reading how people are reading meIn post 729, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:In post 727, Map Wolf wrote:Pretty good chances Gamma is mime.In post 364, GuyInFreezer wrote:VC 1.2
Rautherdir: Venmar, Map Wolf, Farkran, Creature, DrDolittle, PN
Venmar: Enter, Hectic
Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-11 16:10:35)In post 626, GuyInFreezer wrote:VC 3.1
gobbledygook - Creature, Pyrrha Nikos, Enter, Map Wolf, Wake88, gobbledygook
gobbledygook was.Vanilla Townie
Game is frozen until I find a replacement.
I think his failure to not be on any town wagons is concerning. It’s like he’s totally not even invested in this game. @Gamma, why the sudden interest in getting reads on you?In post 700, GuyInFreezer wrote:VC 4.2
Enter: Farkran, Map Wolf, DrDolittle, Pyrrha Nikos, Creature
DrDolittle: Enter
Farkran: chkflip
10 alive, 6 to lynch
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I did think you were likely townie earlier despite that but when is town!you so apathetic to what’s going on in a game? And you’ve coasting almost the entire game, so I’m having trouble seeing that as town.
Idk if I want to announce how I plan to do it specifically yet
As for my apathy, it probably boils down to not being used to this format. I feel like a fish out of water, very out of my element.<Embrace The Void>
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