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Auro what would you think if Titus flips town"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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In post 1904, acryon wrote:
Shoot this pings.In post 1887, GuiltyLion wrote:also Titus if youD1 and GL/Auro interactions you'd also see that we're pretty transparently not partners, I'm not capable as scum of faking the level of frustration I felt with him and the degree to which we engaged about the game on a wide variety of frontsactually read
pings in what sense? That you disagree with it, or that scum is more likely to say it?
Our ISO combined has 570+ posts, of which I'd guess conservatively at least 80-100 (if not more) are us directly talking to each other, often walling, and constantly pushing for further explanation or pressuring on thoughts.
Again, look at the last scum game I played with Atari, we sent maybe 5-6 total questions towards each other and they were all pretty tame one-liners. I'm an engineer, not a drama student, I'm straight up not capable of the degree of theatre required to have the combined ISO I have with Auro this game. Like this would easily be my greatest scumgame ever played if I'm scum with Auro here."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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on this -In post 1901, Auro wrote:
It's useful to sort this out anyway because I could very well be conf-biased. Why would Eve be scum if Titus is town? I don't see it.In post 1899, GuiltyLion wrote:Auro what would you think if Titus flips town
the only thing Titus has said that I've liked so far is when she acknowledged that if she was wrong on both of us, that Eve was probscum for "sucking up and leaving". I do think Eve's interactions with her don't strike me as likely to be T-T, and I also think Eve fits a good POE candidate if I've been off so far on both scum!Karnage and scum!Titus"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Why do you say it's 'proactive'? Titus was saying Auro/GL are distancing partners based on our behavior in response to her.In post 1910, acryon wrote:I don't like proactively offering up reasons for why you would or wouldn't do something as scumin response to that, I pointed out that I believe the entirety of our D1 play is outside of my scumrange. That's not proactive, it's a direct rejoinder to a claim that she made"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Acryon what happened to your Eve scumread? You spent most of D1 voting Eve and still seemed suspicious of her D2, but have barely interacted with her or pushed her today"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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yeah this is what I was trying to say earlier as well, I think scum!skitter paired with scum!Rex is a little more cautious/careful about defending him when the thread starts looking in his directionIn post 1963, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Controversial opinion, I actually think skitter looks way worse on a Titus townflip than on a Titus scumflip. If she's scum with Titus she's basically betting the game on being able to deflect the vote away from Titus, but her reasoning is vague and she isn't pushing a counterwagon. That is much more of a whiteknighting archetype than a partner defending one.
Actually the more I think about the more I feel like skitter/Titus isn't a viable team. I'll have to talk to lilith about this because I think that's her solve atm."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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This is a crucial VC that I feel will help with some flips after todayIn post 2003, northsidegal wrote:Votecount 2.8
Target Wagon acryon(3)Atarashi Hajimari (1660), Auro (1929), Eve (1956) Titus(2)The Limit Does Not Exist (1635), BBmolla (1903) Eve(2)acryon (1978), Titus (1979) Not Voting(2)GuiltyLion (1780), skitter30 (1877)
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-14 17:47:59).
I spent some time trying to figure out how I currently feel about it but I think there's a bit too many assumptions for me to get a solve from it
but I do think both acryon/Titus voting Eve as their counterwagon makes Eve the wrong lynch today even if one of those slots is town
and in terms of "where are my townreads voting", it makes Titus feel like the best lynch here.
my current reads are like
super town - {Limit, Molla, Atari}
prob town, enough to not want today but reconsider at LYLO tier - {Skit, Auro}
meh - {Eve, Acryon, Titus}
which is both convenient and horribly inconvenient that this VC is the way that it is with me feeling ambivalent about all three wagons"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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why is acryon probably town on a Titus scum flip?In post 2053, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:acryon is probably town.
I'm not trying to disagree with you I just don't have a clear idea why off the top of my head"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I like this post a lotIn post 2055, Auro wrote:He doesn't have any solid reads, but his posting before that seemed to indicate confidence in certain reasoning. I disagree with his evaluations on various slots including myself, Eve, Molla (I townread Molla for other reasons, but I have a problem with his evaluation of things). The whole "Auro/GL isn't TvT, I don't know where, I guess Auro" seems fake. I've had MUCH more to my play yesterday than the copbloc thing: that play doesn't purely revolve around mechanics, it means I actually have to identify town and scum candidates before I dictate it, which I was actively doing - so dismissing all of that play because the cop's dead feels disingenuous. When I made a U-Turn on Titus, suddenly Eve got voted by both Skitter and Acryon, and their reasoning for Eve!scum would apply earlier too: where was that when Titus was being pushed? I feel like Titus is town, and Skitter/Crayon were both just lulling around thinking that lynch would go through; when I disbanded that, suddenly both of them think I'm second likeliest scum, and both Eve. A little fishy, no?
Acryon also tried to discredit my "Auro-GL cannot be a team" logic by invalidating the entire concept of self-meta, rather than looking critically at my point that if we are the team we engaged in the most labored, obnoxious, thread spammy theater for hundreds of posts on D1 which I simply basically never do as scum"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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VOTE: acryon
I think this is the best lynch.
I have a work meeting in a few min so I'll be back in a little bit, but when it comes down to it I feel Acryon's posts are a really good emulation/performance of what reasoning and solving is supposed to look like, rather than a holistic attempt to actually solve. The way his Eve scum read disappeared for most of D2 when thread attention was elsewhere and then came back at deadline in time to counter to Titus/his own wagon feels more convenient than a genuine belief in scum!Eve he's had."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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On this, this is one of those Bayesian things where I think town should be looking at what isIn post 2090, acryon wrote:I'm sorry but I've seen thread spammy theater before. I'm glad you supposedly don't engage in that as scum, but even then there's a first time for everything isn't there? That's why I had a problem with that kind of defense--it just doesn't mean anything.likelynot what ispossible
is itpossiblethat Auro and I are a team and we decided to play D1 by arguing with each other in circles over whether and why I townread Eve, why I scumread Allo, why I townread Skitter, etc etc etc ad nauseum? Is itpossiblethat I decided to fake getting progressively more and more frustrated at his endless series of "but why" questions, questions about reads that ultimately don't matter at all in securing a D1 mislynch on anyone but us? Sure, anything's possible.
But is itlikely? Given that the odds of Auro/GL being the exact solve in a vacuum, is already very low? Given that my meta and history as a player consistently shows a lack of ability/willingness/effort to wall and tryhard so much on D1 when it's not needed? Given that neither of us were especially suspected slots on D1 in danger of lynch, and there was a wealth of slots (Karnage, Eve, Molla, Allo, Rex) barely posting half as much content combined?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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if you flip town then Eve will have been a counterwagon to two town slots and will likely not make it through F5"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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oooh that feels like a promising twilight post
give us the scumflip NSG pls"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I haven't gotten around to rereading this game yet, I will do so today, I need to hard reset
Auro over Limit is a weird shot there IMO
Molla who do you think was scum on the wagon"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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sorry I still haven't reread the game and had time to effort yet and I've been putting that off
my gut is telling me Titus is town here, or at least more town than Skitter, but I do actually want to reread
Titus - regarding your latest post, yes, I thought Eve was town, and did not want to vote there. That doesn't make me scum."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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this is basically where my head is at right now, but I want to do my homework cause I'm not quite sure either Skitter/Titus or Skitter/Eve teams feel like they make perfect sense to me
we've only had mislynches and the TA was shot n1, this game is going pretty well for scum rn lmaoIn post 2178, Titus wrote:I just feel that strongly I am not wrong. The Skitter in team mafia was competent and carried. This skitter is not a carry at all."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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notable early game skit/eve interactions
I feel it's less likely skit indirectly defends a buddy this wayIn post 96, skitter30 wrote:
what are you thinking about their entrance?In post 93, nomnomnom wrote:That awkward moment when to want to vote and unvote someone at the same time.
Blergh
VOTE: Eve let's see what happens here
this would be a whole lotta theater, especially the end:
Spoiler:
also worth noting the question about Eve's recent scum game never really went anywhere
^this is sneaky sly if this is S talking about SIn post 254, skitter30 wrote: i was thinking of voting allo but i was kinda getting the vibe that if did l-1 eve might lolhammer and don't think we're quite ready for that yet"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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also bold... but feels more likely IMO than some of the skit/eve interactions being theaterIn post 263, skitter30 wrote:
oh this is an interesting take, why is that?In post 260, BBmolla wrote:I don't think Rex and Skitter are scum together"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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In post 485, skitter30 wrote:
this all at once sounds: svs, wishy-washy, and throwing in platitudes to try to prevent an allo lynch (which isn't imminently happening anyways ...)In post 371, SausasaurusRex wrote:I don’t think we should follow through with the allomancer lynch. Whilst his ISO isn’tgood, it’s not terrible either. I think the best course of action is to scumhunt a little more first, to see if anyone else seems more scummy. We have a deadline, and we may as well use all that time. If allomancer still seems the scummiest after that time, then we can lynch him. But my point is that we shouldn’t lynch him yet.
man I forgot how weird this progression wasIn post 489, skitter30 wrote:
i think they're being disingenuous, yeahIn post 408, Auro wrote:
Really? You don't think they could be reading things wrongly, Rex?In post 406, SausasaurusRex wrote:Whilst I feel that TheLimitDoesNotExist is clearly mafia
You're 100% sure they're being disingenuous and not that there's a miscommunication somewhere?
sauce is fine, i think
i think he seems to be a 'slow and steady' sort of player who wants to utilize the full time as much as possible, which is why he told us to slow our horses on allo and even now he's saying that he isn't advocating a limit lynch right now
his allo push was bad but he exhibited the same mindset in ... all three of his stated lynch/scum options (eve, allo, and limit), so i think that this is just how he approaches the game and how he feels about the best way to use our time
smart is shading your townbloc strategy, and smarter is misrepping people to push them
and smart is also a lot more passive than i'd expect him to be"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I generally feel like Auro died for two reasons
1) he was hard pushing Skit
2) so Titus could make the VCA argument above
there's really no reason not to shoot Limit over Auro here unless Auro specifically was pushing scum"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I haven't felt an especially strong need to respond to Skitter/Titus recent posts, I've been waiting for Atari to do something today
Molla what are your thoughts on Titus maybe being town here? I still think she's being super stubborn in a way that mayyyy be town indicative and I kinda agree with Eve that replacing a newbie friend into a hydra at this point as mafia is kind of wild"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I'm thinking Titus or Atari would make the most sense. I don't at all think it's Eve fwiw.In post 2214, skitter30 wrote:gl can you answer this: who exactly is my partner here?
skitter when were you trying to lynch Karnage again? I was pushing him for most of day 1 and day 2 and the wagon never took off or felt like it had much support behind it."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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because he's voting someone else he thinks is scummy? this post is blehIn post 2220, Tiger Shark wrote:
If you think Skitter's partner is Eve, why not vote Eve and test the theory?In post 2218, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Honestly? I think your most likely partner is Eve.
Certainly I don't think your implication that your partner wouldn't be okay with lynching you holds any water.
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What did you think of my Eve case?
This is kinda where I'm at. Atari seems to have pure site flaked so I don't think him disappearing is AI, but I was really hoping to get some firm direction from where he wanted to go today and try to rule out any paranoia about AH/Titus or AH/Skitter teams. Titus/Skitter feels possible but not like super especially good as an explanation for this game.In post 2221, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I'm gonna have to talk to lilith about this.
My original thought was that Titus was scummy, and if Titus flipped town then skitter was scummy. Titus wagon didn't take off, skitter wagon did, skitter is also scummy but if she flips scum Titus is probably town.
However, Titus and skitter are both probably pushing Eve and you are right that it would be weird to bus that consistently since day 2. So if I think that it isn't skitter/Titus then that makes AH!slot scum? But it's bad to lynch an empty slot. I don't really want to do anything until that replacement is found.
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oh wait Smart's not even voting lol
regardless I still gut dislike that Titus post"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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what has town!you been doing all game?In post 2224, skitter30 wrote:so like ... who am i even scum with?
what has scum!me been doing all game
scum!me does not explain how this phase and the last one have played out really"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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wasn't I your strongest townread just one page agoIn post 2237, skitter30 wrote:gl's acryon progression is actually kinda icky ngl
I think the acryon lynch was town paranoia off of a fairly convincing case from Atari and some questionable responses from acryon. I think it's easy to say in hindsight 'oh he was obvtown bad lynch' - and I'm sure scum want to say that here - but at the time I was talking myself into town!Titus, I was still town reading Skitter and Eve, and so that felt like a good shot for where I was most likely to be misreading the game. I agree Titus would have been a better lynch now, but idk, at twilight I was feeling pretty good about it being a flash wagon onto scum."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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not really? Like I can't genuinely recall why you personally think Eve is scum?In post 2257, skitter30 wrote:pushing who i think is scum ..."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I think I feel most certain that Skitter/Eve has a scum in it
and then Titus/AH are a mystery, Titus scummier than AH but honestly both slots are a mixed bag and both bad
the thing is Titus/Eve team doesn't feel like it makes much sense in the same way Skitter/Eve team doesn't make much sense"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Skitter put yourself in my shoes and assume I'm town
who is Eve's partner? Like I'd just make all the same arguments you're making to clear yourself to clear Eve. Realistically she's only partners with me and I'm town"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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also I'm still thinking about this and what teams we'd lose to but it doesn't feel like the worst action we could takeIn post 2243, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Lynch Eve, and if she's town, lynch skitter and Titus, and if she's scum, lynch GL and AH."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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lemme see if Eve/AH holds up
I gave AH a lot of credit for playing outside the scum range I just saw but in Saw mafia that just recently burned me on GeorgeBailey"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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yeah actually the Karnage/Eve interactions are pretty bad lol"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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why is this a sigh I'm literally trying to consider your PoV here"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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alright well
I think I can be convinced to vote Eve, especially if Limit is a go for it
clearly I am wrong in townreads somewhere and lynching the slot that's been CW to town twice now is not a bad idea"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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it's mostly that the team solves with skitter don't make a lot of sense whereas you/Karnage is suddenly making a ton of sense
also I so desperately just wanna be right about my vanity Karnage scumread"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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like I'm bad at mafia but I'm not normallythisbad at mafia"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I'm thinkin' bout that Auro night kill again
I don't think it clears you Eve, like if anything, you're kinda playing how I play as scum when I make a WIFOM NK and I don't bring it up to defend myself but just hope that the townies pick it up themselves and run with it without me having to argue it myself.
It does seem really weird that Limit wasn't killed when Limit is UTR and nigh unlynchable, but Limit hasn't really been steering towards Eve or Atari either. Maybe scum wanted other townies to pick up the Skitter torch in place of Auro to make them dirtier for a 5p LYLO of Eve/Atari/Titus/GL/Molla, feels like almost anyone is lynchable there"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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and if GL v Titus is TvT and persists there then scum kinda have it in the bag"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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if you're scum you don't have to pretend to read just claim it and we can save you the trouble"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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This feels like a pretty significant misrep. I was hard pushing Karnage at EOD yesterday, and if you think "town!GL should have done something", then you should see me as town for these posts.In post 2300, Morning Tweet wrote:i feel like town!GL and town!skitts should have done something to switch the lynch off of nomnom towards the end there. Eve or Karnage would have been better. GL sort of tried with Karnage I suppose, not really though
In post 935, GuiltyLion wrote:
I agree with this, the slip accusation was really lazy/bad. So bad that I actually do kinda find myself questioning whether scum!nom would even post that, but in any case I really don't believe that she felt any conviction towards it being a real scum slip and that's absolutely worth pushing on.In post 901, skitter30 wrote:i'm kinda most skeptical of where she accused me of slipping because i really don't think there's any universe where she actually believes that
this is possibly worse still though, how could you see it as a joke? Like best case "totally checked out and disengaged town taking a potshot" maybe, but there's no 'joke' there?In post 902, Karnage wrote:
I read it as being a jokeIn post 901, skitter30 wrote:i'm kinda most skeptical of where she accused me of slipping because i really don't think there's any universe where she actually believes that
I'm trying not to confbias myself in my Karnage/nom tunnel but
a) all these Karnage defenses of nom and
b) nom reverting from the really thoughtful/observant player of earlier this game
just seem to fit it so well from my POV? why are we entertaining the idea of lynching Allo/Eve at this point still? I'm fine with Allo in the copbloc, I don't feel Skit really needs to be in there anymore.
I think my dream rn is a Karnage lynch with nom/Allo/Molla/Saus off wagon, tho most importantly nom/Allo, happy to defer the Molla/Saus/other slots to whoever other people want to put there.In post 1053, GuiltyLion wrote:
K A R N A G EIn post 962, nomnomnom wrote:All of this is happening because I ain't 100% sure about Allo anymore and I was sure about him, and I'm having second doubts and I just can't see the fucking scum in this game.
It must be in skitt/eve/molla honestly, I just don't see it anywhere... I can't just see who the hell is scum here according to this gamestate.
I don't know why you TR him in the face of Skit/I bringing up good points against him?? His 'early posts' were so good you can't possibly imagine them being scum?In post 1071, GuiltyLion wrote:
this still doesn't make sense also lmaoIn post 1011, Karnage wrote:sarcasm can be a joke.
Skitter says people are 'townposting' instead of 'wallposting' and nom says "hmmm did you just SLIP?"
let's say this was sarcasm and a joke. that means nom is still town reading skitter, by definition. Let's set aside that nom's subsequent posting makes it abundantly clear that this wasn't actually the case.
now forgive me for being a joke-killer by needed it explained, but what exactly is supposed to be funny here? Like, what humor is there in suggesting someone might be scum when you don't actually think they are, when the game we're playing is precisely about figuring out who is being genuine in accusing people of being scum vs who is lying? The only only way there could be a joke there is if it's like an in-joke or reference to some similar accusation that skitter made before in their history together, but like, ... that just doesn't apply here.
Please explain to me what the jokeisand why it is funny in this situation, because I don't get it!In post 1094, GuiltyLion wrote:can you explain why you'd rather reverse on your lynchbait townread of Eve instead of considering at all the possibility that Karnage might be scum here? What do you think of him defending you by saying you were joking when you accused skit of slipping?In post 1103, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 1097, nomnomnom wrote:Possibly yes, at least eve!scum makes more sense than karnage!scum.
in one corner, we have Eve:
- pushed by many slots all day
- claimed TA and shitposts a lot
- in your own words, mislynch bait
and in another, we have Karnage:
- makes an effort to sound town in early game
- repeatedly "needs to catch up" in mid game, doesn't push any real scumreads or make an effort to advance game
- says Allo is null, then says Allo is likely town, then is fine with lynching Allo
- rushed to your defense when you awkwardly/questionably accused skitter of slipping, saying it was a joke longer than even you did (if you are legit town, this is good chance of WKing IMO)
not seeing why you think former is higher odds of scum than the latterIn post 1131, GuiltyLion wrote:nom why is Karnage town?!?
I don't really care about compromising on Eve I care about Karnage being scummy scum scum and you starting stupid 1v1s with Skitter and deciding Eve is the best lynch and similar shit instead of joining me on KarnageIn post 1169, GuiltyLion wrote:Lynch Karnage and cop nom
I'll be flabbergasted if there's not scum in either of those two slotsIn post 1171, GuiltyLion wrote:
also this isn't stupid, Skit and I both repeatedly tried to engage you on why Karnage is town and your response was to pick ridiculous fights (accusing skit of slipping) and look for distractions elsewhere that you hadn't otherwise pushed all day (Molla). That could just as easily be WKing as S-S, I think it reads S-S in this instance but faked townreads are just as scummy as fake scumreads.In post 1154, nomnomnom wrote:You guys are voting me because I think someone you think is scum is town, which is pretty stupid.
Vote your scumreads.In post 1254, GuiltyLion wrote:
yeah, like Karnage?In post 1242, nomnomnom wrote:I'd honestly need to re-read the game I think to give a 100% accurate opinion on that, but to me it felt like Smart/you were just having a lot of posts together (which is what I was referring to when I said walls) and scums were just waiting patiently. Makes sense still, methinks.
I'll give you infinite towncred if you powerlynch scum!Karnage here with meIn post 1255, GuiltyLion wrote:Skit is going to be back for a brief bit at some point, right?
We really need to consolidate on a lynch here. I'll vote almost anyone at this point. I actually think Karnage may be the way to go if we think nom's last bit of posting is genuine. His defense of her by saying she was joking when accusing Skit of scum slipping is wildly off the mark and hard for me to fathom as a genuine interpretation of that post/interaction without any agenda.
Like I honestly don't know whatIn post 1292, GuiltyLion wrote:I'll hammer it if nothing happens in the next 8 hours but I still maintain Karnage a better lynch here. It's literally deadline and where is the guy?moreI could have done? Keeping in mind that Auro was demanding that I not be on whatever lynch wagon happens by EOD?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Eve/Karnage team also kinda explains why this town wasn't able to bloc cohesively on D1... half of us pushing one scum and half pushing the other, and we flailingly compromised at deadline on a town slot who saw one but not the other."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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also, how do you figure your slot would have been a better lynch than a slot that was awkwardly and implausibly defending your slot?In post 2300, Morning Tweet wrote:i feel like town!GL and town!skitts should have done something to switch the lynch off of nomnom towards the end there. Eve or Karnage would have been better. GL sort of tried with Karnage I suppose, not really though
that kinda smells like scum intention to shade people for their bad votes on a D1 lynch than genuinely trying to understand why the nom lynch happened the way it did."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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sorry I'm prob being a lil harsh if you're town MT, but I'm really struggling to find town/scum in {Skit/Eve/Titus} and it feels like the game kinda depends on it here if I'm being shaded as possible scum. Like if Eve flips scum then it's alright cause that'll buy us a mislynch that we can use on me if we absolutely must, but if Eve is town and somehow one of skit/Titus is town then we in big trouble"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I mean your arguments are alright and. if you're town they make sense, but they're what I'd expect scum!you to say in that situation and rereading some of D1 I got reminded of why I was originally townreading Skitter so strongly
do you have any compelling reasons to think you're town over Skitter other than the Auro NK?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Eve is saying I can bus skitter and then lynch you in LYLO.
Also yes of course it is me and Eve that's why I'm going through all this effort of reevaliating on Eve and literally volunteering myself to be a possible mislynch if she flips scum
Titus no thoughts on MT's catchup?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I just hate that I have to consider that this might actually be town!Titus completely misinterpreting posts and making baseless accusations off of thatIn post 2316, Titus wrote:
Skitter can't mislynch himself if he's scum. You can't keep your mindset straight.In post 2315, Eve wrote:you're pretty smart Titus you can work it out on your own
It's Guilty and Eve."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Man
I just don't understand why Skitter and Titus townread eachotherso hard
It's really making this hard"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Eve what would you say your confidence is in skit scum
Cause if we lynch her and she flips town I feel like we have to lynch you does that not worry you at all"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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if you are town, can you please try to think for like 3 seconds before you post these takesIn post 2322, Titus wrote:
But it wouldn't be lylo if you bussed SkitterIn post 2317, GuiltyLion wrote:Eve is saying I can bus skitter and then lynch you in LYLO.
Also yes of course it is me and Eve that's why I'm going through all this effort of reevaliating on Eve and literally volunteering myself to be a possible mislynch if she flips scum
Titus no thoughts on MT's catchup?
Skitter + Guilty Team
-mislynch Eve today
-5p tomorrow
Guilty can either:
-Bus skitter in 5p
-Lynch you in 3p for the win
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-Lynch you in 5p for the win
It should not be hard to understand Eve's point from those posts."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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MT, do you think your slot was obvtown?In post 2321, Titus wrote:
MT is pretty obvtown from that catchup but I already had them as obvtown. As for interacting with their reads, I want to wait for their full catchup.In post 2317, GuiltyLion wrote:Eve is saying I can bus skitter and then lynch you in LYLO.
Also yes of course it is me and Eve that's why I'm going through all this effort of reevaliating on Eve and literally volunteering myself to be a possible mislynch if she flips scum
Titus no thoughts on MT's catchup?"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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at first I thought you were intentionally misrepping, but then I took a sec to chill and consider the town PoV and decided it might just be the effect of reading the lynch straight through in hindsight instead of being there over the last day or so in real time.In post 2326, Morning Tweet wrote:
You think that's an intentional misrep to make you look scummy? Or just a misinterpretation (either alignment). Your wording suggests I'm misrepping you intentionally to make my reads strongerIn post 2304, GuiltyLion wrote:
This feels like a pretty significant misrep. I was hard pushing Karnage at EOD yesterday, and if you think "town!GL should have done something", then you should see me as town for these posts.In post 2300, Morning Tweet wrote:i feel like town!GL and town!skitts should have done something to switch the lynch off of nomnom towards the end there. Eve or Karnage would have been better. GL sort of tried with Karnage I suppose, not really though
Hmm okay. I can understand being worried you're being shaded for one of the mislynches.In post 2309, GuiltyLion wrote:sorry I'm prob being a lil harsh if you're town MT, but I'm really struggling to find town/scum in {Skit/Eve/Titus} and it feels like the game kinda depends on it here if I'm being shaded as possible scum. Like if Eve flips scum then it's alright cause that'll buy us a mislynch that we can use on me if we absolutely must, but if Eve is town and somehow one of skit/Titus is town then we in big trouble
What I mean with nom is I feel there was a certain moment where nomnom's AtE felt borderline impossible to come from scum. Around 1117/1118/1119 in my notes I wrote "I think at this point I would fall for Nom being town definitely". I'd have refused to vote her past here and definitely just went for a different PoE like Karnage. In my recollection you helped out lynch nom although I suppose a lot of that was before the AtE and when she was just being scummy, which is fair. @your quotes, I missed 1292 while reading. I appreciate u giving me these
This is kind of the problem, there's a knot in Skitter/Titus/Eve that I can't work out. It feels abundantly clear that there's at least one scum in there, but every time I start trying to talk myself into a scumread on one slot it doesn't really make sense when hunting for a partner.In post 2328, Morning Tweet wrote:
As of Karnage on D1 -- noIn post 2324, GuiltyLion wrote:
MT, do you think your slot was obvtown?In post 2321, Titus wrote:
MT is pretty obvtown from that catchup but I already had them as obvtown. As for interacting with their reads, I want to wait for their full catchup.In post 2317, GuiltyLion wrote:Eve is saying I can bus skitter and then lynch you in LYLO.
Also yes of course it is me and Eve that's why I'm going through all this effort of reevaliating on Eve and literally volunteering myself to be a possible mislynch if she flips scum
Titus no thoughts on MT's catchup?
What happened between the end of D1 thru before I got replaced, don't know yet.
GL if you did townread Karnage, who would the team be? Apologies if that's already abundantly clear from reading today I'll be getting to that in a sec
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why do I fake such sloppy 180s and constant backtracks/changes as scumIn post 2378, skitter30 wrote:
tbf i do think that gl's posting in the last day or so including his progression on you is a bit Not GreatIn post 2311, Eve wrote:maybe it's skitter+Guilty
he mislynches me today and then just has to lynch skitter and Titus doesn't matter which order to give him the win
like if I'm scum I just death tunnel and people don't get paranoid or suspect me cause I'm ~consistent~.
this is town confusion and angst about what feels like a really difficult solve"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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also every time I start to suspect anyone they start shading me which doesn't help at all with the paranoia
like Skitter keeps trying to say I'm a townread but then giving me grief for acryon vote or voting her
Eve randomly starts calling me out when I reconsider whether she could be scum
Titus is on me all game yet finding ways to not vote me
I'm definitely being used for false associatives but I can't find a way to distinguish between that and genuine worry about me being scum
MT I kinda think the way you've treated my slot with a mix of suspicion/mindmeld is the most natural"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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In post 2275, Eve wrote:i would never ever kill auro as scum just fyiIn post 2276, Eve wrote:how have you let scum!skitter convince you guilty? you know what she's capable of
like these three posts from Eve felt panicky and should clearly put to rest ideas of a GL/Eve team, if she's scum this isn't theater this is her trying to buddy me and spare herself from my voteIn post 2277, Eve wrote:the nightkill points simultaneously towards skitter scum and me town
like come on seriously"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I dunno I really want to see where Limit's head is at again
I'm not gonna just sheep but the past day has just been back and forth with Eve/Skit which hasn't felt especially productive, and Limit/Molla feel like the only slots I can truly trust
Titus is such a difficult slot to read, there are those moments where she does feel pure but she also posts these terrible pushes or convenient jump-ins and the game state feels like it makes the most sense when she's scum, since nobody is trying to lynch her all that hard right now."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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