Mini Theme 2165: MafiaSunny (Complete!)

[Gamma Emerald]

Sunny is amazing, I have no idea what it is but I would die for it

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we petition North Carolina to make Sunny merch

Yes, do it

[Gamma Emerald]

Do arbitrary townblocs ever contribute anything of meaning? I see so many people open with them and I want to mock the living daylights of them for how silly it is but I’ve never actually paid attention to their effects on the game

[Gamma Emerald]

Do arbitrary townblocs ever contribute anything of meaning? I see so many people open with them and I want to mock the living daylights of them for how silly it is but I’ve never actually paid attention to their effects on the game

Townblocs win games. What you got against them?

I don’t deny that. I’m just unsure if the ones with weird or arbitrary conditions for being added ever actually help either faction

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there a reason for anyone voting anything or are y'all so caught up in the glory that is Sunny that you are just voting randomly

(pls this is my 0.5th game of mafia, if this is a tradition i aint familiar)

Most mafia games start with joke votes until something more real builds.

I'm actually increasingly happy with this Gamma Emerald vote though. You should hop on this wagon

Are you encouraging

sheeping

?
Suspicious...

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

I see this room likes the “YEET” terminology
My homesite also settled on that term as the new vote-out word, so it feels kinda cozy seeing it used

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think your townbloc would be well put-together?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay. I’ll leave you to it then.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because my entrance didn’t involve a vote and I haven’t felt like voting someone yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Not a majority of the time but I’ve done it a decent amount

[Gamma Emerald]

I was trying to not be like “grrr I think this is nonsense”, I genuinely wanted to know whether townblocs with arbitrary criteria (which tbh VPB’s bloc doesn’t look like it is) actually mattered in any sort of way

[Gamma Emerald]

that is single handedly the largest tonal overreaction ive ever seen in a mafia game and i feel like chkflip vastly overestimated the read he had on the room

VOTE: chkflip

Yeah I think he thought it was time to dogpile VPB

I don’t know why that makes him scum but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

uncomfortable that people are dogpiling with me on my questioning of ut hmmmmmm

Who’s dogpiling?

[Gamma Emerald]

@tn

yeah I was being a bit snarky to VPB but I also think he’s demonstrating that he’s willing to put real thought into his townbloc, rather than just take people because they feed his ego

[Gamma Emerald]

That checks out
VOTE: chkflip X-2

[Gamma Emerald]

Alrighty now imma go thru and read chkflip's ISO bc since they flipped green, their opinions r 100% valid

This is true, doesn’t mean they’ll be right

[Gamma Emerald]

The annie shot is also weird af. I'm assuming scum wanted to get rid of a hydra, but confirming a town slot on a misyeet is dumb. Either that or there may have been more town than expected on that wagon. Impossible to say.

Ythan and Haschel are probably the worst people on the wagon...though I'll admit I'm giving Gamma some leeway because he's a noob and chkflip's warning. Still, their vote is also bad.

Doctor Pepper, I'd like some reads from you.

AGar, I need you to be town here, and I need some help.

WHERE IS MY RECKONER?????

The hell??? I’m not a noob. I’m insulted you think I am actually

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a slight SR on reck

SPICY

let's get into that

Honestly I think there’s reason to suspect some of the old guard players here, VPB mentioned they kill likely being to pop off a hydra, which does point to people like UT who have gone on record saying they dislike hydrae
Though there’s also the fact that’s such a specific suggestion I also consider it possible VPB let loose a bit of nightkill TMI

[Gamma Emerald]

There's a player in this game from 2003 so maybe it's relative.

I just earned an award for outstanding play on my homesite so like
Getting called noob after THAT feels like getting shot in the chest

[Gamma Emerald]

he knew he was going down and he was desperate to prevent anybody from being connected to him.

So you were convinced he was scum, but rather than forcing the day longer to maybe build some of those connections, you hammered before several people have much comment on it at all?

I do like this line of questioning, I don’t know anything about Haschel but I’d guess he’s not one to typically act rashly? He’s more active in like the LSG section which I don’t do anything in really
This is where I’d ask others for info but the people I’d most expect it from are the least likely to provide it

Anyway, I really don’t see why Haschel wouldn’t want the less active people to take stances on chkflip, if he thought chkflip was scum that would be a pretty good way to try and sort some less sortable slots. Could also be that Haschel wanted to provide his inactive buddies some cover by stopping discussion.

[Gamma Emerald]

You mean wifom?

@307, very end of it

Uh no? I tend to have an inclination to tease the actual motives for a nightkill when I’m scum. I could be projecting my own personality but I would assume I’m not the only one who does that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure how anyone expects anyone to have reads worth a damn on page 10 given the current meta heavily favors 100 page day 1's.

I find 100 page day 1s worse for town’s chances than 10 or less page D1s

[Gamma Emerald]

Would you mind restating 307 in different words please?

I think Annie Edison dying points to somebody who dislikes hydras potentially being scum. Fringe chance of VPB having slipped in the true motive.
PEdit: okay then

[Gamma Emerald]

There are legit 3 people in this game who the mod has posted more than. Let that sink in.

Non-low key garbage contribution squad right here:

AGar
Gamma Emerald
brighteningskies
DoctorPepper
tn5421
Ythan

Annie Edison was part of that pool of “posted less than the mod”, which makes me curious why someone opted for that kill.

[Gamma Emerald]

Where is UT hates hydrae info from?

My first game with UT was as a hydra and he was very anti-hydra that game
He also reaffirmed that belief in another game, as well as here just recently

[Gamma Emerald]

his play was newb-town
he was yeeted for being newb-town
thus it is a valid interpretation to state he was yeeted for not being part of the old boys club of old and angry mafia players

It’s honestly funny how wrong this is, I have only been on site for like 4 years, with like only half of that being time with active participation, and I managed to know chkflip was old guard
Though I ALSO understand this because of the fiasco with the coldheartedking account

[Gamma Emerald]

Would you mind restating 307 in different words please?

I think Annie Edison dying points to somebody who dislikes hydras potentially being scum. Fringe chance of VPB having slipped in the true motive.
PEdit: okay then

Can you explain what you're saying about vpb here a little further?

I feel like you’re just not gonna get it again but: in my experience I sometimes want to allude to my actual reasoning for killing someone when Im scum in the main thread, especially when everyone is wrong about it. It’s probably down to an issue of scum guilt/not wanting to lie, I’ve been told IRL that I cannot lie for extended periods of time, and to a certain extent that is true, and that’s why I have that inclination to do that. So yeah thinking about it I’m VERY likely projecting, but I still figured it should be pointed out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: TLDR context for my absence

Work got super busy and also my truck decided to be a yuuuuuge piece of shit when I tried to work on it and I spent multiple nights spending hours underneath it to no avail. It was physically and mentally exhausting so I didn't have much energy to really mafia it up. It's fixed now. Work is still busy but I don't have the other shit to bog me down. Sorry y'all.

184 - This is bad. Explaining the origins of Sunny, in the game

designed

about Sunny, is not IIoA or scum posting. Also this is not who I thought this was soooooo....

Hard to suss out much on the chk wagon as I wasn't really engaged at the time and I can't divorce re-reading the buildup with my knowledge of the flip. It all seems like shit but also chk's posting probably should've been yeeted so I think the flip is 1000% tainting my analysis.

tn was very kinda "look I'm here" without feeling like they're doing much so that's a thought.

DrPep's entrance was not good!

AGar, I need you to be town here, and I need some help.

I'm here bubba, and I'm town.

232 is a scum post!

tn is slightly better so far in D2.

lmao nevermind.

Jfc yall.

Had sudden drop in of the not quite in laws. Will get here eventually...

When is eventually because my patience is getting pretty thin and this is not the AGar I expect.

There is very little in this game and seems like something you could catch up in a solid 30 minutes.

This is fair but I was literally waiting for them to leave so I didn't just rip out my laptop while they were here. I really struggle anymore to do mobile posting, I struggle to focus and keep things straight.

Aaaaanyways.

We should yeet from {DrPepper/Noraa/Tn}

Haschel's hammer looks mildly suspect, but also so does that entire wagon, and I'm guessing in real-time instead of post-hoc it probably looked relatively fine. That wagon sped to yeet status though and it's tough to pull any solid wagon analysis from it because it was all garbo.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

If you had to give a basic read list sorting everyone in the game what would it look like rn? I think I actually saw this from you already but I want to double check

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah see that's the kind of low-effort shit I would expect from scum. Like anyone could have very easily gone "Shit, we're getting perilously close to a hammer w/o a lot of voices chiming in," and simply unvoted. Leaving your vote parked is *also* saying "I am completely fine with this day ending early and no discussion cropping up."

Also trying to frame Chkflip's departure as "he wasn't part of the old boys club" is wildly inaccurate - he posted in a manner that was entirely inflammatory and pretty much asking to eat a yeet. I disagree with giving him that on the fact that that's a helluva bet if you're scum, and I disagree with all of the speed, but it wasn't "yeet the outsider." Especially considering those you are presumably classing as the "old boys club" don't even command half the player list or enough to run a yeet by themselves.

P-Edit: Because I have higher priorities of who I want to yeet than you. But you'd have to do more than ctrl+f'ing your name to understand that.

I think you’re demanding too much of tn. tn had no way to anticipate someone deciding to suddenly hammer the wagon with 0 ceremony to it, the table we have imo should very very rarely if ever have that happen. I’ve also seen people get upset at Y-1 voters who didn’t announce it despite the VC being on the same fucking page. My guess would be they thought everyone was sane enough to read the VC and have enough counting skill to know the would be dropping the hammer.

[Gamma Emerald]

I couldn't have unvoted chk because I didn't vote him in the first place.

I literally wasn't talking about you in reference to unvoting chk, but go off!

Who WERE you talking about? Same thought process I just expressed likely applies there.

[Gamma Emerald]

So, what, are you saying ut and vpb are scum together, killed Annie because ut doesn't like hydrae, and then vpb slipped it? Is that what you're saying??

I’m saying that’s a theory. I’m not acting on that rn, because I think VPB’s actually done a fair amount of towny things and also because that’s a massive reach to actually push that logic rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Shit went down while I was eating dinner eh? I have some other stuff to do and might post some stuff on this later today. AGar nice limpool. Newbies are always good lynchbait as far as I'm concerned ^^

(I'm talking about myself in case someone out there didn't understand)

SIGH

I don’t see this as particularly suspicious but I know someone will and I can’t exactly fault them for that

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually share your scumreads exactly and am vibing on you hard so I'm gonna align my vote but tn still smells. Everyone else but those three and me seems legit.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Wait so you think everyone except for yourself and AGar’s scum pool is “legit”? Why are you not including yourself? Why am I included?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alrighty now imma go thru and read chkflip's ISO bc since they flipped green, their opinions r 100% valid

This is true, doesn’t mean they’ll be right

Not sure how anyone expects anyone to have reads worth a damn on page 10 given the current meta heavily favors 100 page day 1's.

I find 100 page day 1s worse for town’s chances than 10 or less page D1s

his play was newb-town
he was yeeted for being newb-town
thus it is a valid interpretation to state he was yeeted for not being part of the old boys club of old and angry mafia players

It’s honestly funny how wrong this is, I have only been on site for like 4 years, with like only half of that being time with active participation, and I managed to know chkflip was old guard
Though I ALSO understand this because of the fiasco with the coldheartedking account

These are like, the only things I’ve posted I can reasonably see as being called fluff. Everything else that looks remotely fluffy was solicited.

[Gamma Emerald]

So you posted fluff instead of not fluff hmm...

I'm sure you understand that a response made up of, one, examples of fluff, and two, a naked statement that the rest is better, and coming from the subject himself no less, does not leave me satisfied.

I get the stupid “He’S nOt PoStInG cOnTeNt!” line thrown against me a lot, so anything like it tends to draw my ire
Just because I’m not going full Sherlock Holmes doesn’t mean I’m not contributing, and even if I wasn’t actively solving at all, just posting still counts as content.

[Gamma Emerald]

Shit went down while I was eating dinner eh? I have some other stuff to do and might post some stuff on this later today. AGar nice limpool. Newbies are always good lynchbait as far as I'm concerned ^^

(I'm talking about myself in case someone out there didn't understand)

SIGH

I don’t see this as particularly suspicious but I know someone will and I can’t exactly fault them for that

"I know someone will"
but then ur the only one that talks about it.
Alright inform me of why scum!Noraa would choose to say this
oh btw that theory is really a stretch and proposing theories like that isn't that helpful in moving the game forward bc generally they're wrong

I’m sorry I thought at least one of these fogies would jump at that upon seeing it
In the past I’ve seen people utter the idea that calling yourself yeetbait is scummy. It’s not, and that mindset also probably is closely related to the idea that yeetbait cannot be scum, which is also false. Yeetbait just means you’re an easy target, essentially the same as LHF. Sometimes scum is just obviously suspicious.

[Gamma Emerald]

Although the fact you thought I WAS calling you scum when I explicitly said I wasn’t REALLY aays something
And why do my theories factor into anything about that post?
VOTE: Noraa
That’s quite the backlash for something that wasn’t in any way attacking you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Theres literally 78 possible scum teams
(13 choose 2)
The probability of finding the right two scum day 1/2 is very very low imo

This math doesn’t check out at all, even with the super-wrong idea that there are 2 scum, normally there’s 3 in a game this size

[Gamma Emerald]

I requested a sunny avatar and was ignored. Take that as you will.

I will make you one if you keep it a bit longer than the game

If I can get one with a yellow face (so the face color of my character doesn’t change) I’d like that

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo how was I powerlurking Day 1 when I was site inactive enough to get prodded and when I was active the day ended.

That's a huge misrep because one cannot lurk when the game lasted 3 IRL days.

I feel like you're all just justifying the bad wagon yesterday

"I cannot have powerlurked because I lurked but it was a short time of lurking!"

k scum

Anyways, I see you have returned to dipping the fuck outta here. Cool cool cool.

If you had to give a basic read list sorting everyone in the game what would it look like rn? I think I actually saw this from you already but I want to double check

I mean I'm not gonna do that but I will give you that I absolutely do not want to yeet VPB or Haschel today so there's that!

Re, 274, I am absolutely not expecting too much of tn. He's low-effort going after the lhf of the hammer and ignoring the rest of the wagon because it would be harder to make shit up against them.

I couldn't have unvoted chk because I didn't vote him in the first place.

I literally wasn't talking about you in reference to unvoting chk, but go off!

Who WERE you talking about? Same thought process I just expressed likely applies there.

tn was specifically taking pot shots at Haschel for the hammer. I specifically was arguing that everyone voting for chk had an opportunity to unvote if they were uncomfortable with the speed of the wagon, and some of them jumped on when it was closer to the apex and things were already trending towards a short day.

Anyways that was a fun exchange, let's do it again sometime!

Lmao @ 350

I really appreciate the responses you gave me
I think you might’ve been sarcastic about the “fun exchange” but I think it was actually a good one.
Though, I do still think the thought about not expecting people to suddenly hammer applies to most if not all the people here. So trying to say “well you also have to hold the other voters responsible” isn’t really valid, as they can’t really be prepared for someone coming in like that. It’s why you announce hammer most of the time, so anyone can pull back if they feel like it. So no, I think culpability for that hammer lies solely with Haschel.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is your vote based entirely on that one interaction?

I also agree that Noraa’s SR of Reck is terribad, and her reaction when Reck called her on it makes me think she knows that

[Gamma Emerald]

If you're suggesting I pulled this out of my ass here's my last interaction with Gamma, which I'm still waiting on a reply to.

Gamma is your vote based entirely on that one interaction?

I also agree that Noraa’s SR of Reck is terribad, and her reaction when Reck called her on it makes me think she knows that

I don't feel the same way. I'd like to hear more until we get to something that feels real.

I didn’t realize that was something that warranted a reply? It just seems like you don’t and won’t agree with me at that point. Previous interactions with you haven’t really given me any faith in how willing you are to listen to me either. And I don’t think it’s fair to say I’m going after “easy yeetbait” when Reck’s like, the only other person I recall suspecting her like I have, and I’m the only one voting her. Seems a bit like she’s playing the victim here.
Also, I don’t think marathon games are a good barometer for forum mafia skill. I know someone who was actually very strong in the marathon format but not as much when trying out forum mafia.

Side note, why is everyone suspecting Ythan? I don’t exactly see it, and it seems like it could be regarding playstyle but maybe I am missing something. Because the way he’s constantly asking about what I’m saying with no sign of actually attempt to process it is getting old, and is something I could see as a scum move.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you start showing that it’s making a difference then I’ll actually want to explain
I’ll keep trying but I won’t go to great lengths like I was doing before

[Gamma Emerald]

"go to great lengths"

To what say why you placed a vote?

I meant regarding the NK TMI cracktheory

[Gamma Emerald]

It did make a difference, your answers when I asked why you voted Nora turned you from a null read to a scum one.

I didn’t realize that was something that warranted a reply? It just seems like you don’t and won’t agree with me at that point. Previous interactions with you haven’t really given me any faith in how willing you are to listen to me either. And I don’t think it’s fair to say I’m going after “easy yeetbait” when Reck’s like, the only other person I recall suspecting her like I have, and I’m the only one voting her. Seems a bit like she’s playing the victim here.
Also, I don’t think marathon games are a good barometer for forum mafia skill. I know someone who was actually very strong in the marathon format but not as much when trying out forum mafia.

Side note, why is everyone suspecting Ythan? I don’t exactly see it, and it seems like it could be regarding playstyle but maybe I am missing something. Because the way he’s constantly asking about what I’m saying with no sign of actually attempt to process it is getting old, and is something I could see as a scum move.

I'm not playing victim. All I said was that its possible you were setting me up as limbait which duh it's possible. It seems to me more like we have an overly defensive scum!gamma here but I don't have a strong SR quite yet. The uh next part doesn't make sense unless you typoed and meant to say "Why isn't everyone suspecting ...."

I hate to go back on myself like this, but that post when considered with you saying you were yeetbait before seems like you’re using that as a crutch to not have to actually defend yourself, instead trying to make me the bad guy.
Also don’t call me overdefensive after you read the complete opposite intent of one of my posts that was saying something you posted wasn’t scummy, albeit I’m thinking the reverse of that now, but only after further evidence.

As for the Ythan portion I recalled a few people suggesting Ythan as scum, and I’m just concerned because while my hunch is it’s all playstyle-related, I’ve also not been impressed by Ythan myself so I’m interested in hearing them out.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm off to bed for the night. Gamma you've caught my full attention. Congrats now u definitely won't be left out of the day 2 limpool on my end

Oh what a nightmare!

[Gamma Emerald]

Shit went down while I was eating dinner eh? I have some other stuff to do and might post some stuff on this later today. AGar nice limpool. Newbies are always good lynchbait as far as I'm concerned ^^

(I'm talking about myself in case someone out there didn't understand)

SIGH

I don’t see this as particularly suspicious but I know someone will and I can’t exactly fault them for that

"I know someone will"
but then ur the only one that talks about it.
Alright inform me of why scum!Noraa would choose to say this
oh btw that theory is really a stretch and proposing theories like that isn't that helpful in moving the game forward bc generally they're wrong

I EXPLICITLY said “I don’t think this is really scummy” and yet Noraa is acting like I do. It looks to me like she barely if at all read my post, and got riled up about me calling her out (tangential, but the original thought was I’ve seen people push others that have called themselves yeetbait, Id never seen the actual logic ever quantified but I’d assume it’s that victim card I just called out, I don’t think that’s a strong enough point without further evidence so I don’t think someone just calling themselves yeetbait is scummy without further indication there was some scum motivation to it). In addition BSkies pointed out a forced town vibe I also kinda picked up. The part about “proposing likely wrong theories being unhelpful” while potentially true, it feels shoehorned in there to the point it looks like scum trying to go “yup upstanding Townie here saying upstanding Townie thing”

would. you. care. to. elaborate. on. your. scumread. on. reck?

IIoa and their tone seems ... idk the best I can describe it is fake. just some gut scum pings that are getting me a SR

real quick -- show me what posts I've made that are IIOA

Bonus challenge: you may not use the giant post I made explaining the origins of Sunny that was specifically requested by multiple people in this game.

There wasn't any other IIoa. That reason was thrown in. The main reason is just the tone is off. It doesn't particularly matter tbh. If ur scum, I'm sure I'll see more problems soon enough. If ur not, then my gut's wrong. I think I haven't heard even close to as much as I would like to hear from just about everyone here to really put some good reads together so I will be waiting a bit before voting and putting a full on read together.

Now to move to this point. Noraa gave the initial reasoning for suspecting Reck of “IIoA and tone”. Upon Reck questioning the IIoA point and cutting out the obvious wall of flavor background that was solicited, Noraa backpedals about that point, saying it was “thrown in”, and proceeds to write a full paragraph that amounts to what looks like acknowledging the fact the Reck read was unfounded, what with the “if I’m right Im sure I’ll see more to indicate that”. That tells me Noraa is perfectly fine trying to have a read be retroactively justified.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd rather stay where I'm at but consider this a sorta blank check for the tn wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh, two wagons hm.
Noraa vs Tn5421 I'd rather rather go with Noraa because I haven't had enough from tn to decide either way and I did get some scumreads from Noraa. Ehhhh VOTE: Noraa


Gamma is as previously a bit cagey when replying but that could just be a Gamma thing rather than a scum thing theoretically, I'll hold my judgement for now.
Reck seems a bit prone to going with what's been said but to be fair the target was Noraa who previously scumread him so possibly not much there.
VP is again a bit of a leader, not sure how I feel about it but I did get townreads from him earlier. Hopefully a town leader then.

Did you ask me anything? I don’t really remember such, but it kinda sounds like you did

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: tn5421

NOPE

[Gamma Emerald]

Your return + Noraa vote just looked way too convenient pal

[Gamma Emerald]

I was already voting you though...
I think your attempt to read into that was towny tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Ythan might be town here. Reckoner stocks on the decline?

(Note to self: Make an alt of the "Mad Money" guy and only talk about other scummers as stock options to be bought or sold.)

Not to dissuade you from that but I know someone did it once before

[Gamma Emerald]

Your return + Noraa vote just looked way too convenient pal

I mean, haven't all your votes liked convenient?

Not today I reckon

[Gamma Emerald]

I was the first person to vote Noraa lolwut

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s DrP at rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: DrP
he was pretty muted in Cards of Destiny but this is a whole 'nother level

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: DrP
he was pretty muted in Cards of Destiny but this is a whole 'nother level

You saying this is scum meta for him?

Not like that, more just saying this is different than a specific game, I tend to use sorta anecdotal points like that a lot, I think it's honestly a bad way to play but idk how else to do so

[Gamma Emerald]

as I said I don't like it either, I just have never managed to shake the habit

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm good for tn or DrP, but will stick with DrP until someone fills that slot and does things

[Gamma Emerald]

i'd really prefer not to full claim

p.edit: i 100% absolutely did not visit ythan last night so that's wild

yes i blocked n1. VPB.

well, this isn't a bastard game to my knowledge so you *did* visit Ythan last night. whether that is because of wacky hijinks or because you're a mafia roleblocker is what is up for discussion here.

also: I also tracked you N1 and my role was blocked. you can obviously see why your claim of roleblocker here is... concerning.... to me.

PEdit: you not fullclaiming is obviously fine with me because I explicitly asked you not to do it unless it explains why I tracked you to two different players last night. you claim that it doesn't so.... no worries.

Is it possible to have two role blockers in a mini theme game? Also are there any roles that can target more than one person besides mafia ofc cuz those can always multitask?

Is it possible to have two roleblockers in a mini theme game?

yes. there are a lot of different ways this could play out. multiple x-shot roles. 1 town and 1 scum rb. some kind of JoaT that has roleblocker shots. I'm specifically not saying "well reck has to be scum here" because there are many possibilities to explain why I have the results I have.

Also are there any roles that can target more than one person besides mafia ofc cuz those can always multitask?

This is a theme game, so literally anything is possible within the confines of "Is this bastard modding or not?". One of our flipped roles, bus driver, could be tracked as targeting two players depending on how the role PM is worded, for instance.

Also, mafia cannot always multitask. They can in this game, per the rules post. But, you should not assume that mafia can multitask in a game that does not say explicitly one way or the other.

The only role where targeting multiple people is built into it is bus driver, and we already had a town bus driver flip
So like, I’m very interested in how Reck intends to explain being seen visiting two people

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone prevented my action from resolving on Reck n1. If it had he would know my role. I think the most likely explanation is that Reck is lying scum and blocked me n1 right after I outed myself as not vanilla.

Thoughts?

I think I have a good idea what you’re insinuating ythan

[Gamma Emerald]

So like, I’m very interested in how Reck intends to explain being seen visiting two people

i literally cannot

And yet you don’t think UT is scum, based on what you just said???
Like, if there’s no explanation on your end for having two actions show up, then it becomes a 1v1

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we’re at a point where massclaim might be the best course of action

[Gamma Emerald]

things i know to be true:

1. ut isnt lying about being a tracker. could be town or scum tracker.
2. haschel seems to be able to confirm ythan's role as giving masks? could be town or scum though
3. vpb is confirmed town unless haschel is going for some kinda mega big dick scum play w/ his partner (@vpb- u know HOW haschel confirmed you as town then?)
4. there is a 2nd manipulation role in addition to the town bus driver


i think that's all the info i can gleam. so that puts us in a setup of:

VT x3 [dead]
Town 2-Shot Bus Driver [dead]
Town ? modconfirmable role [vpb]
Town ? Roleblocker? [reck]

Tracker [ut]
Mask Giver? [ythan]
Watcher? [haschel]

4 unknowns?
? [gamma]
? [skies]
? [duppin]
? [noraa]

conjecture time: putting on my tin foil hat, i think symmetric powers are likely

so i believe scum has some kind of manipulation to mirror the bus driver
i would wager strongly one of the tracker/watcher is probably scum
dunno what the third scum would be at this point. poss. another rb

Eh maybe scratch that, this seems to make things decently clear

[Gamma Emerald]

I got a PM after N1 giving me mod confirmation that you were town, and then I got the exact same PM last night.

Ok. What are your thoughts about reck here?

Oh, UT claiming to see Reck visit two targets is such a bizarre lie I believe it, and Reck's flailing reads less like trying to figure out what's going on and more like flailing to find any way out. I see no (feasible) scenario where we don't eliminate him today.

Give me a few hours and I'll dive in.

This is where I’m at rn too

[Gamma Emerald]

Your initial response didn’t seem to indicate you felt the way you are saying you are feeling

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant when it comes to being questioned about having two actions
If you really suspected interference I’d expect that to translate into how you’re reacting to being pressed on that, but I’m not seeing it

[Gamma Emerald]

not scum

/shrug

calling my shot it's a scumteam of ythan/skies/gamma

really

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, so let's entertain this for a minute. Who is your best guess at the full scum team reck?

great question. i'd probably wager 2 of the unrevealeds and then one of the claimed roles just based on probability. the extra manipulator role has to be something unclaimed since everything else is at least ACTION confirmed, but not alignment confirmed

so 2 of {gamma, skies, duppin, noraa} and 1 of {ut, ythan, haschel}

out of those, gun to my head, dont think it's gamma or ut.

[Gamma Emerald]

we dont have to massclaim for me to claim by the way, but if i am to claim id prefer for Gamma to claim first. I understand this might make my claim less trustworthy but there is a very specific reason id prefer to do it in that order

I don't really know why you want me to go first but I have no objection if going forward with those things

VOTE: Reck
His reads aren't lining up and I don't trust how he handled UT's claim against him

[Gamma Emerald]

I think unless Skies can prove Reck is scum, we should definitely try to lim someone that hasn't claimed a pr role

That logic is acceptable mostly on D1, not so much D3.

[Gamma Emerald]

lol. my reads are evolving as people post. i literally said "gun to my head" if i had to choose

i see your reading comprehension is shit tho

both of those reads were gun-to-head
So why do I magically slide into your suspicions after I start calling you out?

[Gamma Emerald]

In all of my finished games that I was scum, we were allowed to have one person submit all night actions even the other persons. Ig its in case one of the scums is vla or something and they r the rolecop, the scum team doesn't just not get a rolecop bc their partners out.

Yeah that’s the standard in most games I’ve played as well, but speaking objectively, I think it’s a bit unfair, as Town roles never get that sort of safety net

[Gamma Emerald]

then for sure the only lie is the two targets, which makes me feel the same from a mechanics standpoint but worse from a behavioral one.

ugh

I kinda wanna see you talk about this, but it could wait til D4

[Gamma Emerald]

If Reck flips scum I think we definitely need to look at BSkies tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

Let BSkies answer VPB’s question first.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let BSkies answer VPB’s question first.

This was @Noraa
@UT I want you to break down what you are talking about regarding mechanics vs. behavior and how those are impacted by the knowledge of the two actions being the only inconsistency (lie I think is the wrong word in that scenario)

[Gamma Emerald]

Welp.

Vote Reck

[Gamma Emerald]

alright so VP and ythan are confirmed town, i am pretty confident that Gamma is town.
For some reason I thought haschel would be mechanically cleared if reck flipped red but i realised that wasnt.

pretty sure its just noora and skies at this point though

Pretty sure it’s just between Noraa skies and Haschel anyway
Reck was seriously angling for a speedy end to the day

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: skies
There’s more directly implicating him rn I’d say

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the question is “how confident are we that we can yeet scum today?” If we think we can do it, massclaim probably isn’t needed. If not, better to do it now instead of in YeLo.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm slightly more inclined to think Gamma personlly than Haschel because Gamma pushed more for sus on people compared with Haschel's play of just gathering info and questioning in a fairly
neutral way.

Haschel's "neutral play" has also involved multiple quickhammers and just some shiftiness in general

[Gamma Emerald]

I suppose i might as well just claim as i am not sure sitting on my claim really matters. I also don't really think it matters whether me or gamma claims first at this point because if he is scum then he should be able to conclude what my read on him is related to i think

i am a motion detector:

n1: ythan - motion detected
n2: gamma - no motion
n3: gamma - no motion

so initially thought gamma was more likely to be town for not doing anything n2 but after him not doing anything n3 either I feel pretty confident about him being town actually.
I don't want to go too wifom on this, but in my opinion i just think it seems logical for mafia to use gamma as the kill after reck flipped assuming one of skies and noora is the other mafia given they were obvious tpr targets.
the only plausibile possibility i can really see if haschel is scum and they used him to do the kill instead i guess, but yeah only possible teammate i can really see for Gamma is haschel but I honestly just think Gamma is town

so we have UT tracker, duppins MD, and ythan watcher(?), along with annie bus driver and VPB FN (idr if this was confirmed but it's almost certainly the case even if not)
tbh that makes sense with RB, that generally calls for a good amount of power, but Haschel also claims to have a PR
I think town having driver probably means scum have 1 additional PR at least, but I'm not always the best judge of such things

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: skies
There’s more directly implicating him rn I’d say

I'd like you to show your work on this one. What are the points you see directly implicating each of them?

skies was being directly questioned when Reck started going for a fast end. I think noraa's Reck push D2 was still bad but I also think the MO there is a bit questionable if they're both scum. What do they hope to gain with that?

[Gamma Emerald]

imo let's just massclaim since Haschel already hinted at having a PR
I'm lightpost face sunny, VT

[Gamma Emerald]

Also you claimed a sunny role which doesn't give much actual info arguably it's just a flavour title if you want to claim you should consider including what the role actually does.

I mean, I did this too

[Gamma Emerald]

hrm

[Gamma Emerald]

mine is 22 seconds into the video bskies posted

[Gamma Emerald]

Plus doctor just doesn’t fit into the setup at all, if any role is an odd one out, it’s that one

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda just felt like my input wasn't needed
I agree that doctor seems like odd one out, as for the idea of one of voyeur/MD being a claim by scum, if both roles are real I'd predict voyeur being scum more often than the motion detector, but imo both can be town as long as the doctor claim isn't town.

[Gamma Emerald]

As for should we yeet skies, I'm not sure.
Again I just feel like they haven't been paying attention to the thread because they are busy.
The saving vp thing is weird bc I feel like even my stupid ass would save UT if I was doctor. Like fuck scums if they have a role blocker or shit but I'm saving UT no matter what cuz he's very clearly the nk.

the scum rb also flipped already lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

Cant scums have more than one of one role? I heard town could have two of one role so I assumed that scums could also have two of one role?

potentially, but two RBs is just not very likely at all

Cant scums have more than one of one role? I heard town could have two of one role so I assumed that scums could also have two of one role?

For sure. I just finished a scum game where most of the scum team were Strongmen.

Granted, our roles meant basically nothing, as opposed to multiple role blockers here

I remember a normal where all the scum were strongmen. The town had a loyal cop, universal backup, and rolecop with no protectives, with the idea that the strongman role was meant as a true guilty for the rolecop, rather than any kill assurance

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is just being gamma

:/

[Gamma Emerald]

generally the more under-pressure scum tend to perform the kill in my experience, so if there is a tracker/watcher guilty it's not on one of your deepwolves
The issue with that is Reck was honestly one of the MOST trusted players around that time, so something probably warped that. My inclination would be a newer player pushed a play that was non-standard because I remember being strongarmed by a less skilled scumbuddy to make a suboptimal nightkill.

[Gamma Emerald]

skies has had a chance to defend himself already.

[Gamma Emerald]

Or he's just given up

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh idk why but I feel like I play better as lone scum, or knowing I'm the one who's likely going to endgame

[Gamma Emerald]

can we yeet skies now btw? this is mostly towards VPB

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm still the only one voting skies rn right?

[Gamma Emerald]

duppin plz vote skies

[Gamma Emerald]

we dont have to massclaim for me to claim by the way, but if i am to claim id prefer for Gamma to claim first. I understand this might make my claim less trustworthy but there is a very specific reason id prefer to do it in that order

I don't really know why you want me to go first but I have no objection if going forward with those things

VOTE: Reck
His reads aren't lining up and I don't trust how he handled UT's claim against him

Okay the link in the VPB post didn’t work so I had to find this myself. I actually was fine with going first (at least between me and duppin, who was asking me to claim before him specifically). I just wasn’t sure what he was indicating, and didn’t want to pry.

[Gamma Emerald]

duppin I expect you know what must be done if skies flips scum, yes?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m kinda curious about something
Btw I’d prefer duppin claim his action first

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I’d rather wait to vocalize my team guess until after actions are known, because I don’t want my speculation to get wrinkled by that

[Gamma Emerald]

actually theres no real reason for me not to claim my result first since noraa already seems to have claimed VP visited her

For clarification, your claim is that you targeted Noraa?

yes i targeted noraa and got motion detected

Okay I think duppin at least is genuine here. The sensible MD action last night was to check a VT. Tbh at this point I’m willing to make my move but in interest of equitable opportunity, will give Haschel a chance to reveal result

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay no I’ll just say it, Ythan gave me a mask last night, which is super-questionable with an MD present, except for Ythan being practically confirmed town, and I also don’t have any clue why there was no kill because scum have multitasking
I honestly have 0 idea what the hell is going on right now.

[Gamma Emerald]

The sensible MD action last night was to check a VT.

Can you explain this?

As long as the other PRs know to stay away (which they clearly did not) MD can possibly get a guilty from a motion detected result by doing that

[Gamma Emerald]

Yup

[Gamma Emerald]

If Haschel is legitimately counterclaiming duppin here I’m definitely inclined to vote Haschel here. duppin’s role has limited usage but definitely can help town, voyeur meanwhile doesn’t seem like a town role in this setup, and I also kinda dislike Haschel’s usage of it

[Gamma Emerald]

Duppin also kinda sussed me D3, I think the optics there a bit weird for potential partners?

[Gamma Emerald]

The issue with the no kill is OP says scum have multitasking so the two reasonable explanations I can think of (no multitasking and the potential to be seen by an investigative) make no sense, at least from my viewpoint as the only valid reason for the latter to be a thing is for the scum to be in the VT claims, which I know it’s not.
I actually am gonna have to go and look at something else before drawing any real conclusions, because there’s one possibility for the no-kill that while a super-fringe possibility by gamestate, could still be possible.

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I missing something or did they not kill because it's xylo regardless and there's a motion detector.

Again that doesn’t check out ime because unless the team is me and Noraa (which it cannot be FMPOV) scum have a claimed PR and can have them kill, and even if they don’t act it’s still easy to explain why motion was seen. That’s why I tried to signal duppin to take a specific action if skies flipped scum: I wanted him to check between me and Noraa.

[Gamma Emerald]

scum to be in the VT claims, which I know it’s not.

You know that huh.

I meant EXCLUSIVELY in the VT claims. Just because you’re confirmed Town doesn’t give you a pass to abuse linguistics.

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you saying because Noraa looked like scum with skies and skies was Town, you don’t think Noraa is scum? That’s just bad logic

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I don’t expect to be able to do much at this point, I’m in a bad spot for irl interfering with ability to play and it won’t get better soon, so honestly I’d rather we get on with whatever decision we’re gonna make

[Gamma Emerald]

If gamma was town(this means duppin/haschel is the solve), he would immediately OMGUS me bc from his perspective it would look like scum!Noraa is getting a mislim on him. Cuz I'm pretty sure? that gamma also agrees that duppin/haschel isnt the solve. Idk but I feel like if I was in town!gamma's position(assuming the slot is town which btw I DO NOT believe is true), I would not stay silent and just let everyone sus me. In fact, I'd be very very mad if I was getting sussed like this as town and write a huge huge wall case on why the scum isnt me. I just feel like the reaction we r getting from gamma rn r not townie at all :/

Except I’m not sure which 1v1 is better to lim in rn. If I thought me vs. you was I would be pushing you, but imo duppin vs. Haschel seems like the better choice, because I at least have a mechanical reasoning there instead of just what amount to a he-said she-said.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a hard time thinking gamma = noraa here.

Noraa is actually working here it seems. If she's scum, it's pretty good scum play.

You are being extremely basic rn and the fact you’re conftown just makes me hate you for it because I can’t write it off as “he just scum”.
Effort != alignment, ever, except maybe in fringe cases, this not being one of them. Both alignments have reason to try.

[Gamma Emerald]

I told u that my logic that u r more town than haschel but u r more likely with gamma drove me insane. why tf is this scum indicative?

because from my point of view you are claiming
a) that you are 100% sure Gamma is scum
b) that Gamma and Haschel are not scumbuddies

this means whether intentional or not that the team you are pushing is me and Gamma - which is perfectly reasonable in itself, however it is the fact that you stated that you could not see Gamma and Haschel being together that it is issue. The issue is not that you think me and Gamma are more likely to be together due to my claim

Where/how did Noraa say this, because it’s a pretty solid point for it being Noraa/Haschel, Noraa would be trying to lim me but also trying to avoid putting herself in a position to need to bus without looking like she’s defending her buddy.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Haschel
I don’t have time to sit and waste away while trying to figure things out to the finest detail. I think voyeur is a more scum role than MD in this setup. I can explain why later possibly, but I stand by that pretty firmly

[Gamma Emerald]

Well that’s not happening until I wake up tomorrow at the very least @Ythan

[Gamma Emerald]

will certainly hammer either one of them if the opportunity arises. I

You cheeky bastard

Did haschel hammer every single wagon this game? :O

honestly I kinda wanna SR that with the fact I was very rich in hammer opportunities in my last offsite scumgame, I just missed a lot due to not being on in time (either for deadline or someone else doing it).

[Gamma Emerald]

The problem is that his opinion sounds exactly like mine. Like EXACTLY. If basically feels word for word copy pasted. I want to say that's town indicative cuz its exactly how I'm thinking but I'm also feeling like he just took my idea and stated the exact same thing from his perspective to get towncred :/

I

also

said it, and I'm curious at what point you did because I don't remember it but I've also skipped several recent pages, so I kinda suspect you said it after I did but can't be certain

[Gamma Emerald]

@VP I'd really like to know what the full logic you're working with is, because I really don't understand why the skies flip makes Noraa town, and why you're so obsessed with targeting me. You've pretty much singularly expressed interest in eliminating me, which is not a town mindset so I'm baffled how it's the one you have, seeing as you're confirmed town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Norra - Her interactions with Reck were pretty suspicious, but I've been having more townie vibes today. Can't really decide where she lands on my meter. If skies flips scum, it might be less likely Noraa is. If she were, that would put all the scum on the TN wagon D2, which I find unlikely. It stinks we don't have anything off of jankofan D1 to help, but oh well.

Gamma - Feels fairly town to me, though could be hard bussing his buddies? Post 1024 where he says to look at skies if Reck flips red is like prescient almost, so that's tripping me out. Especially since I don't think people had very strong scum reads on skies at that time? I can sort of see where he was coming from though. Also, in post 964, Gamma says he wouldn't want to go first in massclaim, even though he claimed VT and then was the first to mass claim today....weird. Gamma, feel free to answer both of these points before today ends if you're around.

okay yeah actually VP your reads rn don't line up at all with what you seem to have been thinking prior? Where is the continuity of your thought process my dude?
btw I'm "calling attention" to VP because I don't know what the fuck his thinking is and if he doesn't fix it he's gonna throw. I wanted to conserve a bit of energy by not worrying too much about this game over the 10 other ones I have going on but at this point I think the burden is gonna have to fall on me to actually make sure this ends up a town win.

[Gamma Emerald]

please try to do it before 7:30 as that's when I expect my ability to respond to fall off

[Gamma Emerald]

please try to do it before 7:30 as that's when I expect my ability to respond to fall off

What timezone? I'm starting now. Your primary question is how I'm arriving at you as possibly the best yeet today? What else can I answer?

Walk me through the evolution of your Noraa read from when you posted your eod4 list to now

[Gamma Emerald]

@VP I'd really like to know what the full logic you're working with is, because I really don't understand why the skies flip makes Noraa town, and why you're so obsessed with targeting me. You've pretty much singularly expressed interest in eliminating me, which is not a town mindset so I'm baffled how it's the one you have, seeing as you're confirmed town.

OK, hopefully you're still around, but here is a quick overview of how I'm arriving at you.

Yesterday, I did think skies + Noraa made logical sense in terms of a buddy pair. Their play around each other was not very aggressive and Noraa was defending skies pretty hard before his flip. That alone doesn't make her town, but if you reread that part of the day, you could interpret it as town having second thoughts.

Then today, Noraa opens the day with a pretty extensive analysis of the game state that oozes town. She thoroughly evaluates you, duppin and Haschel, and arrives at the very logical conclusion that you have to be scum since those two are SUPER unlikely to be buddies. It's a perspective that screams town mentality.

Last, Noraa has continued to engage today and try to sort the game. You can see this in her agonizing over duppin/Haschel and which one is scum out of them.

The reason I'm focusing on you as the yeet is that all makes sense. I agree that you're the common denominator, and you're not exactly doing anything to disprove that. Saying me suspecting you is "not a town mindset" is about the worst argument I've heard in awhile. The burden isn't on me today, and I said at the start of the day that I'm not going to be the only person solving the game today.

Please tell me the logical team pairing from your perspective.

Honestly there's not a whole lot of deep thought to who I think the team is. Noraa is known scum to me rn, and I think Haschel's role is scummier. I think the core of the problem here is you're making it out like effort is something that indicates alignment, for Noraa in particular, but you also seem to be putting out the value judgment that my work is less than Noraa's so I, like, deserve to lose/die. That's not very sensible or fair imo. Both alignments have reason to effort, and to suggest I should lose or be taken out because I'm not trying as hard as Noraa is honestly super unkind to my circumstances. I had been bracing myself for a reduction in activity but it recently got harshly compounded, so I REALLY cannot put in nearly as much effort as Noraa has. You're essentially saying I should lose for having a life.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I don’t really have the time to explain at this point, due to my IRL circumstances. Or at least, not in the same style Noraa does.

As for the night action evaluation in 1485 that actually seems decent. I’ll wait for the MD result side before trying to do anything heavy with it, though the part about Haschel’s actions not providing much info is pretty much the play aspect of why I think the claim is a scum one vs. a town one. In addition I think it’s more designed to be a scum PR vs. a town one based on the roles we have.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm.
Haschel, why did you target Noraa of all players N4?

[Gamma Emerald]

That doesn’t check out to me. If you were targeting consistently you really should have targeted VPB for the same reason you targeted UT. But I suspect you targeted Noraa to confound duppin if he chose to MD Noraa, and in addition while targeting UT in the case of a kill and protect action showing up would provide decent benefit to town, it would provide SIGNIFICANT benefit to scum, as they know there’s a protective in the midst that they need to take out.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m saying that makes the most sense to me
If it’s duppin and Noraa, I think the more sensible play is maybe try to force a potential view of Noraa being Town with a check on her, assuming the no-kill was intended. While writing this I did remember the leading wagons D2 were duppin’s predecessor, Noraa, and tn, so I’m curious who took what stance there
Also duppin action N4 checks out as “the right thing to do”, which I said earlier and tried to hint at D4

[Gamma Emerald]

Why does that worry you?
If we’re both scum there’s no chance of a quickhammer, right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I think if you want to try to decide between me and Noraa our mindsets are very lucrative to look at. Noraa is trying to push the obvious answer of “it’s not me so it’s Gamma” while I’ve been trying to suss out the best path, which I believe is to vote between duppin/Haschel despite the fact Noraa is confirmed scum to me.

Also with six it takes four for a yeet to happen, not three

[Gamma Emerald]

I've thought about what town!gamma would do so many times with so many different possibilities ... none of which are what he is currently doing. Im 100000000000% sold on gamma scum. There is no doubt left in my mind on this whatsoever. Literally none zero nada nulch.

Why would you have to even think about it? Once Haschel and duppin started counterclaiming each other it became clear 1 was between us.

[Gamma Emerald]

But that means the setup is
FN
Tracker
Doctor
2shot bus driver
Mask vendor
5 VTs
vs. scum RB and presumably scum MD and voyeur, one possibly being a fakeclaim

That seems bit unbalanced imo, what with scum having 1 to 2 investigatives and a RB

[Gamma Emerald]

But that means the setup is
FN
Tracker
Doctor
2shot bus driver
Mask vendor
5 VTs
vs. scum RB and presumably scum MD and voyeur, one possibly being a fakeclaim

That seems bit unbalanced imo, what with scum having 1 to 2 investigatives and a RB

@1537

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol I was having fun in this game until just now

im sorry ;(

it must be tough having to decide knowing that ur one click away from destroying town. I sincerely hope we get scum!gamma today bc my opinion on haschel/duppin has wavered too much for me to be anywhere near confident limming there and honestly I'd be really stressed limming there today.

this is rather gross, it feels like she's trying to seed fear into into VP's mind. Don't let the Noraa Seed in!

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact Noraa doesn't know that is a huge townslip

No it's really not.

I feel like duppin tried to cue me in earlier cuz I kept saying that two scums with quick fingers could hammer but he was like no

Yeah sure let's just wipe away the fact I STRAIGHT UP SAID IT IN PLAIN WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tbh I think if you want to try to decide between me and Noraa our mindsets are very lucrative to look at. Noraa is trying to push the obvious answer of “it’s not me so it’s Gamma” while I’ve been trying to suss out the best path, which I believe is to vote between duppin/Haschel despite the fact Noraa is confirmed scum to me.

Also with six it takes four for a yeet to happen, not three

MCFLY?!??!!??

[Gamma Emerald]

@VPB no I'm not but I don't like being swept off like that. I don't want to let it become a bigger problem.

btw McFly is a reference to Back to the Future

[Gamma Emerald]

I think she only said that because she's new. It has nothing to do with alignment, as I said. Now that you bring in the no-kill, I'm curious where that would slide into the conversation.

[Gamma Emerald]

that makes sense, but like, I also think you hit a key vein of why they might overlook that as well: if the sole reason they decided to do it was to avoid giving a solid indication of who might be right/wrong, and/or if they thought they could sway the person who they would have otherwise killed. I would bet dollars to donuts (I don't understand why that's a phrase tbh) that you would have been the kill if one happened, VPB. Who stands to gain in the scenarios I suggested? Noraa. This is where the effort has an actual scum logic to it. I imagine Noraa tried to put everything she had into one Hail Mary push to make everyone doubt themselves on her. And it worked on me, for a time. I was entertaining thoughts that were honestly rather blasphemous that I'd rather not say them without cause.

[Gamma Emerald]

Haschel, it's kind of weird you don't want to yeet the confirmed scum from your perspective.

I do; I just acknowledge that it's a coinflip for the rest of you. From my perspective Duppin is 100% scum and Gamma is probably 85%, but from everyone else's then Duppin is 50%, I am 50%, and Gamma is still 85%.

Incidentally Duppin trying to shift things onto Noraa using a single game's meta is scummy as fuck. Not only is any cherrypicked meta argument worthless to other players, but using a small sample size is disingenuous.

These percentages are complete bunk lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh, I think you misinterpreted what the percentages were indicating

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve genuinely fought with my scum buddies before, it’s perfectly reasonable to think it might happen here between Reck and Noraa

[Gamma Emerald]

sighhh

[Gamma Emerald]

Really how the fuck is a SIGH scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

That wall and the way she reacted to the kill look very forced, she’s trying to force a fake townslip here. That’s all I can muster today.

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s more but I’m not focusing on this game yet

[Gamma Emerald]

At least it’s over.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn’t even apathetic I just couldn’t fucking compete with master of the wall Noraa over there
When someone is being townread for such a stupid reason as “they’re being more active than the other person” how the actual fuck am I supposed to fight that?

[Gamma Emerald]

You did fine Noraa

[Gamma Emerald]

I was probably the first town to FoS Noraa

[Gamma Emerald]

That was @UT

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn’t even apathetic I just couldn’t fucking compete with master of the wall Noraa over there
When someone is being townread for such a stupid reason as “they’re being more active than the other person” how the actual fuck am I supposed to fight that?

Getting mad that people don't assume you're town is not really a winning strategy.

I mean, that applies to several people in this game.

That’s not why I was mad. I was mad you were calling Noraa town something that a) isn’t valid and b) I could never match. You made the game a scum win the moment you valued activity over genuine solving.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw

I’m keeping this avatar for probably a while, it looks so good because of how it completely changes the mood of it

[Gamma Emerald]

Can I point out Noraa posted AN ENTIRE ISO PAGE during the D5/D6 stretch?
Yeah VP, you really need to rethink how much you’re valuing what you value.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well Ythan was really hard to get ahold of and you were tuned out for me
I just want to know what the hell I was supposed to do. I’ve accepted the outcome beyond that.

[Gamma Emerald]

So I essentially needed to work with you more, VP

[Gamma Emerald]

when will the scum PT be released btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol the no kill was a mistake. Hilarious.

of course

BTW I won't talk too much on it here but I just realized I've ALWAYS had trouble dealing with people like Noraa, ever since my very first game on this site.

[Gamma Emerald]

A better statement to use is “Noraa can fake townslips, but doesn’t always do it” I think