Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Ydrasse]

yang,

how are you today?

VOTE: pooky Die.

[Ydrasse]

pooky youre a madman

[Ydrasse]

tweet youre losing your touch.....

[Ydrasse]

guys i think that "yang" is actually zelda

[Ydrasse]

norwee's swinging his little baby fists

[Ydrasse]

give em the 1 2 norwee

[Ydrasse]

@

Yang

My way-too-early-obligatory D2 solve is Ydrasse-MorningTweet-Flea

Am I the best scumhunter eva?

scum pooky shaking rn getting rid of biggest town threats

[Ydrasse]

ive never seen norwee so exuberant before

VOTE: norwee

[Ydrasse]

okay that's cute actually

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

@

Yang

My way-too-early-obligatory D2 solve is Ydrasse-MorningTweet-Flea

Am I the best scumhunter eva?

scum pooky shaking rn getting rid of biggest town threats

Since when am I even remotely a threat? o.o

FLEA BIGGEST TOWN CARRY 202X

[Ydrasse]

fLEA VOTE scum rn

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: ydrasse

norwee made me laugh, i can give him a townlean for now.

i can make you laugh too, consider it an iou? see, look how funny i look, imagine what i could say

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

A

[Ydrasse]

=D

[Ydrasse]

fLEA VOTE scum rn

VOTE: Tanner

ok now

why tanner

speak to me

[Ydrasse]

mine (:

[Ydrasse]

you need to type that first part with different capitalization and timing because it made me heart cringe

[Ydrasse]

no. no i dont think i will

[Ydrasse]

i’m town

[Ydrasse]

fucking nerds

[Ydrasse]

nya nya

[Ydrasse]

glad chara has two hands and i get to hold one

i’d kill to play any sort of pokémon tabletop or just be in an rp group for it in general

[Ydrasse]

Would anyone like to worldbuild a pokémon universe with me

[Ydrasse]

): i just want to rp my hero’s journey raising idk. a cinccino

[Ydrasse]

i would never want to be the trainer only the frail pokemon built up to be strong and be cared for

[Ydrasse]

Aww! It appeared to be caught!

[Ydrasse]

so true

[Ydrasse]

i guess norwee is town he was swinging those fists

[Ydrasse]

my unvote was entirely based on thinking norwee was being sweet

[Ydrasse]

little baffled frankly that even me voting was seen as solving when my mood this game has been whimsical

[Ydrasse]

yes i like to kill people for being happy you got me

[Ydrasse]

he likes mocking me

[Ydrasse]

i’m town btw

[Ydrasse]

*twirls hair in a pr fashion*

[Ydrasse]

i don’t have one

[Ydrasse]

it’s more interesting to point out that flea tacked out a comment about the mechanics after talking about their irl stuff (which i love mind you) imo than just saying fae cares about xyz becuase clearly fae does have some degree of seriousness going on

[Ydrasse]

like i didn’t notice until i read fleas last post that they had said as much which is ?

idk i would have just made another post for a divide btwn Real and Fun times

[Ydrasse]

i’m cute that’s why

[Ydrasse]

where are my town pings

[Ydrasse]

hi clidd !!

[Ydrasse]

Yin

, how many factions are there?

[Ydrasse]

amy saying yang would be obviously town aligned made me question the alignments in a different way

the possibilities are like, town/mafia, but i don’t know if we should put stock into one as definitively one or another as they might be their own independent things...?

[Ydrasse]

like i think it could be like

town/mafia
town/mafia/yin/yang
town/yin+yang...?

[Ydrasse]

344 is too audacious for scum!tanner to make given his play style and feelings towards scum from what i know of him. from him that’s a towny post

[Ydrasse]

coordinating questions seems dumb unless you feel you have a question that is important to have answered sooner rather than later.

by being free form you can see people’s motivations and thought processes about how they’re approaching the game. overwriting that stymies scumhunting

[Ydrasse]

like i think it could be like

town/mafia
town/mafia/yin/yang
town/yin+yang...?

Based on 143

I would think Yin and Yang would be unaligned.

So, I think the first or second, more likely than the third but it’s Hectic, so anything could be possible.

it’s more likely that they’re unaligned yeah but going back to the theory of yin and yang they’re like also... opposites keeping balance i guess which when i think about it i can still see as being aligned in a weird way

you’re right tho less likely

[Ydrasse]

oh you gave me an idea amy

[Ydrasse]

i’m fine with one or two but going farther to leash everything feels detrimental so ya

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: infinity

this feels weird coming off of how mafiascum rpg went also infinity you sound ...? idk how to word it

[Ydrasse]

mech was more defined and we had a concrete base to work with in that game

[Ydrasse]

That's my point

yes so ... i assume it’s more likely tweet tries to solve the mech here to some degree because it’s an unknown vs being able to solve better in rpg becuase there’s less time needed to actually figure out a mech mystery

also the fact that her model of not strong early game exists very much and did in that game so. yeah.

[Ydrasse]

i have an idea of how you play @mt but also have an idea or rather assumption that infinity should recognize these things and not jump to the vote that readily

[Ydrasse]

also she didn’t have any gutpings about you when she voted you which especially early game i attribute to infinity

[Ydrasse]

i don't know how to play as town anymore ;_;

[Ydrasse]

i wonder if yang is allowed endless posts per day but yin only gets one

[Ydrasse]

i think that kinda makes sense given the... quality of content?

[Ydrasse]

carry me pooky

[Ydrasse]

i kinda wanna veto robert as being an elim today

he’s only ever going to look scummy imo rather than especially towny with his current rate of content and he feels like someone who if he’s town is easy to steamroll? (i noticed the datisi thing as well but i didn’t find it nai in the whole of it)

like he could be scum but he also doesn’t tell us much

maybe this is pre emptive fear of dawdling too much and settling on a just okay elim close to deadline

don’t ask me who i want more right now because it was infinity but i should reread her

[Ydrasse]

i feel like saying x is going to be flipped eventually is a dangerous sentiment because... why?

[Ydrasse]

actually like ik you started that with “if he’s scum” as in yes we will flip him eventually but

your vote on him feels gross

and didn’t come with explanation until asked later

VOTE: satoru

[Ydrasse]

why do you think he’s a bait? as in why won’t town be able to see scum pushing a badpush on him

if you feel this way about his slot i think you would’ve been more forthright with what you meant in order to actually get him elimmed rather than slapping down a vote passively and only visiting it when asked

[Ydrasse]

weak

[Ydrasse]

ircher is a really stupid vote LMAO

[Ydrasse]

i think i remember someone recalling his scum performance (clidd?) in nancy v titus as similar here and i want to ask what in the fucking world. where.

[Ydrasse]

there was a very distinct /slimy/ quality for lack of a better word or really.. political in play? ircher felt like that there

[Ydrasse]

ircher isn’t shmoozing or like... doing much of anything. he’s literally doing the opposite of things whereas in nancy v titus he was doing a lot as was his hydra partner like there was effort there to keep trying and churn out content to influence things which i see nothing of atm from him

[Ydrasse]

ircher is a really stupid vote LMAO

Your face is a stupid vote.

Don’t make me bully you again u BABY

[Ydrasse]

. was it town ircher?

i thought clidd said scum

IM SORRY CLIDD

[Ydrasse]

regardless ircher voters go away

[Ydrasse]

clidd just felt so scummy in nancy v titus it’s bleeding into this game and i’m doubting him ;_;

[Ydrasse]

learn 2 read me better

[Ydrasse]

vote satoru

[Ydrasse]

i’m an ego warrior this game

pedit bout to be 0% after this game

[Ydrasse]

irfhwrs lack of a presence is all i need

[Ydrasse]

ircher is harder to wagon imo because of reputation but that’s assumption

my phone hates me

[Ydrasse]

are you serious?

[Ydrasse]

lol whatever

[Ydrasse]

imagine me having a read i feel confident in for once and everyone’s like nahhhh

[Ydrasse]

w/e later have fun dealing with this

[Ydrasse]

i find it insane that people are voting based on info we don’t know to trust

@chara i was irritated but less so right now it’s just frustrating to see that and it felt like a little jab at me despite what i was saying even if i know you don’t do that sort of thing

[Ydrasse]

:/

[Ydrasse]

imagine being right that robert was lhf

z z z z z z

[Ydrasse]

glad he was townier than my expectations held

[Ydrasse]

mt day1 town block with me

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: infinity

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck. if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

[Ydrasse]

Extraordinarily towny post, Ydrasse.

<3 ty

(also my read on you i should be clear is town-lite, i think. i was going to make a tierlist but got lazy.)

VOTE: infinity

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck. if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

Are you more confident on Nakata or Infinity?

I still can’t tell with Ircher.

I’m going to wait and see how Infinty responds because I think her reaction should hopefully be very telling but yeah I agree. I did think him pushing Infnity/me then you over Infinity was strange because her vote on him objectively looked the worst.

i'm more confident on nakata and i'm pissed that i lost my post where i broke down why but, he's a lot more scummy in a vacuum; infinity was nullscum for me and i was reminded of that by the fact that nakata like... brought her to my attention with his lack of voting on her. lol. she wasn't doing much of anything except making some posts that i didn't like but they were forgettable posts.

but i think that nakata's push on his voters (which i feel is very opportunistic; shift to xyz as maybe scum, i pick this one as probably town, these two bad but not with great reasoning and this one is scum but not going there, and then interact with one of the people a bit who i thought was bad but not with great reasoning, oh, they are pushing back let's move that bad-read onto someone else, feels ingenuine. like, maybe he really is re-evaluating but shrug!)

[Ydrasse]

I meant Tweetie not Infinty.

I didn’t understand why Nakata was pushing Tweetie - than me - than you but not Infinity when she had the worst vote on him.

i think the reasons to push mt so far aren't great so, that's part of why i'm zero'd in on other things

I feel bad about mis-reading Infinity in the last game I played with her :< (we were T/T)

She does feel a bit scummier than usual but that's always been par for the course early

yeah infinity does tend to get pushed early d1 but she usually shakes off what's like, her struggling to get into the game with ~gutpings and actual interaction but she's not... doing that this game. idk i'm the first to try to kill her LMAO but i also had moments in previous games where i've doubted my reasons to scumread her and so far she hasn't done anything that's especially towny

maybe i have too high expectations but also like, do something pls

[Ydrasse]

i’d reckon that the alt is partially why datisi’s tone is more distant

[Ydrasse]

Nakata has not been lying! Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne wants Nakata to say when she says "are you going to bother explaining to me why I'm wrong"! Nakata thinks his posts are clearly from a town perspective because Nakata is town.

Maybe Amy Dunne is a friend and the scum pushing him are Ydrasse and Morning Tweet. If that's the case, Amy Dunne should unvote Nakata and help him push them instead.

Nakata thinks he may have been wrong on Amy Dunne and she might be a friend. If Amy Dunne were scum Nakata is not sure why should would let up on him now.

i got the feeling satoru regretted going after you from these posts and wanted to engage, @amy, but i also don't think he really believed that you were scum so ya know

[Ydrasse]

like you have a very ... strong reaction to being pushed on no offence but if you seemed viable at the time (and i think you were before you actually started interacting with him) i understand why a scum!satoru would go for it before realizing.

[Ydrasse]

hi chara!

[Ydrasse]

...

oops

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: satoru

>_>

[Ydrasse]

amy, genuine question: how is it problematic to do what he did, and why would pooky not do something that was easy if it's like... like what's the issue?

[Ydrasse]

okay, well

i'm not trying to be rude by saying this but i don't think that reason is going to hold weight with anyone else here so like, if you actually have other reasons for pooky to be town it'd be nice to hear them so you can convince /us/

[Ydrasse]

can you towncase him a bit for me please, amy?

[Ydrasse]

I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>

Pooky wouldn’t say this to me as scum here, he just wouldn’t.

is this your only reason for him being town?

[Ydrasse]

i've seen some really charming villain bears

anyways, i asked because i was null on pooky and hearing "he wouldn't do x" doesn't convince me personally so, like, idk. it's small but knowing that it's not based just in "nope nope he wouldnt do this" is nice to know exists

[Ydrasse]

could u indulge me in what ur read is on me @tanner

[Ydrasse]

uh. could you answer that question regarding me first? i've been waiting for you to express a read on me because i think that might be useful for me to read you, but you keep Not doing that.

it's intentional for many reasons but the main for you is because i started off this game really annoyed at you and i thought it better to Not engage like that for everyone's benefit. that and the statement i made earlier about you not reading me correctly was based in the memory of that normal game where you were scum and townread me which like, to me was "why can't he see what he's seeing here"

you're middle of the pack for me right now. i find it harder to discern you through tone because my impression of you as town is like, no offence, a bit messy and all over the place from your notes pts even if you don't put that into main threads for games all the time, here you're more contained.

actually, going through your iso now i don't know if you would continuously push robert unless you're scum with like, satoru/infinity together? it feels like there's stuff People Can Do to look towny when they're scum but doubling down on something that people aren't going for anymore feels like a waste of time and also risks looking performative when it's an... outlier of a read, i guess, or a wagon compared to the competing ones atm, and i don't think that you as scum would continue pushing this just for the sake of it? this is basically boiling down to you're genuine about the robert read. which uh, don't tell anyone but i've been keeping some of my reads close to chest and my robert one's dwindled a little bit because of 1153. in the moment i took his emotion as like, real town irritation but you're right that it looks like a pattern based on pressure, but i disagree that "everyone sounds town" is a scummy mindset bc i just played a game where... like everyone basically sounded town to me and i was floundering lol. i think i'm more interest in limming robert if satoru does flip scum tho bc the strength of the read on just one person feels more like scum only able to pinpoint scumminess in a partner and not into that for d1. also like if we flip robert and he's town like, i still go to satoru most likely and ya. sorry this became another case on killilng satoru.

also despite the tone issue i have w you on this alt 1157 does actually sound like the sort of... floundering that i expect from you as town and idk if you would think to make a post like that on this alt and while pushing something that's not going anywhere. it feels like a moment where you slipped into who you actually ~~are which i think? would be harder for scum!datisi to do.

so, i guess townlean after i sat down and actually thought about it instead of powerleveling in wow

[Ydrasse]

I have to agree with the Ircher wagon. I wouldn't call it trolling like some others did, but he seems to flutter above the game in trying to avoid sinking into it.

VOTE: Ircher

what the fuck lmao

[Ydrasse]

okay, response to ydra wall.

it's intentional for many reasons but the main for you is because i started off this game really annoyed at you and i thought it better to Not engage like that for everyone's benefit. that and the statement i made earlier about you not reading me correctly was based in the memory of that normal game where you were scum and townread me which like, to me was "why can't he see what he's seeing here"

first, why did you get annoyed at me? and i don't understand what the second part means. when i was scum, i wasn't townreading you. i *said* in the thread of that game that i was townreading you, because i thought that was the best path to take with you, but, uh, that was me bullshitting. i didn't have a read on you, i knew you were town. if i know someone's alignment (e.g. because they're not in the scum pt with me), my brain doesn't even parse through their posts for ai info. like, i'll

read

them, but i won't be getting anything from them. and sorry, that last quoted sentence completely lost me.

but i disagree that "everyone sounds town" is a scummy mindset bc i just played a game where... like everyone basically sounded town to me and i was floundering lol.

i think there's a difference between "everyone sounds town, what do i do" and "everyone sounds town, except conveniently these top wagons, i will not put any thought into this at all". like, it feels like the second part.

alright. i think your take on me here is like, much more nuanced than when you were scum vs me, which is also where my scumread stemmed from your read on me sounding like extremely forced paranoia. so by that, i'd say i'm leaning town. however, you also *know* that's what i hated, so if you did roll scum against me again, i imagine you'd be much more careful about your read on me.

also, what's really REALLY worrying me is that you seem to be trying to find every excuse under the sun to not vote robert. like, something just rings extremely

wrong

about you not even considering the possibility that this is scum!robert bullshitting a read on a town player that almost everyone scumreads, and instead going straight down into the "if robert is scum, then his read on nakata is tmi, therefore we should vote nakata first anyway". because, that explanation feels... counter-intuitive? to the point where it feels like a fabricated thought process meant as an excuse to not vote robert.

typing this out reminded me how earlier in the game i said that if robert flipped scum i'd deathtunnel you, and going back to check it out again, that still holds. this doesn't feel right.

so, to answer your question: my read on you is town, if we're going by the depth of your thought processes, the nuance you're showing in your read on me, etc. but uh, the actual things you're pushing are not giving me positive feelings. so i don't know, make of that what you will.

1) whether or not you were genuinely reading me, my experience that game was that i believed you were town, that was townreading me -- and that translated into an instinctual "what the fuck, why can't he read me right" moment for me where i felt that you HAD read me right as town before and just weren't doing it here. it was something that was based on memory that just... wasn't true. but i was annoyed because i had the perception that you should have a basis for reading me and i find it annoying when people are like "ya scum" to me when i'm like... "what am i doing that's scummy." + i just had the same experience in forest fire before i repped out

2) re robert: ...i'm just baffled as fuck by him right now more than anything because i don't understand his thought processes at all, and everything about *him* feels counter intuitive to me, like the ircher vote which i just don't know *why.* it's so... aloof? like "oh am i voting your scumbuddy" that it's hard to process. but there are things about robert that i think like.. him, turning onto his defenders, right. i feel that it's townier to do that and risk alienating them at the risk of solving correctly. or it's too much wifom for scum!robert to bother with in this game, maybe? like earlier i thought that satoru's push on him was weird and lazy and i was like "no, this shouldn't go through" because i was kind of miffed about it coming across as low effort. i wasn't seeing what people were seeing in robert but like... i'm starting to ~get it~ i guess but not to the extent where i want to vote him today. i want to vote satoru and it's not so much that i'm avoiding reasons to vote robert as *i have preferences that are not robert in satoru/infinity and would go on robert, i guess*. my read on satoru is confident where as robert i'm "ehhh".

have you said anything abt why satoru isn't a good vote today? i skimmed over your iso and uh, didn't do as much due diligence on that front but i don't understand why you don't want to go there today

[Ydrasse]

ah

hm

[Ydrasse]

so i just had the thought related to him being baffling, and the thought is that "i read his posts and feel like he's playing an entirely different game right now"

and in the context of a silent star game i actually dont know what to do with that

[Ydrasse]

We could policy-elim Robert, but meh.

if i'm voting robert it's bc i feel good about him flipping maf not because it's policy. no.

[Ydrasse]

in the interests of not keeping you up if you're wating for a reply i'll write something more succinct if i feel is needed later but please do re nakata so i can try to understand bc im not getting anything like that

[Ydrasse]

if you want tmrw i'll try o write up the case i lost where i went over it in more detail but thinking about rewriting it infuriates me

[Ydrasse]

picture: ydra has just spent several hours fretting over her usual laptop being ruined because her cats are chaotic

she breaks out the ol laptop she used before and sits down and sees it has 2 hours of time, thats way more than enough

she spents like 20 or so minutes writing up her thoughts in depth about nakata

she goes to edit in all the links to the post

boom, laptop turns off

[Ydrasse]

genuinely i think the maddest i have ever been abt mafia

[Ydrasse]

do you want ircher to answer that or my assumption?

[Ydrasse]

do you want ircher to answer that or my assumption?

[Ydrasse]

because it might help you answer something that people want to know about what you think, so they can better parse the game as a whole?

[Ydrasse]

that and it's p clear to me why he's asking

[Ydrasse]

ahhhh

[Ydrasse]

could you actually indulge me in what the read is/why you have it though? like ignoring the fact that ircher asked you for whatever reason he did

[Ydrasse]

mmm, alright, ty

on that note i probably will not Bee posting anymore tonight, good night !

[Ydrasse]

ignoring yin and yang isnt as fun as playing around with them but it’s probably better than sinking time into them

[Ydrasse]

it feels like a maze to get lost in “this group that group” when people Are Acting Strange and we could just kill off of that. dgaf about what some bitch with an anime avatar says

[Ydrasse]

i’ll write it all down later i just could not be fucjed to do it yesterday

[Ydrasse]

i guess it’s like, idk, i want to win a Lot as i often do and how i see it now is that we have this information that doesn’t mean anything now to us but it might later, or it could be a red herring, or there are so many plot twists that i am unable to predict that like... i personally don’t want to engage with the mechanic until i know that it’s helpful? i don’t get mad when i see people engaging with something i know is fun and i’m not going to /ask/ people to stop engaging with it but just me as a player right now think that it’s not helping, or maybe just not helping me

there probably is some other way i could be thinking about it like “is this person using mechanic as cover or do they genuinely believe they are asking things and getting real info” idk. i’m really cranky right now which doesn’t help my mindset of “NO FUN ONLY PLAY MAFIA” that also keeps me from like... thinking of anything i could ask that’s useful that hasn’t already.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: infinity

infinity i love you but don't be lazy my god

[Ydrasse]

why would he threaten to self hammer as gesture instead of just doing it ??

[Ydrasse]

i mean if he's a jester trying to get killed he's just gonna not vote you norwee

[Ydrasse]

mmmm

i don't know if we should talk about if we have roles or not at large?

[Ydrasse]

i mean, if he is a jester isn't shading what you want to do? like, subtle and not in your face

but tbh at this point ircher is clearly in our faces so ...

[Ydrasse]

mmmm

i guess it's like, you wanna be loud in a way that looks bad but also blends in to give you some plausibility? like, if you're that overt no one will kill you because no one could be *so* bad at a game, idk

[Ydrasse]

self-hammering not being allowed is probably some weird modifier if it exists

[Ydrasse]

i'll vote ircher at this point

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

i don't think that scum!ircher is incapable of making reads unless he's having an off game so that part is really ?

like unless he was trying something new that backfired horribly

[Ydrasse]

if you mean he's town and negative utility in what world does he play like this

if u mean he handicaps us though then like, i get it

his play i think is just scummy at this point rather than him being a jester because i dont think hectic would actually use a jester, mt was right that he's moved past liking those from what i know of him

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hmmm

if i think about it from him being scum, and if he's something really hurtful to us, i don't get why he wouldn't hammer? it could be a last stand, "oh i really hope i worm out of this," but that also implies his role can't be /too/ crippling for us, and at that point i woudl think he would just try to play as towny as he could and then if he does get elimmed it's a small blessing

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hm

i don't think it's role based honestly, thinking about the nature of silent star games; the last few i don't remember having specific roles for people that *did anything* more just overarching mechanics people had to deal with

it just makes sense to slice it down to ircher's scum and he's acting scummy more and more as the game goes on, or alternatively i ~guess~ he could be a jester

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as it is i'm also inclined to think that the people who are active right now and more likely town than not for actually being here and trying to solve this

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mt is town but not ~~obvtown~~ but voting her when we have like 4 options everyones going back and forth over feels like the absolute stupidest thing we could do lol

and i wonder why nakata, man of the hour in this pool, would say something like that ....

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VOTE: infinity

i have absolutely no energy today and sorry for not writing the case i was going to but at this point i’m not as sure i want to pursue it idk if it’s cold feet but rereading satoru’s iso i’m less solid, and as for the ircher wagon that wall post ah... ircher’s clearly been paying attention and thinking abo this game even if he didn’t externalize it and i think that the things he has to say are pretty decent? it’s annoying because he’s not /doing/ anything with these reads but it fits into what he was going for this game according to what he says. maybe i’m a dumbass going oooo big word pile good word you give good word to us and it’s winning over but there’s a level of nuance there that i don’t know if scum!ircher could conjure having been so aloof otherwise which i feel still reflects a solving mindset

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i got it first woooo

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it’s mostly just i go to read his iso and can’t recall all the points i had when i originally wrote up my post and it’s like, they can’t be a big smoking gun i thought they were otherwise i would have held onto those rather than the nitpicky things

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a classic silent star game would be its actually 3 and we’re using it as a way to hunt and do things and then like two days later we lim people but then actually they’re now stumps who draft a new team that we have to play with and also like there’s a vengekill idk

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: Tanner

Quickest and probably best way to find out at this point.

this is the least productive thing you could be doing

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like we have three wagons and deadlines almost here no ones voting tanner lmfao

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if infinity doesn’t go thru i’ll switch to nakata ig

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like at this point i literally think that we’re not playing against the normal type of goons because what are the votes of half these people

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if infinity doesn’t go thru i’ll switch to nakata ig

Why Infinity > Nakata/Ircher?

I think they both look worse?

norwee saying she sounds like an alien uncomfortable in human skin is the best analysis anyone could give of her play and in what world is town!infinity that out of place in a game like this esp if theres something fucky going on

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ircher > i think has some reflections of towny mindset
nakata > i couldn’t immediately recall everything in my case on him; however this doesn’t mean he’s town either which is why nakata over ircher

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...do people have reads on flea?

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people don’t stop having alignments when they’re low energy lol

infinity hasn’t posted as much but the posts she made arent good

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...do people have reads on flea?

it just dropped a decent amount.

also i feel like i should be drawing a conclusion from the fact that literally all three of the viable wagons seem to be lurking the heck out of this game at this hour, but i genuinely have no idea anymore.

i literally feel like this game is in the twilight zone and also i asked bc i couldn’t recall what fleas done layely, fae made some decent posting earlier but it feels like it’s devolved into npc posting and vc/info management which ...? if flea is bad with no pressure maybe does that instead of content since there’s not really pressure outside of the main three to do anything esp while they’re lurking

it feels like they don’t care if they die which is ????

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...do people have reads on flea?

For me they’re just kinda there. Nothing really pinged me either way. Though that they’re not joining any feasible wagons and going on this dumb push nobody will join on Tanner could be slightly town indicative, as if they’re scum and any of the rising wagons are on town why not just vote there and call it a day?

huh

i guess my worry then would be like “is town running up town and does scum flea just not want to be on wagon for towncred” but also i refuse to believe all three of these ppl are town so lol

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ircher > i think has some reflections of towny mindset
nakata > i couldn’t immediately recall everything in my case on him; however this doesn’t mean he’s town either which is why nakata over ircher

What “reflections”? How is he townie? He hasn’t done anything?

Infinty just seems to be all over the place. Is it scum indicative for her to be like that?

i made a post about it yesterday when he offered some analysis, it’s in my iso, even if he hasn’t done anything i think stuff like that is +town way more that the few posts infinity made

she’s not even all over the place she’s... muted. it feels scummy compared to how she normally approaches things wherein she’s trying to solve throwing out a ton of gut feelings etc

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i have to be right on infinity being scum at least one more time in my life these tunnels can’t mean nothing

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idk if it’s typical of her scum play but it’s scummy compared to her town play, the game i referenced for her as scum when i played w her gave me mild feelings of similarity but i’m biased

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also independently i would think what she’s done is scummy tbh meta need not apply

[Ydrasse]

POGGERS

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in a shock no one expected my strongest tr is norwee

[Ydrasse]

flash wagons can happen

but what actual reasoning do you have for that one to happen?

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i refuse to accept npctesting as a reason i need to hear why you think tanner is scum

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in a shock no one expected my strongest tr is norwee

Well, that’s what’s bothering me about Nakata, his reads are horrible. Norwee, Tweetie are so obviously townie and yet, he has them as his top 2 srs.

i’m going to be honest when i say i can see why people might sr them here i feel norwee is...easy to sr and i don’t think tweets been HARD town as she has been before (not to paranoia but i feel it’s honest). however, i also think nakatas reasons for his srs this game suck

[Ydrasse]

...do people have reads on flea?

it just dropped a decent amount.

also i feel like i should be drawing a conclusion from the fact that literally all three of the viable wagons seem to be lurking the heck out of this game at this hour, but i genuinely have no idea anymore.

i literally feel like this game is in the twilight zone and also i asked bc i couldn’t recall what fleas done layely, fae made some decent posting earlier but it feels like it’s devolved into npc posting and vc/info management which ...? if flea is bad with no pressure maybe does that instead of content since there’s not really pressure outside of the main three to do anything esp while they’re lurking

it feels like they don’t care if they die which is ????

Almost like I'm consistent in saying I like being voted.

thumbs up emoji

i really do think you should be on wagon though like, no one that i can recall scumreads tanner and it’s like. plurality exists but i think we’d all prefer for it to not... be like that?

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My problem with the scum!Infinity theory is that she could've just avoided posting sus stuff like "Ircher towny" and keeping coasting until forced to react to a wagon on her.

i mean she can’t do nothing either tbf, maybe she thought that simple whatever “weird” answers would be towny or something because they’re like, not going anywhere

and getting any reaction was like pulling teeth which says a lot

p-edit is that really a post that infinity would think is sus in the moment?

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like we can say “oh scum try to avoid saying scummy stuff” assuming perfect play

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i have to clock in now

get em norwee

[Ydrasse]

holy shit this is like pulling teeth

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90%

i have never seen infinity act like this even when shes pushed or pressured she still responds and solves and does things and i don’t think she would roll over willingly and die if she was town

if she gets to shoot after she dies or something give me the fucking bullet if it means people stop saying she’s towny

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WHY WOULD AHE BE READABLE TOMORROW

WHY NOT TODAY

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LIKE WHY DOES SHE MAGICALLY BECOME READABLE LIKE HELLO?

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if she’s not doing anything TODAYSHE ISNT GOING TO DO IT TOMORROW

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why

fucking

why

what makes her so special in this regard

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i think ircher will be more active tomorrow! nakata too!

[Ydrasse]

see? mindless statements

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at least everyone’s voting

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infinity is ellitelling btw ((((:

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infinity literally just feels

awkward when she’s scum and she can’t get herself from being that the longer things go on

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i take no responsibility if she’s town btw but also if she is i hope i get killed so i don’t have to live with the shame

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but like she’s literally just ignoring this game while being on e-2 and there’s no way she hasn’t checked this game

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i vote to wake up from the dream

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infinity is ellitelling btw ((((:

This is a BS tell on all levels, just saying.

There's a reason you never seen when I'm online.

Infinity is actively posting in other games and ignoring this one entirely despite it being deadline and her being the main wagon

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the norwee point re ircher is actually kinda interesting

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90%

i have never seen infinity act like this even when shes pushed or pressured she still responds and solves and does things and i don’t think she would roll over willingly and die if she was town

if she gets to shoot after she dies or something give me the fucking bullet if it means people stop saying she’s towny

yeah but the game is an anomaly in general not an anomaly within her town games, right? What's special about town infinity doing it vs scum Infy?

i don’t see town infinity doing this and i especially don’t see her logging onto mafiascum going “today i will not look at this game where i am suspected and a potential wagon without intervening” as the votes hop on like it’s absolutely no damage control which like, im thinking of it in terms of /scummy/ moreso than unique to infinity; the meta that i have is just a small benefit to her behavior at large

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idk man maybe i’m assuming way too much but given she was online i would have expected even a “i’m really sorry guys” or SOMETHING

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but like even if she showed up to do that now it’s too late in my eyes

[Ydrasse]

Hectic would not be seen again

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hi clidd

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If you had a vig bullet, who would you shot in a Infinity scumflip?

(hypothetically)

on wagon? probably ircher (i’m wavering back and forth on him after norwee commented about him being around)

off wagon is either nakata or probably robert right now? bc tanner had also made some points on him and i’m starting to think i could be wrong there bc... where is he lol

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while i still definitely think that robert is scummy as all hell, i do think (assuming infinity scumflip) that he's -aligned with infinity, unless the team is exactly robert/infinity/nakata. though multiball might be a thing i guess, so /shrug.

am i the only one that thinks that chara's vote on infinity is more bus-like than ircher's?

i probably shouldn't do preflip, it usually ends up being a disappointment.

go on?

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i am too

i'll post more later but i am unironically dealing with the realization that i had a premonition in my dream last night about a dog, this is actually not a joke btw

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the dream in case anyone cares. tl;dr i have psychic dreams about dogs

Spoiler:

so we used to have this schnauzer that passed some years ago. my dream was that i was in my house and i went into my living room and there was a schnauzer laying on our couch and i went, "oh is that (old dog?)" and my mom went no of course not, it couldn't be and she was right, it looked different, so it ran over and i pet it and i woke up, and for some reason i really needed to write this down so i made a note on my phone.

my day goes on. i go downstairs to get something to drink, hear my mom on the phone. she goes. "you're dogsitting a SCHNAUZER!!" i of course am like What hello and it turns out an old housemate is in fact babysitting a schnauzer. i immediately go I DREAMED ABOUT ONE LAST NIGHT and i asked if it was grey, and it was, and then i was like please show me a picture and it was the EXACT same dog from my dreams, ears were the same, face coloration and fur color, had the same amount of scruffiness. the kicker? was that she did not know about this until AFTER i had this dream, as in the dogsitting was planned this afternoon, and had never told us about this dog before for aforementioned reasons so it couldn't have been me just knowing about the dog prior.

so basically i have really weak premonitions. tomorrow i get to meet this dog and i am afraid of the powers that will be at play.

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also: i feel pretty ill right now so my brain is shut off but i have more reasons to think that flea could be town than i do robert. i'm willing to give nakata some time but he's quickly falling into the same pattern for me as robert: not around a lot, feels like he's around a bit more when he's talked about? he's at least done some solving. not sure if infinity's voting on nakata clears him necessarily but robertvote is goodvote

VOTE: robert

[Ydrasse]

infinity re nakata

Spoiler:

VOTE: nakata I like this

I agree, nakata's theory seems like he just tried to come up with a justification for TRing ydrasse and SRing the others on his wagon and it at least doesn't seem thought through.

Ok but can we elim nakata? The whole interaction with Amy looked like he wanted to maintain his scumread without having to argue about it. I do feel like Amy was overreacting to his scumread, and I understand why he wanted to avoid that argument, but I'd expect town who believed in their read to at least push on it, or like give reasons, or something.

-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up

-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town

PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anyway

Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!

Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!

Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne. Nakata thinks that if Amy Dunne is scum, that's exactly what she'd say, and that her attempts to push Nakata while not being accurate in her depiction of what Nakata has done this game show that her primary interest is in limming him and not sorting him, whereas if she were town Nakata thinks she'd be more interested in the sorting part.

@amy He's spending more time talking about how you shouldn't be upset that he's scumreading you and saying that he scumreads you rather than explaining his actual reasoning. The reasoning itself has a lot to do with you saying he was hardpushing Robert instead of just pushing Robert. It's all very fake.

Nakata does not understand getting upset with someone because they may be misreading you. If Amy Dunne is a friend and Nakata is wrong, then Nakata is not upset with Amy Dunne for misreading him. Nakata wishes Amy Dunne all the best. However, Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne to be town and does not think asserting that she is town is enough reason to believe this, especially given that Nakata knows she is pushing someone who Nakata does know is town.

Infinity, how do you get “appeasement” from this?

He's not trying to push you, he's just repeating that he scumreads you and saying that you shouldn't get upset over it.

We should lim nakata

VOTE: nakata

Ircher is confusing, nakata is scummy

infinity only votes nakata when he's beginning to receive votes from amy and clidd. it's actually the first time that infinity mentions nakata at all and then spends a good amount of time fixating on him. idk if that means that infinity was trying to distance from nakata for towncred or to try and protect top wagon at the time (robert, on 3 and then chara on 2). it feels like infinity put like, all her effort into this one read so like, can someone smarter figure out what was going on here.

nakata actually doing stuff would make this a lot easier to solve him i think but we don't always get what we want i guess

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i am trying to rest chara! :> at least, am trying to relax some, don't know if i can sleep just yet but yeah

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ty ircher :> i hope you feel better from the uh, awful bomb attached to you

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if robert scum, nakata town: robert was at that point at 3 votes, but with amy + clidd voting nakata infinity throws one down making it top wagon over robert, trying to protect partner

if nakata scum, robert town: trying to get town credit by throwing partner under the bus, which i think is not entirely unlikely because of the attention to detail infinity gave nakata compared to her other reads

if nakata scum, robert scum: lol

looking at it like this though, i'm inclined to believe the first choice makes slightly more sense. this requires a metacheck though to see how into bussing infinity is

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tanner isn't going through. lol

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no fucking way LOL

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there is not a world where you hold your shot seeing what happened today sorry like even if you shot town you could at least point to it and go "i'm a vig please!" like why would you not clear yourself?

[Ydrasse]

robert about to say i am a Night Two Vigilante plesae guys

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w

why are you ateing like that

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there is not a world where you hold your shot seeing what happened today sorry like even if you shot town you could at least point to it and go "i'm a vig please!" like why would you not clear yourself?

As if Tanner wouldn't have gone on and on and on about some plot where I'd be scum anyway.

No, I didn't want to shoot a townie.

dude

you do realize that tanner is (1) person in this town right

the rest of us could have looked at any 'shot' and been like "huh, okay" and at least been able to consider it as a possibility

i don't get why you didn't shoot him if you think he is bad

[Ydrasse]

robert about to say i am a Night Two Vigilante plesae guys

How about I smite YOU tonight?

ur gonna have to ask ur team to kill me if u get flipped

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my god i'm half-convinced that the wincon of some faction this game is to flip tanner