One Night Stand [Game Over]

[Ahsoka]

rawr

[Ahsoka]

No, that's me.

Now who should I tunnel?

[Ahsoka]

Game's boring, wagon me so I can catch the scum who vote me and the ones that don't.

[Ahsoka]

Who said I was afraid?

[Ahsoka]

I care more about who people think I should tunnel rather than who I should tunnel.

I'm basically just trying to force people to take some type of action so I can read them.

Pretty sure that's like completely blatant in my posts.

Hopkirk seems fake. First ping.

[Ahsoka]

I will devour you.

You will not.

[Ahsoka]

Game's boring, wagon me so I can catch the scum who vote me and the ones that don't.

Hey pick someone to tunnel yourself. Why are you so afraid to start a tunnel on someone random of your choice like for example morning tweet?

Why u even asking us?!?

This is the fakeness.

Who said I was afraid?

This is a question I asked that you ignored.

[Ahsoka]

Ah, I thought you might be refering to the spewing of molten rage that I do when anyone dares suspect me. I'm not angry with Ahsoka yet, but they should still be made of fear.

Now why are you on my leg instead of on infinity soldier?

Why should I fear you? The only thing that will happen is if you are scum here, then you pushing me will allow me to see where you and your scummates will be positioning themselves.

I can handle a molten rage; I have the force and two white light sabers.

[Ahsoka]

Hopkirk is now trying to threaten a push on me because I pointed out their post seemed fake when it was merely a noting of my first scum ping. 1 scum ping, and you seem to be getting overdefensive over it.

Also "I'm basically just trying to force people to take some type of action so I can read them." by me, is going to hold up very well.

[Ahsoka]

Come on ahsoka. Point out the fakeness. I'm calling you out on this. Show me your pathetic words so that I may use them to evicerate you.

Look at the choice of words here; they specifically chose to say they were calling me out. In actuality, I called them out on being fake. Them asking me to point out the fakeness when they only had 1 post there I was referring to, alongside turning the "Calling out" is another scum ping.

[Ahsoka]

You can't beat me in a swordfight, Hopkirk.

[Ahsoka]

I'm just seeing how you respond to whatever. I'm not putting too much thought into what I'm saying, moreso watching how you respond and twist things. It's page 4.

[Ahsoka]

I'm just seeing how you respond to whatever. I'm not putting too much thought into what I'm saying, moreso watching how you respond and twist things. It's page 4.

didn't age well, page 5 now.

[Ahsoka]

I actually left the jedi order, so I am no longer scum.

Noting of Hopkirk trying to lighthearted their way out of this fight.

[Ahsoka]

Save me from what?

Wanna see a trick?

VOTE: Hopkirk

Now he has to either sit there with my vote on him, or OMGUS me back. Either way, both will be telling.

[Ahsoka]

I actually left the jedi order, so I am no longer scum.

Noting of Hopkirk trying to lighthearted their way out of this fight.

To make my sixth post in this exchange, one I've been driving and started, how about you stick to something resembling a real narrative

Nah, I don't need to. I'm not scum.

I'll do things on my own time, as I did here.

[Ahsoka]

Full disclosure, I'm Flavor Leaf, so that post is absolutely not going to work.

[Ahsoka]

I'm not secret.

[Ahsoka]

I'm in 4 games on this account. It's already been outed. Some players in this game already know.

I'm just here to point out the poor discrediting you're doing.

You're doing it in a manner where you can back off and easily defend as joking, shit posting, but you're trying to gain control over the game in an extreme lighthearted way, but you are pushing an agenda.

You're trying to get people to vote Infinity, correct?

[Ahsoka]

I don't care about secret, I'm playtesting some new playstyles is all.

I believe Hopkirk is doing a "charm the game" scum play right now. It's not too bad, but it's incredibly scum motivated. Page 5, I don't have a clear enough case, and he knows it, but I'm happy pushing this for a bit, see if he digs himself into a deeper hole.

Regardless, watching him play in a block cell will be interesting to see what happens around us, rather than between us.

[Ahsoka]

that's a lot of words that don't really mean anything

eh, they do. Guess you just can't understand it.

[Ahsoka]

If anything, I feel that's the sentence that meant the most out of everything I've said.

[Ahsoka]

Not saying a lot, it's page 5, but interesting defense you took there.

[Ahsoka]

Yawn, you're boring.

And I can't, I was already outed. I'm not going to have like 2 people know who I am, and not the rest.

[Ahsoka]

rather than running back to the poor little daddy i'm-flavour-leaf

I am daddy.

[Ahsoka]

Hopkirk is "trying to 1v1" but he's essentially just shit posting in his "1v1".

My vote is not RVS, as I don't participate generally in RVS, if that wasn't clear.

I'm not like confident he's scum or anything, but it's the correct path to pursue right now.

[Ahsoka]

Why does that matter?

[Ahsoka]

I'm just here to point out the poor discrediting you're doing.

You're doing it in a manner where you can back off and easily defend as joking, shit posting, but you're trying to gain control over the game in an extreme lighthearted way, but you are pushing an agenda.

Are you trying to play red? Is this what this alt is all about?

Like, ur accusing him of discrediting you in the manner that you’re suggesting, but like, wouldn’t it be better to see if he tried to commit to that play first?

Alisae's town.

Nah, he got psyched out thinking he was going after a newbie.

This is also less about Hopkirk than it appears.

[Ahsoka]

Alisae, that's a similar comment when someone says "How is it a reaction test if you just told them it's a reaction test?" Doesn't matter if they know. If anything, it trips them up more.

[Ahsoka]

Hopkirk is "trying to 1v1" but he's essentially just shit posting in his "1v1".

My vote is not RVS, as I don't participate generally in RVS, if that wasn't clear.

I'm not like confident he's scum or anything, but it's the correct path to pursue right now.

You have a read that strong eh?

No, I said 45%.

That is actually rather high for me on Day 1, however. I don't like to go above 65% on Day 1. That's how people get burned. If someone hits like a 60-65% that's temporary town block status, and usually means scum are messing with the gamestate and trying to get me to town read them, and early game, it's usually just better for me to let the scum pocket me, then figure it out later.

That's what happened with Plusjoy in Ilicit Subs.

[Ahsoka]

I know it's fun being dark and mysterious and all but why do people enjoy the whole declaring they're an alt thing if they want it to be a secret. Come on Jesse, just act like you're a first time player dang it.

I didn't want it to be a secret?

[Ahsoka]

Oh, talking to Jesse.

[Ahsoka]

It's a good list. I really hope to see a toxic 1v1 between ABR and FL

Morning tweet, if scum, has already sworn in the scum QT multiple times about the amount of heavy angry ATE going to collectively come from any possible town this game.

ABR and I get along well.

[Ahsoka]

Lol, kill infinity with fire then.

I was literally the one pushing the person who’s pining for his fade.

Now I have zero care on if Infinity lives or not.

Either Infinity just has absolutely no clue how to read me or they’re scum. Either way, idc if they die now.

[Ahsoka]

Semi tinfoil int Infinity and Hopkirk team now.

[Ahsoka]

Ooh fun a flavor scumgame.

You can tell it’s not by the amount I’m getting discredited.

[Ahsoka]

Who was discrediting you? Hopkirk?

Okay, this is why Infinity’s vote is poor.

Basically my only interaction in this game was my 1v1 with Hopkirk.

I have stopped caring about Infinity slot this game completely because that was a terribly scummy vote, and if he’s town here, I don’t care if he dies.

[Ahsoka]

I think I’m too scummy to be scum reading Infinity, but like that’s a bad reason for me to town read them, that’s just where I’m at.

[Ahsoka]

While I’m asleep, gun to head for whoever wants to answer.

How many scum do you think would be in a 5p hood in a 12p game?

I’ll leave that for the thread ig

Why are we both about to go to sleep at noon.

[Ahsoka]

I'm pretty sure I have the biggest ego here.

I disagree.

[Ahsoka]

Link to VC

Flavor let's make a deal. You don't yell at me and tell me I'm awful for voting you, and I'll approach you in good faith and not tunnel you. Deal?

I only talk about people's playstyles and in game actions. You vote is poor on a scummy level, it's not awful of you.

You made a potentially momentum swinging vote after I had disappeared after the end of my 1v1, and then didn't even understand who was discrediting, so it showed you didn't actually take the time to look at the posts, or you would know, the only people I had really interacted with was Hopkirk, and Alisae was around a little.

[Ahsoka]

Flavor let's make a deal. You don't yell at me and tell me I'm awful for voting you, and I'll approach you in good faith and not tunnel you. Deal?

I only talk about people's playstyles and in game actions. You vote is poor on a scummy level, it's not awful of you.

You made a potentially momentum swinging vote after I had disappeared after the end of my 1v1, and then didn't even understand who was discrediting, so it showed you didn't actually take the time to look at the posts, or you would know, the only people I had really interacted with was Hopkirk, and Alisae was around a little.

[Ahsoka]

I'm pretty sure I have the biggest ego here.

I disagree.

Your ego is by default smaller because you are on an alt.

Some of my alts are undefeated.

[Ahsoka]

Flavor let's make a deal. You don't yell at me and tell me I'm awful for voting you, and I'll approach you in good faith and not tunnel you. Deal?

I only talk about people's playstyles and in game actions. You vote is poor on a scummy level, it's not awful of you.

You made a potentially momentum swinging vote after I had disappeared after the end of my 1v1, and then didn't even understand who was discrediting, so it showed you didn't actually take the time to look at the posts, or you would know, the only people I had really interacted with was Hopkirk, and Alisae was around a little.

I just don't really agree that hopkirk was discrediting you. I wanted to know who you thought was discrediting, because to me it looked like no one.

To be honest, I don't believe that a flavor who is approaching me in good faith thinks that vote is super scummy. I have one completed game with you (maybe more back in the day but idk), and I haven't even talked about the reasons for the vote yet! Maybe I had the right idea of how to approach sorting you (or at least, a reasonable one from town) but I was wrong in this instance. People in this game know that I'm not afraid to push someone who I think is a deepwolf, even if everyone else thinks I'm insane. But pushing you because I got a bad first impression and my only other data is a bunch of NAI OMGUSing is a lot less fun than the back-and-forth that comes with two people really trying to analyze the others' motivations.

Disagree. It's not always about what they say, it's how they say it.

[Ahsoka]

Game's boring, wagon me so I can catch the scum who vote me and the ones that don't.

Hey pick someone to tunnel yourself. Why are you so afraid to start a tunnel on someone random of your choice like for example morning tweet?

Why u even asking us?!?

No matter what way you look at it, the first question is a discredit.

Not only do they misrep me trying to push like I was afraid, they also try to joke push me down.

[Ahsoka]

Thats hipkork to you.

Come on ahsoka. Point out the fakeness. I'm calling you out on this. Show me your pathetic words so that I may use them to evicerate you.

Ah, I thought you might be refering to the spewing of molten rage that I do when anyone dares suspect me. I'm not angry with Ahsoka yet, but they should still be made of fear.

Now why are you on my leg instead of on infinity soldier?

Like no matter how you look at it, it just is that. My standing always goes down in a neutral stance in that position, which is the purpose of a discredit.

And you don't even know the context of the 1v1 yet chose to push a stance.

Like you are factually just wrong here.

[Ahsoka]

Honestly most of what hopkirk said read as joking to me.

doesn't mean it's not readable

[Ahsoka]

I don't care about your reasons. The timing of the vote and your lack of contextual knowledge was just poor and scummy.

[Ahsoka]

yo yo yo.

Lost 2 scum games today by concession.

[Ahsoka]

had 6 scum games in a row, so happy to finally have a town game here.

[Ahsoka]

im gonna take the rest of the day off.

[Ahsoka]

why am i prob town

you just prob are

[Ahsoka]

I will hammer if you put them to E-1.

[Ahsoka]

Can you rephrase some of that a bit?

I do know that it's much more difficult to read someone who goes "your vote on me is awful your read on me is awful you're either scum or really bad town". Town can do that too, so if flavor is scum he can hide behind that easily. I was trying to draw him in so we could interact more meaningfully.

This wasn't even my reasoning.

I specifically stated that it was the timing of the vote, and the momentum possibility it had when I was away mixed with you not even knowing the context of my posts thus far.

Why would you think scumMe can't interact meaningfully? I did this when you were Detective and I was scum.

Infinity, something's up with you this game

[Ahsoka]

you're at E-2, you should claim because I already gave my intent to hammer.

[Ahsoka]

You pushed me like you wanted me to be scum, but you didn't even have accurate representation of the game that was being played.

[Ahsoka]

Finding Ahsoka's stance on infinity weird here. Seems kind of afraid of an infinity scumflip while saying he supports the vote. Possible partnering noted but feels kind of clumsy on Ahsoka's part. I'd expect better theater if it was SvS so probably not.

I specifically said I'd hammer, you know that, right?

Infinity's read on me is poor/fake, even if he is town.

My vote is still on you.

[Ahsoka]

It's not the fact he has a scum read on me, it's his basis and reasoning is just not there, and he was pushing it, but he didn't even have context about any of my posts, because he didn't even know about my posts towards you, hopkirk, and that was essentially all of my posts at the time.

He was actively making a case on me with reasoning based on my posts, without knowing my posts.

[Ahsoka]

It's not the read itself, it's how he got there just reeks of fabrication.

[Ahsoka]

Yeah, I see that now. That post was made before I realized you were doing catchup posts

[Ahsoka]

I'm kinda lean town on you anyways, but I thought you were about to drop down again, but then I liked your posts afterwards and things changed back when I realized you were catching up.

[Ahsoka]

I think Jesse calling Infinity scum, but wanting more days is townie.

Jesse feels like a slot that's going to eventually get ran up, maybe not today, but I think they're town in that position, if that makes sense.

A lot of their posts don't make sense to me coming from a scum perspective. They're not townie posts by themselves, but the overall ISO doesn't make sense to me coming from scum.

[Ahsoka]

why are you even bothering to think about jesse's alignment if infinity is getting run up today lol

Why shouldn't I give my thoughts on the slots in the game? I'm not focused on just one player.

[Ahsoka]

Pooky might be doing damage control here if he's scum with Infinity.

My vote isn't on Infinity right now, but this Infinity wagon doesn't happen without me pushing for it to happen. This is a pointless bus if I were to be bussing Infinity here. Especially considering how tired I am of playing as scum, there's no way someone should believe I would actively take out a partner like this, especially someone like Infinity, who I know pretty well.

[Ahsoka]

Oh wow, I missed a couple pages, and didn't see the lover claim.

Yeah, I think that makes Infinity almost assured scum for me.

[Ahsoka]

Infinity is my beloved and while I am not convinced he is town, I would like more time to figure things out myself. We have 5 days. You people are way too rushed.

I didn't read this like a Lover claim. I thought this was like they like Infinity on a personal level, and didn't want to fade him because of it even though they thought he could be scum.

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: Infinity

[Ahsoka]

Ahsoka sounds like they are bussing Infinity.

Also their "read" on Jesse is kind of a joke, pretty sure they knew Jesse was going to flip lover with Infinity so there's no point even coming up with a read.

this reeks of damage control so bad

[Ahsoka]

I'm okay with Jesse hammering it for narrative purposes.

[Ahsoka]

You knew that Infinity knew what you were talking about, and yet you continued to push Infinity largely for "not knowing the context of your posts" as a reason. Why?

This comes up in most of your posts explaining why Infinity is scummy, and it sounds pretty convincing. But I don't quite buy that you believed it -- it doesn't make sense, surely you realized that Infinity did not think of Hopkirk's posts as discredits (since, after all, other players can interpret posts differently), so what actually made you push for Infinity so strongly?

Pretty sure you quoted my reasonings right in the same post.

[Ahsoka]

Morning Tweet pings for the opportunistic fabrication.

[Ahsoka]

I'm working with a relative

uncrowned, clidd, hopkirk, alisae town block.

I'm not going to explain these right now.

[Ahsoka]

I honestly don't know how you can reach that conclusion

Like thats a conclusion that doesn't make sense to me at this given moment.

Yeah, I think it makes ABR a little townie for me, though.

[Ahsoka]

I mean if you wanna try to sell me on ali>ahsoka today then I’ll listen

And like the whole reason FL quickhammers as town is so he can as scum

Yes, when I rand scum it’s a very useful excuse for miselimming him, but it’s still a good idea to policy him for it for the times when he is scum

This is completely untrue.

I started quickhammering as scum because I quickhammer as town.

You can go all the way back to 2014 and see that I used to only quickhammer as town.

It is a town move by me, and I don't always make it.

And I've used like 2 quickhammer plays recently, and people have started to catch on, so I'm past quickhammer gambits.

You always tunnel me when I'm town.

[Ahsoka]

I kinda like Hopkirk right now. There's been no follow up on our 1v1 from yesterday, and they pushed it like they were doing it to do it, and before I thought it was scum doing that, but now I think it was town doing that because he's not really pushing for anything. Just kinda throwing wet noodles at a wall, seeing if it sticks in a non fade kinda way

[Ahsoka]

Pooky and Menalque are both players who have no clue how to town read me.

I don't think I've seen either of them ever town read me unless they were scum, or I was scum.

[Ahsoka]

Pooky and Menalque are both players who have no clue how to town read me.

I don't think I've seen either of them ever town read me unless they were scum, or I was scum.

I've literally never town-read you as scum

You town read me in Boardgames when you were scum.

[Ahsoka]

Pooky and Menalque are both players who have no clue how to town read me.

I don't think I've seen either of them ever town read me unless they were scum, or I was scum.

I've literally never town-read you as scum

You town read me in Boardgames when you were scum.

The other statement was about Menalque. Neither of you have ever town read me when I was town, as town.

[Ahsoka]

I feel like we are letting clidd and kanna off the hook too easily though

I have reasons to believe Clidd is town.

[Ahsoka]

I mean I have never town read you when you were scum.

And board games you were a vig who shot scum so I wouldn't really call that a town read lol.

you've never played against scumMe when you had to read me. Only Pooky vs FL, but I was ScumStump.

[Ahsoka]

ABR is really good at making me town read him, though. I've done it twice when he was scum. This still feels different.

[Ahsoka]

you've never played against scumMe when you had to read me. Only Pooky vs FL, but I was ScumStump.

I scumread you in the Maria Mini Theme - even had your exact role name :3

Oh, you're right.

I forgot about that game. That was my return game from after 6 months away.

[Ahsoka]

Ugh, I don't have the energy to fight Menalque. He's indefatigable as town, and incessantly obnoxious as scum.

Pooky, please just pretend I'm a mason with you this game.

[Ahsoka]

I'll give you more popcorn, and get a good laser sword duel sometime later

[Ahsoka]

ABR is really good at making me town read him, though. I've done it twice when he was scum. This still feels different.

he's not town tho
trust me

No good player who has ever trusted you ever said "wow I'm sure glad I trusted alisae"

no one has said that
ever

people still think I'm garbage at town for some reason

In my experience, while it's irksome, it leans in your favor if people underestimate you as town if you make it to late game. We're the type that's pretty untouchable as town late game, but early game people like to discredit us.

[Ahsoka]

My pool is [MT, Alisae, Hopkirk]

this is straight fire

except probably remove ali and replace with pooky because e will be an easy sort later on imo

I think I'm going to take Uncrowned out of my townblock.

I like the MT read, I really do.

I think that's my biggest issue here based on your play, Uncrowned. Yesterday, I felt the potential of you buddying up to me, and now you're targeting MT/Pooky, which are 2 people coming after me. If I flip, you get town cred there. If they flip, you get to blame me.

[Ahsoka]

I've been thinking about it, and I didn't quickhammer here.

I gave my intent to hammer if put to E-1 a decent amount earlier.

[Ahsoka]

I will hammer if you put them to E-1.

you're at E-2, you should claim because I already gave my intent to hammer.

Finding Ahsoka's stance on infinity weird here. Seems kind of afraid of an infinity scumflip while saying he supports the vote. Possible partnering noted but feels kind of clumsy on Ahsoka's part. I'd expect better theater if it was SvS so probably not.

I specifically said I'd hammer, you know that, right?

Infinity's read on me is poor/fake, even if he is town.

My vote is still on you.

I also thought someone unvoted, so I didn't actually even think I hammered there.

Why was this pushed as a quickhammer?

[Ahsoka]

Pooky, please just pretend I'm a mason with you this game.

tbh even if we were masons together I still wouldn't trust you

So you just have Flavor Fever and aren't going to do anything about it ever?

[Ahsoka]

Like I specifically didn't quickhammer here, Menalque's twisting the situation.

I don't know if they're doing it because they replaced in and are unaware or scum.

[Ahsoka]

Menalque or Morning Tweet have scum in them.

I could even see either of them as scum with ABR, if ABR ends up being scum.

[Ahsoka]

Like I specifically didn't quickhammer here, Menalque's twisting the situation.

I don't know if they're doing it because they replaced in and are unaware or scum.

You quick hammered. Sure you planted some seeds of it but no one paid attention to it BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRST BANDWAGON OF THE GAME

No, I don't think so.

There's something else I do every time I quick hammer, that I did not do this game.

20 points for whoever gets it right.

[Ahsoka]

@Menalque - Look at my other quickhammers. There's something distinctively missing from this one.

[Ahsoka]

I think ABR has potential to be scum, thinking he's got a guilty on him, and now is creating WIFOM for future days, either trying to fake distance (ie make me look like a partner by making it look like distancing) or is town mad I'm considering them as possible scum.

But I think I'm soul reading Alisae here.

[Ahsoka]

I'm working with a relative

uncrowned, clidd, hopkirk, alisae town block.

I'm not going to explain these right now.

yeah, alright. I'm happy with this minus Uncrowned still.

VOTE: Uncrowned

@Alisae - I'm likely to join you, but I'm not ready for the day to end yet anyways.

[Ahsoka]

oh shit it's FL what up my g

nice to see you rolled town

kinda

ahsoka Town
alisae... prob town

you/hop pretty neutral atm

I forget if anyone else has posted

my boy ABR got the sauce

VOTE: Infinity

Infinity?

hell yeah SPEEDRUN

also sorry i'm probs not gonna join in on the mutual pocketing atm

abr clidd ahsoka are townie squad for me rn

VOTE: Pooky
sheep me guys

My pool is [MT, Alisae, Hopkirk]

this is straight fire

except probably remove ali and replace with pooky because e will be an easy sort later on imo

So I think all of these are there to pocket me, which is backed up by Uncrowned putting MT and Pooky as their scum reads.

They bring up Pooky/MT, 2 people who were pushing me, but end up pushing Hopkirk, someone I've stated I town read, however, I did get in a big argument with them Day 1.

They also ended up stating Menalque as town, which empowers them and lets Uncrowned stay town reading me.

Way too early solve:

Menalque or MT/Uncrowned/ABR

[Ahsoka]

wow that was fast.

[Ahsoka]

ahsoka — just policy him tbh, save the headache and no more worrying about other quickhammers

I'm going to go back to this for a second.

I really only do this Day 1 or occasionally Day 2 because my Day 1 preference is like 20 pages. I'm not a fan of 60+ page Day 1's because you can just do that Day 2, but with actual information.

[Ahsoka]

I really only do this Day 1 or occasionally Day 2 because my Day 1 preference is like 20 pages. I'm not a fan of 60+ page Day 1's because you can just do that Day 2, but with actual information.

This is so easily abused by scum who have your number.

Sure, but I can see the playerlist.

I usually play Day 1 in a way to specifically not get night killed, so it doesn't matter too much.

Unless it's someone like Skitter or Something Smart, players usually try and risk letting me stay alive. Occasionally it works out.

You guys put a lot of effort into getting me that game you hyena'd me. I'm a better night kill than a misfade because I don't get to talk during the night.

[Ahsoka]

ABR, if you hadn't gone the pocket attempt with me twice as scum already, I'd be much happier right now.

I'm so paranoid. I'm so weak to that type of pocketing.

I'm willing to let ABR sit for a bit, because if he is scum, he still knows he has to get rid of me because I flipped on him when he was scum trying to pocket me in Zoey's. He still got me faded in 5p lylo because he worked Cakez pretty well too.

Tinfoil, Menalque/Myself both town, and ABR's doing an epic double pocket attempt. The sheer idea of that is just amazing to me.

[Ahsoka]

Give me a % Alisae. ABRscum.

Is it coinflip odds?

[Ahsoka]

Ahsoka you didnt answer what i said from what i saw, are you claiming that you just didnt think it was possible Infinity didnt think Hop was discrediting you? You just glossed over that detail while pushing him?

You mentioned that i was misrepping you calling it a quick hammer but it's still what happened and you were still quite sure Infinity was scum based off of the reason i mentioned so that's not really relevant

I didn't read your posts fully, not gonna lie, I was actually talking about Menalque's quickhammer comments.

My progression on Infinity is there, and everything was thought about. I was actively trying to have them work with me if they were town, but they kept being weird about things.

[Ahsoka]

Give me a % Alisae. ABRscum.

Is it coinflip odds?

coming back to the thread with a clearer mind, I'd say maybe like
scum 60 - 40 town

like it still seems scum but if that slot was scum I would expect it to tunnel me into the ground.
If Uncrowned flipped scum I would probably give it a pass since the wagon thats mutually forming here I think I'm okay with.

ig this is where I'm just dumping my reads
You're town and my closest ally and if thats not sayin somethin idunno what is.
MT is my 2nd strongest townread.
Hopkirk also seems fine
Pooky I think like is generally weird but I don't think his play so far comes from scum

I would probably like never vote the above ever.

Kanna and clid are townleans.
Kanna's posting from D1 feels townie but I want to see what happens next and clid i kinda just skimmed and wrote off as townie and maybe I'm just overlooking something here tbh. His interactions with Infinity seem fine I think?

ABR would go around here honestly. I definitely don't think he's aligned with Uncrowned.

Then it goes
Uncrowned
Mena

Pretty good odds. I do like the Uncrowned wagon, and it's the town block, but it happened fast, but I still think it makes sense to be able to happen fast in a potentially all town situation.

I agree with the Pooky read almost exactly.

I need to look more into Kanna and MT, I guess.

[Ahsoka]

{pooky, ahsoka}

this looks like a setup to create a TvT later

[Ahsoka]

Uhhhh idk

I had questions for Uncrowned i didnt get to and i dont remember what they were

i need to hear Pooky's explanation for saying you're similar to haunted house

I just want Ahsoka to COMMENT on my interpretation of his Infinity push beyond "Why are you accusing me of quickhammering?!". Like i expect him to say, like, "No I wholeheartedly believed in the case" but whatever

I feel like it's already obvious I wholeheartedly believed in the case, and like I said already, I wasn't even referring to you with that.

I tried to talk to Infinity throughout the day, I wasn't like relentlessly tunneling them. They just weren't really making much sense to me.

[Ahsoka]

he's starting to charm the queen KEKW

I am getting a bit charmed, you're right.

Kanna wagon is interesting to me. I was thinking about moving to Kanna. I don't know if I am, but I don't think I want Uncrowned anymore.

UNVOTE: Uncrowned

If they're scum, they did well at relieving pressure from themself.

[Ahsoka]

However, I don't really want Clidd.

[Ahsoka]

Ahsoka ABR and Uncrowned all open-wolfing now

Flavor Leaf must've spiked the punch in the scum room.

i'm down to kill any of [ABR Ahsoka Uncrowned]

ABR reads exactly the same way as that time he was playing open-wolf in Betrayal.

I mean this pool is awfully convenient for Pooky!scum combined with how ABR doesn't read like that Betrayal game

I got trapped by townreading Polarbears so I PoE'd Toog

also in this case i dont think Pooky lacks charisma, i think he was largely pretty rational and objectively right during that span where we were suspecting ABR -- Like Unc and ABR were scummy in blatant ways but now that we're really thinking about it i dont think either are scum

You know what, this does look really bad now, and it definitely didn't look that bad when I was here yesterday, but after the 10+ pages we've gone through since, I don't think it ages well for me either.

[Ahsoka]

I don't wanna think rn, but maybe Menalque and Ahsoka are some kind of ccs to each other, so I'm trying to study a scenario where both are town and see if that fits the PoE I have in mind.

How are we some kind of CC to each other at all?

[Ahsoka]

their main push is a policy on something that wasn't even a quickhammer.

Go check any time I've quickhammered, people.

I've always said "Did somebody say E-1?"

I gave my intent multiple times, and actively stated to claim at E-2 not E-1, and the game was going to be hammered anyways, it's not like the day prematurely ended, we had decided on ending it.

[Ahsoka]

The fact the wagon grew fast on kanna doesn't make kanna town.

yeah, Uncrowned went fast too, so I think that’s just the game being played right now.

MT, Kanna, and Menalque are what's messing with me.

I'm going back and forth on Clidd, but I'm going to trust that for now.

ABR, I'm gonna naturally lean town but paranoia scum no matter what.

Alisae scum wouldn't be empowering me like this, especially if I'm not pushing people much, unless they consider me the one who pushed Infinity through, which I guess I was. I don't see why I would be town read here, though.

Hopkirk, eh, I liked our 1v1 when I look back at it. I might just like Hopkirk, though.

who'd I miss? I think that's 1 person I missed.

[Ahsoka]

oh, pooky.

Idk with Pooky. They always push me as scum, and while I think their play has been weird if scum, and I town read it, I don't think they're not capable of posting like that as scum.

[Ahsoka]

Clidd's posted a lot, I haven't. I don't think we should fade there, though

[Ahsoka]

Link to VC

I started in the neighborhood, I didn't get neighborized.

[Ahsoka]

If clidd is scum Ahsoka is too

How does this make sense? We’re neighbors.

He didn’t neighborize me.

[Ahsoka]

I feel like we are letting clidd and kanna off the hook too easily though

I have reasons to believe Clidd is town.

for stuff posted in the hood or just because you were in a hood?

Hood, not really what he’s said, but he’s using it as like a private PT, and it does look town spewwy, but I did go through a decent amount of this day thinking he could be scum, and I told him in the PT

I tinfoiled him as scum with ABR early in the day, then I just told him a few hours ago actually that I was suspicious of him. He’s almost posting too much in the neighborhood.

I don’t understand how he was able to do so much in this game, I’m struggling to get reads.

[Ahsoka]

Well if he flips scum and he lied about his role then you're confscum

Okay, sure.

He’d flip neighbor, though, but okay.

[Ahsoka]

I did not vote alisae.

Amended on all relevant VCs -Hectic

[Ahsoka]

I'll start playing again eventually. I just finished a different game earlier.

[Ahsoka]

he's starting to charm the queen KEKW

I am getting a bit charmed, you're right.

Kanna wagon is interesting to me. I was thinking about moving to Kanna. I don't know if I am, but I don't think I want Uncrowned anymore.

UNVOTE: Uncrowned

If they're scum, they did well at relieving pressure from themself.

this was my last vote

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: Kanna

ABR pushes don't make sense coming from scum here.

I've thought it over and essentially it's come down to I have reasons to not want every player in this game faded except Kanna and Morning Tweet.

[Ahsoka]

Uncrowned has done a decent amount of things that just aren't pushing a scum agenda. Like there was multiple times I felt like he just made posts that weren't scummy, specifically around the time he was wagoned.

Clidd is spewing thoughts in the neighborhood, and the push onto Clidd was really weird to me. I haven't read all his posts in the neighborhood, nor do I really think I am going to, but he's doing the absolute most if he is scum here.

Alisae seemed to be in a similar position to me, and I generally feel good about them, and don't think they're pocketing me.

Hopkirk, I just kinda like Hopkirk and want to trust them. Call it gut, but I think there's more reasons, I just don't feel like listing them because it's more complex, and I don't know how to word it.

ABR's been doing some weird shit if he's scum.

Pooky is meh, probably town, but I didn't like the way they pushed me earlier. Doesn't mean they're scum, though.

Menalque's entry was super rough, but I can see him doing the same thing as town. I'm still lean scum on them.

So essentially, these are the relative reasons I'm happy to not fade in these slots today because I think with more stuff to go off of, I'll be able to read them correctly. I do not think this is the day I will be able to do so.

Kanna/MT I think have a decent chance of having scum within them. Kanna's posts have been coasty, and the scum reads they have I don't like. It seems like they're putting the reads out there specifically so that those reads are out there this game.

Still don't like MT's posts from early in the game, but them trying to talk to me helped a bit, which is why I chose Kanna over MT.

[Ahsoka]

Clidd says I'm voting town

[Ahsoka]

yeah, im trying to figure out why I lost complete interest in this game for a second. I think it's definitely a gamestate thing. Scum are splitting sides probably that means waiting for town to misfade for them probably. I don't think scum are taking a town leader esque role this game.

This might mean Menalque is scum, but I don't want to push them when they are VLA/ill, but I could see scum waiting for Menalque here depending who they are.

[Ahsoka]

you townread them too, huh? Clidd said the same thing.

I'm not completely in the know of everyone's reads this game. I've forgotten/missed a decent amount of this game.

[Ahsoka]

what am I missing with the kanna read

[Ahsoka]

I never said partners.

[Ahsoka]

kanna/clidd/menalque

kanna/abr/menalque

kanna/pookybear/morningtweet

im not even really scum reading Kanna, i just gave the reasons why i didnt want the others faded at this moment in time.

[Ahsoka]

i dont think anyone in this game has done anything where they absolutely can't be scum here. not even hopkirk and alisae.

[Ahsoka]

also a clidd towngame just ended and i think he looks heaps obvtown here!

compared to a clidd scumgame that i was in: here
with for example this post:

Spoiler:

Subject: mini 2140: partition (this is over)

VOTE: Group 3

clidd, how do you individually read the three inside group 3?

I see Mohab500 as a potential scum for what I mentioned on post 187 and for the strange transition between posts 149, 163 and 166, as he does not contextualize the reason for voting on group 2. Dsj has very strange/confused opinions on posts 49 and 51, which are aggravated on post 189. However, posts 178 and 191 demonstrate a volatility that is making me reflect. In the case of Enomis, I liked post 63 initially, where he performs some calculations to give substance to the opinion, however, the difficulty on presenting a reason for voting on post 90 seemed more like an attempt to highlight the problem than necessarily proposing a solution, considering that he makes the intention of voting explicit but does not execute it, which suggests a scummy slow-push without compromise.

So due to the combination of the impressions I had about the slots, added to the composition speculations I made on post 182, it is very likely that their group has scum.

where there's a lack of emotion and looks like it was written up for the sake of "post needed to be written up". reminds me of this:

Spoiler:

Regarding Kanna, I believe that it is fair, because of our historical context together, that she speculates about scum!Clidd above town!Clidd based on what I have shown so far, but although she attributed a description to the impression she had of my sequence of posts during my interaction with Infinity, she used the "clidd not obvtown = probably scum" argument, which more recently scum players have used to formalize a suspicion about me, something that GuiltyLion did in forest fire and that Menalque and Morning probably remember. For me it would be more organic if she took on a questioning instance, as Menalque and Morning did, but the current instance suggests that she is convinced of what she is talking about, even without enough information to make this kind of inference. But even though I have this negative impression about her,

I see both town!Kanna mistake or malicious scum position!Kanna, which is why she is null to me and not necessarily in the pool next to scum.

@clidd, i don't know i ended up at null. and there were a lot of words which makes me uneasy cause that's very scum!clidd maybe trying to be transparent

best way i can articulate this clidd read is when clidd is town, he's sherlock, when he's scum, he's watson, so he shines a lot less brightly

so yes, i want clidd today

p-edit: what would you like me to talk about?

this just looks tmi to me

[Ahsoka]

i read it wrong. nevermind

[Ahsoka]

there should be scum in {Ahsoka/Hopkirk/Menalque} prolly

tbh any and all of my reads there are just gone from not seeing them in so long. Hop I still think had a good D1. Mena I can't tell if I'm just falling into a PoE trap by townreading too many ppl or if he is actually just scum

Ahsoka i haven't really gone anywhere with but theres for me there's been no strong reason he's town beyond possibly the clidd business (?) They both claimed to be sure the other is town

I feel like we are letting clidd and kanna off the hook too easily though

I have reasons to believe Clidd is town.

Regarding Ahsoka and Morning, I have personal reasons to believe that Ahsoka is town, not much related to this game

is this just hood stuff or is there more?

Ahsoka has been kinda wavering on clidd!town a bit recently but still doesnt want him elimed so idk

there are multiple worlds where we're all town.

[Ahsoka]

UNVOTE: Kanna

[Ahsoka]

also a clidd towngame just ended and i think he looks heaps obvtown here!

compared to a clidd scumgame that i was in: here
with for example this post:

Spoiler:

Subject: mini 2140: partition (this is over)

VOTE: Group 3

clidd, how do you individually read the three inside group 3?

I see Mohab500 as a potential scum for what I mentioned on post 187 and for the strange transition between posts 149, 163 and 166, as he does not contextualize the reason for voting on group 2. Dsj has very strange/confused opinions on posts 49 and 51, which are aggravated on post 189. However, posts 178 and 191 demonstrate a volatility that is making me reflect. In the case of Enomis, I liked post 63 initially, where he performs some calculations to give substance to the opinion, however, the difficulty on presenting a reason for voting on post 90 seemed more like an attempt to highlight the problem than necessarily proposing a solution, considering that he makes the intention of voting explicit but does not execute it, which suggests a scummy slow-push without compromise.

So due to the combination of the impressions I had about the slots, added to the composition speculations I made on post 182, it is very likely that their group has scum.

where there's a lack of emotion and looks like it was written up for the sake of "post needed to be written up". reminds me of this:

Spoiler:

Regarding Kanna, I believe that it is fair, because of our historical context together, that she speculates about scum!Clidd above town!Clidd based on what I have shown so far, but although she attributed a description to the impression she had of my sequence of posts during my interaction with Infinity, she used the "clidd not obvtown = probably scum" argument, which more recently scum players have used to formalize a suspicion about me, something that GuiltyLion did in forest fire and that Menalque and Morning probably remember. For me it would be more organic if she took on a questioning instance, as Menalque and Morning did, but the current instance suggests that she is convinced of what she is talking about, even without enough information to make this kind of inference. But even though I have this negative impression about her,

I see both town!Kanna mistake or malicious scum position!Kanna, which is why she is null to me and not necessarily in the pool next to scum.

@clidd, i don't know i ended up at null. and there were a lot of words which makes me uneasy cause that's very scum!clidd maybe trying to be transparent

best way i can articulate this clidd read is when clidd is town, he's sherlock, when he's scum, he's watson, so he shines a lot less brightly

so yes, i want clidd today

p-edit: what would you like me to talk about?

this just looks tmi to me

That doesn't look like TMI to me or what TMI is at all.

i said i read it wrong

[Ahsoka]

why was there no kill?

[Ahsoka]

Ahsoka D2 is way better than their D1 and I also have other reasons to townread them

I know I was gone for a day or two, but I believed this as well. I feel like people were trying to push like I haven't done anything.

[Ahsoka]

I feel Clidd is setting me up, to be honest.

[Ahsoka]

they keep saying I'm a low info slot in the neighborhood, and I feel like besides the past few days, I've done a good amount.

[Ahsoka]

and it's not like I have an issue with doing stuff as scum.

[Ahsoka]

Also, Legends of Runeterra or bust.

But actually, though, I'm quietly waiting for Wildrift to hurry and come out, because playing league on my tablet/xbox sounds fun, and it's essentially a different game that looks the same.

[Ahsoka]

why was there no kill?

tbh I thought you were the reason there was no death lol

no you didn't.

If you did, you wouldn't be scum reading me.

VOTE: Pooky

[Ahsoka]

i have a solid townblock of Kanna/Ashuka/you and would like to add MT to that

this is weird, not wrong, but weird. Might be true, but I'm personally not seeing it with those 2 specifically.

[Ahsoka]

It is a tricky slot to read rn.

I'm actually incredibly easy to read, but people who think they can read me, can't read me.

There's a reason there's some players on site who can town read me instantly.

[Ahsoka]

I play a very stereotypical game as both alignments, I just add some flash to it, and then do specific things to cause reactions.

[Ahsoka]

Hopkirk actually seems like he's about to get compromised wagon gamestate wise, and I think that's more indicative of town. I agree, though, they have dropped slightly for me, but I don't know if they would have dropped if they were actually scum.

I'm also thinking Alisae could be scum just running the game, but tinfoil.

I'm happy with Uncrowned as town, but I think their recent string of posts towards Hopkirk is a bit rough for me.

I will note that there was a lot of people town reading me earlier in the game, and then it feels like people just decided to scum read me.

That's fine, I don't think I'm the most obvious town, but I do think there are things out there that should help you correctly town read me.


Pooky/Clidd is where I'm leaning right now. Pooky started the discredit scum read on me, then MT/Kanna put me in lists, which could be coming from town, and I will say, they don't seem to be actually pushing me, only keeping me as an option.

Clidd is actively setting me up to get pushed down when he just saw me win a scum game where my play was drastically different. If anything that game is the reason I was inactive over here, and I was universally town read over there, and had nearly a perfectly controlled game. This is simply not the same, which is fine, I have a large scum range, but Clidd also is setting me up against Menalque, a player who was stating to policy me.

[Ahsoka]

I'm happy with Pooky or Clidd today.

[Ahsoka]

Clidd just went in neighborhood asking why I am justifying myself in the game thread when I'm just giving my thoughts on the gamestate.

[Ahsoka]

Clidd also just waited until I pushed them as scum to vote me.

[Ahsoka]

Ok, cross vote with me then.

I already called you scum, and said I'm happy with Pooky or you today. My vote is on you. It's also on Pooky. I will put it wherever I think it needs to be. You're baiting me into going against you, and I will vote you if the rest of the group wants you over Pooky.

[Ahsoka]

which sarcastic post

the one I said looked like it came from scum PT?

yeah, the one a bunch of people told you was garbage

i have a solid townblock of Kanna/Ashuka/you and would like to add MT to that

this is weird, not wrong, but weird. Might be true, but I'm personally not seeing it with those 2 specifically.

which 2?

the 2 that aren't me.

[Ahsoka]

how are you reading menal Ahsoka?

He hasn't posted much, how would I read him? He could be town, he could be scum. There's not a case for him right now, and I don't think he's as important to push right now because of the VLA.

[Ahsoka]

which sarcastic post

the one I said looked like it came from scum PT?

yeah, the one a bunch of people told you was garbage

i have a solid townblock of Kanna/Ashuka/you and would like to add MT to that

this is weird, not wrong, but weird. Might be true, but I'm personally not seeing it with those 2 specifically.

which 2?

the 2 that aren't me.

(Alisae/MT/Kanna) - You aren't sure on 2 of those 3? I thought you liked them all

Did you miss where I pushed MT and Kanna as the 2 slots I had less reasons to town read? I have slightly went up on them because Clidd's been setting me up for a while now.

[Ahsoka]

If I was scum, Clidd would have been faded by now.

[Ahsoka]

Ahsoka, I'm waiting for you to cross with me.

I already am? Just because my vote isn't on you, doesn't mean I'm not. It makes me feel like you're protecting Pooky now.

[Ahsoka]

I'm not really buying you think I'm scum here.

[Ahsoka]

so is that Clidd & Pooky or are those independent reads? i'm asking since they're both at the bottom of each other's reads lists and pooky voted Clidd with me when it got to i think L2

Yeah, but look how they set themselves up.

It's obvious they were both going to end up voting me today.

[Ahsoka]

Clidd was also almost dead, it could be a distancing move.

I'm not positive with Clidd/Pooky, the reads are independent that just happen to also make sense to me for partner reasons.

[Ahsoka]

I don't buy that you don't buy that I'm scumreading you here.

Okay? That's not my fault.

[Ahsoka]

If I was scum, you would buy it.

[Ahsoka]

Anybody who knows me knows I am the master of neighborhood manipulation, and I've done like absolutely nothing in the neighborhood, and instead I am actively choosing to post my analysis in the game thread rather than in the neighborhood.

[Ahsoka]

and y'know, the other stuff i was saying earlier (clidd)

i wouldn't be voting Ahsoka in this toxic 1v1

I don't think it's toxic. He's either scum or has a bad case of Flavor Fever because I hard pocketed him just recently.

[Ahsoka]

If I was scum, you would buy it.

Meh, no.

You won as scum against me, Ahsoka, you know that I'm more aware of your scumgame now.

And why wouldn't I actively be aware of that fact?

[Ahsoka]

I stopped reading his posts. We have like 5 pages, all him. I do all my analysis in this thread. Maybe threw a couple one off comments about reasons for saying certain things or certain things that are happening in game thread, but I really don't have much in there.

[Ahsoka]

Look at the gamestate right now.

Menalque, Morning Tweet, Kanna, Clidd, Pooky have all given their thoughts and would accept me as a fade today.

ABR will also generally always join too

That's 6 slots. I have far more gamestate control when I am scum.

[Ahsoka]

All I have is Hopkirk, Alisae, and Uncrowned really, and even then I could just be townreading scum, and they end up accepting it anyways.

[Ahsoka]

You just want me to be scum here or you're scum.

[Ahsoka]

Like I'm just not scum, don't know what to tell you. You aren't willing to look anywhere, so there's no point discussing it with you at this point.

[Ahsoka]

Ok, and?

like this is just a bad response. I gave a solid defense to why I am town here, and you just choose not to care about it.

[Ahsoka]

If you can't see the gamestate, then it's just not something you've learned how to read properly yet.

[Ahsoka]

So as scum you would have more control of gamestate, which means you're town. Is that it?

Yeah, even if you don't like it, it's 100% true. Even my scum games that end badly I have control.

[Ahsoka]

If you're town, you need to see it, or you're the fade today.

[Ahsoka]

Okay, then you're dead today, and we'll see from there.

Done with this conversation. Your "reason" was that I was a low info slot, which is just not true.

VOTE: Clidd

[Ahsoka]

How? You've been in the neighborhood lowering me for days now.

Your trajectory showed that you were looking to push me, and you tied me together with Menalque for reasons I still don't know.

[Ahsoka]

You went from town read, to null, to null with Menalque/Me having 1 scum, to slight scum, to waiting until after I pushed you as possible scum to vote me.

What part of this doesn't make sense?

[Ahsoka]

Like how do you see how I can't see it as setting me up.

I've also said this to you multiple times, so you know I was thinking it earlier as well, and you continued to make comments that brought lower when I was essentially taking a temporary day or so break from most of my mafia games.

[Ahsoka]

I even told you I was burnt out of Mafia a few days ago.

[Ahsoka]

What doesn't make sense?

[Ahsoka]

And it's bold for scum!clidd to set you up, you're annoying to 1v1.

This is why you have to set me up.

[Ahsoka]

It's fine. I have a way to IC myself this game, so if I don't become conf town, the game can fade me Day 4.

[Ahsoka]

It's fine. I have a way to IC myself this game, so if I don't become conf town, the game can fade me Day 4.

Nevermind, this is a 12 player game. I keep thinking it's a large.

[Ahsoka]

Ok, and how my "set you up" will work here?

This is why I think you're scum. I've already explained this.

[Ahsoka]

Look at the gamestate right now.

Menalque, Morning Tweet, Kanna, Clidd, Pooky have all given their thoughts and would accept me as a fade today.

ABR will also generally always join too

That's 6 slots. I have far more gamestate control when I am scum.

This is how I am setup, Clidd. This in combination with all the posts you've been setting your trajectory on me up. Like you can clearly see your trail of your read lowering. This is what I mean by setup. I feel like you just don't understand trajectory.

If you can't understand that, I don't know how to break it down any further.

[Ahsoka]

Your reasoning for scum!clidd is meh.

I'm voting you rn because I think you're scum, period.

Then I'm done with this conversation.

I target a player at night, and if I hit a specific player, I become Lovers with them, and I gain the Innocent Child ability.

Uncrowned is not my lover.

[Ahsoka]

You also specifically paired me up with Menalque in a way that doesn't really have anything backing it up.

Menalque can just be town, but he's gotten hard screwed over by me before, so I can see Menalque as town pushing there.

[Ahsoka]

My read progression on you remains perfectly aligned with my perception of the game and was presented in good faith, so the "setting you up" doesn't really exist.

And I don't understand your role.

if you're town, it wasn't happening. That doesn't mean that it doesn't look like it, and you refusing to accept that it can't look like that is why I think you are scum.

[Ahsoka]

Even if you end up being town, I stand by it looks like you were setting me up, it doesn't magically change. Your trajectory doesn't make sense to me, your accusation of me being low info is plain incorrect, and you putting Menalque/Me in a 1v1 looks like scum carefully positioning.

I don't care if you end up being town here, post game, this is 100% a solid reason for me to believe you are scum, and you have also continuously acted like I had no reason to scum read you, when I have multiple reasons, all that I've stated, but you're grouping it in like I have 1 single reason.

I had also stated this towards you before, and you chose to wait to push me until after I decided to push you.

Why should I town read you?

[Ahsoka]

Give me 3 reasons why I should town read you that aren't self biased or meta based.

[Ahsoka]

Your trajectory doesn't make sense to me, your accusation of me being low info is plain incorrect, and you putting Menalque/Me in a 1v1 looks like scum carefully positioning.

like you're just discrediting this entire line of reasoning without explaining why.

If you're town, you're pulling a newbie "idc, you should know I'm not scum here" when that's not how mafia works.

[Ahsoka]

I'm still meh to me, you can fake that as scum too.

then there's nothing that I can do, and you're just going to tunnel me. You want me to be scum here.

I can fake anything as scum. It doesn't make me scum.

[Ahsoka]

The reasons you're pushing aren't really strong to infer scum!clidd when you saw how town!clidd thinks in names on the list.

I was scum there, I didn't have to read you.

[Ahsoka]

If you're town, you're pulling a newbie "idc, you should know I'm not scum here" when that's not how mafia works.

The reasons you're pushing aren't really strong to infer scum!clidd when you saw how town!clidd thinks in names on the list.

[Ahsoka]

I do not have any ounce of meta I will use to town read someone. I mainly only use meta if someone is pushing someone as scum for something I think is NAI.

Otherwise, I play the game how it is unless I have a strong familiarity with someone, and that usually involves years of playing with someone.

[Ahsoka]

Actually, no. I still think you wouldn't consider the stuff you're saying as scum! Clidd. Just doesn't make sense to me.

I would have to have a very elaborate plan for this to work and I believe you are overreacting to my speculations.

I disagree that it's elaborate.

I very much believe ScumYou would be super excited to misfade you.

I'm also stoned, and just watching youtube, so i don't understand the overreaction comment, I'm just talking.

[Ahsoka]

*me

[Ahsoka]

I make reasons up to push people as town (not doing that here, but yeah), so I don't understand your "wouldn't be pushing me as town for this"

I push nonsensical shit all the time, this is so tame.

[Ahsoka]

1) when would I ever say "help"
2) I only would be able to get faded here as town
3)viewtopic.php?p=12230040#p12230040 More proof I push hard tinfoils all the time. I just scrolled for a couple of seconds to find it. Those slots were both town.

[Ahsoka]

Even if you don't think I'm town, it doesn't make sense to think I'm scum spamming my thoughts and developing my speculations/solve in a genuine way on the hood.

You may even find it inconsistent how I'm thinking as town, but you would hardly accept my line of reasoning as malicious, especially on the topic of you/Menalque.

Sure, and I even town read you for that earlier, and stated that.

[Ahsoka]

You were in my town block at the beginning of the day.

[Ahsoka]

So you waited for me to push you, makes sense.

[Ahsoka]

viewtopic.php?p=12230044#p12230044

this post was me being 100% incorrect. I'm wrong all the time, and push theories, not absolutes. Only sith deals in absolutes.