Mini Theme 2155: SIN: This Impurity must be Cleansed!

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Hi, catching up.

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catch up 1. The bar for Norwee town is so low that he jumped into it merely by playing the game.

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And that guys, is why I tends to purposefully play null/bait scumreads on myself. The moment I start posting, there’s hardly anyone interacting with me/my content anymore

Skimmed page 21. When I realized there was 2 days left and all the people I suspect have barely posted. Caught up.

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Requesting prod of Starbuck, Jackal and NdMath.

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Talk to me Norwee, Banana. From what I recall a stump is somebody who can't do anything, can they be mafia or only town? You've been acting like it from a tone post, but I saw that you don't like tone reads so instead I'll ask you if you could tell me what you think of RedTea, Beeboy hydra, and dumb and dumber if you don't mind?

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bell is town

~nahdia

Expand?

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Am I being pocketed RN.

What's your read on Something_Smart? Something_Smart, you have no scum leans? Do you do town leans?

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VOTE: RedTea

Hi. Is there anything in your gameplay so far that you think makes you town that you wouldn't do as scum and could you share that?

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Joey, why do you hate being town read and not being interacted with if you post like that and have a cat avatar.

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im really not worried with how anyone us reading our slot this game, actually. so think what you want.

Why not? if youre softing PR just for the sake of this argument its petty/scummy

it'll make sense.

when I said "make waves" i literally just meant theyre not settling into the gamestate they noted by asking for multiple prods. they're asking questions. they're generating content that doesn't feel like just treading water.

~nahdia

Tbh, I just wanted to see what they thought about a null, lean scum, and lean town read and wanted to see where'd they sort which and why.

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Joey, why do you hate being town read and not being interacted with if you post like that and have a cat avatar.

''Post like that''? I think my content is easily engage-able, i kinda can't help it though. My main site is a chat mafia; so I am used to react to everything and post a shit ton

I dislike being tred because it makes everything harder.

That's more of an opinion than an actual fact. Just being town read is good as town because that's one less miselimination on the table.

@pedit: I mean, Tea how am I supposed to pressure you without the vote.
@Joey, I'm null reading him.

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so you've only been mafia once? @ Red.

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Ball room blitz looks like.

@Joey, I didn't ask. No question mark. I was just trying to reorient your view toward what is an actual plus (not getting mis-eliminated/eliminated), rather than a minus (if I'm universally town read nobody will talk to me?) I'm not even sure how you reached the conclusion that you can't interact with people while being town read.

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Why would you vote a null ? and you aren't really answering the question. It was more asking why you are voting him (assuming you believed hes mefia, you know town votes mefia to win) than assuming you would vote for a null read.

So why are you voting red the null read?

Why are you intentionally oversimplifying how this game works?

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You're full of kitty litter.

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When I see null reads I try to understand and sort them.

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Actually, i think i misread the ''I was just trying to reorient your view toward what is an actual plus''

You are saying that, basically, I am asking for it right?

Asking for what? Sometimes people have a negative view on something that doesn't make sense to me. So I spun it in a positive direction.

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townish: Norwe - Joey
Weak townish: Banana ~ D&D
Null:
S_S, Starbuck, Porkens, Catboi, RedTea. Androbee.
Weak LS: Math

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Jack is in the null pile.

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He seems super serious and wooden like he can't move away from a town script.

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Math are you still here?
Wanna chat?

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V(=^･ω･^=)v I'll vote where we can get traction among jackel/NDMath/Starbuck. Porkens is not a

bad

vote but has more the policy feel of yeeting a useless player. Bell is acting strange but not necessarily inherently scummy and would like to believe as mafia they come up with a better justification for the redtea vote than "nullread". With 2 days left we should be pushing someone for a claim.

Why are you okay with any of those 3?

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My reasons for scum or town reading people tend to be a sentence long at best. In Math's case it's a weak self-identification read.

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Right for the wrong reasons is one of my favorite d'oh's in mafia.

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hmm. Is there a way to isolate certain words and follow the game that way?

For example can I look up the word 'pork' and compare it to the number of times Jackal and Math have been mentioned?

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Wait so you mean that all the people in the elimination pool barely mentioned Porkens or

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He's V/LA till aug 1 so it would be a blind elim.

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VOTE: NDmath

E-2?
Phone post. D_D where do you see the towniness re redtea?

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@Starbuck, you're saying that you're town reading NDMath and that the last time you town read him he was mafia?

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@NDMath, why are you so demotivated?

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Why are you town reading him?

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His last post was so underwhelming that I'm having difficulty reconciling it with a win condition he should, presumably be playing toward.

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VC 1.4

Jackel98 (2): Dumb& Dumber
redtea (1): NDMath
Porkens (1): Joey_
androgybee (1): Something_Smart
NorwegianBoyEE (1): Jackel98
NDMath (5): Catboi, NorwegianBoyEE, BananaCucho, Androgybee, Bell

Not Voting (2): Porkens, redtea

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-08-02 00:00:00)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to eliminate

Porkens is V/LA until August 1st
Radical Rat has requested replacement

While I was doing this I noticed the D_D jump from Math to Jackal, Why did you switch your vote D_D?

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@Joey, forgiven. I don't really mind, so I didn't bring it up.

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I find what appears to be a lack of interest in his wagon or his passive approach to the current game state kind of telling.

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Could you explain more how your role works banana, if it wouldn’t be anti-town to do so?

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Good Morning,

I have returned. Content incoming this morning.

WB. Looking forward to this being done before deadline.

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I'm probably not going to wake up until deadline has passed tonight once i sleep. So i'd like it if we could just decide on what we're doing soon.

I’ll be around. Top 3 eliminations you would like to have happen and why?

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Could you explain more how your role works banana, if it wouldn’t be anti-town to do so?

Not yet, and there's a reason why

Kk.

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He claimed plain vanilla town.

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Wow, you didn’t even let him claim.

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You’re clearly scum for rushing this banana.
I won’t even see porkens no doubt great analysis that will break this game wide open.

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RIP Joey

And the Saintess too I guess

Anyone else get corruption last night? I got a tasty fruit and am a tree and can vote now

Sweet.

Pedit:
Why can jackel vote but Banana couldn't at 0 corruption?

VOTE: Porkens

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Well, at least you can vote now.

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I would not share corruption values.

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2 night kills is troubling

I would imagine that at least one of them came from some entity other than the scumteam tho

- Dumber

Maybe.

Join me on the porkens wagon?

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For now, OK

But I would like to strongly reiterate that I believe starbuck and jackel to be scummy

VOTE: porkens

- Dumber

Noted.

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VOTE: Bell

Pull up banana, pull up!

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That reads list is interesting, but if you think about it. All the lower level people were people he was directly pressuring at the start or were the least active players.
In fact it almost perfectly matches up with the activity overview.

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That reads list is interesting, but if you think about it. All the lower level people were people he was directly pressuring at the start or were the least active players.
In fact it almost perfectly matches up with the activity overview.

And. You're voting one of them...

You noticed.

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I see how you may think so Banana but,
Right now Porkens seems pretty scummy to me,
Of course I could always be wrong.
Nevertheless, it's worth exploring don't you think?
You're very adorable.

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@Jackal, If there was a vig-like it was probably aimed at S_S. It would be very weird for Joey to get shot. Unless they were super paranoid.

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Banana fake hammered, so I started making a joke while trying not to directly interfere in case Math fell for it. Too bad he wasn't in the lobby when it happened but I noticed the VC was low so it seemed worth a shot.

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I thought, "Wow, this girl needs a sarcasm radar"
I'm surprised Jackel didn't get it either.

Not sure on Norwe scum tell. I was more suspicious about her vague responses and reads tbh.

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I still want more votes on Porkens all the cool kids are doing it.

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I definitely want to explore Starbuck-scum too today

Sounds good.

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Why did you assume that?

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I thought, "Wow, this girl needs a sarcasm radar"
I'm surprised Jackel didn't get it either.

Not sure on Norwe scum tell. I was more suspicious about her vague responses and reads tbh.

What are you saying here?

I’m saying that I don’t know if mafia fail to get irony or jokes more than town and that I think that star’s vagueness is suspicious. IIoA is a better articulation of my view.

Bed time post.

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Like herding cats I tell you.

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Or both.

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The support I see on porkers comes from your two town reads and me and they’re both voting porkens at my request and delaying their hunts elsewhere because they are being conscientious.

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The support I see on porkers comes from your two town reads and me and they’re both voting porkens at my request and delaying their hunts elsewhere because they are being conscientious.

Do you think we should lynch Porkens over anyone else today?

I’m not sure, but now I feel bad for doing this so early instead of later in the day.

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Something doesn’t add up tho.

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What do we have to add and subtract in this theme?

Just to clarify I was going to push here and then depending go poke at Starbucks/jackal/whoeverfucksup

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Ehhhhh

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No, it’s definitely a saintass.

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Neither do I.

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It does look like the path of least resistance. But you know, sometimes the lurkers be scum.

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I’m going to bed.
Happy scum hunting.

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I’m going to bed.
Happy scum hunting.

Can't hunt scum if they are ASLEEPING

Et tu banana?

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Also a Joey/me team is definitely off the table now.

No it's not.

VOTE: Starbuck

What in that porkens post seemed like town to you?

@RedTea I think players at E-1 should probably(?)claim their corruption level. But if mafia/thirdparty or whatever can raise corruption you give them a target.

Banana doubt checks out, he mentioned being a little lost yesterday, but it's hard to follow since he didn't have a vote.

@RedTea, Why are you ignoring Porkens holding unto their D1 reads. When you yourself said that maf totally does this?

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There is absolutely no way I’m wrong 3/3 on my reads at EOD yesterday. You don’t add up and you are freaking the fuck out.

It could be that yeah, Norwe is pushing harder because he's being scum read as scum. But your reasoning that because you had 3 scumspects yesterday one of them must be scum because the other two flipped town is ridiculous.

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I don’t have time for this. if you all don’t see norwee scum I’m not going to waste any more of my breath. I’ll read for his partners and we’ll just go from there. Right now probably looking at DD.

Am I in the same game as this person.

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no one has even mentioned us today. i dont care about any of you people.

You have my full attention. Thoughts on porkens, Starbuck?

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I am genuinely surprised no one attacked us last night.

~Bee

Why is that surprising?

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I don’t have time for this. if you all don’t see norwee scum I’m not going to waste any more of my breath. I’ll read for his partners and we’ll just go from there. Right now probably looking at DD.

Okay, could you add how you read starbucks to the list if he isn’t on your scum list.

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I don't think we are slightly townie.
I think Starbuck has a lot of posts that feel NAI or is just her agreeing with or other light comments on other peoples posts.
Like she is playing this game from a spectator or back seat position which I think is scum indicative.

I feel like she is trying to go under the radar and that means she is likely scum. I am just getting a bad vibe overall.
I also think her handling of crocodilo is a little weird.

~Bee

And porkens?

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No comment for time being.
Please leave a message after the beep.

*beeeeeeepp*

~Bee

Hi this is Bell, just checking in to see how you’re feeling and trying to look for associations if you’re scum. Are you mafia?
You can reach me by private message or twitter. I have a secretary who checks daily.

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A lot of folk in that lobby.

Sure Banana.

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I keep seeing, Jackal and RedTea in the lobby but they aren't posting.
Maybe they're just phone checking though. Not sure how that works.

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I keep seeing, Jackal and RedTea in the lobby but they aren't posting.
Maybe they're just phone checking though. Not sure how that works.

Where are you seeing that?

Both gone. Jackal was hanging around for 30 minutes or so and Rea tea for about 10.

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Why do you have 2 corruption?

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Well, as long as you don't kill yourself sounds good.

If I had to guess, maybe you lower everyone's corruption by 1?

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That does not sound like it's going to decrease everyone's corruption.

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Should I be ducking for cover?

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My game mechanic theorizing and knowledge is really weak. But I thought that typically it was lylo when you did mass claiming.
But yeah, more input. Also, yeah, NK draw/protection.

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Tbh, if I had a chaos chicken ability I would probably have already used it and killed myself.
Because Chaos chicken.

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Oh, it's a corruption Chicken. Maybe not.

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It occurs to me that if Dunstral doesn't honor your retract you're dead and I would appreciate your reads and opinions before you go to the banana sunday in the sky.

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That is an excellent analogy.
If I played Warlock Zoo for a while.
Which I did.

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Okay

I am gonna hurt myself, and extend the day 24 hours. That means 1 more corruption and oops! I'll have 3

There is another side effect that's pretty cool. Does anyone wanna guess?

@RedTea,
Line 1: Oh, I meant they should claim their role and corruption level, but shouldn't share otherwise. D_D approached that question from a different angle though it could be promising. Maybe, like I said my mechanics knowledge is scrub level.
2. Line 2 regarding Norwe, generally he's beenactive enough that I'm semi-content to just interact with him throughout the day and just develop a good solid read on him. The interaction, two things one was that Norwe stated that he didn't want to end the day too early, then posted 915# which seems pretty unrealistic in thinking that Porkens would get flash wagoned it had been a day and he wanted to let it breathe, but turned around. I'm pretty skeptical about anger and see how that could be a way of reversing a position to something more advantageous to them personally.

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Limited to phone posting for next few days.
Read a little about roles. I think it would be better to claim here, I gave the fruit to Banana.

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I see how you may think so Banana but,
Right now Porkens seems pretty scummy to me,
Of course I could always be wrong.
Nevertheless, it's worth exploring don't you think?
You're very adorable.

First letter of each line spells spells irony. Irony because banana voted me after I gave him the ability to vote.
Not sure if radical rat was crumbing or nk drawing.

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Banana I might be wrong, but if you keep compulsively checking this page you’re gunna tire yourself out. Pace thineself.

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Banana I might be wrong, but if you keep compulsively checking this page you’re gunna tire yourself out. Pace thineself.

Where do you see that lol

Maybe it’s just me and i’m Projecting from yesterday.

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It should be noted that my role has a compulsive element to it, so I can’t not spread corruption around.
If anyone has a way to reduce corruption or has some means of turning it to their advantage that can be changed.

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VOTE: Starbuck

E-2 I think.

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it roughly means that something that may explain this phenomena may occur soon.

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I miss bee and want one of the hydra heads to show up again and say hello.

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The worst was back up mod for my first newbie game when I came back and was nice enough to give me advice. Not sure if he plays or just mods tho.

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@Bell

Give me fruit again tonight. If I die (very likely) I take the corruption with me.

This is dumb.
You’re dumb.
Bakabaka

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How can jackal agree with starbuck’s reads, when like, he hasn’t stated any. Is he even voting rn?

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Moral arguments don’t change the need for information from all slots in the game to make a decision.
Arguably you could identify all the town even if the mafia never posted or all the mafia even if the town never posted, but that would be really difficult in my view. I don’t have that confidence.

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the active players here are making decisions that are probably AI. There isn’t as much need to pressure there because they’re creating their own AI content without much prompting.while the goal is to eliminate mafia everyday, the secondary goal is to create the conditions to eliminate mafia the next day and that requires AI posts.
Red tea I don’t see what you’re talking about in regards to star’s reads. He’s not voting and saying my vote on him is opportunistic because he’s town is not helpful to me. I acknowledge that there is a time constraint but it’s not like we’re not talking to or reading Into the motivations of other, more active players.

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I’m using the words required and needs. but really they’re not necessary or required. They’re just very helpful to me

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Ngl, i skimmed stars last post and missed the hectic life issues part.

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UNVOTE: thinking.

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VOTE: androbee

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I probably won’t vote d_d, Norwe, banana, unless somebody blows my mind or they do something I find strongly AI for scum.

PoE who i’m willing to eliminate based on this.

that second fruit request and all the i’m Gunna die from banana, plus the joke bee made at the start of the game made me think about joining your conspiracy club. My set up knowhow is trash tho.

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UNVOTE:

Hum.
Catboi in your argument on red tea you mentioned some stuff that I feel could have applied to me as well but you directed it solely toward redtea, why?

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VOTE: Porkens
Yup

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Yo. Apologies I thought I posted yesterday but I did not.

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There are a lot of roles with serious drawbacks in this game.
I think it would be best to do a mass claim(agree with d&d)
We can do it in order from least to most scummy, who wants to make an order for people to claim?

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Why?

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No, you’re not going to leak stuff in an Elo or melo situation where it’s unverifiable.

At least bee can verify in that situation. There are also a lot of claimed powerroles so far.

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You better be like, the most useful powerrole ever.

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Why did you ask for a second fruit when you wouldn’t be able to use your power if you didn’t get nked that night due to reaching 2 corruption? and why does it matter if you claim if you’re convinced you’re going to be nked anyway?

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Porkens, what do you think about mass claiming today?

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Okay, can you at least tell me if any of the claimed roles so far don’t fit well with any of your powers and could be scum fake claims?

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Rat not wanting his corruption lowered makes no sense to me. :/ where did he say that?

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Wow.what a daredevil.

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I don’t deserve to lose just cause they deserve to lose.

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It’s terrible to contemplate, but i’ve Played with scummier players than porkens who flipped town. It’s a nuance thing. He noticed the weirdness of IC claim after saintess died when it seems like they should have been an IC due to mod confirmation at start, while I didn’t.

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Why, banana?

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And when did you become president/governor.

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I don't see how you living to tomorrow is better than catching mafia today. :/

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Don't get complacent. We should do what we can to make sure we get this right today and tomorrow. Don't forget the regrets you both said you had about the Math wagon and not doing enough to change the vote when you started to doubt it.

I doubt Porkens, Starbuck and Jackal are all scum, it's just never that easy.

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Okay Banana, can we at least do a cram session and decide between the three of them which one is most likely by going over there whole things tomorrow?
How much time do we have left.

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Are you sure that, that's the best ability for us though?

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I'm in favor of mass claim.

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I'm a Priest of corruption.
I can give 1 fruit of corruption to one player to increase their corruption by 1.
If I don't, my corruption increases by 1.
Night 1 I targeted Bananacucho.

I already mentioned my crumbs.

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Why didn't I target porkens is a better question.

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In retrospect, I should have.

Pedit: Yeah, I know. lol. But that's what I got.

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Lowkey norwe, I could use the reduced corruption.

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Oh, banana could too.

Hum.

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Fruit of eden reference, snowwhite witch apple reference. poisoned koolaid. I dunno.
Ask dunstral.

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My guess is because it sounds evil and he wanted to give me a headache when I claimed.
Fruit vendors are often kinda wifomy right?

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Yup

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You can target me or Banana and either of us can confirm your claim norwe.

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That would have been a nice combo with the saintass.

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Lol, maybe we can force a draw if we miseliminate today banana.

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It depends if mafia die from corruption/if they have elevated thresholds for corruption. I half suspected I was a negative utility role.

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Can these set ups even have punishment for full claims?

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So you're saying you're a cleric too Red?

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I fundamentally don't understand how full claims can have associated mechanics to punish it. This is probably just me lacking enough experience for these game types.

Pedit:
I't 12:40 here. I thought about turning in, but this is really interesting.

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Lol, go read your book.
I'll think a little, probably get nowhere and turn in.

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There are more corruption roles I think.

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Or someone is lying.

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I'm wifoming on redtea.
That's super scummy, but would mafia redtea admit to this if he was scum?
But why wouldn't he?
wut

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Maybe a tracker in the set up? To make things confusing.

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Okay, I'm sleeping on this. lol.

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I slept on it. All I got was a dream that ants were swarming on my bed and before I was all the way awake I was already standing up on my bed like a third grader at his first sleep over.

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Nah, we're fine Norwe.
I'm conflicted on the popcorn method here, the scummiest players besides jackal (and to a lesser extent) Catboi got to claim last which is a luxury that the towniest players should have gotten.

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Tbh, I'm leaning more toward Starbuck than Porkens rn, because I can at least point towards stuff that I find unique in porken's post that could come from town.

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Maybe he's just less boring mafia to me though.

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VOTE: Starbuck

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What's your corruption at right now Porkens?

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Has anyone claimed an altered threshold for corruption?

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Or would like to do so now.

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I meant both from a "starts with higher corruption than others" and "Dies at a different corruption level than 3"

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Shh Banana.

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Porkens, what is your current corruption level and did your corruption change overnight?

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Catboi

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Cleric

- Norwee (Decrease corruption by 1)

Cleric

- redtea (Decrease corruption by 1)

Priest of Corruption

- Bell (increase corruption by 1 with loud modifier)

E.H.

- Banana (Self-harm 1 corruption to increase day time by 24 hours, Can't place votes at 0 corruption.)

[Unknown name]

androgybee (Self-destructing purification role thing...?)
Jackel -

VT

Dumb & Dumber-

VT

Porkens-

Beast master

(self-harm, 1 corruption increase to target another player, sacrifice pet and lose target ability to survive if corruption is 3 or greater)
Catboi-

VT

(

KIA

) NDMath -

VT

(

KIA

) S_S -

Saintess

(Mod confirmed role, Jack of all trades)
(

KIA

) Joey_ -

VT

Not claimed:
- starbuck

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Is it better for town to get rid of the third party or the mafia in this scenario?

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Maybe.

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Any clue why Porkens would track you red tea? He had you at null in the wee days of day 1. But TR you at the end of it.

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No reason of course. Sigh.

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Based on the linked game, Banana is mafia in this one because he hasn't posted

enough.

Glad we mass claimed. Not sure what I was expecting from starbuck's claim and I'm not sure what to think of it now that she has. It kind of fits the theme, I reisoed her and she did not crumb this role. But I guess if you stretched it, MathND progression makes slightly more sense, but not very much.

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Whether her claim fits from a theme and set up perspective on starbuck claim is where my head is at rn.

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Gg.