Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi I just paid 40 bucks for games I might not be able to play for a while ama
VOTE: beeboy
until he obvtowns I'm considering him likely scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, that sucks...what game and why can't you play it for a while?

I bought the Epic Battle Fantasy bundle on Steam, and I didn’t realize my chromebook wouldn’t be able to install the games until after I made the purchase
It’s not a total wash, whenever I get a windows computer for myself then I can play the games I bought but idk when that will be
Plus there’s the chance I can get a custom download for chromebook or something

Also that better be the Dawn One deadline or there will be problems

[Gamma Emerald]

Depends on whether you think it’s better for scum (the doctors) to not hear about it

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably not

[Gamma Emerald]

Penguins can't be doctors.

Can they be worms? Asking for a friend.

They can be worms but...

not real worms.

[Gamma Emerald]

why does 35 give scumpings vs. 33

[Gamma Emerald]

I think everyone should claim what they chose to do last night, or at the very least if they chose to explore or not

VOTE: SirCakez

~ Games

Why
I’m starting to be bothered by your insistence on this

[Gamma Emerald]

Wouldnt we want to try to coordinate that so we dont have 7 people trying to do that at the same time?

It's very very possible I missed something in the rules but i'm not sure why we'd want/need to hide that info?

Or like now there's 2 labs. What if 6 people pile on the first one and nobody goes to the second one?

Like I just dont fully understand what the benefit is to deliberately be secretive about everything

Also stats are public so wouldnt we just want to send the people with like the two highest knowledge scores to lab 1 and then the next two people to lab 2 (or some slight variation on this)?

(I'm saying like 2 people because if we just send one they can be scum and just not go and lie about it, but if two people are sent we'd need them both to be scum for that to happen)

~ Games

Honestly if we want to coordinate something like this I suggest, at least for today, we do 3 on one, 3 on the other, and 6 don’t try to destroy a lab tonight.

Also, I think I’m willing to interpret this motion by F&G as neutrally benign, so I’ll state I explored
And to Bingle, no I did not see what room I entered in my personal results.

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh
Apparently I didn’t find a specifically new room...? If not that then something wacky is happening
PEdit: yes I did get feedback from what I did

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually is the wombat thing something from a mafia game, or like, a DnD session?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are we voting Ydrasse

[Gamma Emerald]

Wagons are good.

Make another.

VOTE: Fun and Games
Okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Wagons are good.

Make another.

VOTE: Fun and Games
Okay

FOS: Gamma

y are you fos'ing gamma here?

~ games

Y aren’t u?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think I was being serious

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, don’t think I can really contest that

link to VC on this page

[Gamma Emerald]

Wagons are good.

Make another.

VOTE: Fun and Games
Okay

FOS: Gamma

y are you fos'ing gamma here?

~ games

He is being lazy scum.

As opposed to lazy town why?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma why are you voting Fun and Games? They're probably the most townie slot right now. Besides their mech-talk, they're actually suggesting town strategies and are trying to scum hunt.

my level of focus on this game is abysmal tbh
I just felt like counterwagoning, and F&G was someone I remembered being scummy earlier on when I was paying more attention

[Gamma Emerald]

The setup spec early on felt like trying to draw out info from the town

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna have to ask some questions about that one, namely "why?"

[Gamma Emerald]

not why I should vote there, but why are you voting there

[Gamma Emerald]

actually, why are you telling me to vote there, rather than trying to get me on board the wagon you're actually on

[Gamma Emerald]

No? Unless you just voted for wagoning's sake. And even then it makes little sense to push me to vote a wagon you're not on, honestly.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can definitely see someone missing the part about doctors being able to reduce knowledge by 1 each night or the part that if any stat is reduced to 0 it will result in death.

Except... He didn't just miss the part about the doctors being able to reduce knowledge. He missed multiple different places where multitasking was confirmed.

Multitasking was confirmed in post 1, under deadlines.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 5, 4 times under the actions heading, in every paragraph.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 6, once under Resolution/Interaction of Night Actions, once under attacks/steals, and once under Results.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 7, under General Setup Information and under the Doctor Faction.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 8, in the sample role PM. You know, the sample role PM that would mirror the role PM SirCakes would have gotten as town.

The Lab win condition, by comparison, was confirmed only in post 4.

So, in order for SirCakez to be telling the truth about the multitasking being forgotten, he had to have read how actions work in order to make his N0 actions and his own role PM in order to confirm. He also provably is scum or read at least enough of the rules to understand the secondary wincondition is {Scum activate Labs}.

I find it way more likely that SirCakez was trying to townslip as scum by "not being aware" of that aspect of the game than that he forgot something that came up in literally every rules post and his own role PM after reading the rules. I find it way way more likely that he's scum trying to fake a townslip than that he didn't look at any of the rules posts after having not remembered them but had read them in the first place WHILE ATTEMPTING TO ENGAGE IN SETUP SPEC.

I find it way more likely that SC is scum than that SC is town who came into the thread to do setup spec, then shifted directly to complaining about how he's not good at setup spec without doing anything else.

So I read Bingle's ISO a bit and it turns out he SRs both Sc and Ydrasse, and out of those two I like the reasoning put forward against SC more, this seems like a sound mini-case
VOTE: SirCakez

[Gamma Emerald]

Does penguin always play like this?

I think so

[Gamma Emerald]

I AM ASSASSIN.

my role allows me to attack someone as many times as my speed allows per night, rather than once; however, this does not allow me to do another specific action during the night.

i'm claiming because my other post didn't deter things but i would actually like to be useful and get multiple attacks off on scum, ty.

This sounds like it could be a scum role...

No...? Like, scum already have a hidden attack, this ON TOP of that makes 0 sense

[Gamma Emerald]

zzzzzzz this ydrasse wagon is boring can we vote like georgebailey or something?

~ games

I prefer cakeman.

Vote him then.

[Gamma Emerald]

I could vote beeboy btw

~ games

Yeah bee boy hasn’t powertowned yet which probably makes him scum : )

[Gamma Emerald]

Did this game shift over to my homesite, because the focus on night play is absurd rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

[quote=I Keep Siteflaking post_id=12181173 time=1601513630 user_id=34713 post_num=460]The traditional tool for making dowels is a dowel plate, an iron (or better, hardened tool steel) plate with a hole having the size of the desired dowel. To make a dowel, a piece of wood is split or whittled to a size slightly bigger than desired and then driven through the hole in the dowel plate. The sharp edges of the hole shear off the excess wood.
A second approach to cutting dowels is to rotate a piece of oversized stock past a fixed knife, or alternatively, to rotate the knife around the stock. Machines based on this principle emerged in the 19th century. Frequently, these are small bench-mounted tools.

For modest manufacturing volumes, wood dowels are typically manufactured on industrial dowel machines based on the same principles as the rotary cutters described above. Such machines may employ interchangeable cutting heads of varying diameters, thus enabling the machines to be quickly changed to manufacture different dowel diameters. Typically, the mechanism is open-ended, with material guides at the machine's entry and exit to enable fabrication of continuous dowel rod of unlimited length. Since the 19th century, some of these dowel machines have had power feed mechanisms to move the stock past the cutting mechanism.
High-volume dowel manufacturing is done on a wood shaper, which simultaneously forms multiple dowels from a single piece of rectangular stock (i.e., wood). These machines employ two wide, rotating cutting heads, one above the stock and one below it. The heads have nearly identical cutting profiles so that each will form an array of adjoined, side-by-side "half dowels". The heads are aligned to each other and one head is shaped to make deeper cuts along the dowel edges so as to part the stock into individual dowel rods, resulting in a group of dowel rods emerging in parallel at the machine's output.

[/quote]
Can I just say

How It’s Made

I’d honestly a really engrossing show

[Gamma Emerald]

See I have a role that iirc prioritizes knowledge so I went to the library instead of the gym
Just figured I’d put that out there before stats showed up and everyone started pointing fingers at me for a bad reason

[Gamma Emerald]

No, fuck anyone trying to mandate night actions

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean. We can win only by eliminating doctors. Gym or no gym.

No, fuck anyone trying to mandate night actions

Who are you talking to Gamma?

IKS, it looked like he was saying if you are Town you should go to the gym. Given what we now know that’s a shitty plan to push.

[Gamma Emerald]

or you can read the last line of the post, PP

[Gamma Emerald]

it explains his motive for the vote

[Gamma Emerald]

that's fair, my thing doesn't really counter what you're saying

[Gamma Emerald]

Also this is why I didn't go into the gym, felt it would've been a prime target for scum

Why did you assume that scum would have an ability to target an entire room?

Very good question, tbh I was thinking of the actual Betrayal game and thinking about how you gotta be in the same room as someone to attack them or do actions against them

Either way as it's been mentioned by other people, both labs got activated and we know a roleblock happened in the Gym, given that I did something else, there's a good chance I didn't do any of the doctor sided actions (unless you think I'm a 4th doctor here)

I don’t distrust you yet, but I feel like scum may have ways around certain action limits, such that they may have been able to freely activate a lab

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw just to make things a little spicier:
I think one of the consensus scumreads is correct.

[Gamma Emerald]

So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”. Now, why would my role say activate when I’m Town? My guess is scum has the same power on one of them. Since this action still requires a knowledge roll, I’m inclined to suspect anyone with elevated knowledge during N1, as they would have probably done so in order to be able to activate labs easier. The only person alive during N1 with increased knowledge was Pine. So I am going to
VOTE: Pine
And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.

[Gamma Emerald]

And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.

Interesting. That’s +equity for small town. Also Pine is a scumread?

I think on a preponderance of evidence from my own role information and the events of N1 shows Pine has a good chance to be scum. I could also see him being scum by play, but mechanics was the driving element here.
@IKS acknowledged, however there’s still the fact 2 labs were activated, I suspect Pine may have used his elevated knowledge to do so, since while the exact details aren’t disclosed I know scum still need to do a knowledge roll to activate labs, seeing as it’s required in the role portion I described.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge check

[Gamma Emerald]

I never thought to try that actually

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge check

Explicitly though you can activate labs? Can you ask what number you would need?

I never thought to try that actually

I just checked and it’s a doctors only thing

[Gamma Emerald]

On the flip side if Pine is innocent and was framed we're going to lose one of the people with extra knowledge who could've disarmed a lab.

Also the idea of mafia deciding to pump up their own knowledge and then go flip open some labs feels kind of too straightforward to me - I'd feel they'd at least try to be sneaky about it.

I also find his explanation

No.

I also visited the gym. The prospect of bumping to 4 speed and having my action essentially refunded was too tempting

to be convincing - it feels like a real thought process that somebody blocked from getting the speed up would think of and not something a mafia would make up after the fact or pre-planned out.

My better half is currently VLA for the weekend so I have not had a chance to discuss this with her yet but I feel the speed with which this wagon has moved based on fairly flimsy evidence is concerning.

509 feels more like scum over explaining than a genuine town explanation to me, as in “that’s the more likely scenario for a post like that”

[Gamma Emerald]

Also the idea of mafia deciding to pump up their own knowledge and then go flip open some labs feels kind of too straightforward to me - I'd feel they'd at least try to be sneaky about it.

Yeah, there’s no way to “be sneaky” about it, stats are public knowledge

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, i have to ask: was this not on your mind d1...? there were a few people who had increased knowledge (pine/gb) and yet you didn't end up voting either of them and instead ended on sircakez. is this theory something that occured to you like, after d1?

The fact two labs ended up being activated is why I had the thought now. Before then it would have merely been conjecture, as stats likely have several uses. With that evidence of the labs, it becomes a situation of “what enabled them to activate 2 in one night?”, which is where my thoughts come in.
I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.

[Gamma Emerald]

W

IN

C

ONDITIONS

TEST SUBJECTS

(town) win when all

DOCTORS

are dead.

DOCTORS

(mafia) win when any of the following conditions are satisfied:
1) Their number is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

at any point during the Day phase, or
2) The number of activated

LABS

is equal to or greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

, and the Voice (leader of the

DOCTORS

) is still alive, or
3) The number of activated

LABS

is strictly greater than the number of remaining

TEST SUBJECTS

.

HOW TO ACHIEVE WIN CONDITIONS:

Some combination of the following can be used to achieve win conditions:

• Eliminate players with your vote.
  
• Kill players by attacking them until any stat is reduced to 0.
  
• Activate or Destroy
  LABS
  using Knowledge rolls.

back to quicklinks

Gamma's "revelation" was public knowledge, you knobs.

I don't know where the +1 knowledge came from.

Real convenient hearing that from you. But to clarify, my ability allows activation/destruction without losing a speed stat action. I haven’t explicitly confirmed this, but there’s nothing indicating one couldn’t do this as well as using the speed stat actions to activate one.
The thing that implicates you isn’t having elevated knowledge by itself. It’s having it when 2 Labs got activated. That tells me scum managed to meet the number to activate not once, but twice, which makes me think they had raised knowledge. In addition it’s quite possible that the same scum activated both through a speed stat action and the role I have.
In addition, you just generally haven’t done much to solve the game. I understand you’re very commonly not an active player these days, but you’re not contributing even still from what’s been seen so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

How would having a +1 knowledge implicate anyone in itself?

[Gamma Emerald]

All this mechanic talk is why I used to only play open games I still haven't read this setup.

VOTE: pine because he's scum but I have a few things I wanna discuss

Hydra seems quiet today, internal strife?

Albert B. makes me nervous. More of a feeling.

I would vote Cmod if setup didn't point to cmod town.

Tempted to stake my life on ydrasse town

link to VC on this page

Hydra = F&G right? ABR does seem a bit sus but in a towny way rn. I might be a bit slow here but how does setup make Cmod town again? Agreed about Ydrasse prolly being town

Bit curious how you went from having synthesized very information to this. Not saying it's not possible but there's not much evidence you managed to get to this point.

@MOD personal PTs are transferred whenever a player is replaced right?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok the timestamps between posts check out at least, there was an hour gap

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, i have to ask: was this not on your mind d1...? there were a few people who had increased knowledge (pine/gb) and yet you didn't end up voting either of them and instead ended on sircakez. is this theory something that occured to you like, after d1?

The fact two labs ended up being activated is why I had the thought now. Before then it would have merely been conjecture, as stats likely have several uses. With that evidence of the labs, it becomes a situation of “what enabled them to activate 2 in one night?”, which is where my thoughts come in.
I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.

How do you know scum attacked you and not a townie?

I was told I was attacked by scum, it said a doctor attacked me and I took damage
Did you not see that I lost speed? And I also don't like the loaded question aspect of this, lightly implying I'm not "a townie"

[Gamma Emerald]

How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

Based on the fact that he lost speed, visited library and 2 labs were activated - not very likely.

I want to examine this question more closely. Where did scum use their knowledge modifier N2? How do you know if Gamma really visited the library, rather than giving himself the +1 knowledge right before activating a lab?

Who the fuck said scum have a +1 knowledge modifier?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah fun and games. They were on the Bailey wagon but I liked their vote so

As cmod has so kindly pointed out, we can point to about 5 things scum did last night, and he can prove he didn't do any of those with these items

I do have a pt with beebs name crossed out

Thoughts on pine, gamma?

I was the one who first brought forth the mechanical argument against pine, and I also think he's not really made any effort that would be indicative of his towngame. He is actually quite strong as town sometimes, and I'm seeing none of it. This even accounts for not being active, as even in games where he's less active he still makes those efforts
So yeah, I'm scumreading Pine if that wasn't clear

[Gamma Emerald]

I have absolutely no intention to vote him, but his claimed role is supposedly worded pretty strangely. We also theoretically had a 60% chance of destroying the N0 lab if both he and I attacked it and did not.

Why didn't Gamma attempt to destroy the lab?

maybe because I wanted to raise my knowledge?
Stop throwing weak ass shade, bro.

[Gamma Emerald]

Urm, I'm not the best at scum reads tbh but something doesn't sit right with me about bingle
I understand the mechanical scum read on pine but won't hammer until we've heard more from Pine

Also Pine, can you make sure you send out any items you have to your biggest town read before you die please

can't you only hand your items out at night? That's what I got from the rules regarding that

[Gamma Emerald]

and btw, dw about restoring my speed to 3, I still would just have 1 action a night

[Gamma Emerald]

I at least think nos can be softcleared based on his posting on the previous page

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm so confused by a lot of things

Nos, you're saying you got operated on last night?

So if we count all the actions we believe Doctors did last night:
1) Roomblocked the gym
2) Activated Lab 1
3) Activated Lab 2
4) Operated on Nos
5) Factional attack on Gamma

roomblock was probably factional, but things are lining up to where it seems my theory about what they did to activate 2 labs is being supported
btw I think upon a Pine scumflip we need to light a fire under ABR and Cakez for both shading me
PEdit: ah thanks

[Gamma Emerald]

gottem

link to VC on this page

[Gamma Emerald]

if you have anything that can disrupt some else's action's at night I'd prefer to be the one who gets it

[Gamma Emerald]

So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”.

I have absolutely no intention to vote him, but his claimed role is supposedly worded pretty strangely. We also theoretically had a 60% chance of destroying the N0 lab if both he and I attacked it and did not.

Why didn't Gamma attempt to destroy the lab?

maybe because I wanted to raise my knowledge?
Stop throwing weak ass shade, bro.

What?

Just because it doesn't take a night action doesn't mean I don't still need to do a knowledge roll. So I tried to boost my knowledge n1 to improve my chances on subsequent nights.

[Gamma Emerald]

BR does seem a bit sus but in a towny way rn.

how is he sus in a ~townie~ way?

~ skitter

I have since reconsidered (by which I mean he's acted in a way that changed my mind) but he seemed to type of abrasive that I'd expect town to be more often than not, a sort of "devil may care" attitude to how his pushes were perceived.

[Gamma Emerald]

ABR has pushed me at times. And I specifically thought his devil-may-care attitude was towny, as he seemed like he wanted to solve the game over look towny, which is definitely a town MO. After seeing him taking a few cheap shots though, that evaluation had lost its sensibility. You seem to be saying ABR has been silent, is that in general or compared to his normal play, because if it's the former I don't fully agree.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm still a little fuzzy on certain stuff (like where did you guys see the gym as a place you could go? I still don't know what rooms are available) But I read the opening post and am hip to most of the conjecture in thread.

Pine isn't trying. They've been caught and have decided not to defend themselves. The extra knowledge out of nowhere seals it. That came from scum, no question.

Gym was in lilith's opening day1 (or dawn1?) post

I feel like you caught up on the mechanics p fast and i think that's more likely to come from scum than town

I'm kinda confused why you think pine not trying is ai for him, and also what you think he's been caught on

I dont think he really had any extra info

~ skitter

I thought it looked fast on first blush, but I checked the timestamps and there was a 1 hour gap between JF asking about the info available and the next post where he'd gathered some. I personally think if JF were scum his buddies would have provided a more thorough explanation of what mechanical knowledge was available, and if that wasn't done initially he very well could have asked his questions in the scum thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought it looked fast on first blush, but I checked the timestamps and there was a 1 hour gap between JF asking about the info available and the next post where he'd gathered some. I personally think if JF were scum his buddies would have provided a more thorough explanation of what mechanical knowledge was available, and if that wasn't done initially he very well could have asked his questions in the scum thread.

To clarify - do u think the hour was too long to get help from the scum thread, or too short?

I kinda feel like someone may have posted a tldr there and he could have caught up, he caught up mechanically a little too fast on his own imo

Also i think clearing people for this sort of reasoning is kinda bad, i can point to an example i was in where scum repped in, got a super super quick tldr from the scum tjread, and everyone cleared him for this sort of reasoning ^

~ skitter

I think whether it was enough time to get it from the scum thread isn't the question, but if it was enough to get it from the main thread. Which I would say yes based on the level of comprehension shown. I've used the same type of logic you're putting out rn, so it's not like I don't know what's being talked about.
I wouldn't clear JF for this, but I definitely am not scumreading him for anything involving it.

@johnny Ai means alignment indicative, aka does something mean anything for someone's alignment.

[Gamma Emerald]

I do think Nos would be wise, if scum lower his knowledge via operation again that would kill him unless something else bumps it back up (which side note, but I'm curious why the sanity stat was taken out from the mental stats, and why no alternative was added)

[Gamma Emerald]

do you know how your ability was used so far? Are there any limits to when you can use it/how much you can use it?

[Gamma Emerald]

@JF oh. I thought it was more than that, and night have been why GB had elevated knowledge
@F&G (not-skitter) setup info says scum have an ability that can raise or lower anyone's knowledge once per night. And you seem to think Pine was town and framed, why? Why couldn't it have been GB who was framed?

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually fuck it, no reason to wait.

So I started this game as a pickpocket. Explored n0 and hit an event. The event threw my pickpocket career away and gave me the choice of two more, the teacher and the curator. These are all unique. Beb chose the Teacher, which i can use once to boost someone's knowledge.

that's interesting regarding being able to change careers
Also given CMod already fixed up Nos, I probably am now better served to get the +1 knowledge from JF

[Gamma Emerald]

Those labs are very likely not making it through tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

Premise: multiple people are considering attacking someone at night.

Because there are no idle labs and Pine is one of the few people who can actually destroy already activated ones, it could be a good idea to attack Pine at night and lynch someone else. Considering someone has a scumlean who isn't Gamma/ Nos.

you can just leave the labs to me
I was gonna ask JF to maybe give me his +1 but he's already given it to Nos (which iirc wasn't great because I believe Nos expressed something about his knowledge not being super important)

[Gamma Emerald]

I understand your suspicion of Johnny. It's a good catch

link to VC on this page

care to provide your own thoughts on the matter, beyond just agreeing with F&G?

[Gamma Emerald]

He asked for it

I have also asked for it before that point :/

[Gamma Emerald]

doesnotcompute
I've been all over Pine for pretty much the whole game.

And yet you launched a weird post my way that seemed to be trying to shade me while painting Pine as town
Why would you do that if you have scumread Pine the whole game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Man and I was genuinely worried I'd be rusty and not active enough for this game.

Iks having any confidence that a nighttime pile on would work at all in this setup reads as scummy to me

Cmod is so absent after his claim and is only doleing things out in a drip feed and I hate it.

Pine, we've got 5 days. If you're not feeling it, make yourself a nice meal and come back later.

Ally B-Ram should tell me why I'm getting voted in his own words. Next VC will reveal I'm at least telling one truth and I'm starting to get listless

CMod is undeniably town imo
I'm curious as to the exact logic of how suggesting a pile up is scummy. I'm not saying it's wrong, in fact I'm quite open to the thought and slightly agree. I just want the full specs on the process that makes it scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

we're still sus of johnny but on balance feel worse about abr

VOTE: abr

~ skitter

why does balance implicate ABR?

[Gamma Emerald]

2 things

it inspires a bunch of people to NOT destroy labs/ explore rooms / etc which is something scum would like

AND it either shows us that he's confident he knows how the night will go (which none of us should be confident about) or he just knows... which makes him scum

P: this is at gamma

yeah this checks out
I don't recall anyone anywhere expressing much desire to do what IKS said was the case

@Cakez one sec

[Gamma Emerald]

wait no I misread the thing I thought was shade entirely

[Gamma Emerald]

How do you know scum attacked you and not a townie?

Cakez asked this towards me, and on my initial read of it I thought "and not a townie" was meant to be an alternative clause to the word "you", when it was an alternative clause to "scum". I think I thought this because I recalled the fact doctor have a factional attack that just shows up as being done by a doctor, so I figured that was self-evident, thus pushing me towards thinking the other part of the action (the target, rather than the attacker) was the one an alternative was being presented for

That should effectively cover what I mean.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it stupid to townclear Cakez for not being aware of that btw? I think scum would be extensively aware of it

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on the rest of cakez play I'd rather not

i'm not offended that you won't townclear me for that (I wouldn't either in your position assuming you're town) but I am offended you dislike my play

why specifically wouldn't you townclear yourself from JF's position? what about him specifically allows that?

[Gamma Emerald]

hell no, I think there's still a good amount of discussion to be had

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's get a hammer going. I'm ready.

So many posts of mine that you're ignoring

I'm still kinda baffled why the pine wagon is a thing, or why you're treating it as inevitable

~ skitter

Read the damn game to know why Pine wagon is a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Read the damn game to know why Pine wagon is a thing

Both of us have read the game multiple times.

We understand the reasoning behind the Pine push. We just think it's really bad.

Like you think scum purposefully put +1 Knowledge on their OWN player on N0 so that he could more easily activate labs right?

The simplest counterpoint to this theory is that stats are public knowledge and it doesn't make sense to sacrifice a scum-player just to activate a lab.

More importantly -

labs do not matter this early in the game

There are currently at least 8-9 town players (3-4 scum) and only TWO labs activated - which means the bad guys are nowhere close to fulfilling their lab activation victory condition.

This means we have plenty of time to de-activate these activated labs - at least a few night-phases- though ideally we would just kill the bad guys and win the game that way. The best chance the town has to de-activate these labs is to have high knowledge players try to deactivate labs - so shouldn't we at least give Pine a chance to de-activate these labs instead of just yeeting him? If he fails like multiple times then your case for yeeting him gets much better.

I'm not solely arguing scum put knowledge on themselves because it benefits them. I'm saying it because two labs being activated points to that idea. The whole meat of this is entirely based around the known events of the game, where Pine got knowledge n0 and then 2 labs got activated n1. Pine very well could have the same role (aka career, just to lean on game terminology for a second) I do, which would have allowed him to activate a lab for free once in addition to still being able to use a night action through speed to do it. Pine also just hasn't been contributing, and when he's this low contribution as town I generally see him replace out or at least be upfront about it being a problem. So there's a non-mechanical reasoning for Pine to be scum.
Now, let's talk hypotheticals off of Pine's flip. If he flips with my Career (which I expect should show up in the flip despite full role text not) then we can treat my theory as effectively confirmed. If he flips as scum with a different role, then it says 2 things: that scum probably did end up using two standard night actions to activate those labs, and that it probably takes a relatively low roll to get. If he flips town we at least have a ton of wagon information to analyze from today and maybe yesterday. So I think yeeting him today is at the very least a strongly informative move.

As for whether labs matter, they ALWAYS matter. If we can destroy the labs now, they won't be around later, and I imagine there's a good chance there won't be infinite labs.

[Gamma Emerald]

And like, we now have TWO people with at least as much knowledge as Pine, so the "let him stick around to destroy labs" idea doesn't really work for me when there's 2 people who are seemingly just as effective.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez tunneled me in one of our games and I vigged him. We were both town. I had all the scum pegged and we were going to lynch them all but the scum had a win condition that didn't require having majority.

Are you drawing any conclusions about his alignment here from this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Pine very likely won’t catch up, at least today

[Gamma Emerald]

First, despite all of my attempts to use your roleclaim to find out, you remain adamant that you don't know what roll scum need to activate a lab. I would wager, in fact, that activating a lab is comparatively easy to destroying one, because in a game without nightkills scum is going to need some serious advantages. Your mechanical argument for Pine scum is a very weak case, yet it's seen a disproportionate amount of support.

Second, can you provide instances of Pine town apologizing for not being around in the early game? I don't think I've ever seen that happen.

Third, Careers almost assuredly don't flip given the mod information that everyone has a career and the fact that GB didn't flip with a career, just as a test subject.

Fourth, if you can destroy labs and act normally at night, why didn't you attempt to destroy a lab on N0? There should have been no drawback to attempting given it would have been a free action and it's public knowledge that labs get harder to destroy when they're active, something I doubt you wouldn't have read with a role about destroying labs. If you can guarantee a lab's destruction (you more or less softed that with 792 and 827), then guaranteeing a lab's destruction early on for free is exactly equal to guaranteeing a lab's destruction late game for free, with the added benefit of it not risking you dying before you manage it.

1 I've already answered that I don't know because the mod won't tell me, it isn't part of the role info and when I asked I was told it was scum-exclusive information, which I already said, so don't get pissy when you are the one who missed my post. 2 the key instance I'm remembering is Civ 5 mafia, run by Venmar. He was having trouble keeping up with the game and was very upfront and morose about it. Compare that to Pokemon Ruby mafia, a game where he was inactive as scum, and didn't display such an apologistic tendency. And "early game" has nothing to do with it, he replaced into Civ 5 mafia at the midpoint. 3 I honestly should have put that together myself, sorry. 4 I wanted more knowledge before I did that, so I explored in hopes of boosting my knowledge though some method. My ability to destroy labs outside of the speed stat isn't an infinite use action, there's a cap on it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Aw shid I knew that.

then why'd you have to ask?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a vig, better than even chances to one-shot a 3-3-3 player, if I get a weapon it becomes almost certain to one-shot them unless they roll perfectly.

I'm curious about this because you either need a ton of dice or some flat amount of damage dealt in order to ensure such a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

There is nothing alignment indicative in me describing the mechanic of my attack.

No one really suggested this?

[Gamma Emerald]

fair enough

[Gamma Emerald]

fair enough, I just felt like putting out my thought process there

[Gamma Emerald]

@lilith would the factional attack action be able to be affected by a scum's personal stats? Is the attack stat of the scum factional attack fixed?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.

how could both of us be attacked by scum lol?
VOTE: gamma

Hey so now that this has been effectively answered, you mind putting your vote somewhere useful?

[Gamma Emerald]

Firstly how and why do you think I'm fakeclaiming? That implies the role I am claiming is a lie, what evidence do you have to support that allegation? Second, why am I not in your scum PoE if you think I'm fakeclaiming? Even if you don't want to vote me out now I should still be in your scumpool.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is that towards me? I recall also not feeling great about IKS but I don't recall those things you are talking about from him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bingle on Day 3 I think some of the problems you're seeing with my role will be resolved.

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't miss that point. The thing I'm pointing out is that you're using an appeal to probability (which is itself a flawed argument) based on unknown probabilities to crusade for Pine's elimination. It's entirely possible, from my perspective, that scum need to roll a 2 to activate a lab. It's entirely possible that scum need to roll a 6 to activate a lab. I don't think either of those are likely to be the case, but they're both possible. If the doctors need to roll a 3 to activate a lab, and have a knowledge of three, they succeed roughly 60% of the time with a knowledge of 3. Given a presumptive three scum, if two of them attempted to activate labs last night then they would have had a greater than 1/4 chance to succeed twice. If the target number is 4, they had a roughly 1/8 chance. The thing is that we really have no idea if either of those is the case. The entire case is based on probabilities I don't know, and can't know. Your presentation of it as a consensus scumread vote and then backtrack to a "it's mechanical" and then addendum of "it's also meta" is what gives me so many bad feelings about the push though.

3 is kinda my guess but a part of me interprets the part about labs being able to be destroyed after being activated as potentially meaning something even if the plain text doesn't suggest anything. I think scum need a 4 or 5 to activate, and out of those I'd predict 5 over 4 because it create a sorta pattern. But two activating in one night makes me think there's the chance Pine used that extra knowledge to get another lab activated with good odds. It's speculative yes but Pine just generally hasn't contributed, and it's more like how he fail to contribute as scum vs. as town. Look at what Pine is specifically like when he is inactive in those games I cited. There's a clear difference.
PEdit: I acknowledged that but you should have labeled that set of people differently, then.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bingle on Day 3 I think some of the problems you're seeing with my role will be resolved.

I literally prefaced that whole wall with "I don't think we can afford to eliminate Gamma today".

With that said, while I do have all of those issues, I don't think that you trying to explain them is a good idea at the moment for roughly the same reason as I don't think that eliminating you is a good idea, and I do see you leveraging your claim into wanting extra resources, such as the knowledge I told JF to give to Nos and control over the elimination today. I am more than happy to be proven wrong if I'm wrong, but for now I trust you roughly as far as I can throw you, and I 100% want to hedge my bets so that we benefit if I'm wrong or if I'm right. So, we spread the knowledge out to two different players so that both of them can break labs. Nos is likely town who also is likely to survive without losing knowledge.

Fair enough.

[Gamma Emerald]

we don't know what Pine is for sure, it's all speculation, but he's also been inactive and unhelpful. Why is that the question you ask?

[Gamma Emerald]

He's almost certainly town between night actions and what he's done this day phase

[Gamma Emerald]

Like we already determined the way CMod claimed his night action was likely town, no? In addition to that, he's done something this day phase that would be very foolish for scum to do.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay but because of that if creativemod is scum he made an objectively anti-wincon play
To specify, since I don't give a shit about playing coy here anymore, he gave me something that will give me a temporary stat boost. That is why I'm saying I can very likely nuke the labs (this is regarding my talks with Bingle), and why CMod is never scum here

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I have a question for the class.

Who, if town, do you think has the worst reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

Addendum: you cannot answer with yourself.

[Gamma Emerald]

curious why, but I'll at least accept the answer

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I don't recall much from him recently either

[Gamma Emerald]

02. SirCakez = town

talk about this, btw? I don't necessarily disagree, just wanna know what you see

[Gamma Emerald]

Nosferatu, at this point what would you say your odds are to destroy an activated lab?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah i’ve been floating around ~_~ my bad

uh, basically though if you point me in a direction i can attack someone but i’m useless ability-wise right now because i can only do 1 action a night so. yeah.

like, always?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait why is everyone afraid of us?

I very much want an answer to this ^

Same

I'll third this

[Gamma Emerald]

your ability to attack x times is based on your speed stat iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

okay so how does that affect your read there?

[Gamma Emerald]

He's smart

So you basically think you won't be able to get a wagon going on f&g?

[Gamma Emerald]

fair enough, I will need to see who I dislike generally and/or in the pre-flip scenario that pine is scum, I definitely want to get that done at some point soon

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
fair enough

[Gamma Emerald]

your ability to attack x times is based on your speed stat iirc

Narp.

ATTACKS/STEALS
Unless otherwise specified (e.g. by Items/abilities), each player may only perform a total of one attack or steal per Night, regardless of their action threshold.

I AM ASSASSIN.

my role allows me to attack someone as many times as my speed allows per night, rather than once; however, this does not allow me to do another specific action during the night.

i'm claiming because my other post didn't deter things but i would actually like to be useful and get multiple attacks off on scum, ty.

So basically Ydrasse can attack with the normal one and as many action as he gets through speed? Is that correct?

[Gamma Emerald]

OOOH BUZZWORDS!!

I'm scum guys. Elim me.

why do I feel like that was actually a tactically placed pagetop to confound people viewing the conversation

[Gamma Emerald]

why

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm considering it, but I want to make an informed decision if possible.

[Gamma Emerald]

So basically Ydrasse can attack with the normal one and as many action as he gets through speed? Is that correct?

No. Everyone gets x actions based on speed. Everyone can use one or zero of those actions to attack, if they want. Ydrasse can use any or all of her actions to attack, if she wants.

But everyone also has an attack/steal that doesn’t cost a speed action. Does Ydrasse’s role remove that from his arsenal? I would say this may mean something for alignment, but I also recognize roles are independent of it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh now I see what the deal is with Ydrasse’s role

[Gamma Emerald]

I am taking bets. How much are you willing to bet that Pine has the same Career as you do?

I think it’s possible. Are you trying to imply “unique” means exclusive?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who should I teach iks

The highiest person on this list you townread:
-Nosferatu
-Gamma
-Pine
-everyone else
-Cakez

judging from this

This was mechanical list. Not read list.

VOTE: abr

no problem with an ABR vote but why aren't you pushing me if I'm your top SR?

1) I am not sure enough to push.
2) I wanted to join a 2nd leading wagon, to try to derail Pine's wagon. It creates some neat associations with Pine's slot I can use to make non-mechanical reads after some flips.

Interesting word choice

[Gamma Emerald]

hello Gamma and Bingle and whoever else i know who's on this list, it's lovely to see you.
1126 is interesting. do you townread this slot?

Not really

[Gamma Emerald]

oh

[Gamma Emerald]

Noraa about to blow this game up

In a good or bad way?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes, because Pineslot is a wealth of information beyond lurking and being replaced.

I mean - kill it but don’t pretend like we’re getting loads of info from it.

the info is most likely from people's interactions with Pine

[Gamma Emerald]

@mod Can two people have same career?

@lilith

[Gamma Emerald]

okay, so I've been potatoing hard this game for a lot of stupid things I should have figured out from the opening posts

[Gamma Emerald]

He's scum. Let's get this wagon on IKSF rolling.

Still haven’t bothered to read but I agree IKSF is not doing town things rn
VOTE: IKSF

[Gamma Emerald]

You can attack someone at night but it’s not a guaranteed kill unless you have beeg damage

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll do things soon hopefully
why did Chara rep out

[Gamma Emerald]

can I get the bingle wagon reasoning in a sentence or so, I'm trying to play several games fast rn

[Gamma Emerald]

can I get the bingle wagon reasoning in a sentence or so, I'm trying to play several games fast rn

Fun and games starts vanity wagons, sheeps consensus reads even when they are on people that were TRs just a few hours ago, and basically doesn't have reads.

I aint making a case on a TR of mine lel

valid comment, and I like your approach there. F&G's mech talk has seemed very go-with-the-flow too so I can go with that wagon
VOTE: fun & games

PEdit: first off that's not really in a senctence or close to it, and I think that's not damning for Bingle, plus Noraa raised good points against you so I'm not inclined to take your word

[Gamma Emerald]

can I get the bingle wagon reasoning in a sentence or so, I'm trying to play several games fast rn

He has few reads and not really trying to engage and threw a bunch of AtE rage out when the wagon built

this is a little better but could you point out the ate rage in particular so I can make my own sense of it

[Gamma Emerald]

PEdit: first off that's not really in a senctence or close to it, and I think that's not damning for Bingle, plus Noraa raised good points against you so I'm not inclined to take your word

a) explain why this isn't damning for bingle
b) what points from noraa are good

the part about sheeping consensus on reads you'd expressed the opposite of consensus in the past, I don't really know how accurate that is for real but with how spineless you've felt in your mech-talk I think there's something there
As for the things against Bingle I don't think the expectation of more townreads is fair, I've felt on and off throughout today so I could see another townie not feeling strongly about a big group of townreads. The only thing I would really buy with that is if he's objecting to one of the essentially cleared slots. I also don't think the things about his penguin push really add up to scumminess, they just seem like poor reasoning

[Gamma Emerald]

also just wanna make sure i get this out:

town: penguin, iks, sircakez
lesser town: gamma, nos, cmod
null: chara/pine
scum-ish: abr, johnny
scum: bingle

noraa: probalby bad town but they're playstyle is remarkably annoying

i'm not sure gamma actually knows what he thinks or can articulate his scum!us or not-scum!bingle position

~ skitter

Why the hell are the people who are Town by mechanics (cmod and nos primarily, me as well but it’s based on something only I truly know, though I just had a thought about that thing) in your “lesser town” group?

[Gamma Emerald]

It looks like the deadline won’t get suspended due to Chara’s slot needing to be filled, so we need to figure out what we’re doing here for real and fast

[Gamma Emerald]

(i'm asking if you're an alt, not to reveal the alt)

there is no way an account called "i keep siteflaking" is an alt

[Gamma Emerald]

looks like your play is more about consolidating your power base and pocketing town. unfortunately for you, my forte is pushing through difficult lynches on strong scum.

I think with that wack read list, this is a very fair evaluation

[Gamma Emerald]

ABR doesn't it feel weird to you how this wagon only formed within a day of deadline though?

The deadline is paused. We have time back on our side.

Okay then. Still a good idea to consolidate in advance.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes yes, stall and delay the game even more pls.

Except we seem to be deadlocked where outside a few swing voters (read: me at the very least) everyone on one of F&G/Bingle seems locked into their vote. We need together break the deadlock, arrange the swing votes to get one through (because I think a no elim is a bad idea rn), or we need to find a compromise.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod are we allowed to request you pause the deadline for a bit longer even tho a replacement has been found considering the huge amount of replacing out and prodges this game?

I would consider extending the deadline if enough players request it.

Request deadline extension

we may not need it but I want to put my quarter in while I can.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we need to extend the deadline. Considering that I was the first vote on Fun and Games and this wagon is now the largest wagon when I literally repped in so late in the day shows how damn disoriented this town is. I will continue to push this wagon but I think this town is all over the place and we need to get ourselves together before falling flat on our faces in day 2.

Lofuckingl if you think stalling for more time is going to help consolidate town. Reeks.

it's not "stalling for time" it's making it so we're not pressured to make a decision as much

[Gamma Emerald]

How am I fence sitting? I think you are town, but I don't think the way you read people is particularly reliable.
IKS is I Keep Siteflaking. Scumreading him for voting a leading wagon doesn't seem accurate to me. What is the difference between town and scum voting Bingle in that situation?
About ABR, there is no guarantee that his reads are correct in the first place. Vigging me is a mistake.

ABR is not the only one who SRed you, if he was there would be an issue with him proposing to vig you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I quite prefer Noraa over Bingle at this point.

I wouldn't, I think she's actually being quite reasonable here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I love a town!ABR.

Weird comment then.

ah what I meant was that I liked having him as town in my reads

Sure. Because that’s more natural than just saying you like ABR.

I don't care to dive too deep into this rn but the way Noraa said it isn't entirely unnatural

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald has developed into a townread.

What for?

[Gamma Emerald]

And im biased here but from my experience as someone that has not very convincing or correct reads for the most part, its very difficult to not get mad when you feel like everyone is actively ignoring/discrediting your opinions. I feel like this is precisely what's happening with ABR here. I think some people are bad at persuading and bad at reads(me and maybe ABR?) and ik that its difficult for town to deal with players like this at times but honestly we don't feel hot when people just go around and say hey ur reads r shit. And I think the way to actually get something out of them is to just not pile onto them :/

The more people discredit, the more emotionally fueled his reads will be
the more emotionally fueled, the worse

I can second this sentiment, both from just a general perspective and from having played with RC plenty.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really like either of them at this point, but hopefully reading more into things helps me out.

Heya, is there anything u want to talk about?

~ skitter

*sigh*
am I not supposed to see this as a pocket?

I think you might be tunneling actually, it doesn't seem overt enough to be a pocket yet. As it is, it just looks like trying to get the word in edgewise, which isn't really a tell I think.

[Gamma Emerald]

Abr has a history of being emotionally charged and people discrediting him as a reason is bunk.

this is true
doesn't change that I think Noraa is genuine about believing that

[Gamma Emerald]

who is RC?

Radiant Cowbells. He is a very self-assured player, and is very hard to talk down if he thinks he is right.

[Gamma Emerald]

fucking hell
VOTE: bingle
I'm pretty strongly TRing Noraa here

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I'm not dead yet but I'm definitely close
How was your night Nosf?

[Gamma Emerald]

they have an anonymous extra factional attack but that's it

[Gamma Emerald]

I use revolver on noraa

This is disgusting
Noraa is probably the person I think is the most Town by play

[Gamma Emerald]

Also can I roll to access the vault during the day?

[Gamma Emerald]

ABR what happened to your vig powers?

Maybe you could wait for actual daystart?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is that in the opening posts?

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI I feel like Noraa’s play here, on top of just seeming sensible, is night and day to her just-finished scumgame

Dawn period is a time to talk while actions resolve btw

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m p sure the avatar change is just because MafiaSunny finished, PP.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah sensible is probably the wrong word
She seems like she’s trying to genuinely figure the game out, even if her reads aren’t the best

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m aware that it is probably playstyle clash, I think I have some with Noraa as well but I’m at least able to somewhat relate to her

This isn’t to say anything about our actual ages or to insult you, but think of it like Noraa is a Gen Zer, I’m a Millenial, and you’re a boomer/Gen Xer

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm literally seeing someone who is not trying to understand the rules of the game.

I think scum would be more motivated to figure that out

generally

Noraa, however, not sure.

But beyond her failure to grasp the setup rules, I think she’s trying to solve as best she can

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m saying you’re Town though

[Gamma Emerald]

Who needs to go today, Gamma?

IKS or F&G is probably where I’m most interested in voting atp

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s night and day because you’re not doing either of the two key things I associate with scum you: taking offense to an inoffensive post, or trying to mooch up to me. I remember you doing those in MafiaSunny and both of those things just didn’t feel like town plays. Plus, your expression of your reads doesn’t feel lacquered with scum narrative.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Noraa So am I. I think I know what differences to pay attention to, however.

[Gamma Emerald]

I should 100% be cleared once the Day Phase starts.

[Gamma Emerald]

I should 100% be cleared once the Day Phase starts.

why is that?

I’ll let the results speak for themselves.

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on my review of the rules it isn’t announced who did something to a lab, just the current condition of it

link to Day 3 start/VC on this page

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice job on the labs, lads.

You’re welcome. Hopefully the status of those labs along with my stats paints a clear picture of what I did last night.

[Gamma Emerald]

TOWN BLOCK:
Noraa, ABR, gamma, Johnny

Add CMod to the townblock, he healed someone, and he gave me the item that put my knowledge up to 6
Which, btw, expires at the end of today so if I can’t attempt the vault rn I’ll probably not worry about it for now

[Gamma Emerald]

So did you destroy both, gamma?

My dice rolls were enough, yes. It’s possible Nosf also did well enough on his attempt to destroy one of the labs. It’s only known to us what our results were, not anyone else’s.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, destroying labs increses knowledge?

Yeah this is not true. My extra knowledge is exclusively from an item.

I also really dislike this series of questions you’re asking. You’d better have a massive pot of gold at the end of your rainbow.

[Gamma Emerald]

This should be compelling.

[Gamma Emerald]

CMod = creativemod1

Me and Nosf both attempted to destroy labs. We’re told if our attempt succeeded but not if, in no uncertain terms (hopefully), whether or not it would still be standing if we had NOT succeeded.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, though if anyone wants to assemble one between some of the conftown that would be AMAZING

[Gamma Emerald]

Because that was what he was intending to do last night. I trust his motives because scum operated on him twice.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Johnny in there rn? If I can see why that would aid me immensely.

[Gamma Emerald]

I do TR him from his replace in, but I don’t consider him conftown rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like seriously, why didn't this vote happen yesterday?

It didn't happen because Bingle tried to veer towards Noraa. Had he stayed the course I would have stayed where I was, once he voted my TR he both made himself an enemy and made it infeasible we'd vote out F&G by deadline.

[Gamma Emerald]

actually looking at things it seems like ABR attacked CAKEZ? Why???

[Gamma Emerald]

Also how was attempting to destroy a lab when two much more capable people were going to do it a "fun and cool option"? Seems more likely you just put out a fake action claim to hide whatever you actually did because you're scum

I want to vote F&G but I should give whatever PP did a chance to become clear

[Gamma Emerald]

How is something dangerous boring?

[Gamma Emerald]

hello

Cmod and Noraa are probly both bad because they knew the scum would not roomblock the gym so they went there. a normal townie-thought process is usually not to go waste their 1 nightaction on the place that got blocked last night.

After we flip town should go there.

I think you guys should wagon us faster so we do not have to post here anymore thanks :3


~Not-Skitter

CMod is damn-near conftown so your shade there is not appreciated. I also think Noraa has been towny, as expressed plenty already. And like, the fact they managed to visit the gym successfully says NOTHING about what they knew about roomblocking? I think you actually TMied that YOU know something about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't hate your claim. If you did destroy a lab, I would not be voting you right now. I couldn't kill you and be wrong.

How would you know he destroyed the lab though? The public information is just the status of the lab, there's no who's-who on it, so it's all word-of-mouth on whether they actually managed to do it. I just can present both labs being gone as clearing me because it verifies my action and I also have the knowledge to back up the fact that I accomplished such a thing. The only way I could be argued as scum is through a long-con argument.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi guys, sorry for not being here yesterday. I also found a sword which boosts attack because I went exploring last night. I don't think that will be too helpful towards me, so I'm thinking of giving it to Albert tonight.
I too am confused about what Fun and Games is claiming to do, and I am not sure I even believe it. I will see what else I think too.

This is VERY interesting given what PP has posted
We stay the course on F&G today though.

[Gamma Emerald]

he gave me the item that put my knowledge up to 6
Which, btw, expires at the end of today so if I can’t attempt the vault rn I’ll probably not worry about it for now

Wow, that does not seem very helpful if it doesn't even last for the night.

I am also ready to vote Fun and Games, but I think DKKoba should be given time to share thoughts to catch up and share some thoughts. Was Nosferatu attacked by the scum?

the item lasts for a day and night cycle, and I wanted to blast some labs ASAP, so I waited until night came when my stats wouldn't be posted for scum to see every page, and then I popped it and went crazy

[Gamma Emerald]

I think there have been people who have been attacked by Doctors, so I am townreading them right now(Gamma, DK/Nos, Cmod1). Out of the other people, I think I am townreading Penguin, you, and Noraa. I have not had a chance to talk with Cakez and Johnny too much this game, but I think I would lean town on them. I think IKSF and the FG need to go.

Why are you TRing PP?

[Gamma Emerald]

GIVING ITEMS
Players can give each other Items at any time by PMing me or posting in your personal PT the following: Give [Item Name] to [Recipient Name].
During the Dawn and Day phase, this is effective as of the PM and is permanent.

btw there's a cooldown for giving away items, at least after it is given to you

[Gamma Emerald]

I think ABR was the "you" in that post

[Gamma Emerald]

ABR- conftown cuz thought process *extremely* similar to mine
Gamma- attacked by doctors and destroyed a lab and no one cc'ed
Johnny- thought process really similar as well and night actions seem towny enough
cMod- town for reasons gamma gave
Nos- attacked by scums and most likely destroyed a lab as well

ok lol these are not conftown except for probably Gamma and Nos

CMod practically threw if he's scum though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Koba, do you like dowels?

KILL THIS

[Gamma Emerald]

So doctors targeted me twice so far according to my pt i feel i can claim that safely

that line's up with what Nos claimed

[Gamma Emerald]

nora is scum i think

lel way to just pop that out of nowhere. u better explain cuz I still think ur slot's town

ye same and I think you're town too so I'm not happy to see that

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma what type of rolls are you getting on attack/defense? you took 2 dmg last night - was the attack roll abnormally high?

4 attack vs. 2 defense
night before was 3 attack vs. 2 defense

[Gamma Emerald]

Dkkoba what did you do last night? Gamma said you .... destroyed a lab?

I said Nosf said he would

[Gamma Emerald]

Lets play a game where we imagine my slot flips town
How does that affect your reads and where do u go next?

let's play a game called you've been hung up on this "when we flip town" thing all day and it's getting old.