Mini 2134 Gin's Joint Pick4U - GAME OVER

[mastina]

Hi guys.
I'm a third party whose wincon is to have everyone who is town in the game masturbate. This, very explicitly, will not end the game, the game will continue after I achieve my wincon, but like. I'm just here to get a good fuck, I'll help the town in exchange for them giving my win in any way that I can but like. I'm not gonna lie, bluntly, I've got one goal in this game and that's to get y'all to masturbate.

[mastina]

Hi guys.
I'm a third party whose wincon is to have everyone who is town in the game masturbate. This, very explicitly, will not end the game, the game will continue after I achieve my wincon, but like. I'm just here to get a good fuck, I'll help the town in exchange for them giving my win in any way that I can but like. I'm not gonna lie, bluntly, I've got one goal in this game and that's to get y'all to masturbate.

And yes, it is specifically every

living

TOWN player.

So like.

You could in theory get some scumhunting out of this!

If my wincon triggers, then you know every living town player was a part of that. Since I doubt I'm the only 3p in the game, that means you can get good info from it, so you've got no reason

not

to masturbate.

[mastina]

Btw, it's not really important to me since I don't need to scumhunt this game but just for the record--Bulbazak and Dunnstral are painfully obviously town and Enter is so town I almost named him as a third with them; you can pretty much instantly locktown Bulb and Dunn, with Enter as very very very strong town on the verge of locktown.

[mastina]

Boy this game is gonna be a nightmare.

You have no clue how glad I am that I'm a 3p and thus, not mandated to sift through its shit.

And to reiterate, my opener was not a joke. Dead serious, I'm a third party and yes, my wincon is to have every town player (specifically, town) masturbate.

[mastina]

Yes and mastina is also a mason with herself remember that

No, no, a masonizer who wins when my masonry has majority of the playerlist.



(At this stage tho. I kinda suspect Ginngie and I have this unique interaction. I submit trollish picks that are basically unrelated to the theme of the UPick but which

technically

could be considered to be following the letter of the UPick but are obviously in violation of the spirit, Ginngie decides, "okay you cheeky little fuck, you get to be a third party this game". My picks were masturbation--the role I got--, mafiascum, coffee, and estrogen.)

But for real. This time, there are no downsides to the town letting me win. Explicitly, the words used are, "This does not end the game.". (It doesn't say I leave the game, so not sure if I leave the game or not.)

[mastina]

Mastina, seriously, you need to learn to keep it in your pants.

Why?

Because I'm a third party who has an easily-achieved win condition that doesn't hurt the town?

Why the fuck would I not claim that?

I've zero reason to ever not.

My wincon requires an action from the town that is pretty simple.

I'm pretty sure it can work just by everyone posting in-thread something to the effect of, "

I masturbate

".

[mastina]

Mastina, seriously, you need to learn to keep it in your pants.

Why?

Because I'm a third party who has an easily-achieved win condition that doesn't hurt the town?

Why the fuck would I not claim that?

I've zero reason to ever not.

My wincon requires an action from the town that is pretty simple.

I'm pretty sure it can work just by everyone posting in-thread something to the effect of, "

I masturbate

".

Notably, I also never fucking lie about my role.

Never.

I am not a fucking liar.
So when I say that I am a third party who wins when I get every living town player to masturbate.
I am a fucking third party who wins when I get every living town player to masturbate.

It's also not like I'm using being a third party as an excuse to avoid giving content--I've told you that Bulbazak, Dunnstral, and Enter are all town.
Do

you

have three townreads less than 12 hours into the game's start?
I think not.

I'm doing more to help you win right now than you are.

[mastina]

Like, when I said "I am a masonizer who wins when my masonry makes up 50% of the playerlist", that was, very very VERY explicitly, a reference to Ginngie's last game, where I was a cult leader. Who claimed masonizer. And who did win when my 'masonry' got to 50% of the living playerlist.

It is ABUNDANTLY clear that I wasn't fucking lying about my actual claim.
I am a Chronic Masturbator--I win when every living town player has masturbated. This does not end the game. Me winning doesn't cause the town to lose. It does literally nothing to hurt the town.

[mastina]

Mastina could be lieing about her role when she explicitly said “only town need to do this”

Nope! I mean, there's nothing stopping scum from posting it, but I only need town to do it. The relevant parts, since it appears TWICE in my role PM (once in the mech section, once in the wincon section): " If you can get the entire town to masturbate, then you win the game."
"You win if every living town player masturbates." (Mech section and wincon section respectively.)

I don't fucking lie.

[mastina]

Because it can't possibly be trusted.

Right, PINE, the player who of all fucking people knows I don't fucking lie.
Saying I can't be trusted.
VOTE: Pine.

Or just fakeclaiming, as you OFTEN DO.

I never fakeclaim. I'll bend the truth, e.g. cult leader->masonizer, mafia disloyal gladiator->town loyal gladiator, serial killer->vig, but those sorts of bent truths are simply adjusting the role to fit a town alignment, not actual lies. The effect of the role remains the same.

I'm going to check the rules to see how strict Ginngie's quoting moderator communications rule is because I am pretty sure I can get away with explicitly showing that I'm not lying (but obviously, rather safe than sorry).

[mastina]

[*]You may not quote any private mod communication, nor may you pretend to do so. This includes but is not limited to your Role PM and anything posted in a PT by the mod. Paraphrasing is okay. If you are unsure on whether something has been sufficiently paraphrased, please err on the side of caution and run it by me first.

Damn.

But, to get as close as I can.
At 11 pmish on Sunday April 12th (so by most timezones, April 13th), in a spoiler tag titled 'mastina', Ginngie sent me my role PM. (In a pm called 'mastina role PM'.) The area tag used says 'Masturbating'. In the mech tag, the text, paraphrased, says, "Your ability: you're a chronic masturbater. If the entire town masturbates, you win the game. This won't end the game." This is a paraphrase, but I copy-pasted exact wordings of a couple of these sections earlier so you can see the exact wording used.

Following the mech tag, there's the hyphens/dashes/whatever you call them, outlining my abilities in a less-flavorful way.
The section called 'Win Conditions'.
Paraphrased,
"-You win if all living town players masturbate
-Your drug is stimulant, you can talk with other Stimulant drugs here". (Again, paraphrased, with an exact copy-paste of some wordings earlier.)

I'm not fucking lying.

[mastina]

Even if the game does end, if mastina wins via mass masterbation, I'm calling that a win in my book.

<3

[mastina]

if you incentivize your wincon by saying “only town need to masterbate” then scum are going to do so as well to blend in

Yes well I don't lose if "town masturbate and scum also masturbate", so that's not my problem. It does mean that scum can blend in and prevent being outed when I win, but if scum refuse to masturbate and I win, then they be outed and you can use that info, so like. Win-win if you're town and masturbate.

[mastina]

That's called lying. In the context of a Mafia game, it's fakeclaiming. I'm not an arsonist. I just start random fires in peoples' houses sometimes.

This is disingenuous as fuck and you fucking know it.

If I am a nontown player who is claiming to be town, and I claim the town version of my role, I am lying about my alignment but not my role.

Serial killer->vig is that shift. Disloyal Scum Gladiator->Loyal Town Gladiator is that shift.
Those aren't fucking lies and you wouldn't fucking call them lies.

You don't call a mafia roleblocker claiming to be a town roleblocker a liar, do you?
Then you don't fucking call a serial killer claiming to be a vig a liar.

[mastina]

I don't know. Why haven't you?

I don't know how to do it. mastina how should I masturbate?

My role doesn't actually say, but I am presuming,

You post "I masterbate" in bold.

^Because it does seem to work, via Ginngie's actions, yes.

There doesn't seem to be any in-game mechanic for in-game-mechanic masturbating so I'd assume it'd be as simple as posting your intent in-thread.

[mastina]

So Maria is dumb. Pine is dumb or scum. Lady is probably scum, but who knows. And Alisae is just scum.

Every time people say "Maria is dumb", she's actually scum.
Every time people say "Pine is dumb", he's actually scum.

[mastina]

Eyyyyyy
Did I sleep in or something? How are we already way into this game? No matter. Gonna grab a snack and get into this.

Oh hi Ari!
When I saw the vote for ari earlier I thought it was just a typo of Ali, didn't realize you were also a player in this game! <3

I'm a third party; to win, I need every town player to masturbate. I believe that's doable by simply declaring in-thread you're masturbating, soooo.

Help me win please? <3

[mastina]

You get me a pagetop and you've got my masturbation.

So this is post 167, you need 175.

[mastina]

This is 168/174.

[mastina]

Be prepared; this is 169/174.

[mastina]

This is 170/174, get your fast fingers ready!

[mastina]

Some asshole will probably try to snipe it from you if you mistime it, so this is 171/174.

[mastina]

And here's 172/174.

[mastina]

Homestretch, 173/174.

[mastina]

Carefully timing it...174/174, pagetop should be yours.

[mastina]

ALISAE GO FUCK YOURSELF

[mastina]

LITERALLY

[mastina]

I call you out for lying sometimes. You provide examples of you lying sometimes. And I'm the dumb one?

Not dumb--scum, since this was already addressed and answered.

[mastina]

Yeah, but your answer proved my fucking point, and I still got called dumb for it.

Uh huh.
Sure it did.
If you say so.

Your rage is also entirely fake here given that, too, btw.

I didn't prove your point; I thoroughly disproved it and your insistence otherwise in face of the evidence is enough.

You fucking know me.
You fucking know my habits and what I do--your accusation that I'd lie was disingenuous given that.
You tried to deflect by arguing semantics, ignoring that your original accusation was disingenuous given your knowledge of me.
And even in the semantics argument, you failed to provide a rebuttal.

You're just scum.

[mastina]

You didn't even know I was here?

Well you hadn't posted yet.

[mastina]

Maria has a post restriction or is faking a post restriction, and it appears her quoting does not count and put her onto the list. What does that mean mastina?

If she can, in fact, not in any way shape or form put herself on the masturbation list, and there's multiple ways she could attempt to.
Posting in her neighborhood which isn't the main thread and thus wouldn't have this posting restriction that she's going to masturbate.
PMing the mod that she's going to masturbate.
Quoting a post and making it 100% unambiguous that she intends to masturbate.
If she did all of those and Ginngie counted none of them (and I suspect Ginngie would count them)?

Then it'd mean that if she's town she'd need to die before I fulfill my win condition.

But like.
She could try all of those methods.
I don't think she has, nor do I think she intends to.

[mastina]

@Ginngie: How is pink the one who would die at deadline?!?

As of this post, 183. The vote count is correct.

What.
That's noooooot part of my role.

Nice as it'd be to have some form of lynch immunity as a third party, I aint got shit like that.

[mastina]

mastina do something!!

I don't know what to do.

Best I can offer you is maybe lynching someone (e.g. Pine) would override it?

[mastina]

Mastina, let me say this much

I feel like there was probably meant to be followthrough to this that is not there.

[mastina]

this feels like the posts of someone suffering from "boy who cried wolf syndrome"

It'd be more accurate to say "boy who cried sheep but the townsfolk kept on saying he said wolf syndrome".

[mastina]

I don't think there's any excitement in just asking everyone to do the one thing that wins her the game. I think that if it were as easy and simple as she says it is, she would enjoy a little resistance and seek to spend the game trying to lure people into achieving her wincon. I don't think she gets much enjoyment out of everyone immediately agreeing to do what she wants.

Well to be blunt.

You have the wrong read on me fella.

I play to win before I play to have fun.

And I'll go straight to the throat on those endeavors.

If I had the ability to win on post 1 or post 9999, your assessment would suggest I'd choose the 9999--I wouldn't; I'd choose the win on post 1.

[mastina]

If she's getting ran up for stupid reasons, it's very easy to see why she would get frustrated, especially when there are players on that wagon that should know better. There was scum on that wagon. Mastina thinks 1. I think 2. If you don't want Pine, then sell me on one of the other 3, but that's where my vote is going today.

This, too.

[mastina]

I've seen her get that worked up over her claim before and not be scum. That's a mastina reaction.

Indeed. You wouldn't believe the reactions I've had as town, unless you've seen them.

Granted, technically not town here but I'm

treating

this as me being town, so.

[Ginngie]

really

Don't know why I'm listed as not voting Pine since I did vote him.
VOTE: Pine.

all previous vote counts should now be fixed.

[mastina]

sorry
it's an addiction

Like a drug.
If it were one I had an addiction to, would probably have submitted it, too.

[mastina]

@Enter: You still have yet to give a reason why masturbating would be bad.

p-edit: This neutral 3rd party fear has always been bull crap. Most players with a neutral 3rd party still have a town bent, which means they are more likely to help town than scum if given the choice. Lynching them wastes a lynch and ignores any help they can give. They are an easy wagon for scum to push and hide on. If you want to vig them, fine, but if the objective is easily obtainable and does not go against our wincon, there's no point wasting time trying to kill them.

Pretty much this yeah.

[mastina]

Hi guys.
I'm a third party whose wincon is to have everyone who is town in the game masturbate. This, very explicitly, will

not

end the game, the game will continue after I achieve my wincon, but like. I'm just here to get a good fuck, I'll help the town in exchange for them giving my win in any way that I can but like. I'm not gonna lie, bluntly, I've got one goal in this game and that's to get y'all to masturbate.

Works in theory until you realize my wording was as close as a direct quote of my role PM as I can get without being modkilled, soooooooo.

[mastina]

Dunny, can we kill Pine if Bulba flips town

I mean, Bulb's definitely flipping town and Pine's definitely flipping scum so why do tomorrow what we can just as easily do today?

[mastina]

Mastina's role as described has no incentive to try to lynch mafia.

Sure doesn't!

And yet I am trying to lynch scum anyway because I townside as third parties, so.

[mastina]

Ari's been posting a little in the neighborhood. Mainly about people's drug choice.

Indeed. Still not out of his scum range levels of posting but I wouldn't damn him as definitely scum yet when we've got much better immediate suspects.

Lynch Pine, see what scum do, D2 reevaluate.

[mastina]

I'm having a hard time following the leap from

mastina

to

Bulbazak

, specifically

(Alisae/MariaR/Pine)

Well to be blunt--while that trio isn't the scumteam, it's got 1-2 scum in it for sure, so.

[mastina]

To my other point, trusting/listening to players who ask you to do things for them (especially factions that are not town) when you don't have complete knowledge and understanding of the result is

...Precisely what the game of mafia was built upon on a fundamental level and it doesn't work if you don't do this to some degree.

[mastina]

He refuses to discuss in good faith, his arguments are based in taking items out of context and misrepresentations. I don't see a good reason for a town player to be deceitful in this way

Mate frankly that's a description of your play, not Bulb's.

[mastina]

My problem with mastina's claim is that if fewer town is alive, it becomes easier to achieve her wincon. And from scum's perspective, it's better for them that mastina leaves the game instead of lynching her because that's one less lynch on town to achieve their wincon. So her 3p is scum sided.

All the more reason to fulfill it today rather than on D3 or so.

My OTHER problem with mastina's claim is that she would've probably noticed that and I don't believe she's a 3p

Well tough. I absolutely am. I will flip masturbator and the wincon will be shown to you all plain as day to be

precisely

, down to the letter, what I claimed it to be. Where I win by getting every living town player to masturbate and that this doesn't end the game.

I don't fucking lie about my role and you fucking KNOW I don't fucking lie about my roles PB so sure you can be scum here.

[mastina]

Which means town that don't consent to her claim are more likely to get shot at night

Considering the majority of those who aren't consenting are players who I'd find suspect.

I don't see this as a bad thing.
Scum would need to shoot scummy players, which makes lynching scum easier.

[mastina]

YOU WERE A FUCKING WOLF?!???

Yeah, Tally and I were werewolves. I instantly knew from there being only two of us with me having a 3p wincon (that I had every intention of winning through--this game counts as a 3p game, not a scumgame), that this game was probably multiball, and that there were probably mafia in the game to genuinely scumhunt.

In my short time here, my reads were all genuine because I legitimately thought that there was no way the mod made a game where there were only two groupscum with one of said groupscum being 3p, so I basically deduced that Tally was

essentially

a serial killer here.

[mastina]

And congrats mastina/Reck for...doing whatever you did to win this XD

I mean I knew masturbation was a free win, so obviously I was going for it over the far harder basically-serial-killer wincon which I knew was not going to end well in a Ginngie game with multiple probable roleswaps.

Ergo, I was aiming to win through the 3p wincon.

I never lied about anything in my role, by the way, I simply...omitted that

on top

of the 3p parts I so

happened

to technically have a scum wincon. Just...a scum wincon I had zero intention of trying to fulfill. Here was my role PM for reference:

Spoiler: mastina

masturbating

Your ability is to: You are a chronic masturbater. If you can get the entire town to masturbate, then you win the game. This does not end the game.

Win Conditions
-You are aligned with the Wolves, you win when you control 50% of the town and nothing can stop you.
-You win if every living town player masturbates.
-Your drug is stimulant, here you can talk with other Stimulant type drugs.
-You may talk with your partners here: Wolf PT

As I said, I basically verbatim quoted my role PM! Minus one detail of it.

[mastina]

MAIN QUESTION: Was this a fun game or no

It was tremendously hilarious to me, but I admit that might just be due to me getting to be a third party...AGAIN.