629 reality mafia-game over

[icemanE]

I call the top bunk.

[icemanE]

vote: nhat

I like Cerebus' avatar.

[icemanE]

IcemanE: Why did you just vote now with no info for nhat?

Hmm... well, in a normal game this would the random voting stage. But I guess in this setup, with two people on the block, it's not really random at all. If everyone went random one of the two would be lynched without any discussion.

unvote

Good point.

[icemanE]

or......OR if you mean SHEET 17, then there is no sheet 17 because you only need 16 sheets for a 64 page newspaper.

OK, nhat is good, real good.

vote: Cere

Plus, do we really want a pig in the house?

[icemanE]

I don't know if I want someone who is smart enough to do puzzles as we are working as individuals. See bold

*There may at some point be puzzles,, trivia, etc. provided for the town.

You may not solve this as a group,

as there are different rewards that can be won. If you wish to solve the puzzle, please pm me your answer. I will announce the answer.

Yikes, that's an incredibly good point. Damn it.

unvote

[icemanE]

But it's also possible for their to be TWO anti-town players to choose from, so if we no-lynched, we could possibly let two mafia members away, versus lynching one.

But chances are much, much better that at least one of the players on the chopping block would be town, if this is a balanced game.

the poorer puzzle solver be lynched, if any person ought to be lynched.

If this is what we're going to base lynches off of, we should have both players solve a puzzle. Anyone have ideas?

As far as puzzles overall, if you've ever seen a reality show like Survivor or that Donald Trump show, you know that when it comes to INDIVIDUAL challenges (which is what the mod implied these challenges would be) you want the STUPIDER player alive - he's easier to beat and thusly win a reward over.

[icemanE]

Nothing in the OP suggests that these are competitive challenges, though.

It says there are challenges that we CAN'T solve as a team, so I'm guessing they're individual...

That said, there's nothing that suggests cerebus is a poor puzzle solver, and I don't think that's a valid reason to vote him.

This is an excellent point. nhat solved one puzzle. And that's all that has happened.

[icemanE]

It says there are challenges that we CAN'T solve as a team, so I'm guessing they're individual...

I realize they are individual, what I am saying is that the OP does not specify that they are competitive. Every player in the game could solve the puzzle and get a bonus, for all we know.

Another excellent point.

I wouldn't be opposed to a no lynch - but by the same token, I wouldn't be opposed to a lynch on either candidate, if there's a good reason for it.

[icemanE]

Vote:cerebus3

My strategy for this game on day 1 is to go against whatever farside22 is doing, because I am fairly confident this is NOT farside22 town play. Therefore, by going against her, I am more likely to get her scum buddies unless she is using a complex and strategic form of WIFOM.

That's all.

I get a little sniff of distancing off this.

[icemanE]

unvote:

Psovote: IcemanE

For trying to tie people together this early in the game and quick voting a player without thinking about the consquences.

Do I smell OMGUS now? The stink is especially strong considering that I'm not even a candidate for elimination...

[icemanE]

Coming into this game I thought it was set up like a reality show, where there are challenges, and the losers of the challenge are the candidates for elimination. If it's just randomly selected this setup is kind of broken.

[icemanE]

I see no real reason to lynch either candidate currently.

vote: NL

[icemanE]

Ashmite, happy birthday to you and me.

vote: NL

I don't see either candidate as particularly scummy yet - if one of them does something that changes my mind, my vote will change with it. In a rush now, will post more later.

[icemanE]

Wow this says nothing what so ever. How do you ever do it.

It's a skill I've been honing for years. The filibuster. [/joke] But like I said in my post, I was in a rush. Now I'm not.

I highly doubt that there are two cops in this game. What other kind of townie power role could benefit from going to night so hastily? If there's a tracker, then that's not so urgent in my opinion. A doc trying to usher in a night is unreasonable.

Perhaps BM just had a hard-on to see what would happen when it went to night, who knows?

That's the million dollar question.

This is not good. It is speculating on roles. It's a very odd backwards defense of BM in a post that attacks him, especially the bolded part (bolding is mine). Asking for a claim from BM, I don't know if I like it. There's no real reason for it right now. It can only hurt the town. I agree that there probably aren't two cops, though. That would be a bit much.

Did you really think the interplay with Scarlett and I was her just being herself? (seriously?)

I do, yeah.

Also, maybe I'm biased, but I doubt flavor-claiming will do much for us. I just finished Xyzzy's psychotic mod game, you should have a look - I got caught up in the role-names, which wound up having nothing to do with alignment whatsoever - every player in the game save one was named after a mafiascum.net player, and the lone player who was not was a PIRATE FROM TEXAS, and a townie.

If you really want to mass-flavor claim I'm down, but eh, with no way at all of verifying the flavor claims, and no suggestion that there's a correlation between flavor and alignment, it seems pointless.

[icemanE]

unvote - vote: BM

I agree with farside. We won't move the game anywhere without a lynch.

[icemanE]

I can see alot of upsides, and a couple of downsides. thoughts?

What are the upsides of the doc claiming now?

[icemanE]

also Iceman, you realise you are still voting for me right? 0.o

Actually no, I forgot.

unvote

Will post more later, have to go now.

[icemanE]

After today I say we make a policy to lynch every day - the issue with this setup is that it's not guaranteed that we'll have a candidate on the chopping block that we actually want to lynch.

The exception to this rule, of course, is if two confirmed protown poweroles are the candidates for lynch, or there are other extenuating circumstances. But NL'ing won't do anything but allow the scum to pick off our most useful players as time goes on. Tonight should give us good info though, with a doc and tracker working together.

as soon as I got my PM I figured it was a safe assumption that everybody has a flavor role.

I agree, it's fairly common that if one person has a flavor in a themed game, all of 'em do. I also agree that flavor probably doesn't correlate directly with alignment - the cop being everyone's best friend, eh, it doesn't click.

Let's hope for better lynch candidates tomorrow.

[icemanE]

To come out with the answer, I am the doctor. Of course, assuming I'm bluffing, the real doc should protect me at night.

Wait... WHAT? This is the worst claim I have ever seen. Ever. As soon as you're on the chopping block my vote's on you.

[icemanE]

If I follow the "Don't mention Khelv and BM" rule, I will have to make up picks randomly as it seems both farside and ash have. Just out of curiosity, how am I your top pick for scum? I don't believe I've heard anything about this before.

Out of the other 9 players, could everyone please list the 2 they find scummiest and the 2 they find least scummy?

2 scummiest:

Khelvaster (far and away the scummiest player thus far)
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BM
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Most protown:

farside, BM

Yes, folks, BM is in both categories. When he's playing protown (which he has a good deal so far this game) he's a big help, but he's been quite scummy as well. So that's where I'm at.

And with that:

vote: NL

[icemanE]

First you were not supposed to hammer (was that a hammer) for NL till everyone weighed in and two I said before I find your play scummy.

That was a hammer, yes indeed. I don't agree with the exercise - so I want to end it. The "exclude BM and Khelvaster" clause destroys the validity of the exercise in the first place, and the fact that it was proposed by one of the two players who we aren't supposed to talk about makes it pointless. We're feeding BM info, that's all we're doing with this exercise, it's not protown at all.

I don't like the way you are following.

I don't follow... what does this mean?

[icemanE]

You have changed your vote whenever you see others voting a certain way you vote along with it. I haven't seen you make any effort in doing anything in this game.

This game has been pretty black and white (other than BM) so far. I've voted for the obvious picks. I'll admit I've been a bit lurky, I'll try to put a bit more effort in tomorrow - but the "you can only pick from these two random players to lynch" rule kills me and for that reason I have moved this game to the bottom of my priority stack. Hopefully tomorrow we'll randomly have two good options, I guess.

[icemanE]

Ok, I buy nhat's claim, unless someone is going to CC it.

Anyways, who are the available lynches today? Did i miss it?

[icemanE]

OK then, I believe that nhat is not scum. Yesterday I suggested the policy that from here on out we lynch every day. Therefore,

vote: OP

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[icemanE]

<Not Mason.

@BM -

Do you doubt nhat's mason claim? It seems fairly irrefutable to me, barring a counter-claim, that is.

[icemanE]

FOS: IcemanE and BM

Reasons?

[icemanE]

Or perhaps I'm the memorable reality show star, like Omarosa was for The Apprentice, or Jonny Fairplay was for his season for Survivor. Or, perhaps for a non-villian, Yau-man from Survivor: Fiji.

Interesting that the villains came to mind first...

[icemanE]

What do you make of the comedian claim? Do you find Tomb or farside more scummy?

Probably farside, as I haven't seen much of anything suspicious out of Tomb.

vote: farside

A lynch every day, as promised.

[icemanE]

You see a person not posting anything and you think them not scum. I say look at K7 for people who do this and turned out scum. I at least have tried to play this game.

I'll do a reread, see if anything comes up. I can understand your frustration at actually playing vs. lurking. But I'm going to hold to my word of supporting a lynch every day.

[icemanE]

If you think I'm town since I am and have done nothing scummy at all and figured out that Scarlotte was acting up her role instead of being "herself" Rolling Eyes then that should say something to you people.

unvote - vote: Tom

Interesting. We'll see where this takes us.

[icemanE]

Vote stands if that is really your only defence.

I kinda want to put Tom near lynch to see how he acts. That's why I voted him. Plus having someone at L-2 is not good right now, I realized, so I pulled my vote off farside. I want someone lynched today but I want to hear both people talk under pressure.

[icemanE]

Hopefully we get 2 scum on the block.

Well, who knows if we will or not? If a scum wins the puzzle today, his prize might be (as people have said there's was in previous challenges) to choose who's on the chopping block tomorrow! I feel we have to cut our losses and lynch today.

unvote - vote:farside

That is not an appeal to emotion that is a fact. Look up the difference scum.

I saw it as an appeal to emotion as well.

[icemanE]

EBWOP: Their's ^

[icemanE]

Told you we should have lynched today. Game over.

[icemanE]

you're an idiot. The day is not over yet. Rolling Eyes

Hmm. I assumed the puzzle came after the day ended, but I guess not.

[icemanE]

If you had a choice, would you be a feather, or a rock?

???

[icemanE]

Nice!

I seem to recall saying this to Khelvaster:

Wait... WHAT? This is the worst claim I have ever seen. Ever. As soon as you're on the chopping block my vote's on you.

unvote - vote: Khelvaster

[icemanE]

vote: OP

Reasons>?

[icemanE]

The fact I believe you and he to be scum.

???

[icemanE]

For those who haven't stated so yet, would you rather be a rock or a feather?

Um... is there any particular reason you're asking this question? I don't see any value behind it, but maybe you know something I don't.

If I had to pick I'd be a feather, I guess?

[icemanE]

If Khelv (who I don't think will return) and ashmite don't post, I'll assign them objects.

How can there be value if you can randomly assign choices?

I'm failing to see the purpose of this exercise and wondering why Khelvaseter's wagon isn't growing. Did you all forget about his doc claim?

To come out with the answer, I am the doctor. Of course, assuming I'm bluffing, the real doc should protect me at night. However, I don't expect any counterclaims. If there are, you can assume the counterclaimer is scum.

WTF?

And I'm wary of OP's bizarre attempt to appear protown with his feather/rock ploy.

FoS: OP

[icemanE]

Nice OP, I retract my Fos and my disdain for your plan. Potentially, this could be very beneficial. Might as well give it a shot.

[icemanE]

Or I could just be WIFOM'ing you since I think you're scum.

I really wish people would stop including these sorts of clauses in their posts, like Khel's "BUT IF I'M NOT ACTUALLY THE DOC, PROTECT ME, DOC!"

Btw why is khel still alive?

[icemanE]

EBWOP: Khel is now Pim, so why is Pim still alive?

[icemanE]

Did Khel die? As far as I know he was still alive. But then he changed into me. Hope you like it.
What do you think about the claims as one of the four is definatly scum?

No, he didn't die, which is why I asked why you haven't been lynched yet. About the 4 claims:

Cerebus - Slacker
Tombolo - Badass
farside - Comedian
OP - Star

That's just for my own refernce, I'll look that over later.

But Pim, forgive me if I missed this, but did Khelvaster or yourself ever flavor claim? If not, would you mind doing so now?

[icemanE]

So Khel claimed doctor, and his flavor is student. Hmm... I don't know if that sounds right.

My flavor is the athlete.

[icemanE]

Like you said, he CLAIMED. And again, didn't you say that you didn't believe him?

...yeah...that's why I want him lynched...??? What are you asking me?

[icemanE]

Why do you want ME lynched?

...because you have the same role as Khelvaster, and I wanted Khelvaster lynched - by that process, I want you lynched.

I'm still looking at the 4.

[icemanE]

On OP - somehow I don't think OP would have asked the mod the question he did if he were scum, as it would mean a 25% chance of getting himself lynched.

Hmm... that's WIFOM though.

[icemanE]

That question was regarding why you wanted Khel lynched?

His claim is why I want him lynched. This is not how you claim doc if you actually are the doc:

To come out with the answer, I am the doctor. Of course, assuming I'm bluffing, the real doc should protect me at night. However, I don't expect any counterclaims. If there are, you can assume the counterclaimer is scum.

That's how you claim doc if you suck at being scum.

[icemanE]

Good point, Pim.

At this stage, I'm considering farside, OP, and Pim as scum, if there are three. After all, OP and farside did cook up the scheme.

Pim I'm sure of, the other two, not as sure of, but certainly wary of.

[icemanE]

Well I certainly missed that the first time through... gotta reread OP now, thanks.

[icemanE]

Well, based on what nhat just provided, vote: no lynch.

I'm not scum though. I realize that we shouldn't keep no lynching, and I even supported the policy, but, seeing as nhat claimed mason and I'm THE STAR!, we should have another no lynch, just so we don't mislynch.

Could you explain how being the star means you aren't scum? I breezed past this the first time, I guess. So far, it seems like flavors don't correlate to roles or alignment, so I don't see how being the star means anything.

Also, as part of his prize, Battle Mage hand picked the two on the chopping block. So IF BM was scum, he'd obviously pick two townies, one of which just happened to be mason, the other just vanilla townie. Especially after the no vote rule was proposed.

FoS: BattleMage

With the info now that BM was watcher, this quote jumps out as quite interesting.

Well, it's usually the reality villians who are the recognizable ones. But I think, in this threads case, someone was already assigned the villian/house bitch, which I would assume would be scum.

Where did you get that info?

Gotta say, I'm still shocked Khel hasn't been lynched based on his claim, but if OP is a more viable option, I'm fine with that. He looks a lot more suspicious in retrospect than I thought all game, and he was actually pretty inactive for a great portion of the game... pages went by without him saying a thing.

unvote - vote: OP

[icemanE]

For attempting to derail a wagon that seems totally productive, I'm calling the Op - farside scumteam ftw.

[icemanE]

PS - Sotty's points in post 473 are spot on and reinforce my thinking on OP.

[icemanE]

Let's put it this way, this is almost certainly lylo. We need to get scum today or they've got a perfect win. I believe it's OP, Pim (because of Khel's claim), and farside.

@ OP:

It's called bussing, or distancing, depending on the situation.

[icemanE]

OP - could you explain your vote on me in a way that makes it look like it's not OMGUS? You say you disagree with me that you and farside are a scumteam, and provide a reason for that. Then you vote me. Those do not correlate and in fact your vote is pretty much straight OMGUS.

[icemanE]

I still think we should lynch who I'm voting for. Let me put it this way - I'm not scum, and based on the experiment farside and OP did, they probably are. So vote them and let's do this thing.
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[icemanE]

If people wanna lynch me, fine, I'd gladly hammer.

Scum says this.

[icemanE]

I am going to try to build a good case against actual scum, that way, if I do end up lynched, and you guys know that I was telling the truth, you'll have a place to go from there.

It's probably lylo, which is why I'm looking at what you've said recently as quite scummy.

[icemanE]

It's too bad that it seems like role and flavor don't corellate, as you'd assume "star of the town" would have some kind of significance. It's a really tough call, but I would like to hear from the rest of the players before anything happens.

[icemanE]

However, it wasn't a claim at all. I don't know why he did that post and it was strange written, but that was it.

Are you retracting Khel's doc claim?

[icemanE]

I actually agree with Pim. Khel's claim was poor at best and with he quit the game right after I really don't think it mounts up to anything.

???????

OK, this cements that Sotty and Pim are scum partners. I am 100% convinced this is the case.

Khel claimed DOC and then asked the REAL DOC to protect him. Now Pim is saying she's not the DOC. How does that not "mount up" to something?

[icemanE]

Oops, forgot to

unvote - vote: Pim

[icemanE]

Well, if we're basing our votes on flavor than..

Not on flavor at all, dude. Khel falsely claimed Doc and then Pim made it seem as if she retracted his claim. Doc is a role, not a flavor. How is no one getting this?!?!?!? It should be obvious to anyone that isn't scum that Khel/Pim is...

[icemanE]

Besides what happened to the 'I believe it's OP, Pim (because of Khel's claim), and farside.'

Hey, Pim: Are you, or are you not the Doc? Please answer this directly.

Then I can explain what happened.

[icemanE]

I'm suspecting he was trying to bus his scum partner, but because of you and scot's interaction it's a good jump to make to save the scum group for a perfect win.

Clearly this is the statement of either scum or a fool. I'm leaning towards scum.

Scumteam - most likely farside, Pim, and either Sotty or OP. As soon as Pim actually answers my question we can move forward.

[icemanE]

@ Sotty - are you and Pim scumpartners? This is what I'm accusing you of - please tell me, with reasons, why you are not, if that's the case.

[icemanE]

I now ask Pim to claim her actual role, please.

[icemanE]

Reasons why it's fine for Pim to claim right now -

1. She's not the doc.
2. I believe her claim will prove she's scum.
3. Since she's not the doc, and we're probably at lylo, the scum already know who to target tonight instead of Pim (since, if there's a doc, he'll protect Pim).

So no harm can come from Pim claiming.

In fact, I propose a mass roleclaim, now.

I'll start - vanilla.

[icemanE]

my role is student of the town.

That's not your role, its your flavor.

Claim your role.

[icemanE]

Call me one more time she and I'll call you she as well.

You should be able to understand why it's an easy mistake.

OK, Khel claims doc, the asks the real doc to protect him. Pim claims vanilla. I was thinking one of two things - either Khel claimed doc and then asked for doc prot to avoid revealing his real power role, or he was scum making up a claim to avoid lynch.

The doc was killed night 3.

By NL'ing every day, we gave the scum (who most likely have power roles judging by how many town power roles there are - my guess would be there's a role cop in there, which might explain why they so easily destroyed our power roles) a huge advantage. We also now know (if we are to trust OP's question, that is) that at least one scum was up for lynch previous to today.

With this is mind I'm going to attempt a PBPA on Pim/Khel, hopefully soon.

[icemanE]

PBPA of Khel/Pim:

You have heard from me as of now. I am inclined to say that, given no better options, the poorer puzzle solver be lynched, if any person ought to be lynched. The reasoning is that the chance that either of the two selected is mafia is the same. The downside to lynching the good puzzle solver if he is town is higher than the downside of lynching the poor puzzle solver if he is town.

One might consider that the mafia get higher rewards from solving puzzles than townies do. If so, this completely destroys what I said, since good mafiates will be that much better than good townies, and the risk-benefit is once again the same for both good and poor puzzle solvers. What do you all think?

Honestly I don't know why someone would even bother making this post. It not only negates itself in the second paragraph, but it also uses garbage logic in the first. He says "the chance that either of the two selected is mafia is the same." This is totally faulty - yes, the chance is equal that either one of them might be scum, as the roles are randomized, but that says nothing about the odds of the scum actually being chosen for elimination.

Mod: How often do challenges come about?

Anyway, until we know more, I'll Vote: No Lynch

No reason for this post either - it's an easy way to slip under the radar, though. Sliding in to vote NL and then disappearing for awhile - I'll the you that until his doc claim I wasn't thinking too much about Khel, he did a good job falling through the cracks.

FoS: Skitzer

The wierd "distancing" ploy with Farside comes out to a massive load of WIFOM. I really can't say I trust it when someone says
Quote:
My strategy for this game on day 1 is to go against whatever farside22 is doing, because I am fairly confident this is NOT farside22 town play. Therefore, by going against her, I am more likely to get her scum buddies unless she is using a complex and strategic form of WIFOM.


Of course, if Skitzer were to be scum, Farside would be a logical next lynch. This is just wierd.

This is interesting. Skitzer was town, we now know. Khel would know that skitzer was town if Khel were scum. Ironically Khel is distancing himself from farside here by saying "If skitzer is scum then farside could be too".

There's part one. Gotta catch a bus.

[icemanE]

I am going to save the rest of the PBPA until after everyone else claims.

Still waiting on claims from:

Cere
OP
Tombolo

[icemanE]

Yes.

Need claims from:

Tombolo
Cere3

[icemanE]

Ice, I believe you are the only one who actually took Kleh's doc claim seriously.

Why wouldn't I? Because he requested replacement?

[icemanE]

I'm not in a rush - I'll wait for their claims, it's a much better course of action than simply lynching without input from two players at what's probably lylo.

[icemanE]

mod: any updates on finding replacements?

@OP:

Would you mind reading over and responding to what's been said about Pim lately instead of just voting a player who's being replaced solely because they're being replaced?

[icemanE]

But IF we're lynching people off of flavor claims, Tombolo by far has the most scummy sounding role (badass).

Who said we were lynching people based on their flavor claims?

Making a fun vote in a probable lynch or lose situation. Nice.

Yeah, OP, that's pretty whacked.

Um, about cere and Tomb possibly being modkilled... that's not good. That could mean a scum win by default.

mod: when is the deadline, and could you extend it until you find replacements? It doesn't make sense to me to modkill players at lylo.

[icemanE]

Awesome, thanks mod, and welcome to the replacements.

[icemanE]

OP - I think flavor is more or less irrelevant here, what's much more important is ROLE claims. Why are you so focused and intent upon lynching based on flavor?

[icemanE]

I see that Cerebus said he was the slacker, can I ask why he was asked to say that?

I think at that stage everyone except Cere had claimed their flavor.

Personally I think OP is using the flavors to diver attention towards the "slacker" and the "Badass" and away from whoever else is being discussed.

[icemanE]

My thing is, do you really think he would claim a role that sounds so incriminating if he were actually scum? I mean, the badass? If anything, I would assume he's the vig...

[icemanE]

Maybe, but then why hasn't he used the ability if that was true?

Well, it's possible that he has. We had a doctor up until night 3. However, I have a feeling he would have claimed vig by now and asked the doc to protect him.

Regardless, I would like Skruffs to claim, please, so we can move forward.

there is a pretty easy to see pattern between flavor role and actual role.

Really? I don't see the connections, I guess.

7.Talmadge Monroe - everyone's best friend/cop- killed night 1
8.Scarlett O - flirt/mason- killed night 2
5.nhat - modkilled day 3- drama queen/mason
1.skitzer - nerd/doctor- killed night 3

11.Gimbo

battle mage- watcher/loner killed night 4

The only one that seems to make any real sense is the nerd/doctor, but considering that all 4 of the other one's don't really match up, I'm assuming that wasn't intentional either. Flavor, IMO, has no substantial value in scumhunting this game.

[icemanE]

Everyone but you and skruffs has claimed. It's a massclaim. That's how they work.

[icemanE]

Are you always a huge asshole, or just sometimes?

???

My role is that if at the end of the game I'm left alive with a scum, town wins.

OK, so you're scum then? Or am I missing something?

[icemanE]

What do you think the odds are that there's a role like that in this game? Good? Bad?

I'm leaning towards believing his claim, if that's the case, as he sounds inexperienced enough that he wouldn't pick survivor as a fake claim.

[icemanE]

But does slacker really "make sense" as a survivor? Again, I'm still not seeing how flavor and role align meaningfully, and therefore I don't think they do.

[icemanE]

Here's the description of survivor from the wiki:

The survivor is a lone player who wins if he is alive when any faction achieves their win condition. Often the survivor is powerless, occasionally he may be nightkill immune or have some other power designed to help him survive to the endgame.

Actually, when you think about it, that role claim doesn't make much sense at all as being aligned with town. If he's alive when there's only one scum alive, that means both town and mafia win. I doubt that's the case. So he's either third party, scum, or babygirl has invented a totally new role (possible, but IMO not likely).

I'm reconsidering my position on the claim.

Rock - what's the

name

of your role? i.e., the person who can protect at night is called the doctor, and the guy who can investigate at night is called the cop. You've told us what you can do, now please tell us what you're called. I highly doubt you're "the guy who wins if he's alive with a scum".

[icemanE]

@OP -

I can believe there's a survivor, it's certainly plausible, but that doesn't mean it's a town-aligned role. Most often the survivor is a 3rd party role, meaning it has it's own win conditions - i.e., if they're one of the two final players, they and they alone win - that is, the town still loses. However, we're in the market to catch scum here, so we can set rock aside for now and deal with that issue later.

For reference:

Athlete / vanilla

[icemanE]

It's just weird that I've never seen a role that functions like that called hunter. Hunter has always been, as Rock said, usually a vig-like role.

[icemanE]

@Rock - the massclaim, once it's finished, will definitely be useful in more ways than one. Once we're able to look at all the pieces at the same time, things will start to come together.

[icemanE]

Just for the record, the regular voting format instead of the two random people was part of my prize.

@OP -

Any particular reason you chose to use the power today?

I like that. It works well and clears half the town. Can you find out before the day ends and ask the question or do you have to wait till night time? Because if you have to wait then I fear you will be dead.

That quote references OP's feather-rock scheme. This looks really strange coming from farside because: A. It doesn't clear half the town and B. She said earlier that she thought OP and I were scum together. So then, A. Why would she care if he died at night? B. According to her theory, he'd be scum, and therefore wouldn't die at night, and C. If she thought he was scum, why on earth would she trust his answers?

A. It doesn't cl

[icemanE]

@OP -

Did you have the option to choose two people to be up for elimination as well?

[icemanE]

Right, but if you'd declined to use your power today, presumably, we'd have a choice between two people to lynch again, correct?

[icemanE]

if he was a townie wouldn't the scum have hopped on and won the game by now?

Good point, Sotty, that's one of the main things that's been on my mind. I find it hard to believe that both Sotty and farside are already on OP in order to bus.

Also, I was thinking along the same lines on the power that OP used today. It's too much of a gamble for scum to take the chance of having two of their own on the block, and with only 7 alive there's a good chance that at least one scum would be on the block, which would vastly increase our chance of lynching them.

I'm pretty confident about OP being scum, but I'm gonna hold off on putting him on L-1 until everyone else weighs in on what I've said.

[icemanE]

I agree, I'm fine with you voting. Especially damning to me is the attempt to look innocent by saying "oh, i thought there were only two scum..." when we've been discussing how this is probably lylo all day, and a number of people have said they think there are probably three scum in a number of different posts.

[icemanE]

unvote - vote: OP

Here goes nothin.

[icemanE]

Nope, town here. You were most obviously scummy, so I went with my impressions.

Congrats to the scum if OP is actually town.

[icemanE]

And I guess we can always pray there are only two scum...

[icemanE]

Good point farside, I have too.

[icemanE]

Man, why didn't I think "that's not what hunters do."