Yellowstone

Infinity 324 · Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:32 pm

Read my posts

Infinity 324 · Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:36 pm

I think you need a fancy complex explanation for why flea was NKed to begin with, fae wasn't particularly obvtown and faer reads weren't that great iirc?

Infinity 324 · Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:20 pm

Sorry JV, I kinda want to lim DGB without you and find the partner tomorrow.

Infinity 324 · Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:55 am

JV, I don't get how "scum killed the player that was gonna die to the PGO" isn't a tinfoil

Infinity 324 · Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:39 pm

I haven't read up, I had a migraine today

@Mark: I don't think JV/DGB is possible because the setup wouldn't pass balance. Theoretically the other scum could be a roleblocker

Infinity 324 · Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:13 pm

Who's scum with noraa DGB? And why did you block guillo n2 over noraa?

Infinity 324 · Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:48 pm

In post 3683, Infinity 324 wrote:Who's scum with noraa DGB?

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:49 am

In post 3693, Marky Mark wrote:
In post 3677, Infinity 324 wrote:I haven't read up, I had a migraine today

@Mark: I don't think JV/DGB is possible because the setup wouldn't pass balance. Theoretically the other scum could be a roleblocker
So let's say DGB is scum here (as you seem to think). That would mean that they would have to have some unusual modifier or JV would be dead if telling the truth.

I can see arguments for a DGB/JV scumteam here (no kill N2 makes more sense if claimed RB is scum) or for Noraa (quickhammer d4) but I'm finding it hard to see DGB being scum here without JV. Who do you see as being a potential partner?

I was looking at some mini-normals to get an idea of how many PRs in a 13p is typical and consider this game with masons - viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83883 where there are 3 masons w/ a mason+, no other TPRs and multiple scum PRs. If that's balanced, then are you trying to tell me that 6 TPRs here is balanced?? As that is what we would have if DGB/JV are town.

You or noraa is the partner.

You keep talking about 6 TPRs, but one of those is a PGO, which is negative utility. One of those is a fruit vendor, which barely adds anything. One of those is DGB, who is scum. The masons and JV have all the power in the town. Yeah it's a decent amount of power but it's by no means super townsided.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:53 am

In post 3708, JacksonVirgo wrote:Scum could have no-killed/cross-killed to set up three Town eliminations at once. Vax followed by the blocked (Gills), followed by DGB themself which is actually playing out right now to be completely honest.

But it's not 3 elims if DGB blocked noraa which it was probably going to do lmao

You're literally not nightkilling in order to guilty your own teammate. It makes zero fucking sense and nothing anyone has said has convinced me otherwise.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:55 am

Ok so it's mark/DGB.

VOTE: DGB

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:58 am

All of mark's logic points towards DGB being scum, but he's gonna vote noraa anyway. Make that make sense.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:00 am

JV can you at least look at the d1 interactions to see if they make any sense if me/noraa are the team?

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:07 am

In post 1485, Marky Mark wrote:This still feels like scum to me tho. Sending.
VOTE: Horsewoman

This vote was not really backed up by mark's previous reads (he had been going back and forth on horse), and happened right as the DGB wagon was gaining traction.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:11 am

Yeah the mason's instincts were on point, it was kind of a tinfoil but now that we have no other explanation for the missing kill n2 it has to be a gambit. If it's a gambit, scum needed to have control over the guilty for it to make sense.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:16 am

In post 3750, Noraa wrote:Rolestopper

This probably makes the most sense to dodge all the investigative power from town.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:26 am

Mathblade too! Sorry masons for not listening to you earlier

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:13 am

In post 3778, Marky Mark wrote:scum!DGB mechanically means JV is lying unless DGB has some very specific role modifier

To me, there is a 0% chance that both DGB and JV are scum due to balance concerns. There are a few possibilities that let JV be town when DGB is scum:

-Night-specific ascetic (ok, this is admittedly unlikely)
-Roleblocker (the more I think about this, it could make a decent amount of sense. This is the role that DGB claimed, and due to setup spec it knew that there was missing town power. Maybe it thought JV had more shots on their vig. Note that I don't believe any RBable town PRs claimed on d2, besides the fruit vendor.)
-Rolestopper (this could make sense to counter all the town investigatives. The question is why scum would use it on n2 after DGB was semi-cleared after guiltying pig. Maybe they thought the only way DGB get limmed would be to a guilty.)

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:18 am

In post 2143, MathBlade wrote:And at least one of us is mason+

Ok, they did say this but it was unclear which one scum should block. They probably figured JV was underclaiming their power.

N1 scum probably no killed to confirm DGB's claim.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:19 am

I'm ok losing to an 1000 IQ gambit, would've liked a win here but it happens.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:21 am

In post 3819, JacksonVirgo wrote:Dw we still win after yeeting you Infinity owo

I wish. I don't twilight troll.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:37 am

This setup was absurdly scumsided lol

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:41 am

I had decent reads, I knew DGB/JV made the most sense from a mechanics perspective, I just refused to believe that town needed a PGO when we had not much power to begin with.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:44 am

In post 3845, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3828, Infinity 324 wrote:This setup was absurdly scumsided lol
all scum had was a roleblocker, I mean maaaayyybe town didn't have that much power but I don't really feel it was that scumsided or townsided but I'm bias b/c this is my setup idea so...

Maybe "absurdly scumsided" is exaggerating a bit. But like, fruit vendor isn't power, motion detector is barely power, so town had to rely on 2 conftowns and a RC/tracker and that's it. And we had a PGO.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:45 am

In post 3848, Noraa wrote:
In post 3847, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3838, Noraa wrote:I was really obvtown.
You can’t really claim this for yourself its not really how it works
I definitely was. Infinity saw it.

Lol I was so paranoid of a DGB/you scumteam lol

In the end I didn't think scum!you would play like this.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 am

In post 3850, Marky Mark wrote:Be honest Noraa, if DGB flipped standard scum RB would you have elimed me tomorrow over JV?

Yes but only for setup spec reasons.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:47 am

JV played really well, the gambit was inspired. Scum played really well.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:52 am

In post 3861, Nero Cain wrote:the point of the PGO at least from my pov was to serve as a quasi IC. Like, scum are just going to leave that alone and unless you guys lynched it (wich u did) its gonna be there for the whole game. or maybe that makes sense to no one else but me.

This game was weird because of the scum gambit, I do think that scum PGO could be a real role and scum could claim PGO to avoid being investigated and stuff. It's negative utility because it can't be sorted by night actions, but I suppose it's not terrible for town to have one.

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:55 am

Thanks nero

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:34 am

I probably just have terrible setup spec then

Infinity 324 · Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:14 pm

Yeah tbf I think massclaim is correct pretty often there, scum gambiting fucked it up though.