Mini 2110: I hate Mafia (Day 8)

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Amazing

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Was planning to start this game when I got home, but guess I found myself on a trip to Mars

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Shit I failed to replace in another game

I am a failure

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Guess I'll have to keep playing only five games at once

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Who tf thought limiting urls in signature to 4 was a good idea?

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Do I get to do jester things?

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The vig should claim immediately, use their shot publicly, and then be the day 1 or 2 lynch.

You were just shot

Stop posting

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Oh oops, didn't realize that won't work

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Wouldn't having a confirmed town leading us be pretty useful though?
*Got ninja'd

Yah this

(if they're not too terrible)

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This game is good, because now you win if you get lynched, and if you lose, you get to play a lot more of the game!

Hence why I joined this game

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At least I now don't have to bother finding scum and trying in vain convincing town to lynch them

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Enter is pretty much town already

Easy

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Hey Esphyra

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Wouldn't having a confirmed town leading us be pretty useful though?
*Got ninja'd

Yah this

(if they're not too terrible)

The only one we have is Wake.

Oh

Let me check

...

...

!!!

Yeah, he gets to choose whether he lives for now or not

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Enter is pretty much town already

Easy

Agreed

What do you think is better?

I go through all remaining 10 pages and spam quite a lot or I just start solving from here?

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tbh I feel like shit having to spam a lot, but it feels so compulsive

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townies have to die to achieve their win condition though. mimes technically don't have to die either if they can get the game to no-lynch twice.

Oh well, you just fell to the trick

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Page 4

Oh no Gamma randed scum

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Oh right oh right Phyrra is Alisae, right?

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Helo Hectic to i hate mafia

ur a town person. good luck!

Ah, damn. I've accidentally slipped my Role PM into the thread. Quick, lynch me before the mod notices!

VOTE: Farkhan

So, the group is Me, Enter, Venmar and I think Farkran volunteered?
That would leave two more slots to volunteer, and the vig still needs to claim when they show up.

Very interested in this plan of yours, Rau.
I nominate myself as champion.

So Venmar thinks Farkran's post is scummy because of the way he made it and the timing of it. Mechanically speaking, of course it's not AI.
Venmar and Enter are both town I think. Fine with lynching Venmar in that case.

VOTE: Venmar

idk what to think about this

At first glance the four posts all together seemed to make Hectic town

Still like the first two

but now the last one feels meh

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Oh right oh right Phyrra is Alisae, right?

no. Why do you think that?

idk, Alisae is usually the spammy anime avatar

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Ugh, can't find the VC

Gonna just

VOTE: Rautherdir

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If he is mime at least he will be able to influence the game less

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Oh right oh right Phyrra is Alisae, right?

no. Why do you think that?

idk, Alisae is usually the spammy anime avatar

Alisae also doesn’t play that much anymore

unless she's scum

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I don’t like that there’s barely anything I feel is interactable in Creature’s posting

“Intractable”? What do you mean?

He apparently likes to make long chains of posts solely replying to my shitposting

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Well, one more person. I'm at L-1, if I counted correctly.

If that's the case, you not voting yourself should confirm you as town.

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You still can not get lynched?

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Yep, better to keep Wake alive to be the last lynch of the game

He should also keep his shot for as long as possible

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Sorry

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Yep, better to keep Wake alive to be the last lynch of the game

He should also keep his shot for as long as possible

Why?

If it's 5v3 it will also be hella hard to push a lynch on town

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VOTE: Farkran

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This is feeling strangely easy

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Hey look we accidentally lynched town to mod error

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DrDolittle
Pine
Gamma Emerald
Farkran
Pyrrha Nikos
Venmar

Rautherdir

Enter
Map Wolf
Hectic
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Wake88

Gyro Zeppeli

We need to find five more town here

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I'm pretty sure Enter is one

and so I am

but how tf will I be able to prove myself?

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Oh, was Hectic hammered already?

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Hopefully you're all right then

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The mod flipped Rau 1 vote early because he thought there were less players in the game and majority had been resched.

i mean pine hasn't posted yet so this game might've as well have been smaller. either way the mod counted 6 votes when there were actually 5.

@mod

also has pine been prodded yet?

So, was his lynch a mistake then?

yes, the mod thought it was 6 votes to lynch instead of 7, while also miscounting the votes since rauf actually had 5 votes (mod counted my vote but i unvoted)

If his lynch was in error, does that impact the integrity of the game?

No imho
He was very liking going to be lynched anyway

We were all talking about leaving him alive for later in the game though

Glad he ended up lynched instead

Feels ridiculous leaving players to be lynched later

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Vig shot should be saved for the last possible day

That's what I said

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5v3 is gonna be pretty hard to push a town lynch

so will 4v3, but at least we get to lynch Wake there

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Man I hoped this game would just be full of shitposts of players pretending to be mimes and get lynched and the opposite is happening

guess players would rather "live as long as possible"

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Meh, if Hectic flips town, just lynch:

DrDolittle
Gamma Emerald
Enter
me

then good luck finding the next town

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Pine, Phyrra and Gyro seem most likely the mime team

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Pine, Phyrra and Gyro seem most likely the mime team

Explain pls
Is that just leftovers or does some interaction/play by Pyrrha suggest that

Somewhat leftovers and somewhat they seem individually scummy

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Pine literally hasn’t posted tho

then he's just a leftover

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{Farkran, Map Wolf, Venmar}

I don't feel strong enough on them being town yet

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It shouldn't be that hard to tell I have townreads, null/town and null/scum

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Whatever

VOTE: Venmar

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Pine

, Phyrra and Gyro seem most likely the mime team

Man I hoped this game would just be full of shitposts of players pretending to be mimes and get lynched and the opposite is happening

guess players would rather "live as long as possible"

Good job on catching a no poster.

Pyrrha definitely shall never be lynched here

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That post from Creature definitely pings me. I don’t know if Creature is a mime or using 0 level thinking but to mime read a poster who hasn’t even posted yet is very suspicious to me. I am definitely opposed to lynching him. It would be extremely easy to peg a no poster as mime in this setup. Unless Creature has some meta on Pine wrt to replace outs, this is concerning.

Already said:

that's most likely the mime team because everybody else has something towny for them

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shouldn't be too hard to comprehend

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I'm 100% scumreading a zeroposter if everybody else is townier

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VOTE: gobbledygook

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Yes

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I'm pretty much town

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But some players think I am scum for thinking the most likely mime team consists of a zeroposter

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Even though I clearly said I townread everyone else

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Coincidentally someone from my mime team took the opportunity to attack me

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I am not worried though, we should still win this even if I'm never lynched

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But some players think I am scum for thinking the most likely mime team consists of a zeroposter

Well, if you can’t see the faulty logic of that and why that makes you look scummy, I don’t know what to tell you.

The mime team is 3 players
I townread 10 players more than Pine
Pine is in bottom three
That's why

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Coincidentally someone from my mime team took the opportunity to attack me

So, someone in your “mime team” can’t point out that you having a no poster in your PoE looks suspicious? Okay.

It's a shitty push 5bh

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*tbh

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Coincidentally someone from my mime team took the opportunity to attack me

So, someone in your “mime team” can’t point out that you having a no poster in your PoE looks suspicious? Okay.

It's a shitty push 5bh

Like yours isn’t?

It's more based on gut. Also you felt like unfocused of the game before you started attacking me.

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Vig is important for 5v3

It will be insanely hard to lynch town there with three mimes resisting

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DrDolittle
Pine
Gamma Emerald
Farkran
Pyrrha Nikos
Enter
Map Wolf
Creature

Wake88

- Vig claim, lynch only in 50%+1
Gyro Zeppeli | chkflip

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We need three more townreads besides Wake88

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the only tentatives to derail the rauth strategy (they need to, if the volunteers group is clean or 1-mime) have come from Creature

How so?

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What even was Rauth's strategy?

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I’m suspicious of Creature’s having a no poster in his PoE

Do you know what PoE means?

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I’m suspicious of Creature’s having a no poster in his PoE

Do you know what PoE means?

This is like the second game I’ve been asked this question. Process of elimination, normally that means lynch pool but in this game, it obviously means the exact opposite.

Process of elimination is actually the pool of players you

don't

townread.

So yeah, would be pretty weird if I

didn't

have Pine on PoE.

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Are you hesitating in voting Enter?

No

VOTE: Enter

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If Enter is town I think:

we lynch someone we're less sure is town (second top remaining townread)
if town, we have Wake88 shoot the one we're most sure is town (top remaining town read)
if town, we lynch Wake88 and win

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Enter, give us your:

Top townread (to be shot by Wake88):
Second top townread (to be lynched next):

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Whatever, just gonna hope you're right

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idk, I'm planning to just lynch DDL next and have Wake88 shoot Farkran as Enter told

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I thought we were lynching DDL because he's the second strongest townread after Farkran?

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otherwise DDL should be the vig shot

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VOTE: DrDolittle

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Still, I am unsure what the scum are doing this game

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When will DDL be flipped?

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I think if DDL flips town we just have Wake shoot Farkran and then we lynch him and win

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Five town dead
5 town left vs 3 mimes
Wake shoots town
4 town left vs 3 mimes
We lynch Wake
3 town left vs 3 mimes

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Alive:

Pine
Gamma Emerald
Farkran
Pyrrha Nikos
Map Wolf
Creature
Wake88
Gyro Zeppeli | chkflip

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Now I think we shoot Farkran?

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Okay whatever doesn't .atter

VOTE: Farkran

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Yep, gg. This setup was a bit townsided to start with, but rauth strategy was actually very well thought and laid out. If i were a mime i probably wouldn't volunteer either, given the premise of not being lynched ever. The lack of a factional kill, and having a town wincon that makes it unnecessary to actually scumhunt are hard to overcome i guess. Still, it feels good to win two games in a row on the same day

Who was scum by the way? At some point i thought creature was trying to derail rauth strategy, and so did map wolf - but both are voting me right now so... was my most recent read close to the actual solve? Gamma, Pine and... pyrrha, i guess?

I’m not really liking how you keep flipflopping on me. First you think I’m scum, then town, now scum again? Like why? Why are you being so waffley on my slot?

Not willing to concede? I can respect that, but you have been PoEd hard. If creature, map wolf and chk aren't town they are literally throwing now. No chance.

Would mean scumteam is Pine, Pyrrha and Gamma Emerald

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Farkran isn't hammered yet

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Could it mean Pine is town and won't ever vote so we're completely fucked here?

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Mod

Please replace Pine because he isn't playing at all

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Map Wolf changing his vote is wtf

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Oh look he's online

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If scum are Map Wolf, Pyrrha and Gamma Emerald, we'll need to shoot Pine, because he's a dead town vote and we need all town voting.

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Well, he showed up twice to correct his mistake yet didn't

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We can wait a little longer to Map Wolf, Pyrrha or Gamma vote you, otherwise we'll assume the mimeteam is them

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Again, if they're the mimeteam Pine must be vigged because he's the town vote needed to end the game but the slot is completely dead

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I have checked the online users list.

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Both you and Creature are townreading a lurksack who has been extremely active elesewhere online and you think that’s town indicative?

Why isn't he voting Farkran?

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Guess we're gonna have to wait 3 freaking hours to find out

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Or mod could simply say if Farkran is town or not then we can move on

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Well, I trusted Enter's read on Farkran

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Wished I had been lynched instead, but whatever

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It would have been a lot better to have just followed Enter’s plan because we 100% know that Wake is town.

Exactly, which involved lynching Farkran

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Now it's likely scum have set this and therefore I can't trust Pyrrha here

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I'm not trusting chkflip either

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Man, I don't think I am trusting anybody but Wake

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Map Wolf vote switch was hella bad imo

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If you’re town? I’m really not liking this unwarranted shade.

Dude, don't you think Farkran has done something to make his buddies look better and most likely to get lynched over others?

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What exactly do you think “scum has set up” exactly?

One of them being lynched isn't enough, so likely Farkran could have taken advantage of his lynch to make his buddies look better and encourage town to lynch them for going against the flow when Farkran was being lynched.

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It isn't TMI, should be quite obvious

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It isn't TMI, should be quite obvious

Why should that be obvious? You were on a scum wagon and fmpov there is most likely at least one scum on it, unless of course you think that both mimes were off of it, which seems highly unlikely, because I don’t think mime!Farkran would have self-voted if scum was trying for a no lynch.

I doubt both mimes were on though as that would likely screw them.

It's likely one was off and being set to gain towncred over Farkrain mime flip.

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5:1 guarantees the mime on the wagon a shot to get lynched if town decides to lynch everybody offwagon

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Why is nolynch even being brought as an option?

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I think we just find a town to lynch, a town for Wake to shoot and then we lynch Wake

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Yep, but can't feel confident on any other town besides Wake and myself

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I'll probably never get lynched, so likely we'll end lynching another mime and being brought to a 66/33 in F4.

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zzzz

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Boring game

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I just want to finish it

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So I can focus on writing only

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I'm fine with lynching any of chkflip and/or Pyrrha

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idk, I think I'm supposed to give feedback on where town needs to go next after I'm lynched

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chkflip doesn't seem to be trying to get himself lynched at all, seems quite the opposite judging his actions this game

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So you're town-reading both of us?

Yes

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Mod

Can we get a deadline extension?

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Okay I'm really tired of this game

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Please, get me out

VOTE: Creature

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I think chkflip is the towniest besides Wake and me, but do whatever

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otherwise you can do Pyrrha at your own risk

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I'm basing that Pyrrha townread on some main I think she could be

if I am wrong then fuck :/

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No, I shouldn't be shot. We still need another town lynched before Wake

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It's 5v2

with me lynched it's 4v2

then Wake gotta shot town to go to 3v2

in 3v2 we lynch Wake to go 2v2 and win

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After I am lynched Wake can take a shot though

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No, don't

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After I am lynched Wake can take a shot though

Chk and Gamma will veto it though.

It's easier for Wake to shoot you than you get lynched by all town

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like all I need to die rn is your vote

while in order for you to die you need to convince the other three town to all vote you

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Alternatively Wake can shoot anyone he wants if he's confident

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but really, it's suboptimal for Wake to shoot now

He needs to do it when it's n + 2 v n

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No, I shouldn't be shot. We still need another town lynched before Wake

Why? Why should we take the unnecessary risk of possibly lynching a mime and no, I’m not nearly as convinced as you are on chk town.

idk what are you saying

Wake shot still counts as a lynch

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The vigilante in this setup is basically a 1-shot king

Mimes still benefit from getting shot

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I just told you that both chk and Gamma are opposed to Wake shooting next.

Can they stop Wake from shooting?

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And I don’t care about that. I don’t want to take a chance we possibly lynch a mime.

You mean me?

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because if I am shot today then you will have to LYNCH someone not Wake tomorrow

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or if you lynch Wake tomorrow then you will have a 3v2 and will still need all town voting on town

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No, I shouldn't be shot. We still need another town lynched before Wake

Why? Why should we take the unnecessary risk of possibly lynching a mime and no, I’m not nearly as convinced as you are on chk town.

idk what are you saying

Wake shot still counts as a lynch

Yes, and you are currently my strongest tr, so we know, we get two town deaths back to back, right? So, it seems to me stupid to risk vig on any slot I’m not super confident on.

You

don't

get

it,

do

you?

If I am shot today and Wake is lynched next you will still have a 3v2. You will still have to either convince all other two town to vote you or correctly find the town between chk, Map, Gamma and Chemist.

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There are still seven players alive

Two are mimes

Therefore you have 5 town and 2 mimes

You will need to kill 3 town somehow

There's Wake and me

but we still need another town

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If you want we can postpone my lynch, we collectively decide on a lynch that's not Wake or me then next day Wake shoots me and then we lynch Wake

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We just can't have a 3v2 without Wake

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so I don’t want to chance either vigging/lynching a mime.

Well, sucks to be you, you will have to take a chance outside me or Wake still

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I realize that. The problem is I’m not yet confident on who that is. You’re the only confident tr I have rn.

Wake and I being killed first won't prevent you from making that decision.

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It's better we either solve today coordinating a new lynch while we still have to convince only 4/5 of the current town or have Wake shoot someone tomorrow

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You definitely won't want a 3v2

Trust me

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so I don’t want to chance either vigging/lynching a mime.

Well, sucks to be you, you will have to take a chance outside me or Wake still

But why should we do that, when I’m pretty confident on you town and we know 100% certain that Wake is as Well. Why not either vig/lynch the most confident tr first, which is obviously Wake and you?

After we both are gone, then what? You will still have players you're less confident on.

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I realize that. The problem is I’m not yet confident on who that is. You’re the only confident tr I have rn.

Wake and I being killed first won't prevent you from making that decision.

No but the, we only need one more town for the win, right? So, it’s a lot less risky that way.

We need exactly one town + me + Wake killed to win.

In 3v2 it's guaranteed two players will never vote town and 40% of the voices will be pro-scum. If town misvotes it can already mean a mime lynch and two more town to be lynched. So yeah no

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It's better we either solve today coordinating a new lynch while we still have to convince only 4/5 of the current town or have Wake shoot someone tomorrow

Well, I’m not confident on that 3rd townie yet. That’s the entire point of my argument.

So you'd rather go to a 3v2 where you need not only to find that 3rd townie but also convince the 4th townie to vote them while two mimes will try to get each other lynched at all expenses?

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so I don’t want to chance either vigging/lynching a mime.

Well, sucks to be you, you will have to take a chance outside me or Wake still

But why should we do that, when I’m pretty confident on you town and we know 100% certain that Wake is as Well. Why not either vig/lynch the most confident tr first, which is obviously Wake and you?

After we both are gone, then what? You will still have players you're less confident on.

But aren’t we still in a much stronger position that way, because we only would need one more townie to flip right?

Yes, but we can flip that 3rd townie today and then we just lynch Wake and I and win.

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We can do these ways:
Town X > me > Wake
Town X > Wake > me
me > town X > Wake
me > Wake > town X
Wake > town X > me
Wake > me > town X

But the less town there is, the more mimes can control the lynch

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I realize that. The problem is I’m not yet confident on who that is. You’re the only confident tr I have rn.

Wake and I being killed first won't prevent you from making that decision.

No but the, we only need one more town for the win, right? So, it’s a lot less risky that way.

We need exactly one town + me + Wake killed to win.

In 3v2 it's guaranteed two players will never vote town and 40% of the voices will be pro-scum. If town misvotes it can already mean a mime lynch and two more town to be lynched. So yeah no

But 3 will, so aren’t you proving my point? We only need 3.

Yes, but two mimes will work against it. What if they convince one town to vote with them? We will need two more town dead then.

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Like I keep saying and repeating, I’m not confident yet on whom else is town. so what’s your solution to that?

We solve that today lynching them or tomorrow where Wake shoots

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You're just delaying the inevitable anyway.

And delaying makes it objectively worse.

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But we don’t know who the mimes are and what if we lynch a mime next?

What if we lynch a mime in 3v2?

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With my solution, we are pretty much guaranteed two town deaths right?

Objection: even if we lynch someone else today we're still guaranteed two town deaths as long Wake and I are here.

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Isn’t that why Enter wanted a vig and you did two earlier, so what changed?

Enter wanted a vig when the number of townies was exactly the number of mimes plus

two

Town's number rn is the number of mimes plus

three

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Like I keep saying and repeating, I’m not confident yet on whom else is town. so what’s your solution to that?

We solve that today lynching them or tomorrow where Wake shoots

You won’t be here to insure that, will you? Not if you’re lynched. Not unless we either get Wake to agree or someone else to go along with that plan.

We can trust Wake also?

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or we could have two or three townies agree on something rather than all four townies

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How much time do we have left?

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If someone should be shot then it's not me

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Either you or Pyrrha

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I think Chemist is pretty much mime here

Gamma and Map I'm both really unsure

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If someone should be shot then it's not me

Why not you? I think you’re the most logical vigshot, as I keep saying.

And what’s the difference to you whether you’re vigged or lynched?

I'm one vote away from being lynched and we don't have much time

Enough said

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I think Chemist is pretty much mime here

Gamma and Map I'm both really unsure

Why are you so confident on Chemist mime?

Before he replaced in, you wanted to shoot Pine.

That was considering if you, Gamma and Map were claiming scum, in that case Pine would need to go in order for town to have a shot at winning.

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Also that’s not what I want to do with Wake at all what the fuck

You mean fuck?

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We can still just lynch me right now and then Wake can shoot someone tomorrow

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Already left my recommendations

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Lots of inactive slots fucked an otherwise easy town win

Also yeah Pine should have been force-replaced already, keeping him in the game was bad modding from your part

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Hahahaha

I'm sorry, have you ever moderated a game?

Don't shit on something you don't understand.

Considering each dayphase lasts 5 days and you need to not post at least 3 days to be replaced, then something is pretty flawed here.