MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]
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Samantha if you are town and you roleblock me, how come mafia chose to kill a 2-shot cop instead of the vigilante with incredible power?
Your roleblocking ability plus mafia's hit on Vaxkiller looks synchronized. Vaxkiller also cast suspicion on you yesterday and he said that there was only one role that made sense. I think you roleblock me so you guts could kill Vaxkiller and prevent you from checking your number, because you guys needed to make sure that Vaxkiller's claim of having 2-shots only was not a fakeclaim of his.
Your ability does not protect me and i dont believe scum chooses to kill Vax over me last night unless it was planned.
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Who silenced me? When?In post 1555, TemporalLich wrote:also whoever silenced guillotina is scum-
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Still stands, she could have submitted that role as her pick for scum, it makes sense you choose it as scum as it does not prevent factional kills.In post 1570, TemporalLich wrote:samantha is a passive roleblocker
I dont buy that garbage that she wanted to tone down the amount of kill power per night (which by the way it shouldnt be your decision to make), by now i would have killed both Mahi and CaptainS, and KidAmn, whom i targeted based on your scum read list last night.-
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Mahi's role is prince and I'm 99% confident he is a third party alien, so i will mot blowing up tonight, mafia will or they will lose to the alien.In post 1578, samantha97 wrote:
you're forgetting that guillotina can only do that if he isn't roleblocked/redirected/prevented by mahimahi's role, etc.In post 1576, TemporalLich wrote:do we elim the conf town and allow guillo to blown up mahi
telegraphing something in this game is really wishful thinking-
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Oh then i misunderstood cause that is what i did, i picked a town role as scum to fake claim and mess with everyone's heads but i got the explosive one for my town rand, little i knew someone was gonna roleblock me just by existing, i got outplayed since the beginning.In post 1579, samantha97 wrote:also I don't think you can alter the alignment of roles when picking? that's not how I interpreted it anyway-
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Actually if Samantha's claim is true and there was more parties with factional kill besides mafia, there is no way they don't kill me, so, there is no more 3ps that can kill.In post 1588, Almost50 wrote:Btw, mahi canNOT be "benign 3P" the way they role fished from the get go. Why would Benign 3P fake claim Town Guesser?? And why would they hold off true claiming and let us waste 2 eliminations on them? By default, a Benign 3P is not a threat to scum, so they wouldn't have been shot by Scum anyway (if they had claimed that), and we would not have missed 2 eliminations either.
Samantha is only roleblocking my kill power, town's chance to kill scum at night.
Mahi is an Alien (3p), i dont know if they are benign or not, but if scum hope to win, they will have to kill Mahi, so happy alien hunting scum, while i hunt you.
VOTE: Samantha
Oh by the way, Samantha didnt prevent two deaths, she prevented three already.-
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Do you understand that your alleged role does not block factional kills?In post 1591, samantha97 wrote:
it's not up to them who diesIn post 1589, Guillotina wrote:Actually if Samantha's claim is true and there was more parties with factional kill besides mafia, there is no way they don't kill me, so, there is no more 3ps that can kill.
The way i see it, you are either scum or a negative utility townie who should have claimed your role at day start.
Either way the best course of action is to yeet you or i use my rifle shot on you tonight.
Pecit: If you are town, Mafia is delighted with your naturalist role. The best townie ally they could have ever hoped for. Free of charge.-
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In post 1596, samantha97 wrote:I mean even if there was an entity or group that factional killed guillotina there is no guarantee it'd go through
yes it doesIn post 1595, Guillotina wrote:Do you understand that your alleged role does not block factional kills? .
and while I'm here I'd like to remind you all that we have 9 players alive with only 4 of them guaranteed to be town
is tossing a town number away really playing to a town win condition?Spoiler:In post 10174, samantha97 wrote:Town Naturalist
While you are alive, any killing or reviving role will not functionRefund any X-Shot abilities (or equivalent) prevented by this role. Additionally, only 1 player may die per night. If 2 or more players would die, randomize which deaths exceeding 1 will be prevented. All applicable prevented abilities/kills are still considered 'visits'.(excludes faction kills).-
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I read it, there is no guarantee that there are other factional kills. No guarantee at all, what we know for certain is that it blocked me three times while scum has successfully hit three times.In post 1599, samantha97 wrote:now read the other text
Vaxkiller is dead because he suspected you so your team killed him so you could cook up a fake claim to cover up that suspicion.
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I never said that there was no other factions, i said that there is no guarantee that there are more factional kills.In post 1602, samantha97 wrote:if you're sure mahimahi is a prince then we already know there are at least 2 factions-
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In post 1608, samantha97 wrote:
the only non-town prince has a factional killIn post 1607, Guillotina wrote:I never said that there was no other factions, i said that there is no guarantee that there are more factional kills.
I'mma go do something more productive though so now's the time to rush me through if you wantCreated by Ircher himself
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We yeet Samantha, the rifle shot is risky as it could kill someone else too, you, me, Raya, anyone.In post 1619, TemporalLich wrote:the reason is that guillo has a salt rifle and that has a 50% chance of being a strongman and potentially shredding samantha's roleblock
We yeet Samantha and i target someone in our PoE and we let scum take care of the Alien, if not im happy with the Alien winning as long as it's not scum that wins.
With Samantha dead im dying tonight but better believe im going out with a bang.-
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A50, TL was cleared by Vaxkiller, end of the story, besides, TL can confirm himself by targeting Samanta and CaptainS, it's not like those two are gonna fight anyway.In post 1617, Almost50 wrote:@Raya: Well it still bothers me he's promoting me as a deepwolf and trying to save a -ve town utility at best, plus his defense of mahi makes no sense. I probably wouldn't have been as upset if we didn't have a good idea about (a) samantha's role being a -ve utility and (b) mahi being SCUM.
TL started the day stating he will vote whoever the RB is, and did that as soon as samantha claimed it, then turned to me when I appeared to be pushing her myself (but with more logic than he did before she claimed).
What do you say TL?
Also, where is my fellow wild card friend? @Flea-
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No, we need you dead so i can do my job.In post 1622, samantha97 wrote:
the reason why temporal wanted me dead was because of mahimahi's potential role, not because we need someone to kill mafia more generallyIn post 1620, Guillotina wrote:We yeet Samantha and i target someone in our PoE and we let scum take care of the Alien, if not im happy with the Alien winning as long as it's not scum that wins.
that's what voting used to be for
The way i see it, Mahi is scum's problem unless we can eliminate your teammates first then Mahi becomes our problem. Me not killing Mahi is gonna force scum to waste a nightkill on them instead of killing us unless they are ok with letting Mahi win. To think i wanted Mahi dead and now they become a nice strategic element for us.-
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Let's put it this way, my role can only be confirmed by a body count. Samantha has prevented me from raising that body count, so no, there is no confirmation about my role other than my word which is great enough as i am OBVTown and you are obvious scum who has a problem with obvious town leading town.In post 1624, CaptainS wrote:
Just a general question. You are talking all the time about having a grenade and it being returned to you etc. Can you point me to the exact post where somebody else confirms your role rather than it being your words/thoughts so that we aren't leading the vote away from you.In post 1623, Guillotina wrote:
No, we need you dead so i can do my job.In post 1622, samantha97 wrote:
the reason why temporal wanted me dead was because of mahimahi's potential role, not because we need someone to kill mafia more generallyIn post 1620, Guillotina wrote:We yeet Samantha and i target someone in our PoE and we let scum take care of the Alien, if not im happy with the Alien winning as long as it's not scum that wins.
that's what voting used to be for
The way i see it, Mahi is scum's problem unless we can eliminate your teammates first then Mahi becomes our problem. Me not killing Mahi is gonna force scum to waste a nightkill on them instead of killing us unless they are ok with letting Mahi win. To think i wanted Mahi dead and now they become a nice strategic element for us.
I'm happy for my vote to not be on you but it looks like you are leading town right now and i would rather we not waste another day with somebody not being elimmed.
Rest assure my friend that there will be confirmation of my role when i blow you to pieces tonight. Granted that we do the right thing and we yeet Samantha (your teammate). I could change my mind if you vote Samantha though, offer has a time limit so i suggest you make the right choice quick.-
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Ok, let's make things clear, you are not town. But even if you were, you chose to be anti-town the moment you chose that ability and submitted it as your town rand and you chose again to be anti-town the moment the game started and you didnt claim your negative utility ability, and once more when you didnt claim your negative utility ability after seeing that there is an unyeetable player and that only a factional kill went through. You only keep all of that quiet if you are scum.In post 1633, samantha97 wrote:for some reason his plan is to vote out confirmed town then take a chance on a random with his ability, expecting for himself to eat the nk
in other words, he wants to transfer what is normally done by town in the day to be his sole decision at night, while guaranteeing a town dies during the day
it's about as logical as everything else proposed today
You took from us the ability to resolve slots at night and right now after three town deaths and our numbers lowering, we gotta focus on catching and killing scum not on helping scum reaching their wincon by killing a third party while you guys kill us.
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The only way scum is going to be pushing for Sam yeet is if:In post 1629, Raya36 wrote:Also just a random note: scum are going to be pushing for sam to be elimmed too. This is something beneficial to the groupscum and to town. Town needs sam gone so we can elim mahi and we don't want to depend on scum shooting mahi incase they're fine with them winning, or depend on mahi's elimination not being part of our wincon, scum has no problem with sam being gone since it's a town elim and when sam is gone town can take care of mahi so they don't have to waste a nk assuming they also want mahi gone
1) They wanna bus for town cred
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2) If they are a bunch of noobs with no one to coach them, is she was town.
If i was scum and sam was town, i'd save Samantha for last, i would be crazy to eliminate the one blocking town killing abilities if I was scum, she is making their lives easier. Come on now!
If you defend Samantha you are either throwing or outing yourselves as scum.-
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In post 1638, Flea The Magician wrote:Oh and thank you for allowing me to waste a night action Sam. ¬_¬ I am no closer to solving my role.
Mahimahi should fullclaim.
Omg. You know what, i cant with this town just yeet me instead.In post 1636, Raya36 wrote:If we're not going to bother with mahi then shouldn't we just leave sam? They're still a part of our numbers and we can elim scum
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Shut up, you are not a killing role, it's crazy that Ircher would put two town vigs in a 13 player set up specially with the kind of firepower i got and it's even crazier to think you would be outing as an anti-town, softing you are also a killing role that got blocked by Samantha.In post 1640, Flea The Magician wrote:Well now I'm targetting Guillo.
There is no way town got two vigs. So what is it flea?-
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Because this is what Samantha is claiming, that she can block factionals too, so, do you believe in Sam’s claim?In post 1645, Guillotina wrote:
Shut up, you are not a killing role, it's crazy that Ircher would put two town vigs in a 13 player set up specially with the kind of firepower i got and it's even crazier to think you would be outing as an anti-town, softing you are also a killing role that got blocked by Samantha.In post 1640, Flea The Magician wrote:Well now I'm targetting Guillo.
There is no way town got two vigs. So what is it flea?
I don't. I just don't. Vaxkiller got murdered even when he used his claimed two shots because of scum paranoia, scum needed to make sure Vax wouldn't number check Samantha.
The evidence is in the thread if you bother to look for it.
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Because i dont believe a host would risk to piss off all town killing role players, so one player with a negative utility can have her fun.In post 1646, samantha97 wrote:
why not? my role enables a lot of setups that would be vetoed I imagineIn post 1645, Guillotina wrote:There is no way town got two vigs. So what is it flea?
also can someone pls explain to guillotina why I'm not mafia because he keeps going at me from that angle and I don't wanna do it myself-
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I mean, i can only imagine how much the host and the spoiled dead players have laughed at me after finding out not only my action did not go through, that i got the shots back, that even if i tried to suicide i wouldn't be able to (i thought about it, dont judge) and that i was not even targeted!
HEADLINES
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If Samantha is scum, i'll night kill Mahi, how about that.In post 1651, Flea The Magician wrote:Trust me I'm thinking on the Sam yeet.
Mechconf yet incredibly anti-town, which is the better to have, a filtered kill turning this into a weirdly standard kill setup, or ust letting loose and probably making tomorrow YOLO.
You need to target Mahi if we yeet sam.
If Samantha is not, is in town's best interest to force scum take care of Mahi.-
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I don't know, i asked the host and he ignored me.In post 1655, Raya36 wrote:
How do you explain getting your grenades back then?In post 1647, Guillotina wrote:
Because this is what Samantha is claiming, that she can block factionals too, so, do you believe in Sam’s claim?In post 1645, Guillotina wrote:
Shut up, you are not a killing role, it's crazy that Ircher would put two town vigs in a 13 player set up specially with the kind of firepower i got and it's even crazier to think you would be outing as an anti-town, softing you are also a killing role that got blocked by Samantha.In post 1640, Flea The Magician wrote:Well now I'm targetting Guillo.
There is no way town got two vigs. So what is it flea?
I don't. I just don't. Vaxkiller got murdered even when he used his claimed two shots because of scum paranoia, scum needed to make sure Vax wouldn't number check Samantha.
The evidence is in the thread if you bother to look for it.
VOTE: Samantha
So i think she's got a similar role that we are lazy to try to find in 400+ pages of made up GIM roles and the naturalist is just a perfect fake claim.
Raya, vote Samantha or you may as well vote to yeet me. Not yeeting Samantha or yeeting me is the same game throwing equivalent.-
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No! If you are town you've been game throwing. You may have made the “naturalist” role, but such a role should be claimed at start of day 1 just like you would claim Miller or Ascetic in other games.In post 1657, samantha97 wrote:both are game throwing
the sad thing is you are saying you agree with me too guillotina
The most fucked up part of all of this is that you chose this role and didn't claim it the moment a prince was revealed only only a factional kill went through.
Like i would have told myself, oh shit, i didnt think this through when i chose it, i better claim now and find out what's better for town which would be killing me!
So it does not matter if you are scum or you are a throwing townie, we need you gone.-
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The solid plan is my plan! We yeet Samantha, if she is scum i finally kill the Mahimahi with pleasure higher than sex.
If Samantha is a townie, i kill Mahi, scum kills me and then you guys figure out the rest.-
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Yah, that should have been on Day 2, not after three blocked town vig shots and Vax suspecting you.In post 1660, samantha97 wrote:
that was todayIn post 1659, Guillotina wrote:The most fucked up part of all of this is that you chose this role and didn't claim it the moment a prince was revealed only only a factional kill went through. .-
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No, i didnt have my thoughts straight, if you are a townie i dont kill Mahi, i kill who i scum read and let scum worry about Mahi, yah.In post 1662, samantha97 wrote:
so now you're saying you're targeting mahi in both situations?In post 1661, Guillotina wrote:The solid plan is my plan! We yeet Samantha, if she is scum i finally kill the Mahimahi with pleasure higher than sex.
If Samantha is a townie, i kill Mahi, scum kills me and then you guys figure out the rest.-
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We need you dead first.In post 1665, samantha97 wrote:
I'm conftown so we're in agreementIn post 1664, Guillotina wrote:No, i didnt have my thoughts straight, if you are a townie i dont kill Mahi, i kill who i scum read and let scum worry about Mahi, yah.
I say we YOLO this out of proportion! Like we had 3 days without info courtesy of Samantha! Might as well unlock all that info at once in this cycle.In post 1651, Flea The Magician wrote:Trust me I'm thinking on the Sam yeet.
Mechconf yet incredibly anti-town, which is the better to have, a filtered kill turning this into a weirdly standard kill setup, or ust letting loose and probably making tomorrow YOLO.
You need to target Mahi if we yeet sam.-
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We have a solid plan, start with voting Samantha first. I'm signing off for a while because if i continue and i survive tonight then i won't be able to vote tomorrow.In post 1666, TemporalLich wrote:Do we force massclaim or not?
If we have a solid plan, no massclaim.
If we don't have a plan of what to do today, we massclaim.
Im voting for who i think is mafia now Sam. Im sorry for your rand and im sorry your fake claim didnt pan out to be as great as you thought it was gonna be. You are a great player but it takes someone with over 90% scum game win rate to catch a wolf like yourself.
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Yeet me then, go! I DARE YOU! This asshole wants you to yeet him.In post 1689, KidAmn wrote:
There's a somewhat pertinent quote about running into assholes all day. I invite you to consider it unless you really want to die on the hill of "everyone suggesting we not yeet Sam is anti-town".In post 1688, Guillotina wrote:Everyone defending Sam have private anti-town interests for her survival.
Go go go! Chooo choooo! VOTE: Guillotina
Like I’m believing right now that we are no longer the majority and this game is full of anti-town parties.-
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Ok fine. I will kill Mahi even if Sam turns out to be town.In post 1694, Raya36 wrote:I mean if we flip sam and sam turns out to be town why can't Guillo still kill mahi
He's saying he will only kill mahi is sam flips scum unless I'm misunderstanding
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Raya, vote Sam. Keeping Sam is beneficial for scum, do you wanna keep giving scum the advantage?In post 1698, Raya36 wrote:
Ok good. So that was my first of 2 problems with eliminating sam. Now my second issue is do we think scum actually want mahi gone as much as we do? Because if we do then we can leave sam and let scum take care of mahi. But if we end up needing to elim mahi for our wincon and we lose Guillo and leave sam then we have no way to kill them (assuming no other vig type roles).In post 1695, Guillotina wrote:
Ok fine. I will kill Mahi even if Sam turns out to be town.In post 1694, Raya36 wrote:I mean if we flip sam and sam turns out to be town why can't Guillo still kill mahi
He's saying he will only kill mahi is sam flips scum unless I'm misunderstanding
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Yes, im people pleasing. What are you gonna do about it?In post 1696, Flea The Magician wrote:I am getting people pleaser vibes guill, you know that aint a good vibe :/ Like its you, this is fully you, but I dunno if its AI or not.-
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Benefits Of Keeping Samantha Alive
1) If you are scum, you are guaranteed that you won't die to a town vigilante.
2) If you are scum, you are guaranteed that your factional kill will go through.
3) If you are scum, it's guaranteed that you will be able to kill Guillotina without risk of blowback because well, he cannot even attempt to missile himself to catch you. Then you can kill Samantha off after you kill Guillotina to unleash all the fury on town (all the potential factional kills that Samantha has been blocking but one).
4) If you are a third party, look above, change scum for third party and voila!
5) If you are both scum and third party you can both target the town's vigilante to make sure he dies!
Benefits of killing Samantha
1) All the benefits of keeping Samantha alive goes to shit.
2) Scum will think it twice before trying to kill Guillo because he is crazy and has no problem attempting a suicide missile to take down all of his attackers!
3) We'll be able to find out if there are more than one factional night kill in the game.
4) Mahi dies and their trolling during the entire game goes unrewarded.
5) The deepwolf who thinks they got Guillotina fooled will die too.
Vote Samantha if you are town.
Do not vote Samantha if you are scum, we'll chop you later.-
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And town loses their kill power in exchange.In post 1717, Raya36 wrote:Benefits of keeping also include we don't lose a conftown when our numbers are already low
So let's pretend Samantha is town. You are willing to keep the town vigilante permablocked if not dead tonight, to keep her around.
Good thinking there Raya.-
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Yah and we’ve gotten info too out that too.In post 1721, Raya36 wrote:We still have our elimination. And honestly with our kill power we probably would have killed at least a towny by now too.
Whom of my claim targets do you think is town? Why?
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Yah just yeet me.In post 1730, Flea The Magician wrote:Oh yeah, guills vote doesnt count...
It’s my fault that i didnt read the rules but between this scum sided posting rules and Samantha’s role, i lost WIM.
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Because those fighting to keep Samantha alive are most likely scum aligned or independents who benefit from town killing roles getting permablocked.In post 1736, KidAmn wrote:
Why the turnaround? Given Guillo's hyper-emotional play, I expect they'll be unholstered in a few more pages. They've bounced around on so many issues so much; they've even gone through 3 (that I recall) different plans of action in the last few pages. But then, so have you:In post 1735, Flea The Magician wrote:Yeah I got no intention to vote guillo, but guillo holstering means UNVOTE: Sam for me until we gain a better plan.
In post 1651, Flea The Magician wrote:Trust me I'm thinking on the Sam yeet.
Mechconf yet incredibly anti-town, which is the better to have, a filtered kill turning this into a weirdly standard kill setup, or ust letting loose and probably making tomorrow YOLO.
You need to target Mahi if we yeet sam.In post 1696, Flea The Magician wrote:I am getting people pleaser vibes guill, you know that aint a good vibe :/ Like its you, this is fully you, but I dunno if its AI or not.In post 1704, Flea The Magician wrote:Honestly I'm torn on it, Sams thing actually empowers me...In post 1726, Flea The Magician wrote:I have reasons for keeping Sam alive, as pissy as I am for the wasted night action...
But ya'll make some damn good arguments. Lemme see where the votes are at, I don't wanna pull a TLFrom "thinking on it" and "you need to target mahi" to "getting people pleaser vibes guill, you know that aint a good vibe" when he acquiesces; then suggesting Sam's power empowers you somehow and having reasons to keep them alive, but then you jump on to put them at E-1 until you realise Guillo's vote didn't count to put them on the edge...
Why does Guillo losing their vote to the posting rule make you think we've lost majority?TemporalLich wrote:Also I highly suspect we have lost majority due to guillo being silenced
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Hi guys, here is daily post.
You guys seeking to save Samantha haven't thought this through.
As long as Samantha is alive, im vanillalized so now that i think about it, scum will not kill Samantha or me if Samantha is indeed town. They will kill the other remaining slots who surely have power roles, power roles unknown to them. That means Temporal, and whoever is actually town and indies.
You guys know im right, anyone who randed town should have realized this by now. I'm only a threat to scum if my voice is heard by town but im no threat whatsoever in the current state of the game where im not being heard and followed and where im vanillalized.
Whether Samantha is scum or town, she needs die. If scum well, because she is scum, if town, because she is a negative utility for us, players who choose the types of roles she chose for this game should be policy yeeted.
Let's yeet Samantha and then kill the remaining scum.
CaptainS as much as i want him to be scum, he is TWTBW and he is also a derp deserving a derp clear, so im not killing there after I kill Mahi. Im never killing A50 because he and I mindmeld in how we see the game state and how we should proceed.
Flea is either a non killing scum hinting that they got a killing power role too to trick us into keeping Samantha alive out of fear for them, very unlikely because why they'd out like that.
Or, they are town trying lure the nightkill to them.
Or an indy whose win condition is to save someone, like a guarding angel. (This is why i can't afford to confirm who i will want to kill because Flea could save Mahi to fulfill their wincon, screwing us in the process).
To me the deepwolf is in KidAmn and Raya. Raya's scum equity has risen considerably this day.
So i will kill in Mahi, KidAmn and Raya group tonight if we yeet Samantha. Most likely Mahi but not guaranteed (sorry flea).
As far as trusting me goes. Unlike Samantha, ive been playing pro-town all game. Samantha has not, you need to get your priorities straight if you are town.-
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And if they are town they will be willing to take one for the team.In post 1764, samantha97 wrote:I mean he promised to target one of 3 people whose votes you need to enable him to do it...
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This game is so dead. Smh. That's what happens with posting restriction rules that mafia can exploit. Live and learn for the next one host.
As long as mafia can get away with posting less than me, I'll keep getting my vote silenced. So this system benefits the team that would rather lay low than to contribute. Truly scum sided design.
mahi know they are dying tonight, if I was scum i would be voting me too.-
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Bruh, the only kills that are taking place come from scum. This plan sucks for scum or gamethrowers.In post 1797, KidAmn wrote:
Oh fuck off. This plan sucks for me because it sucks for town. Less kills gives us more time to scumhunt in thread, more time for other PRs to find scum via other means, Flea hasIn post 1794, Guillotina wrote:VOTE: KidAmn
We got him! The plan to unvanillalize the town's vigilante sucks for him.clearlybeen hinting at something that removing Samantha makes worse or at best more unpredictable, and you're about as trustworthy as a fox in a henhouse and thinking about as clearly as Matt Gaetz with $900 burning a hole in his pocket.
Scum hunting? Look at the thread, there has been two-three pages so far for Day 4 with no scumhunting from any of you at all. Where is your scumhunting? Where are your reads? Where are your cases?
You got non going for you, you are just enabling parties like Samantha to exist getting in our way to our wincon.
And im as trustworthy as a town with a cold head can be, if you are town you shouldnt be afraid, if you are scum, be very very afraid, cause im scum's worse nightmare if i am not vanillalized.
Raya vote Samantha. I kill Mahi tonight, scum kills me tonight, you yeet KidAmn tomorrow.-
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Nice shading, scum.In post 1800, KidAmn wrote:wHy ArEnT yOu ScUmHuNtInG mOrE says local man who has made today all about whether we give him free reign to kill as he pleases or not
Let me break it for you since you still dont realize what is at stake here.
Have you noticed that no one has been talking about anything else? That is because scum is using the posting restriction rules to silence our votes and get away with no contributing much. The design of this game is pro-scum because it penalizes scumhunting and game solving on the go (as you have to wait for interactions to get going so you can then multiquote and wallpost, but there cant be interactions going if town leaders have to limit their posting so we dont get penalized) and rewards active lurking.
Take for instance CaptainS, he's been reading the game thread, you know this because he laughed to your flame on me in the other post. To laugh to that you gotta know the context and you only acquire context by reading, so the guy is intentionally reading and lurking in the thread without contributing at all.
Everyone else in my PoE has stayed relatively quiet. Why do you think is that? Be ause they want me to end up posting more than them so i can be silenced again tomorrow if i survive.
THIS GAME IS NOT DESIGNED FOR SCUMHUNTING
This leaves one option and only one option for town.
Solving by mechanical means! That means through the usage of our roles, without being vanillalized i can GUARANTEE giving you a lot to talk about tomorrow with one single action. Because i can either kill Mahi tonight or missile myself and kill my attacker.AS OPPOSED TOleaving Sam alive and letting scumstart killing unblockedtown prs.
I've been playing tjis game for 20 years, i know a pro-scum design when i see one.
Samantha's role (if real) is a trap set up by the host, we have to choose to kill the town naturalist so we can start solving the game.
If Samantha was town, she would have let us know that she was a naturalist so the rest of us could adapt to the new condition and strategize around it, but she kept quite and ONLY brought it up after Vaxkiller was killed, whom cast suspicion on her on Day 3!
Which allows me to conclude that she willingly decided to become a negative utility for town so she could have her way of how she wanted the game to progress, weakening town's mechanical solve prowess.
OR
The naturalist is a fake claim and she has been my roleblocker all along.-
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Ok. First if we are gonna play, attack the play, don’t attack me. I don’t appreciate the comments you are making about my maturity and my experience. Don’t call me a noobie when i’ve been playing this since way before there was forums for werewolves games.
Do I believe Ircher intentionally made a pro-scum design? I don’t know him, but between not vetoing the naturalist role and the posting restrictions I do believe that he at the very least forgot why we all play mafia, to have fun! It’s poor design to vanillalize one or more several players since before the game started, so if that role claim is true, Ircher allowed to frustrate the fun one or more players, so ONE player can have fun with her chosen role.
This is poor design and the naturalist gotta be a fake claim or Ircher majorly fucked up this one.
You are scum claiming by choosing to place a vote on someone that is not gonna get traction. You are going against what the majority of what town wants and needs.
You said that i haven been playing pro town and yet i have:
1) Cased Korina as scum on day 1, even when half the player list was townreading him and i even almost got yeeted for it.
2) I targeted to kill Korina on night 1. If not for Samantha, VFP would have been still town aligned on Day 2, we wouldnt have wasted Day 2 yeeting Korina.
3) I produce reactions with my posts, i make people talk which is great for town as we need all the info we can get.
4) I’ve cased my scum reads throughly. Korina, CaptainS, Samantha all have been cased, i havent called them scum out of thin air.
5) I’ve figured out that there is at least one scum between you and Raya and I need Samantha’s flip to figure it out.
6) I targeted to kill CaptainS on night 2, whether I’m wrong about that decision or not i guess we’ll find out eventually, but YOU ARE VOTING HIM now.
7) I targeted to kill between Raya and you last night and ended up on you.
Whether i was right or not we will find out eventually but I think I was right by how defensive you are getting in a very hostile way.
Samantha placed you and Raya in her scum list and if she flips wolf, one of you is a wolf and she tried to distance from one of you is my theory. I don’t think in a 13-players set up there are 3 scum, 1 alien and 1 cult leader because then we never had a chance. There is only two scum in this set up.-
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Kid, have you hosted games?In post 1805, KidAmn wrote:You... really don't understand UPicks, do you. We are only guaranteed 7 town as the minimum Ircher set when he rolled the setup. The numbers you just described are perfectly possible.
I have and I’ve designed and hosted unbalanced games. Yes, ive hosted poorly designed games, not on purpose of course, i just failed to see certain scenarios that i thought they most likely will not happen and yet, they did happen. Faction numbers is never one of them.
I don’t believe for a minute that Ircher would veto roles that were game breaking snd yet would allow a game with 6 anti-town parties, pro-scum posting restriction rules, a naturalist and an irresponsible townie with army surplus!
No guys...there is a max of 4 anti-town parties here. The cult leader alone plus factional kills plus the fail mahi yeets would have put us at mylo by now in an universe where Korina plays to his wincon and dont get himself chopped so easily, do you think a reputable host risks that. No, just no.-
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Don't look at me, I tried to kill Mahi and this time I got nothing back.In post 1817, Raya36 wrote:Guillo...-
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About what exactly?
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That was not for you Temporal, that was for Mahi. I targeted Mahi, he didn't die.In post 1826, TemporalLich wrote:
I'm town, and guess what you justIn post 1824, Guillotina wrote:Yah sure, you are worse than a treestump, we can't kill you, we can't take your word for anything, we can't trust that you will vote to benefit us but you still count as a player that we need to get rid of to win.
Like what the hell are you?scumslipped
pedit: you said you were going to target mahi last night