Mini Theme 2212: Ircher's Grand Idea Mafia: SCUM WIN

[Ircher]

A full list of roles from my Grand Idea ISO is given here. Anything not on that list is almost certainly a fake claim.

[Ircher]

VOTE: VFP

[Ircher]

My apologies for not having any dolphins. I will try to rectify that in the future.

[Ircher]

No, we appear to still be at 5/11.

pedit:
VOTE: Maruchan

[Ircher]

VOTE: VFP
VOTE: VFP
VOTE: Korina
VOTE: Maruchan
VOTE: Flea
VOTE: VFP
VOTE: Maruchan
VOTE: VFP

[Ircher]

I don't have any Pi voters, no, but I have a ton of other fun voting roles!

[Ircher]

VOTE: Korina

[Ircher]

SirCakez has a 50% chance of being Werewolf by his role.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Flea This is not real thought.

How can you say it does not benefit us at all if we are uninformed. Im not asking anyone to claim what roles they got, but their four submission picks? Why not? This way we limit scum on what roles they can possibly claim.

Or... We could wait and have people claim whether they submitted X role when someone claims... Obviously, this doesn't work if people decide to lie, but it does seem better than giving scum the full list of roles immediately.

If anyone share their original picks, i will give them access to my Continental Hotel benefits, which are:

1) Free day 1 townread
2) I will not consider targeting you tonight.
3) My eternal gratitude.

I will go ahead share two of mine: I submitted both a Town Octuplet Voter and a Werewolf Octuplet Voter. The fade should thus be between SirCakez and the other octuplet voter as those are the only octuplet voters in my entire ISO.

God damn it! I will not make an alt ever again, im too dumb to play on one.

Don't worry; I already knew who you were since you signed up for the game.

Can someone help me with this? I am not going to search the whole thing for the reason. I just have Ircher's list of roles and I dunno what causes this 3.125

Hint: 0.125 = 1/

8

Do we just massclaim?

Not yet, my friend, not yet.

VFP - 2.125 - xz03yx, Flea The Magician, Ircher
Vaxkiller - 0 -
Robert M Hunter - 0 -
T3 - 0 -
SirCakez - 1.125 - Asteria, xz03yx

So yeah, we should fade between xz03yx and SirCakez.

[Ircher]

VOTE: xz03yx

[Ircher]

Do you think we have Werewolves and no Mafia?

I think Maruchan just combined all anti-town roles into a single faction. Thus, we could have a large number of anti-town roles in this setup. (Also, in case others haven't noticed yet, the rules state that this game IS NOT multiball. There is only a single group scum faction.)

Also, what's a Town Hurter? (I know.. I can check the role in the GIM thread, and will probably do if forced to, but it's easier to ask here since you are the one who submitted it)

(You say this as if I remember all my roles off the top of my head...) In this particular case, I do happen to know what that one does: everyone is given 10 HP, and that player can use the HURT: Hurt tags to cause players to lose 1 HP. If I recall correctly, hurters are limited to 7 hurts a day. If your Hp is reduced to zero, you automatically die.

You know what? NVM

VOTE: A50

Ewww a self vote. There are so many other options out there, why are you picking this one?

[Ircher]

I'm not so convinced. It's early game; people will understand that voting reasons are pretty weak rn since there isn't much to go off by. I kind of think you're attempting to play it too safe here.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Asteria

[Ircher]

VOTE: Flea

[Ircher]

yup

the threshold is exactly platersAlive/2 so if 2 players are at E-1, multihammer time.

Are we wanting to do this D1 though?

wait
with multiple octuplet voters we can do a multihammer
my role explicitly says this

According to the VC, it took 7 votes to achieve a fade at the time these posts were made, so this does not appear to be the case. (This is in response to both posts I quoted.)

So we only have WW's to look for then?

No. Scum can be mafia, werewolf, whatever. They have just been combined into one big faction.

also sweet, ircher conftown

Uh, I'm not conftown?!?!?! What makes you say that?

(so is cakez before anyone comments)

How come does this come across as an afterthought/to save your hide kind of statement? SirCakez is mechanically confirmed town unless someone else submitted octuplet voters, which is doubtful. I don't get why you say I'm conftown but then say that Cakez is conftown in a parenthetical. It should be the other way around.

Ircher scum then there's 100% scum in Guil or Flea.

Eh, I can buy Lustice promoting me to a town read for that, even if it is somewhat shaky reasoning/shallow analysis. I agree though that Flea reads off.

Care to explain, oh mighty Bubbles?

(Your sarcasm is duly noted.)

Are you claiming the vig?

Yes

(Noting in my ISO...)

ya'll forgetting about the fact ircher gave us the info to out scum, and voted scum?

Thats as good as for me.

That's still not a mechanical confirmation of my alignment, which is what most people take conftown to mean. You can say that I'm likely town or that I'm town for D1 based on that, but it's still not the level of conftown.

Are you the third party by any chance?

Why are you assuming there is a 3rd party in this game?

Love how nobody is challenging the logic I've used though. seems oppotunistic to me.

I didn't add a comment with my vote earlier because I find it more convenient to comment in bulk later. Leaving a naked vote also helps with gauging reactions anyway. Yours for instance doesn't inspire confidence that you truly are town. You're already on the defensive as if you know you're guilty.

UNLESS a lone WW is considered "self-alined" in Maruchan's book... OR -as Ircher had pointed out- the whole "Scum" team is composed of different bad "individuals" (i.e. a WW, a Mafioso, a ???.. etc) amd each was going to kill with a different flavour (which justifies the quote if you think about it WHY such a quote was phrased the way it is)

You know... You could ask the mod about this (like I did pregame)...

VOTE: VFP

Can you elaborate on this? I think out of Flea vs. VFP, VFP has been the townier of the two.

You targeted ircher here for having more info than us,

Tbf to VFP, I'm pretty sure that was an RVS-style comment. The fact you are reading into it this much has me a bit worried.

Call me crazy but VFP and Flea sound like S v S.

I'm not sure about that.

[Ircher]

That still doesn't

guarantee

there is a third party in the game.

[Ircher]

That still doesn't

guarantee

there is a third party in the game.

And? Have I guaranteed it?

Yes. You asked if Robert was

the

third party, rather than

a

third party. Call it semantics all you want, but the use of the article "the" implies there is one.

[Ircher]

looking for a replacement for VFP.

[Ircher]

Honestly, the vig should probably just shoot Lustice. There's a nonzero chance it is scum anyway.

[Ircher]

Which players haven't claimed their role order? I know I haven't claimed mine.

I thought we agreed we weren't doing this unless it could out scum immediately?

I guess we're claiming picks now:
-town compulsive hidden N1 RC N2 tracker (etc)
-town D1 vig, N1 vig, D2 gunsmith (etc)
-mafia restricted joat
-cult leader

Did everyone seriously submit vigilante? Come on, there's plenty of other cool roles to choose. Like an Egotist for instance.

Aight instead of me reading why don’t someone just give me the rundown of the highlights of the day so far.

Happy scum day!

Anyway, that's easy:

1) I noted that there's only two octuplet voters in my entire ISO and I submitted both of them as possible roles. One is werewolf and one is town.
2) A wagon forms on xz, one of the two octuplet voters in this game. The other is SirCakez.
3) A day vig privately shoots xz for a mafia flip.
4) Flea decides to conftown both SirCakez (100% reasonable) and me (very ???) based off the xz flip.
6) VFP and Lustice Justice get into an argument. One of them replaced out.

That about covers everything worth noting.

[Maruchan]

"HEY I SHOULD BE CONFTOWN TOO!"
"sorry mi'lud, i agree, you're conftown"

gross exaggeration but you get the vibe.

Gross exaggeration indeed. I'm not super convinced by the Asteria reads. Sure, she doesn't have too much substance, but I can't really fault her for that. I am having as much trouble gathering reads here.

FFS! I quoted 386 (3 posts above) in my 388 (the post above) and it says my quote is from 387 (Flea's post) in between, although the test is correct.

Let this be a lesson to mods everywhere: never delete posts once someone has replied to the post. It causes strange glitches like this.
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I'll try to be back with something more substantial tomorrow. I realize this is really lacking.

i deleted the reply *first* so I thought as logn as I was attempting to delete the most recent post in-thread there would be no issues. It actually wouldn't let me delete the second post that was the then-most-recent-post and threw all kind of SQL errors. I think this is related to that tbh.

[Ircher]

I agree with Almost50. That looked like a hammer to me.

I guess we'll wait for Maru, but if that attempted hammer was false, I think we should fade Italiano for the attempted quickhammer.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Italiano

[Ircher]

Asteria - 3 - Almost50, SirCakez, T3, Flea The Magician, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, ItalianoVD

@MOD: Even without Itaiano's vote, this looks like it is at least four votes.

[Ircher]

I think I know what is, but I want Italiano to claim it himself. If I am correct, he should have no reason to hide his role.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Flea

Italiano seems to have used their role in a pro-town manner to me, so I'm a bit disinclined to go there. That being said, I should probably just go ahead and claim the rest of my picks.

As we are all aware, two of mine were the octuplet voters, 1 werewolf and 1 town.
For my other town one, I submitted Town Voteless Hurter (post #8822).
For my free pick, I submitted Mafia Compulsive Restricted Unvoter (post #4647). I did not submit the town equivalent, but it is very possible someone else did, and I think Italiano would be caught later on if they are indeed scum, so I don't see as much to gain there as we did with the Octuplet voters. At any rate, if Italiano is scum, he can't help his partners quickhammer.

[Ircher]

You forgot to include self.

Mafia claim here seems?

This is very weak, and you should feel bad for making this kind of post.

I've actually not seen a really substantial post from you. You had the claims compilation, but that's the only thing worth noting.

Also im getting a feeling that scum is comfortable with Asteria's wagon. There is no push back.

Eh, wasn't Flea kind of a counterwagon? I do think it built up rather quickly, but that seems the new normal.

Works for me
VOTE: T3

It would be useful if you offered more of substance than you have been, rather than mindlessly sheeping anything that isn't you.

[Ircher]

Flea The Magician - 2 - Ircher, Flea The Magician, Asteria

@MOD: Should this be 3?

[Ircher]

HURT WITH A BLADE: Flea

Come on folks, this is still scum. The fact that fae're voting me rn is rather telling; fae could've tested on No Fade instead if fae were really interested in doing such.

[Ircher]

I hate everyone who is still thinking there's a vote stealer. It shows you are either not reading or do not care to research the claim.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Maruchan
I would not be opposed to an Enchant fade.

[Ircher]

I assume fading the mod doesn't end the day in most cases, but let's see:

@MOD:If we attempt to fade the moderator, does the day end? This is being asked under the assumption that no roles in the setup makes the moderator a valid target for fades.

[Ircher]

Well that's a lot of kills....

[Ircher]

I think we should mass claim. Since Cakez is still confirmed town, he can pick who goes first.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Maruchan

[Ircher]

No lim sounds like a bad idea to me. Too many risks involved; we don't know the size of the remaining scum team, etc.

[Ircher]

Come on Almost50.

Besides, the mod promised the day won't end.

[Ircher]

Also, I wasn't mad at Flea. Fae was just obvious scum.

[Ircher]

Uh, if it's 3:2, we also lose by no limming.

[Ircher]

No, I'm good

I'm highly tempted to vote you for this alone.

[Ircher]

Asteria claim. Cakex is conftown so he can choose claim order.

[Ircher]

Asteria claim. Cakex is conftown so he can choose claim order.

Ok

Town Untargetable Modified Deathproof Strong-Willed Strongman

If you are telling the truth, I would be very surprised that didn't get vetoed. I know that's rich coming from me (seeing as I just let an unkillable player in my last GIM), but I got a lot of flack for including that and the one I allowed didn't really have other powers. Inventors aren't that rare (especially compared to roles that can kill untargetable roles).

[Ircher]

I was doctor and tried to protect Robert, but it seems my protection failed.

[Ircher]

Does anyone ever submit Vanilla townie?

[Ircher]

Asteria and maybe you if there's still 2 scum left. Your claim is very ???.

[Ircher]

Not hammering

[Ircher]

Oh well I guess we won't get any more VCs...

[Ircher]

and 4 of them to not yeet somebody.

Wait has this always been the case?

@MOD Is this a typo?

[Ircher]

She's probably scum. That's why she hasn't been hammered.

[Ircher]

VOTE: End Game

[Ircher]

VOTE: Asteria

[Ircher]

I was a bit worried there at the end that Asteria was actually deathproof. Hence why I didn't immediately hammer. I eventually decided the potential benefits outweighed the risks of a no lim occurring.

[Ircher]

Thanks for modding Maruchan. I enjoyed the game.

[Ircher]

Honestly with as many vigs as town had, I actually think the setup was somewhat decent for town. Better than I've seen in other setups.