Mini 2123: Greatest Idea IX - Game Over

[Sujimichi]

Hey everyone! I am usually busy on weekends, but I will try to check in when I am able to.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[Sujimichi]

[...]
If I had the choice of a scum role, I would have picked it.

Sadly, I did not roll a single alignment other than town in all three setups. It's quite distressing, actually.
[...]

Can you tell me what cards you rolled in the other two setups?

As it stands, I do not believe that you didn't roll scum in any setup.

I agree. The chances of that are so slim

Why do you think Yshtola Rhul would lie about this? This is posed to both EspressoPatronum and GlowingOvineChimes.

[Sujimichi]

Espresso, why no comment on Cakes discard?

[...]
I don't think [CSF'd discard is] a bad discard, but I no longer think it's a +town discard. I'd lump it in with the

other scum discards

.

I've been looking at most of the scum discards as roughly the same - etter than a town discard but not necessarily AI. Kerset's jumped out as +town though because it would be an amazing scum ability for maf/WW/SK but less useful for town.

If I had to rank the others in terms of how much I like them, I'd say:
Great:
Kerset - SK alien immune

Good:
TL - WW tracker
Cake - WW cop

Null:
Suji - maf goon
CSF - alpha WW

Bad/not useful for our info:
Titus - alien BP lover
UT - hirsute maf goon

Would you explain to me how you arrived at your ranking list based on the announced discard?

[Sujimichi]

Has anyone played with anyone else from this game in other games?

I have played with TrueSoulEnergy, Kerset, and TemporalLich previously. What are you intending to get out of this question?

[Sujimichi]

Thank you. That was helpful, and it makes sense to me.

A couple of questions:

1. - UT - hirsute mafia goon. An objectively terrible card for any faction, but it's really bad for mafia. The maf goon would get guiltied from seers AND cops. There are few cards worse than this imo, so we can't glean much info from this discard.

   If we cannot glean much information from this discard, and it would make sense for any faction to discard it, why do you have it as bad?
   
   

2. - TL - WW tracker. A tracker is great for scum, as it helps them hunt for enemy scum factions. It's less reliable than a specific investigative, but it can still narrow down options.

   How is Tracker better than Watcher in this regard? I would assume in a game like this, there are going to be a lot of roles with potential actions that will be able to be tracked and not just from a Mafia alignment.
   
   
3. What differentiates "not useful for our info" and "Null?"

[Sujimichi]

My question was not as to the probability of this occurring, but why you believe Yshtola Rhul would lie about it. What benefit does she gain given that, as you have shown, the probability of this occurring can be shown to be quite low?

[Sujimichi]

If he were scum, he could very well lie.

This is true. However, if she were Town she could also lie. I was wanting you to tell me your thoughts on why you think that she

would

lie. What benefit does it give her?

[Sujimichi]

If he were scum, he could very well lie.

This is true. However, if she were Town she could also lie. I was wanting you to tell me your thoughts on why you think that she

would

lie. What benefit does it give her?

What do you hope to glean from this line of questioning?

Your intent behind supporting EspressoPatronum's thoughts with regard to the probability of this occurring, and the genuineness of your thought process as to why Yshtola Rhul would lie.

I will note that you have attempted to dodge my question by asking a question of your own. Would you please answer?

[Sujimichi]

LoL You could say that GOC was trying to check "genuineness of Y'shtola thought process". He asked what is the point of your question because its stupid Suji.

One could say that, but she did not. Sometimes how someone arrives at their answer is just as important, if not more so, than the answer itself. Why did you feel the need to interject here?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: GlowingOvineChimes

[Sujimichi]

I find it interesting that you assumed the reasoning behind GlowingOvineChime's question without it being stated either prior to my response or following my response whilst simultaneously giving an answer for her that was not given. You are projecting your own thoughts, not hers (though she is free to state this was her intent if so), and I do not know if I find your explanation of concern for the Town's overall wellbeing as a viable explanation.

What is the "correct" way to ascertain alignment?

[Sujimichi]

I don't buy non imh's claim it came out in a sketchy as fuck manner.

How so? It is fairly apparent that he has been wanting to claim his role, for whatever reason, for a while.

[Sujimichi]

I would take cBG or mason over conspiracy theorist if I were BBmolla

I would definitely not use Survivor as an alignment, I'd rather be VT lol

Who did you watch last night?

[Sujimichi]

Why was that not your first post? Why did you wait until you were prompted?

[Sujimichi]

Why was that not your first post? Why did you wait until you were prompted?

Because people seem to SR me for being TL

I do not understand. How does your predisposition to being read as Mafia due to your username preclude you from announcing what you should see as a guilty in your first post and prior to being prompted? Would that not make you more likely to be read as Mafia?

[Sujimichi]

TL could also just be gambitting scum betting that with so many town dead they can pull off an easy mislynch
Caution wouldn't hurt here

Correct. This is my reservation.

[Sujimichi]

That does not answer my question.

[Sujimichi]

TL you're lying

Is this stated with certainty, or is it your belief?

[Sujimichi]

Then would not the best course of action at this point be to lynch TemporalLich? If he is revealed as a Town Watcher, then we know both that Pink Ball is lying, and that Cat Scratch Fever visited Ysthola Rhul the night she was killed.

[Sujimichi]

That was probably premature to post, and I should have waited for TemporalLich's response to Pink Ball.

[Sujimichi]

That's why I'm voting TL

Apologies. That was directed to the player base at large and was not specific to you.

[Sujimichi]

Pink Ball likely isn't town regardless

Why do you say this?

[Sujimichi]

TL could also just be gambitting scum betting that with so many town dead they can pull off an easy mislynch
Caution wouldn't hurt here

Agreed

We need to slowwwwww down guys
We can't let scum coast away with this game

I'd like to hear from everyone before putting my vote down

Espresso?

I would like to hear your thoughts beyond this sentiment. This is the second time you have stated it. What do you think now that there is a possible guilty on Cat Scratch Fever, and that Untrod Tripod has claimed the kill on Titus?

[Sujimichi]

I'm shocked Titus was town btw after that hammer

Hammered to avoid nk and detest day 1.

Apologies, but this is a team game and you deprive the rest of the Town a full day to look back on.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Pink Ball

You're causing too much confusion and WIFOM for this game.

You're either scum, or you're scum.

I am willing to unvote when this hits L-2 if further discussion is needed.

Why are you voting Pink Ball over your guilty? That does not make sense.

[Sujimichi]

Guy above me is probably scum too

This was my thought Day 1, but I did not have a chance to explore it fully. I am currently still of this thought.

[Sujimichi]

TL is flailing scum

Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?

Because he claimed watching CSF and CSF was roleblocked

Apologies, but he claimed to have watched Yshtola Rhul and saw Cat Scratch Fever visiting her.

[Sujimichi]

TL is flailing scum

Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?

Because he claimed watching CSF and CSF was roleblocked

Apologies, but he claimed to have watched Yshtola Rhul and saw Cat Scratch Fever visiting her.

Potato potato

I do not believe it an equivalent statement, which is why I wanted to clarify it. If TemporalLich watched Cat Scratch Fever, your roleblock would not have an effect on his action as players could still target Cat Scratch Fever and he would have seen the players that targeted Cat Scratch Fever instead of the other way around.

[Sujimichi]

Ok I'm fairly convinced that pinkball and suki are both town

Why do you believe this?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: untrod tripod

There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: untrod tripod

There is very necessarily one Mafia member between TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Why are you voting outside of this currently?

Explain to me again why this MUST be so. Is there no scenario in which they can both be town?

TemporalLich watched Ysthola Rhul who died last night. He states that he saw Cat Scratch Fever visit, and does not state that he saw anyone else visit. This implies that Cat Scratch Fever is the only player to have visited Yshtola Rhul the night she died. So:

1. TemporalLich is telling the truth. This means that Cat Scratch Fever must have killed Yshtola Rhul. There was no reason for a Town-aligned role to target Yshtola Rhul with a kill last night as opposed to a player such as Titus, which Untrod Tripod has stated he killed. This, of course, does not mean Untrod Tripod is necessarily Town, but it is enough that he is not the focus for today.
   
2. TemporalLich is lying. As Town, TemporalLich has no reason to lie. So, if he is lying he must be Mafia (or non-Town aligned).
   • Pink Ball claims to have roleblocked Cat Scratch Fever last night which means either Cat Scratch Fever is a Strongman-role and #1 above is true or Cat Scratch Fever is not a Strongman-role and #2 is true

Either way, it does not make sense to lynch outside of TemporalLich and Cat Scratch Fever. Given TemporalLich's failure to claim his guilty until I prompted him on who he watched (which I believe he took as an implication that he believed me to have a result of some sort on him), and his behavior since then, I believe he is the best initial option.

[Sujimichi]

I do have one more reason that I believe that it is TemporalLich, but I do not wish to discuss that further at this time.

[Sujimichi]

have you considered that perhaps GOC is trying super hard to prevent a lynch on her buddy for reasons that are unclear at this time

or that she's dumb

either way I don't know much you explaining something that literally everyone else has somehow managed to absorb is going to make a difference

I have considered the first option, but it does not hurt the game to have the explanation written out, and I was asked.

[Sujimichi]

I would like for EspressoPatronum to post before we end the day, but you may consider my vote there. Who is fake!RC?

[Sujimichi]

Thank you.

[Sujimichi]

If TL lied then the real killer was aware of it and he is the most likely to call this out. I doubt that pink would gamble on fakeblocking you but your account might matter in the future.

If TemporalLich is lying it is likely that he is the one who performed the kill. If a Tracker exists, and he was tracked to the kill, he had a built-in excuse with his Day 1 Watcher claim. This is part of the reason I was suspicious as to the timing of his guilty claim.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: TemporalLich

[Sujimichi]

It's between TL and CSF but whatever

Your result contradicts TL so it's you vs him???
If TL is town then both CSF and you are scum

Pink Ball's result does not directly contradict TemporalLich's result as there is a role that exists that could negate Pink Ball's roleblock. However, TemporalLich's result directly contradicts Cat Scratch Fever's assertion that she did not target anyone last night.

[Sujimichi]

I see.
I'd still rather just lynch TL

I agree, and you have the ability to cast the deciding vote should you wish to.

[Sujimichi]

I do not think that is the case, but admittedly I am not familiar with "role madness" setups. Even if it is the case, do you expect to find a better lynch than between two players where one of them must be lying?

[Sujimichi]

UNVOTE:

What would you like to accomplish in the interim?

[Sujimichi]

Let's assume that there are 2 factions and one vig to account for the 3 nks, who would be the top 3 targets for the big, in no particular order?

I am not sure how this is relevant to the current state of the game. Why do you continue to answer my questions with a question instead of answering?

[Sujimichi]

Does the number of scum change the fact that we need to pick correctly? We need to decide which one is scum no matter how far are we from mylo.

Which do you believe is lying?

[Sujimichi]

It's between TL and CSF but whatever

Your result contradicts TL so it's you vs him???
If TL is town then both CSF and you are scum

Pink Ball's result does not directly contradict TemporalLich's result as there is a role that exists that could negate Pink Ball's roleblock. However, TemporalLich's result directly contradicts Cat Scratch Fever's assertion that she did not target anyone last night.

Why would anyone openly admit to performing a factional nightkill?

Someone who does is 100% openwolfing

This has no relevance to my explanation as to why there is a direct contradiction between your stated result and Cat Scratch Fever's stated no action, yet one does not exist with Pink Ball's result.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: TemporalLich

[Sujimichi]

Suji doesn't know the concept of TMI, and thinks scum are brazen enough to openly admit nightkills inthread

This is untrue and does not form the initial basis of the contradiction.

[Sujimichi]

Apologies, but there is no benefit in attempting to debate this with you further, so I will not.

[Sujimichi]

Why do you find her to be the "most scummy here?"

[Sujimichi]

That is implied with your statement. Would you please explain why you believe that?

[Sujimichi]

I do not.

[Sujimichi]

It's so nice to have a townread. Both Suji and CSF are good town targets for scum so I'll try to protect them since it will be my last night

I roleblocked UT lol

Why did you change your mind?

[Sujimichi]

It's so nice to have a townread. Both Suji and CSF are good town targets for scum so I'll try to protect them since it will be my last night

I roleblocked UT lol

Why did you change your mind?

I didn't. I roleblocked the dude I thought had a killing action

Apologies. I misunderstood what you meant.

[Sujimichi]

alingment: Vanilla Townie
ability: Town One-Shot Dayvig

I guess then Suji is next

Discard

: Mafia Goon

Ability

: Town Watcher

Alignment

: Town Jack-of-all-trades

Resulting Role

: Town Watcher

I have a result from Night 1 that I do not wish to share at this moment. I watched Cat Scratch Fever last night and no one visited.

[Sujimichi]

I would like for GlowingOvineChimes to go next, please.

[Sujimichi]

That's great. If game hasn't ended Id suggest lynching the baby seal and if THAT doesn't ends the game then at least it becomes nightless allegedly and we let EP target everyone

How does the game become nightless?

[Sujimichi]

No particular reason he's just not sticking out as a townread to me.
That could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball though..

Then why did you choose me and GlowingOvineChimes specifically if "that could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball?"

[Sujimichi]

I'm assuming that's why TL and CSF claimed VT -- it's easy to get away with.

TemporalLich claimed Town Watcher.

[Sujimichi]

2) While it's hard for me to now prove my role, I can still be used to validate existing claims. For what it's worth, I made a comment earlier about SirCakez having a reduced chance of being scum. My thought process there is that picking the seer power as WW is terrible, so he's almost certainly not WW.

Why did you not assume he could have been a Mafia Seer? I would think that it would be a beneficial power as that alignment.

[Sujimichi]

Could there not have been another unclaimed shot at the same target?

[Sujimichi]

N1: Checked TL and got negative

Apologies. I forgot to confirm that SirCakez did visit TemporalLich during Night 1.

[Sujimichi]

1. EspressoPatronum
   - Town Rolecop
   • Checked SirCakez Night 1 - Seer
     
   • Checked Pink Ball Night 2 - Roleblocker
2. Kerset
   - Town 1-shot Day Vigilante
   • Shot Cat Scratch Fever Day 3
3. Sujimichi
   - Town Watcher
   • Watched TemporalLich Night 1 - SirCakez visited
     
   • Watched Cat Scratch Fever Night 2 - No one visited.
4. GlowingOvineChimes
   - Town Vigilante
   • Shot BBmolla Night 1
   • Shot Untrod Tripod Night 2
5. Sircakez
   - Town Seer
   • Checked TemporalLich Night 1 with a negative result
     
   • Check EspressoPatronum Night 2 with a negative result
6. Pink Ball
   - Town Roleblocker
   • Blocked Cat Scratch Fever Night 1
     
   • Blocked Untrod Tripod Night 2

[Sujimichi]

Thank you.

[Sujimichi]

3. Suji: this is my wildcard scumread. He apologized for not confirming SirCakez visting TL on N1 before. I fucking HATE this for two reasons: 1, pretty convenient watching TL who is an already flipped scum, seems like trying to get not!mafia reads on himself; and 2, because Suji says "I don't want to share my N1 result" that involves SirCakez, but actually asks Ovine to follow the massclaim. If you don't want to share your N1 target 'cause you want to see if your result will say the truth, why not asking your target to follow the massclaim? To me, it makes perfect sense that the mafia team did actually had some kind of guilty on CSF and TL tried to frame her, so Suji would be lying about his role.

I watched TemporalLich because he claimed to be the same role as me; and, as Town, would have been a priority kill target. This is why I initially suspected him at the start of Day 2, and also why I thought SirCakez may have been some type of investigative since he opened with a vote on TemporalLich. If you return to the events of Day 2, you will see it is my actions that caused TemporalLich to make a mistake that allowed you to counterclaim him.

I did not want to share my results from Night 1 originally as SirCakez had made the comment he did not want to discuss his role, so I did not want to say anything at that point. I shared my results following my return to the thread after he had shared his role. I asked GlowingOvineChimes to follow me as she is my strongest Mafia read.

[Sujimichi]

Who should I watch in this no lynch scenario?

[Sujimichi]

So, in conclusion!!

We no lynch today; EP rolecops Suji, I roleblock Ovine; if Suji is actually a watcher, I'd say bot him and sircakez are conftown, along with Silver Bullet of course, and we lynch Ovine; if EP says Suji is lying, we lynch Suji.

That's what will give us the most information today I think.

I don't really like the nolynch. What are the odds Suji is lying about his role? Imo very little in this setup. We're just giving scum another chance to kill, in the case that it's not just Ovine which is possible.

As a case in support of the no lynch, with the express caveat that mechanics is not my strong suit, and a separate express caveat that I have not played a game with more than one Mafia faction:

• We have had two members of a Werewolves revealed.
  
• We have had one member of the Mafia revealed.
  
• We have had one member of a third party alignment revealed
  
• We are currently at an even number of players (odd including Titus, but she does not count as alive).

We can make the assumption that, for a balanced game (which while not guarunteed is something that mod will at least strive for when selecting the setup [2]), it is likely there is:

• One remaining Mafia member
  
• No remaining Werewolf members
  
• No remaining third parties

By no lynching today, in the worst-case scenario (given the number of kills last night) we are moving from an even number of players to an odd number of players if the Night kill is successful. If we are correct in GlowingOvineChimes being the last Mafia member, then we remain at an even number of players with a successful role proven and more evidence that she is the last Mafia member.

I do not think we necessarily have to no lynch, but if we do and are incorrect on GlowingOvineChimes, we move from evens to odds which does not reduce the number of lynches to successfully find the Mafia member.

[Sujimichi]

We don't have an explanation for three kills night 1.

• Werewolf Bloodsucker kill (Untrod Tripod)
  
• Mafia kill (TemporalLich)
  
• Vig (Town/Mafia) - GlowingOvineChimes

What are we missing for the explanation?

[Sujimichi]

If EP lies then EP gets lynched after Suji...

This is correct.

[Sujimichi]

The third kill N1 was just the claimed Vig no?

That is my assumption:

We don't have an explanation for three kills night 1.

• Werewolf Bloodsucker kill (Untrod Tripod)
  
• Mafia kill (TemporalLich)
  
• Vig (Town/Mafia) - GlowingOvineChimes

What are we missing for the explanation?

[Sujimichi]

Because, if EspressoPatronum claims that I am not a Watcher, I will be lynched. As I am a Watcher, this will be made apparent on my reveal from the moderator. You will then know that EspressoPatronum was lying.

[Sujimichi]

And what if he claims you're a watcher, as you've already claimed but hes actually mafia? I mean I can say I'm a rolecop right now if I'm scum and I can tell you what everyone's role is because weve already claimed.

Does that make sense?

Then I am confirmed as a Watcher and not to be lying. This, in turn, confirms that SirCakez visited TemporalLich Night 1. There is always the possibility that one of us has lied as to our role. We are likely to lynch you regardless, whether that be today or tomorrow, of the outcome unless EspressoPatronum catches someone lying about their role.

[Sujimichi]

Are we ready to end the day?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Sujimichi]

I was going to watch EspressoPatronum. Do you want me to verify you are a Roleblocker? I feel like that was done with the lack of kill from Untrod Tripod last night.

[Sujimichi]

Suji, please tell me you watched Ovine

No. I watched EspressoPatronum as I said that I would.

[Sujimichi]

Given the brevity of this game, I would like to review it in its entirety before we decide on a lynch today. I am currently most suspect of Kerset, but I do not think that Pink Ball is as clear as I believed him to be yesterday. We have two chances to be correct on our selection, and I do not want to rush through this.

SirCakez is the most Town player to me at the moment, so I will likely never consider him so I need to just remove one more player. Apologies, as I am limited activity at the moment so it will be a day or two before I can do this.

[Sujimichi]

I think Pink Ball is clear on the fact that he got TL, a Mafia, lynched and it's pretty safe to assume that the last scum is maf

You are most likely correct on both counts. If that is the case, then lynching Kerset first, and then EspressoPatronum second if Kerset is not Mafia, is the correct path. As I said, though, I would like to make sure I did not miss anything regarding timing.

As I start to review, I do note that Kerset voted Cat Scratch Fever, unvoted once Pink Ball stated that he blocked Cat Scratch Fever, and then offered the alternative of a Strongman role.

[Sujimichi]

I think Pink Ball is clear on the fact that he got TL, a Mafia, lynched and it's pretty safe to assume that the last scum is maf

To clarify my comment regarding "timing": Pink Ball did not claim his roleblock on Cat Scratch Fever until after I had pressed for TemporalLich's Watcher result and subsequently started pushing him for his delay. There exists a possibility, albeit small, that they decided that Pink Ball should go "all in" on lynching TemporalLich given that I had not revealed my role, and it is possible I was pushing TemporalLich due to a guilty.

Prior to my question regarding TemporalLich's Watcher target, and TemporalLich's "guilty," Pink Ball stated that Cat Scratch Fever was "most likely scum."

[Sujimichi]

I think Pink Ball is clear on the fact that he got TL, a Mafia, lynched and it's pretty safe to assume that the last scum is maf

To clarify my comment regarding "timing": Pink Ball did not claim his roleblock on Cat Scratch Fever until after I had pressed for TemporalLich's Watcher result and subsequently started pushing him for his delay. There exists a possibility, albeit small, that they decided that Pink Ball should go "all in" on lynching TemporalLich given that I had not revealed my role, and it is possible I was pushing TemporalLich due to a guilty.

Prior to my question regarding TemporalLich's Watcher target, and TemporalLich's "guilty," Pink Ball stated that Cat Scratch Fever was "most likely scum."

[Sujimichi]

Apologies. I am not sure what that happened.

[Sujimichi]

I am simply laying out all potential scenarios if Kerset is not the last remaining Mafia and I am not alive to express them.

If you would like analysis as to my alignment:

• I am a confirmed Watcher
  
• I am a confirmed not Werewolf
  
• A Mafia Watcher has been revealed

So either:

• I am a Town Watcher;
  
• I am an Alien Watcher;
  
• or, Micc balanced the setup with two Mafia Watchers

[Sujimichi]

I have reasonably explained why I wanted to present the information regarding you being cleared, and your reaction is somewhat over-the-top considering what I have stated. You are arriving at a conclusion you would like to arrive at, and not one based on probability from the information that we have.

I have re-evaluated based on my read-through, and from my current point of view, the remaining Mafia must be in Kerset or EspressoPatronum. Pink Ball makes a decent argument for why it is not Kerset, and EspressoPatronum's entire play this game has been mechanically based, so I am inclined to vote EspressoPatronum today.

[Sujimichi]

Even if it's not, this game should be over by tomorrow, 'cause I'll roleblock whoever I think it's scum between EP and Kerset and I'll either get an inno or a guilty.

Please note this would not be correct if the remaining Mafia is of Alien-alignment as a kill was performed last night.

[Sujimichi]

Apologies. Life has been somewhat hectic recently.

[Sujimichi]

Suji on the other hand would be a cool scum 'cause his distancing was on point if he's TL's partner as we are assuming. Thing is, Suji doing a good job at distancing is absolutely on Suji's scum range as I have seen before in a game we lost against him with mastina.

So, you believe that both of the Mafia members were balanced with Watchers? In your post 773 you make a lot of appeal to emotion and are ignoring reason.

If you believe that I have a possibility of being Town, then it would be better to lynch in EspressoPatronum and Kerset (and mostly just Kerset) as we have roles that can still be utilized whilst Kerset does not. In fact, the most logical course of action would be to lynch Kerset today; and, if the game is not over, to block EspressoPatronum during the night. I am able to Watch between Pink Ball and SirCakez so that if a kill does go off and I choose correctly, I will have a "guilty." If the kill does not go off or the Alien already used their kill action, then we are at no further detriment.

As a precursor to "it is LyLo so it doesn't matter," that is not true as if I actually have a guilty result, I am in a better position (or equal to Mafia) to argue a case.

[Sujimichi]

• The game is not solved already, as I have previously expressed. The game is likely solved already. If I am lynched, then I hope it is remembered that this game is not solved after my lynch
  
• You have used balance as an argument several times during this game. Why is my use of it now suspect?
  
• Once again, this game is not solved.

I am fine being lynched today if that is the direction that Town deems appropriate; however, this is not a solved game.

[Sujimichi]

Read my post again and tell me what's wrong about it, 'cause you haven't.

Neither you nor Sir Cakez is mechanically cleared, so this is not a solved game. There is a high probability that the remaining Mafia is within Kerset and EspressoPatronum, but it is not 100%. It would be better to allow someone to act tonight to cover all bases, but I do not have the energy nor desire to argue against your push on me, and so if I am to be the lynch today let us go ahead and do it.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Kerset

[Sujimichi]

I have made my arguments and stances and have nothing to add.