Silent Star 1: Lunacy

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A lot of my play was dictated by fear of another scum team trying to shoot me.

partly why i didn't mean looking awful yesterday ...

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pretty much same. like i said as soon as BotC ended i was like "and skitter outs a meta read on me in 3... 2..." cause i knew i was struggling to be as engaged. i actually started to worry you WERE a wolf with me just in like, a different partnership. i was thinking about ways i could try to subtly soft werewolf.

also i just want to say that i think i can read you off of meta now

skep·ti·cal /ˈskeptək(ə)l/ adjective not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. "the public were deeply skeptical about some of the proposals" Philosophy relating to the theory that certain knowledge is impossible. this game drove me to drink.

nahdia, some day we will have a nice, normal, tvt game and pair up and find and kill all the scumz and it will be awesome

i am sad taht this was not that game

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My PT partner is afraid we’ll get NK’d if we out each other.

i didn't actually say that
i'm also not sure raven is aware that i already claimed us in thread ... i posted that i did in the pt :shrug:

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Today, you will push me off this cliff. I of course know that. I've even decided spot I'm going to land. I will also attempt a flip. But insofar as the game of mafia is about pitting an informed minority against an uninformed majority, I must protest: I am I am not, in fact, informed. At least, not entirely. There are still unanswered questions here. I advise strongly that all of you, my supposed enemies and my so-called allies, keep your wits about you. Trust no one. Not even yourselves.

i think nahdia is trying to communciate with someone through these posts. I think that part of the team they weren't in communication with

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Yeah I tried to tell her that too :shrug:

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Well that would imply 5 masonries, which would be weird, no?

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(I think she's ww on play, just to be very clear. I think mechanically we probably are not masons)

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same, and it was very obvious you thought that, but given that there's apparently five groups of people that thought that, something smells fishy

tux claimed nahdia's partner

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yes but all of the pairs are claiming that so ...

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Raven is a ww tho !

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Yeah idk

But in the pt she very obviously and very clearly thought we were a bizarro 2man scumteam. So like if she was actually mafia and duping me ... i dont think she would have approached the pt the way she did

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Are we trying to do anything else today?
I'm kinda fine just voting out nahdia

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are we waiting for anything else or should i vote ?

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i think nahdia is trying to communciate with someone through these posts. I think that part of the team they weren't in communication with

still think this ^

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yeah it just seems like they're trying to communicate with someone who isn't in a pt with them
but yeah

VOTE: nahdia

i'm not sure what the vote is at

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I'm really finding the story/narrative that you're putting out to be quite fascinating!

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chara!

i am excited that you repped in !!!!

i am sad that your slot is very possibly scum though

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if this were a normal game of mafia i would say that i think my interactions with them were clearing but eh. also no reason to so publically call attention to them trying to communicate with me if i'm actual scum and they're trying to communicate with me

why do you think wolves would kill kanna over you knowing that there's an even-night watcher?

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?

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i'm confused. what do you mean by a pair being trapped? why does you dying clear clover?
i don't follow

and i guess i buy chara being scum cuz i was thinking that anyways but i'm really confused by what you're saying right now

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when you say 'pair' you mean 'one member of a non-chara pair, who would then implicate both themselves and their partner'?

but if we assume 3 scum adn we know that chara is one that logic doesn't really hold because they'd be implicating their town/ww partner ... which for them is a good thing

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oh huh
yeah i can see that. their push on you was p ??? weird

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so killing me is chara caught anyway, not that he wasn't always the elimination to me today to figure out which world we were in, but yeah.

but killing you we wouldn't have the guilty on chara anyways so it's not like we'd know which universe we're in by virtue of you dying?
like for scum this whole thing could have just been avoided by making sure your result would not get out

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your death doesn't exonorate clover and we wouldn't know which pair it was either. like yes there has to be scum in a pair/midway but we thought that yesterday anyways

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idk but i also don't get the logic
like i'm not saying she's scum for it i just don't get what she's saying

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like to me if i'm scum and there's a watcher and faction cop it seems pretty obvious to kill the watcher and then the faction cop

the reasoning she's giving doesn't explain to me from scum's pov why they would enable the possibility of getting a guilty when they could just suppress the result via killing dru

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my death if chara was a werewolf would exonerate clover and midwaybear.

ok. eli5: your death exonorates clover because ...
if clover is scum and you dying exonortates him he doesn't kill you because ....

i'm not understanding these two things

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then there's some sort of fundemental communication block here
we're kinda assuming the possibility of mixed pairs

so i don't get why 'town!dru' -> 'town!clover'.

like it's not an inherently obvious conclusion to me

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also sorry did you just claim bodyguard in your pair or did you mean to write backup instead of one of the bg's?

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dru, we're living in the universe where form your pov chara is mafia tho. like from your pov there isn't a possibility they're scum, they just are

so given that, killing you and suppressing the result doesn't give town any new information wrt how scum are distributed in the pairs
like i don't get why you're talking about the outcome if chara was a werewolf when from your pov they're not so that universe is functionally irrelevant

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maybe scum just have a ninja or something? that would make more sense almost

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dru i still don't get it, sorry :/

@beeboy why assume odd-night? i'm saying the lack of rb and going for the watcher might make sense if some non-chara person killed dru (this isn't super likely but it would make the night actions make more sense to me)
i sitll think that chara's slot is scum on play tho

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dru are you trying to say that if you die and flip town you'll be proven to be paired with clover, and there therefore he couldn't be paired with lilith/starbuck, so it would implicate chara for lying because someone has to be paired with lilith/starbuck and it's unclaimed ?

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sorry for frustrating you, not trying to :/

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i see, ty
are we sure that lilith/star weren't paired with each other? in retrospect i'm thinking it's strange that the scum partners didn't just claim that they have a dead partner.

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yeah i'm saying like maybe if nahdia was with lilith and tux with star (or vice versa) i'm wondering why they didn't just say that, and why they fabricated a pairing anyways

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chara! hi!!!!

unfortunately i think you're scum !

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yep

how did you go about catching up? also what did you think when you realized it's a reverse town/flavor thing?

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Drusilla if you are fake claiming on behalf of Clover, I want you to know I am not reevaluating you if this flips town. That is all.

I'd vote Chara but I don't feel like rushing the day, but that is what I plan on doing.

^

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yep

how did you go about catching up? also what did you think when you realized it's a reverse town/flavor thing?

also what did nahdia say in the hood?

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i read the most recent pages first. after replacing in, i read the hood with Nahdia, which was disheartening, and then realized i'd missed reading the kill and that they'd flipped mafia.

what did you think upon getting a ww role pm?

clover why do you think dru is town?

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can you spell it out for me

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Can I ask why we're going down this path? Am I missing something here? Shouldn't we be asking each other who the last mafia is not asking the outted one questions that the mafia can provide fake claims for? I'm genuinely asking this by the way it seems a bit rude when I read it but I don't know how else to word it

while i think it's likely dru is telling the truth, i'm still a little cautious:

- setup-wise / scum-decision-making-wise the fact that she's alive is weird
- you blanket-trusting her because of a claim is weird, esp. after yesterday
- before all this went down, tux was my biggest townread

so i guess just before i commit to a vote (and like still v probably voting chara) i just want to cover my bases

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it was about what i expected when i replaced in. i didn't expect the swap, but it was a relief because i'd initially thought i was in a two-man werewolf team.

how did u realize u weren't on a two-man ww team?

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although i guess my scum-ninja thoery is moot since chara is since it didn't act last night at all

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when i read Nahdia's flip. after that i went through the thread backwards and it became apparent that werewolves were town.

ty
i'm not sure i have anymore questions but is there anything you want to ask me about/talk to me about?
i'm leaning towards voting you here.

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1) Yeah it is pretty weird, but we don't know what the scum have so it's best to not overthink and go into what ifs right?
2) Why is that odd?
3) Really? Tux was someone I was scumreading from before all this started so this is odd.

2. i mean i guess i think that it's more likely dru is telling the truth than not, but i don't see why *you* think that?
3. can you give me a refresher? why did you think tux was scum?

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We have a guilty claim from her that we have no reason to doubt! Plus if she was scum why guilty a partner?

and like do you just automatically believe all investigative claims by default?

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2) Why shouldn't I think that?
3) The way he played the early game felt really scummy to me. Along with the fact me and Dru noted that Tux probably slipped a few times. We just didn't push it because fear of getting night killed when we thought the game was multiball but Tux has always been a scumread of mine.

2. i mean i guess between dru/chara why do you think dru is telling the truth? like i'm not sure i have a reason to doubt the claim but the circumstances are a bit weird (like why is she even alive to be able to give this is confusing me) so the fact that you don't have any doubt i'm finding a bit strange
3. can you give some examples of tux slipping?

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skitter: how are you feeling about beeboy?
drusilla doesn't really feel like scum with a fakeclaim, and it'd honestly be an awful play to me. at the same time, looking at flips i can't think of an explanation for a false guilty besides that she's lying for some reason. what were you and beeboy referring to when you said you wouldn't reevaluate them on my townflip?

i think bee is p strongly town, for how he reacted immediately after the ww -> town thing, and for how strongly he's defending dunn (saying things like if he'd rather himself flip to prove dunn town than flipping dunn, etc)

and wrt dru, i meant more that if you flip town i don't know why town!dru lies here so i would think that dru is lying about seeing you visit kanna last night. like i'm not sure why she does this as town

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*why she does this as town lying about having a guilty on you

so like if her result is wrong i'd think she's scum since i don't think town!you lies about visiting her either

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wait why is that a slip vs all of thinking we're in a 2man werewolf team?

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and i don't get why you're so positive either ... ?

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if dru is scum i think at the very least she was in a 'normal ww/ww' pt too given how she started day2, which would imply to me that clover isn't scum

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wait why is that a slip vs all of thinking we're in a 2man werewolf team?

This is when we thought the game was multiball and Tux was talking about 2 man scumteams. From a multiball pov that looked like a pretty big slip to me

but i also thought i was on a 2man scumteam at the time too ....
like *i* could have easily made that slip and i don't think, given what we know now about the setup, that's a scumslip once the mafia/ww -> town thing happened.

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is that likely?

no, your slot was very likely to be voted out today regardless of what dru did/said (barring her coming in with a guilty on someone else, i suppose)

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i kinda think mt is town tho :/

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if drus was aware of that, then yes, i don't like her being an auto lynch after me.

i mean you think as town she fakes a guilty on you when she knows you're going down anyways?
like why tho ... ?

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i kinda think mt is town tho :/

why's that?

the shift from 'oh i'm a wolf' to 'oh wait i'm town' and how the playstyle changed was townie

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I don't get how any of Skitter/Beeboy/Dunnstral have the pov they're trying to present with the logic that is on the table. I should probably mull on it a little

sorry :/ what part is confusing and i can try to explain how i came to my conclusions agian

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I don't get how any of Skitter/Beeboy/Dunnstral have the pov they're trying to present with the logic that is on the table. I should probably mull on it a little

sorry :/ what part is confusing and i can try to explain how i came to my conclusions agian

If Chara flips scum who are you likely looking at
Same if they flip town please. This has a point to it I promise

scum: midway, you
town: dru, you, then midway, and more distantly beeboy/dunn

why does scum her fake a guilty on me knowing i'm going down anyway? either she did that for some reason, thinking there was a chance her (or her partner? but in that case the partner would claim) would be lynched over my slot. it's possible i guess, but i'd still rather properly examined rather than auto, at least.
or she's town and lied about it because she wanted me lynched, which i've seen happen enough times even though faking a guilty as town as a terrible idea.
there's also the third option of weird night-shenanigans, but i definitely didn't act last night so i don't know what it could be, given the flipped roles look pretty standard.

i guess to me the simplest explanation is that you're just scum. like either town or scum her faking a guilty seems unlikely, so the simplest explanation seems most probable
i would have to re-evaluate if we don't live in that universe but like her faking a guilty as either alignment seems unlikely. i guess thinking about it i can see her doing it a bit more as town

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Me and Dunnstral aren't VTs. Hbu fam?
@Skitter @Raven?

we're vt's

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we thought we were an unpowered 2 man scumteam which is partly why that was so confusing ...

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i guess thinking about it i can see her doing it a bit more as town

i'm not. the claim is truthful. it is either messed with somehow or chara is mafia.

i know, i'm saying i think that the claim is truthful.
in the remote universe that chara turns up town i'm answering what i would think after that, since it asked

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Okay Skitter your pov doesn't make sense to me nor does theirs because you're going on about how power doesn't make sense so this is weird but shouldn't you be asking that about...other things?

If midway is scum he's solo with no idea who someone else's or is (a nerf to the scum team)
If me or Dru is scum scum knew that town had:
A body guard
A even night watcher
A global back up

that seems odd too doesn't it?

well i agree iwth you on the midway point
but if either of you two are scum how would you have known about the bg/watcher/backup?

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but if either of you two are scum how would you have known about the bg/watcher/backup?

oh nm i see what you're saying
yeah that would be weird too ...

like me/raven the first thing we did was ask each other what our roles are, i'm sure star/lilith did that too probably
maybe that's part of the balance? it would make things make a bit more sense
hmmmm

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Scum is not skitter!
And idk what you mean by the lilith/skitter raven/starbuck thing

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I'll be around a lot later today, camping with limited internet access. I think there's just a 3rd scum from chara being willing to self

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ok catching up, i haven't really read anything since daystart

lmk if there's something people want me to address

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are we sure that nobody prevented the nk?

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Because the kill was blocked so hiding information from scum until it is blocked again is the best line of play.
Since 1 blocked kill = no reward
2 = +lynch

For clarification I tin foil Dunn

I just don't see outing as optimal with 1 scum left whether he dies now or f3 doesn't matter we win either way.

well these feel a wee bit icky ...

I am clearly informing you I don't plan on saying what flavor of non VT we are.

I claimed for 1 purpose, me and Dunn are worried the other will die and will claim VT. And that lets us feel safe with each other.

Sorry if that is bad for the group :/

ok and how does asking me/raven if we're vt's fit into this exactly

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People can lie about claim

Scum can forget to submit kills.

A faction that can't kill is just do incredibly bizarre to me I don't want to look for it
Chara wanted to self that is an act to cut off info that is anti wincon.

i mean ... the bolded is not at all likely, really
rereading yesterday i'm not sure it actually wanted to self;

beeboy's posting on this page is ... not great

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odd night pr maybe

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why haven't we massclaimed exactly?

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In either case, would you agree that the best way to solve this game could be a mass claim?

i've already attempted to have the people who have not already claimed claim. so yes, i would agree and have advocated for this.

i haven't finished catching up but i would be down for this
(including forcing dunn/bee via voting them if necessary)

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I claimed for 1 purpose, me and Dunn are worried the other will die and will claim VT. And that lets us feel safe with each other.

wasn't he your biggest townread yesterday/two days ago?
weren't you so convinced he was town that you wanted to be lynched before dunn if it meant that people would townread him upon yoru flip?
this quote is incongruent with that mentality

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this is what i've been doing most of the day and i think it is most likely raven branwen/skitter if a full pair and skitter/beeboy if it is split between pairs.

hi,talk to me about this

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This game would be a lot easier if the other pairs were more open minded to their partner being scum.

she's just not tho
not for stuff she's said in the thread,
but for things that were said in the PT.she's just ww. there is no way she says some of the things that were said there as scum

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VOTE: beeboy

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so when did the paranoia start happening ?
and how do you presently read him?

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vanilla flip of who ... ?
of chara ?

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hmmmmmmmmmm

i'm kinda confused what you can even be softing here that would be so bad for scum to be playing around

and we already have a backup, even-night watcher, cop, bg
against two mafioso's

and you're both claiming a pr too and if it's 10:3 i'm not even sure what the pr would be to counteract that
and if it's 9:2:2, well, if the second-faction has no nk they probably have some kind of pr to work with ...

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Unless you're voting me because you think I am most likely to be scum then go ahead.

i'm actually voting you more for scumreading your pair the least than anything else

dru is town
i'm kinda trusting her on clover
raven is town
mt is town

that leaves you/dunn/mwb

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*for townreading yoru pair the least, sorry

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I think Tux/Me/Nahdia wasn't scum theater and I am not sure how you guys can see other.

can you give me a refresher and/or quote the beginning of this

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I think Tux/Me/Nahdia wasn't scum theater and I am not sure how you guys can see other.

can you give me a refresher and/or quote the beginning of this

>Tux "your shit post SoD is scum"
>Me "your read sucks on me"
>Nahdia "you're over reacting to this and are scum"
>Me *backs off*
>Tux *keeps going*
>Me *vote parks nahdia for half the day*

It went on for awhile weaved between other posts. Idk I don't think I can fake that as scum.

ok
i'm kinda too tired rn to really delve into this and come to a conclusion, so i shall UNVOTE: for now until i can sometime tom

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beeboy can you answer this y/n:
you're claiming that you/dunn were not responsible for the missing nk

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i think we should just rule out the possibility of a townie/protective/ww preventing the nk
(given that a large portion of the living pl have not played)

and then, if that's ruled out, my best guess for what's going on is: two man mafia team who were unpowered but could kill, and a two man non-mafia scumteam who were powered but could not kill, and then 9 ww's

but i want to make sure that nobody can claim a way to prevent the nk before going down that path

beeboy i am still planning on reading the you/nahdia thing, but have no done so yet; my goal is to do so tonight

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beeboy can you answer this y/n:
you're claiming that you/dunn were not responsible for the missing nk

actually can everyone say this, including:
-midway
- clover
- dunn
- beeboy
- mt

i just want to rule out this possibility definitively before moving on to other things

(me/raven already claimed vt)

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midway can you just definitively say yes/no you were responsible for the missing nk last night

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ok you wanna elaborate on that @midway

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Lunch break is about to be over but the reason I doubt the 2 town theory is because Tux/Chara basically threw the game by visiting Kanna last night and then the self hammer thing. I just, doubt that a team of 2 does that?

yeah good point too

can you definitively state whether or not you know where the nk went and/or were responsible for it going missing?

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ok you wanna elaborate on that @midway

It was a pretty stupid idea, but apparently raven believed I was the real doc? I guess this gives her some town points.

raven sometimes reads things on a really really surface level

but you're saying you are not a doc/preventitive, and were not involved in the missing nk. is that correct?

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ok ty

just clover, dunn, mt now

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beeboy i think dru is town, p strongly

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i'm crossing my i's and dotting my t's

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beeboy i think dru is town, p strongly

Name the 2nd scum assuming Dunnstral is just scum
Which may not even he right.

i mean if he's scum you're easily my next suspect

like where do you think the nk went last night if nobody's claiming it ?

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believe me if i could stop kills, Kanna would still be with us

ty

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i'm getting kinda close to doing so :/
i don't have a good explanation otherwise for what happened to the nk then

did you answer that ^

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ok so like i don't know what happened either

i'm asking you to give your best guess/explanation for where it went
mine right now is that there's a third faction who can't kill (and/or is limited in how they can kill)
your explanation is ...

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i'm going to try to talk raven out of that ^

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she's not even pushing us anymore ....

raven where did the nk go?

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Skitter what is scums power role if I am scum here?

i have absolutely no idea, if there's a third faction their prs are a 'black box' so to speak.
like on a macro level: 2 man vanilla scumteam who can kill vs a 2 man non-vanilla scumteam who can't kill
like kinda makes sense to me

game balance is not my forte and this game is different enough from how a usual game works that i have no idea what exactly 'non-vanilla' entails here

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Because I think Dru is a scum role blocker who faked a guilty.

you think she's explicitly teamed with nahdia/tux?
isn't she the one who came up with star/lilith aren't paired together so tux must be scum?

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Skitter I seriously want you to tell me what you think scum power is up to.
Since we've seen no evidence of any of it, and the only one that makes sense coming from is Dru.

i mean from my pov there's you / dunn too?
this is kinda a silly question because i clearly don't have all the requisite pieces of knowledge that you're using to come to this conclusion

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When someone pushes a ludicrous theory like this, most if the time it comes from scum.

i am a werewolf, i don't think the theory is ludicrous and in fact it seems most likely to me, and i no longer think it is most likely you, as i've stated multiple times already.

i'll try to talk her out of it in the pt but i don't think these posts are really going to change her mind, sorry

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drusilla - clover ebi
nahdia - tuxedo mask
morning tweet - kanna
dunnstral - beeboy
skitter - raven branwen
midwaybear

yes?

Ah... I get it.
Tuxedo is scum and they were paired with the 2 dead players not each other.

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no dru came to that conclusion first, bee agreed with her / saw where she was goign with this afterwards

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She is tunnelled on us for wifom tin foil reasons.

again, i pointed this out already : she's no longer pushing us. what is she doing here exactly... ?

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so day2, while nahdia was going down, mafia!dru formulated a plan to bus her other partner via a hard-guilty?
i'm confused why she wouldn't have just helped them avoid the whole mess by telling them to claim to be paried with lilith/star ?

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so day2, while nahdia was going down, mafia!dru formulated a plan to bus her other partner via a hard-guilty?
i'm confused why she wouldn't have just helped them avoid the whole mess by telling them to claim to be paried with lilith/star ?

You are a claimed watcher and you need to shoot the cop?
Why not sac the goon

How is this unrealistic shit play to you

because why bother going down the watcher route at all to bus her own partner when she could have easily just ... not?
like i don't get why scum!her claims watcher in the first place?

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this was one of my first posts of day two so i was obviously aware of the implications:

yes, my point

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If I flip town power role.
Are you just going to assume Dru is still town?

Or is

Cop
Even-Watcher
Bodyguard
Uniback up.
+ Other role

Goon
Goon
Goon

A balanced setup to you?

i mean i have a few issues with this post
- you're assuming town!you!pr, which is not something *i* can assume
- you're deflecting the question of why rb!scum!dru lolclaims watcher to bus a partner?

if you flip ww!pr i will reassess my ww!dru stance but as of right now, given hte information i have, scum!dru does not seem super likely to me

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Even if you ignore the setup stuff and lynch me first, Dru is clearly scum next.

i just feel like a lot of your push on her comes down to:
mafia need to have an rb and nobody's claiming it so it's dru and she faked being a watcher to bus her own partner

unless i'm missing part of it ?
and like i fundementally think that lolclaiming watcher as an rb in order to guilty your partner is just like ... weird?
and if there's an rb why hasn't there been any evidence of it?

like i just don't get it

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I am a VT, Dunnstral is a PR.

... didn't you both claim pr?

pedit the thoguht did cross my mind that midway might be like a 3p something and that we're kinda handing him a tr too easily

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ah, ok that makes a bit more sense, i guess
but there's literally no evidence of a rb ... ?

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but i think that mafia just literally doesn't claim in post 1 tho ... ?
like look how nahdia answered the question and they weren't even talking about their own pt

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like if there's an rb i don't get why they don't just rb kanna n2 and kill dru
(or, if dru is scum kill kanna and claim dru is rb'd

although writing that out i suppose if scum!dru wants to hide the rb they gamble on nobody else visiting kanna and only claim chara does, i suppose)

ok i guess that's not as big a sticking point but i still think she's town tho

we're still missing an nk in the scum!dru world

(@dru i don't think you're scum but i'm trying to figure out if i can understand what beeboy is saying)

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Literally the only reason I am not pursuing Dunnstral is Dru makes more sense to be the one fake claiming. From both play and Nahdia interactions.

but there's no evidence of an rb ...
like pushing one existing by virtue of it 'having to' is kinda silly when *they didn't use it to freaking rb the cop ...*

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blafioafoaafakoa8afkn

this doesn't make sense

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@mod

is the mafia faction multitasking[/b]?

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Skitter how do scum beat follow the cop?
You can't answer this question because they literally can't without a way to stop a PR.

ok i concede the point that a rb could exist
i do not agree that it's dru tho

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i mean why not block the cop then ... ?
how am i supposed to know, they've been making suboptimal decisions all game

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Considering the nature of neighborhoods it's hard to just 2 players locking each other as town given that's how scum neighborhoods and this game especially should work.

we had a fight in the pt day1 and by virtue of what was said it was painfully transparent she thought we were on a two-man scumteam and that she wanted to work with me to win as partners

i don't think she faked what was said, so since she thought we had the same wincon at the time, she's a ww

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ok i concede that your theory of the game holistically can kinda make sense, i just like ... don't scumread dru?

idk let me reread the nahdia/dru bits again

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@mod

is the mafia faction multitasking[/b]?

Confirming with hectic, but I think this falls under the list of questions we can’t answer

i kinda guessed but i figured it didn't hurt to ask ...

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ok i reread drunk!nahdia's defense of dru think and i'm ... just not as convicned that it's svs?
like idk it doesn't really read partner-y to me

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@mt i see what you're saying but i don't see her starting day2 the way she did if she's mafia
(especially not without a plan for what tux/nahdia would claim later in the day once we all went thru the revelation ?)
like it just doesn't make sense coming from a mafia pov with how she thinks about the game

i did read beeboy's nahdia/dru things and i'm just not really convinced

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like she's creative enough as rb to bus her partner via a watcher guilty but can't figure out that nahdia/tux are going to run into trouble claiming to be each other's partners?
that doesn't make sense

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i don't get why scumdru allows the star/lilith/nahdia/tux pt mess to happen in the first place

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like that's a very major part of how tux got implicated, and she was the first person to figure it out and start pushing it

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and her shift in play from day1 to day2 also looks like someone finding out that they're not actually scum ...

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bee if dru flips ww are u ok being voted out tom ?

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i just ... don't think she's flipping scum here :/
i don't think i can vote for her rn

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i don't know but i don't think she's scum
like i'd believe any of {clover, you, dunn, mid} before her

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like if i'm wrong y'all can castigate me in post but i just don't think i can vote for someone i think is town

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@beeboy i'll be back later, i have a meeting now

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i can't vote dru here, sorry. she isn't scum

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i don't know but i don't think she's scum
like i'd believe any of {clover, you, dunn, mid} before her

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probably you/dunn

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i think she's just town on play and the things you're bringing up pale in comparison

her play shifted drastically from day1 to day2 (even in comparison with things like making wall posts vs interacting in real time) and i think she strongly believes in what she's saying

she doesn't start day2 off (with nahda/tux ultimately claiming pairs) as mafia

like idk she just isn't

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Then vote Dru and lynch me next.
Like that's all I've wanted this literal entire day phase.

i can't
i'm sorry
i can't vote someone knowing it will lead to an elim when i think they're town
i just cant

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clover i get where you're coming from but i just don't think i can vote her

i am partial to the midway!scum theory tho

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midway scum would be some sort of 3p and i don't think would be aligned with tux/nahdia necessarily

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dru's not even being survivalistic or anything ...

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We can agree on Skitter MT Raven for now right? If we can add 1 or 2 more it doesn't matter how unlikely the other 3 are.

yeah so i'd add dru to my core and then pair down amongst you four

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dru's not even being survivalistic or anything ...

It's not like Dru is telling us who is scum or giving us final reads either?
This isn't an overly townie reaction.

i mean i feel like she has a p solid poe that's similar to my own

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if dru is town and we need to do all of this again tomorrow i'm going to be kinda annoyed

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I don't think the rest of the game can agree on Dru though and that's what we need to work on. I would say add beeboy. I don't think his tone and his interactions are ever coming from scum. It just, feels too odd.

i can't add beeboy while dru is unflipped and/or if she flips town

whatever i'm going to settle here
VOTE: midway

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i'm not going to be one of the votes there so like ...

if you want the wagon you need to convince other people cuz i don't see myself changing my mind barring a looming deadline

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i mean she isn't watching anybody if she gets voted out

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i am not happy about this outcome
i think midway's reaction is scummy

beeboy might be town despite this but i'm really unhappy that this just got rammed through

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well actually, no, i thought you were on already and hammering after she thought she selfed is kinda gross because what scum does that anyways ...

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i wouldn't mind checking bee either ...
i also don't know if i would trust that result tho

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yes

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ok that's fair, sorry for saying that then

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can we all ask for fast night plz?
nights have been longer than the days

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once again for posterity:

raven is town
mt is town
dru was town

scum is in {dunn, mid, clover, bee}, roughly in that order

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idk, doesn't hurt to ask

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help me figure out who scum is in my poe

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^

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midway > dunn >> bee > clover >>>>> mt > raven

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Why isnt the day over?

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there were five votes, right?

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i'm wondering if it maybe just got missed

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i'm wondering if it maybe just got missed

i meant more maybe the mods didn't realize it was hammer, i guess

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ty hectic. the flavor was awesome!

gg everyone

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dunn you fought v well.
nahdia, i think i know how to read you now

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fair enough !

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Won't be released as per request

Ty

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i think hoods in general are +scum, and were in particular in this game (serving as functionally limited role-cops by telling scum where the bg and watcher were, and allowing bee to be pocketed for a while)
that being said, i do think that scum were underpowered for what town had, despite the twist (cop, watcher, backup, bg) is a lot against three goons, even if you know about the watcher/backup, as there were functionally 1.5 cops (cop + even-night watcher), either of which could be backed up. it's kinda hard playing against that sort of investigative power, no matter what you know about the setup, especially since dunn had to lock into a claim so early

i think that the twist was really, really neat, and i was incredibly confused for the first dayphase. seeing star flip ww was incredibly unnerving because ... did i just like vote out a member of my own scum faction without knowing they were part of it?
but i think after *two* such flips (i.e. by the start of day2) it started becoming obvious what was going on, and i think i would have prompted the 'scumclaim' at that point if dru hadn't

ty hectic for teh game, it was quite fun and enjoyable, and the flavor was great
balancing such a game is hard by it's nature

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you're making some good points too, esp wrt being forced into claims post0. i think maybe if you had been told the whole setup it would have been easier? idk.
it's def a tricky setup to try and balance

and idk i guess i'm in the group of people who can do a boatload of pocketing in a neighborhood so to me they seem super +scum, but it's fair to point out that this might not be the case for everyone. i'm not sure i would agree that they often function a indirect cop check tho. i think on balance it's easier for scum to pocket in a neighborhood than for town to sus out their neighbor's alignment.

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(i guess i mean more in a 'normal' game where the hoods aren't part of the setup, etc. i do agree that in this game in particular it gave us an mt clear, and me/raven were always townreading each other because of it)