Mini 2231: Radio Buzz | Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

Shiki may have said that but I’m pretty sure Infinity and Cephrir cited my preference as why they were willing to vote Enchant.

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh, do we know what order the investigation/invention are done in? If MT uses NAR I would expect the invention to be first.

This question has to be answered.

Pooky, SS's answer to this question clears you.

No it doesn’t??? It just makes Tetrina’s result not damning

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I think I figured out why Pooky’s outrage weirded me out

[Gamma Emerald]

Wut???

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s no way Tetrina is scum imo and Cephrir can only be scum with S_S and has seemed pretty towny to me for a while
Kyouko you sure you aren’t scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

asked for clarification: i got my gun during the night.

did everyone else get this answer too? I asked MT and I check to see if someone has a gun at the end of the night, not the start

I was told I got it “somethime between start of n2 and start of d3 “

[Gamma Emerald]

so i think the gunners must have been specifically chosen for specific reasons. i don't know how much wifom scum might have baked in here. if the scum caller is responsible, i'd expect they would not even think of wifom and would play it completely straight targeting townies who suspect townies. if not, idk. if they're playing it straight and pooky is town, they want him to shoot SS. if they're playing it straight and SS is town, it's because his readlist is fucking upside down so it's their best shot at getting obvtown. the purpose of the other picks would be less obvious to me.

but either way, i find it remarkably suspicious that neither kyouko nor i received a gun. i feel like almost any scumteam would choose at least one of us, particularly kyouko imo as she doesn't come off as an overthinker to me, except for one with a certain agenda.

VOTE: galron

this logic tracks imo
I still have much work to do most likely so pls no hammers until then but I think Galron makes sense as today's vote, and tbh I think I have been missing my mark when I've tried to read people as I'm reading Galron this game so far

[Gamma Emerald]

and yeah I did basically try to adapt the message I got into my own words which is probably bending the rules but I'm trying to be clear about what was said

[Gamma Emerald]

it's not I'm choosing not to say, it's that that is the most clear answer I got

[Gamma Emerald]

ah ok

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m experiencing a serious mental block rn, and I think I’m starting to get out of it but I need help
I’ve recently gotten the feeling my gut reads have been more on track than my attempts at thinking things through but it’s hard to turn my brain off and just listen to those gut pings. Does anyone have something that helps in this regard?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel like that’s the move I should make rn

[Gamma Emerald]

If I go with my thoughts as they are my conclusion lands on like a skitter+ydrasse team

[Gamma Emerald]

I think what caused this void within me must have been kyouko saying she felt like there was a deep wolf within Pooky/Ydrasse if S_S isn’t scum

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s less that Ydrasse feels like a deep wolf and more that when I try to think of reasons to TR her I come up with practically nothing.

[Gamma Emerald]

is there the possibility that it's skitter+galron?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah and look now everyones like "weeeelll"

and kyouko did it first actually

i have been on ss like, almost all of this game

i only went off because we had an /actual cc/

yes, youre right, i decide to kill one partner to go on the other and i was just doing all of that voting d1 for melodrama

here's the thing, I don't think S_S is scum, otherwise I don't think kyouko's theory crafting would have had the effect it did on me.

[Gamma Emerald]

w/e im shooting pooky tonight if you dont kill me today

reaction was bad even if the gun was received at night / before check

caught for wrong reasons irritation

I do kinda get this feeling, it also feels a bit like how Alter Ego felt at points during FGO 2, especially directly after I flipped

[Gamma Emerald]

there's something I only feel okay clarifying if we're sure there's scum in the gunners
atp I feel like cephrir, kyouko, and tetrina are solidly town so if someone can anti-case skitter+galron then I can be sure I'm not fucking something up with the clarification

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe dgb baiting out infinity's claim was a double blessing for scum!skitter or something having an excuse to kill infinity off idk

yeah this has dawned on me as well, and the fact rousseau apparently also was 85% sure skitter was scum right before she died only strengthens that feeling

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s less that Ydrasse feels like a deep wolf and more that when I try to think of reasons to TR her I come up with practically nothing.

I mean she was pretty instrumental in getting the Enchant execution...

was she???

[Gamma Emerald]

DAY ONE

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Vote Count 1.14

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Enchant [5]

: Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324, Galron, rousseau, PookyTheMagicalBear

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Something_Smart [4]

: ssbm_Kyouko, Tetrina, Cephrir, skitter30

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Infinity 324 [1]

: Something_Smart

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Galron [1]

: Ydrasse

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Tetrina [1]

: DrippingGoofball

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Not Voting [1]

: Enchant

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With 13 still hanging in there, it takes 7 votes to exile someone. If a majority is not reached by deadline, plurality will decide.

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The Day One deadline is in:

(expired on 2021-08-17 15:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Skitter is VLA until August 15th.

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DAY ONE

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Vote Count 1.17

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Something_Smart [6]

: Cephrir, DrippingGoofbal, Enchant, skitter30, Tetrina, Ydrasse

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Enchant [5]

: Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324, Galron, ssbm_Kyouko, rousseau

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Infinity 324 [1]

: Something_Smart

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Not Voting [1]

: PookyTheMagicalBear

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With 13 still hanging in there, it takes 7 votes to exile someone. If a majority is not reached by deadline, plurality will decide.

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The Day One deadline is in:

(expired on 2021-08-17 15:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Skitter is VLA until August 15th.

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DAY ONE

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Vote Count 1.18

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Enchant [5]

: Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324, ssbm_Kyouko, Something_Smart, Cephrir

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Something_Smart [4]

: DrippingGoofbal, Enchant, skitter30, Tetrina

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Not Voting [4]

: PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse, rousseau, Galron

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With 13 still hanging in there, it takes 7 votes to exile someone. If a majority is not reached by deadline, plurality will decide.

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The Day One deadline is in:

(expired on 2021-08-17 15:00:00)

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Skitter is VLA until August 15th.

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DAY ONE

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Vote Count 1.19

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Enchant [5]

: Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324, ssbm_Kyouko, Something_Smart, Cephrir

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Something_Smart [4]

: DrippingGoofbal, Enchant, skitter30, Tetrina

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Not Voting [4]

: PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse, rousseau, Galron

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With 13 still hanging in there, it takes 7 votes to exile someone. If a majority is not reached by deadline, plurality will decide.

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The Day One deadline is in:

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Votecount unchanged.

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DAY ONE

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Vote Count 1.FINAL

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Enchant [7!]

: Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324, Something_Smart, Cephrir, Ydrasse, PookyTheMagicalBear, ssbm_Kyouko

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Something_Smart [4]

: DrippingGoofball, Enchant, skitter30, Tetrina

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Not Voting [2]

: rousseau, Galron

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With 13 still hanging in there, it took 7 votes to exile someone.

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[Gamma Emerald]

she said kyouko was 85% scum to her.

@gamma this wasnt abt me

oh :/

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm pretty sure rousseau and galron were also leaning enchant

[Gamma Emerald]

if you like those vote counts boy do i have a galron to sell you (he's on enchant and then gets off)

so was rousseau, she flipped town

[Gamma Emerald]

I wonder if this threw Galron off because Galron is partnered with Infinity, and he didnt understand why he was being called a town partner with her, rather than a scum partner

VOTE: Galron

a) dislike this reasoning, i also thought gamma had written 'town partners'
b) don't want galron to be on e2

ISOing skitter, this feels like something in favor of skitter+galron

[Gamma Emerald]

if you like those vote counts boy do i have a galron to sell you (he's on enchant and then gets off)

so was rousseau, she flipped town

i hate vca anyway im just fishin with the bait i've got

folksy anecdote here

I feel like if I try VCA that also points to skitter

[Gamma Emerald]

- rousseau i feel like you're inordinately focused on the callers, like more focused on them than the players of the 'main' game. why are is so much of your focus on them?

she’s like, clearly not? How much have you read

yes she is? or at least her content yesterday (irl) was mostly about that

this also feels bad

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really townread ceph anymore. If he's scum it probably isn't with ssbm

I don't particularly like the house wagon

given that it seems most/all of the house wagon around this point (Tetrina, DGB, Cephrir, maybe me) was town, this is nagl

[Gamma Emerald]

skitter why do you townread galron, again?

[Gamma Emerald]

Infinity is in my town bin. Leaning skitter town too. I don't see a contradiction there

this is a weird post, I also townread those two but didn't feel a need to call attention to the fact they were pushing each other

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Galron, in 490, who are you about to sheep? What is "the call on cephrir" and who made it? It seems from context it's meant to be me but I'm leaning town on him

What rousseau said. DGB's vote.

something vibes scummy about this with DGB's town flip
feels like Galron was kinda hiding behind DGB's play

[Gamma Emerald]

ngl a few of galron's posts also look like he could be partnered with S_S
I think what I'm probably gonna wanna do is vote out galron and if he flips scum we have 2 guns on S_S and 2 guns on skitter
I don't have a plan for what should happen if he flips town just yet

[Gamma Emerald]

@kyouko/cephrir

what's your thoughts on the meaning of the guns if galron flips town?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald, Tetrina, ssbm_Kyouko, Cephrir*
PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse
Something_Smart, skitter30, Galron

this is where I feel like I'm at atp

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, how does your gun work? Is it compulsive, and is it X-shot?

It is compulsive and x-shot

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a novice comms officer. I inherited all of shiki's stuff.

this feels super weird
how exactly did you “inherit” shiki’s stuff?

[Gamma Emerald]

a backup novice makes no sense. these guns mean the game is likely to be pretty much over before that could do anything.

I didn't get the role backup novice comms officer PM at the beginning of the game. I got the insurgent PM. I had no idea I was a backup even after I found the walkie in my backpack eod 1. I found out I was novice comms officer when shiki died. I think it was bc I was the one she gave a walkie to.

Okay this just sounds like complete BS unless MT decided to dip into bastard mod territory

[Gamma Emerald]

Even if two scum were airdropped guns, there's no multitasking, so scum still get just two kills.

Are you sure about that

[Gamma Emerald]

I checked with the mod and she said scum could absolutely use their factional kill alongside a gifted gun if they had one.

[Gamma Emerald]

Even if two scum were airdropped guns, there's no multitasking, so scum still get just two kills.

The worst town can be in is lylo tomrrow if everyone shoots me. If everyone picks a different target, I doubt town has a chance.

Also who said they were airdropped? You're slipping hard rn - first with the wrong modifier and now this

Idk about that one, chief...

[Gamma Emerald]

neeheehee~

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm curious how kyouko thinks they were airdropped

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean they weren't airdropped so I dunno how its even a slip

yeah this
the circumstances of how it was found make it clearly not an airdrop
and now that I think about it, it couldn't have been from the callers at all if I'm putting weight on that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the exact way galron accepted my specification of how the gun works wrt the factional kill proves he doesn't have access to a gun himself.

[Gamma Emerald]

it felt like you didn't really have any way to contest or affirm my claims

[Gamma Emerald]

The last two scum are probably just Kyouko + SS

this feels distinctly improbable

[Gamma Emerald]

kyuoko feels like there's a certain lack of understanding of the guns from her that suggests that if she is scum her partner doesn't have a gun either

[Gamma Emerald]

you do know what I'm talking about that makes me rather sure they weren't an airdrop, right?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not saying kyouko is town
I'm saying her being scum with S_S doesn't make sense

[Gamma Emerald]

it doesn't feel like she is though

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm starting to get bothered by the fact you're so obsessed over your scumteam guess here
what do you lose by accepting kyouko/S_S might not be the scumteam?

[Gamma Emerald]

perhaps you started feeling some heat when kyouko suggested you were scum if S_S was town and now you've crafted a narrative to discredit her read?

[Gamma Emerald]

why do you do half the shit you do as scum
you should know most times you're a mystery inside and enigma inside a cuddly stuffed teddy bear

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like most times I've seen scum ask those "why would I do this" questions it's either been part of their plan all along or something like that to the point it's just unwise to engage the argument

[Gamma Emerald]

bro if I was scum and SS is town I would've just yeeted him day 1 instead of doing this random bullshit

idk either
tbh I need to actually look at that period of time at some point because I've mostly been looking at d1 content when reading back

[Gamma Emerald]

I already said it feels like a narrative you cooked up in responses to kyouko potentially pointing the finger at you

[Gamma Emerald]

you could at least have skimmed them and seen "oh kyouko thinks I might be a deepwolf"

[Gamma Emerald]

or your scumbuddy read them and told you what it said

[Gamma Emerald]

or we elim you because you're clearly not in the mood to follow any sort of plan

[Gamma Emerald]

it'll be almost as dumb as when you miselimmed DGB yesterday out of nowhere

maybe the fact it fakeclaimed protective had something to do with it?
You're bleeding Alter Ego vibes again.

[Gamma Emerald]

dgb fakeclaimed a protective after it got ran up not before it got ran up

don't give a fuck
I personally would have rather elimmed skitter or S_S but it was looking like DGB or one of my TRs so I went DGB

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: pooky
I'm done listening to this shit from you.

[Gamma Emerald]

you're either scum or you're so far off the rails in terms of working with others that it's not worth it to try to keep you in the fold

[Gamma Emerald]

idgaf

eliminate SS

if he flips town you can all shoot me

you can all shoot me even if he flips scum

i will shoot kyouko

if she survives cuz this gun is a blank or w/e i expect you to elim her instead of gamethrowing

to be clear, the moment you posted this was the moment I was fed up with you, since it's clear you're not going to actually listen to any plan that we make, so if you're not scum here then you're town with a scum agenda, which I would rather not let go firing wildly into the night.

[Gamma Emerald]

lol what

didnt u say ss/enchant wasnt s/s skitter?

reading d2 postings
I feel like this is a good point, and skitter was on S_S the whole time soooooo
nagl for skitter

[Gamma Emerald]

also, ydrasse postings from d2 early on are feeling towny

[Gamma Emerald]

In the scenario where SS is scum and kyouko is town it's not like you have a chance to convince me of Kyouko being town after SS flips scum if we flip him today?

your attitude suggests otherwise.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: skitter
yeah this is where I actually think scum is a couple pages into d2

[Gamma Emerald]

- idk who i would be adding here in the lim pool as scum, would prob try to keep infinity open, maybe you, id who els, havent thought abt jt too mucy. I can understand why you think that tho

am I misremembering or did skitter try to push both infinity and cephrir at points d2?

[Gamma Emerald]

you know what
I skimmed some of the d2 VCs and the S_S/kyouko solve makes sense there

[Gamma Emerald]

well why is ydra town

her d2 posting gives me goodvibes :)

[Gamma Emerald]

you know what
I skimmed some of the d2 VCs and the S_S/kyouko solve makes sense there

I also think based on this pooky is very probably town, for the same line of logic that led me to sorting cephrir as town

[Gamma Emerald]

Tetrina, Gamma Emerald
Cephrir, PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse
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(Something_Smart, ssbm_Kyouko), (skitter30, Galron)

this is how I'm viewing the game rn

[Gamma Emerald]

that actually feels like the right play tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd rather not give scum 2 kills

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I might have a plan basically ironed out

vote out S_S
if he flips scum pooky and I shoot kyouko while ydrasse shoots galron
if he flips town pooky and I shoot skitter while ydrasse shoots galron

any objections?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I'd be the most likely block
so whatever I'm doing should be double-tapped

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Pooky and Ydrasse are trustworthy enough atp

[Gamma Emerald]

what about ydrasse feels like scum to you rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok the more important part of that post was the second point, namely you're not really being very clear what you're planning on doing tonight, and at least for me if your entire point is that you should not get flipped so that you can use the gun, it's important to know who youw ant to use it *on*

also survivalism is actually a p good scumtell, i've had quite a lot of success with it

I personally feel like survivalism is a bit overrated as a scumtell at times
If I can muster the resolve, I will fight as long and hard as I can to stick out games until the end as town.
I also kinda tried to survivalism-read someone recently to not-great results

[Gamma Emerald]

that is a more salient point, yes

[Gamma Emerald]

She just hasn't ever made me feel like she isnt. Games been going a while I need some good content to not feel bad about you

Sry if this is not inspiring

I will say I maybe get where you're going with having the most trusted person shoot alone btw
but if we flip scum today scum get reduced cover

[Gamma Emerald]

S_S I feel like one thing that points to you being scum is your sheer unwillingness to take real stances
gth (near literally), what's your solve/PoE?

[Gamma Emerald]

you're trying to avoid giving out associatives that might reveal your last partner

[Gamma Emerald]

you replaced into a very different situation there

[Gamma Emerald]

Neither me nor Tetrina should be anyway close to a suspect for you

[Gamma Emerald]

The way Tetrina brought up the gun result on Pooky along with everything already established is clear evidence that she’s town aligned
I feel like me allocating so much brainpower to this game is a crazy thing for scum!me to do. Scum!me tends to power wolf early and hang back later on. I can still end up dictating the course of the game but there’s a drop in the effort level that hasn’t happened here. Plus I’ve been so mercurial this game that there shouldn’t really be any idea that I’m pushing a scum agenda. I think the only logical partners for me at this point would maybe be Pooky/Ydrasse, but you have them townblocked so who do you think Is be scum with? I literally can’t be with Cephrir, Kyouko’s push D1 imo would be anti-partnery, and skitter+Galron I’ve got slated to be axed in my current mech plan.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ydrasse I’d like if you could check in soonish

[Gamma Emerald]

Pooky how about this, lim Galron and shoot me if hes town?

or we could go with my plan?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who do I need to vote to get Galron shot by one of the vigs? And what does that person have to flip?

S_S

[Gamma Emerald]

it's less that and more that I think you're possibly the best lim for town cohesion atp
plus unless you explicitly sign off on a plan of some sort I don't feel good letting you shoot at night when tetrina and I are still not TRs for you. obviously if this changes my feelings will likewise change but I don't think you engaged with my post detailing why tetrina and I are town

[Gamma Emerald]

where the hell are ydrasse and tetrina?

[Gamma Emerald]

Everyone with a gun shoot someone who claims not to have a gun.

maybe?
I'm not a fan of everyone just shooting the same person because a scum JK could just go "nuts to this" and cancel every shot at once

[Gamma Emerald]

vibes have been minimal and this game was very irritating yesterday so i dipped and spent my energy elsewhere, sorry for throwing a tantrum but it's frustrating when i feel like i did try and then people just go well it hasn't been enough :/, it's just a disheartening thing that makes me go nyeh

whatever the plan is i'll go along with it

pls at least read my posts from since you last posted :)

[Gamma Emerald]

i might even be ok with everyone holstering cuz this gun thing feels like a trap somehow

it's already been established to be compulsive
and you have a gun so how are you this far out of the loop?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok yea it is compulsive :3

there ya go
curious what your thoughts are on some...other topic involving the guns now

[Gamma Emerald]

Póoky, SS, gamma and who else

Ydrasse

[Gamma Emerald]

@mod could you please poke Tetrina rq?

[Gamma Emerald]

So, I have something that I think Cephrir and Dice might like to hear.
“I’ll reveal the truth!”
So, remember this post?

I checked with the mod and she said scum could absolutely use their factional kill alongside a gifted gun if they had one.

I lied! Scum are NOT able to use any abilities, factional or otherwise, if they have a gun. That’s why I’d felt okay trying to plan out usage of them to the degree I did initially. If one or both scum got a gun, they wouldn’t be able to screw with anyone else’s ability to use their guns.
All the other gunners could have asked about this themselves and found out about the lie, but either they knew and didn’t let on, or just took my word for it. My base inclination is to think scum with guns would have double checked my claim, so this IMO points to both scum being outside the gunners.
I have to go to bed soon so I’m not gonna take any action yet but I think voting one of the non-gunners, probably Galron, is going to be the move I most want to make today.

[Gamma Emerald]

If it's a town player who's getting shot, a scum jailkeeper isn't going to do anything of the sort.

The amount of people who believe this mystifies me.

Yeah
The slot would be getting shot for a reason, to resolve it, scum JK removes that ability

[Gamma Emerald]

Me waiting for literally anyone to notice what I posted last night:

[Gamma Emerald]

Valid ig, but that’s if we hit scum today

[Gamma Emerald]

Even with no multi-tasking.

You're just not going to listen to a goddamn thing I have to say.

If we exile scum today, yeah scum 100% are locked into killing or blocking (or just killing if they have a gun)
If we don’t, it depends on how many scum have guns, if both do (which seems unlikely) they can’t block any kills but get 2 of their own. One with + one without means unless scum JK has the gun they can either kill and block or do 2 kills. No scum gunners means whoever is scum JK can block while the other runs the factional kill

I am listening, are you? Because it really doesn’t seem like it rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually here’s a very big issue with everyone shooting the same target: if the shots fail there’s 2 possible explanations: the guns being blanks or scum JK targeting the shot target. Spreading out prevents that possible confusion.

[Gamma Emerald]

my memory is basically shit

Do you deny that neither you nor your potential scum partner would think to cross-reference that claim if you were scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

People with a gun would have been able to see the part that looked suspicious, question the mod about it, and determine my claim was an inversion of the truth
While you might not have done so yourself I still expect your scum buddy to have brought it up unless it was someone like Ydrasse (who was basically AWOL at the time I made the fictitious claim)

[Gamma Emerald]

If the guns are all blanks then I will be tilted into another dimension. That would be so disgustingly rude on MT's part.

yeah it would be rude but if scum got a gun it's gating their ability to act

as I see it there's 3 "ways" the guns could function
1) the guns work as described, not rude or bastardly
2) the guns fire blanks, rude but not bastardly, and has the added side effect of gimping any scum who got one
3) the guns have some additional fuckery like being able to backfire, which with the fact the guns are compulsive would end up in bastard modding territory for me

[Gamma Emerald]

People who say they have a gun dont necessarily have the same kind of gun that actual townies actually received. Yall are ignoring the fact that scum can just claim to have a gun rn because they have their factional kill, and they can use their factional kill to fakeclaim having received the same kind of gun as everyone else.

this is true, but I think that'll have to be assessed tomorrow. As-is, I think all but 1 of the gunners are on the level in terms of having gotten the same thing, so if we think someone straight-up lied about getting one I know where my eyes would turn.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying to figure out who makes sense as partners to try and create a sort of heat map to try to ensure one scum gets hit across today and tonight
I've got some decent stuff to go on for like every slot except skitter and galron who could potentially be scum with most/all of the slots I'm including in this thing
although I feel like skitter + pooky makes absolutely no sense as a scum team because of in-thread interactions and how out of sync they would be

[Gamma Emerald]

That...is valid. I noted skitter was pretty mum about the subject, though I already disbelieve that she’s partnered with you because of some of your in-thread interactions just not making sense as stuff that would probably go in a scum PT instead.

[Gamma Emerald]

But like, Galron and I think Cephrir both said essentially the same thing, which was “that seems overpowered but I’ll believe you on that”. I definitely feel like Galron would’ve responded differently or taken more time to respond if he were scum partnered with a gunner. Cephrir too but his only possible partner is a gunner and he wasn’t the one I was directly talking to when I claimed what I did.

[Gamma Emerald]

if I was scum with skitter I'd already be dead

lol how

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think a scum would tell you you're wrong because it would be straight up scum claiming?

I meant it when I said I had asked the mod about it, the only lie was that I inverted the answer I was given. Obviously I'm not gonna scumread myself, so in turn I have no reason to think anyone with a gun wouldn't be unafraid to come forth with some sort of refutation if they checked that point. People without a gun wouldn't be privy to the same things I was without being scum, so you're right on that front.

[Gamma Emerald]

if I was scum with skitter I'd already be dead

lol how

Every time I roll scum with her I die d1 or d2.

Most of the time I die on d1.

It's like magic because I almost never die on d1 as scum usually.

extraneous circumstances? I'm not actually arguing that it's possible, I'm just debating your logic that you'd somehow be dead simply because skitter is scum with you. Has she been an active part of why you've died early on in games where you've been scum with her?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay, guess it's not worth debating further then

[Gamma Emerald]

still want ss/ydra to die

what is their operating plan in this scenario? Pooky pointed out Ydrassse is a deep wolf and I'm inclined to think that's more or less true, so unless her buddy is in a better position than her (which S_S most definitely isn't) I'd expect there to be a real effort from her to shape the gamestate
this is basically how Prism read me in the coalition game where I hydra'd with cheekyteeky, but with a bit more depth to the concept imo

[Gamma Emerald]

alright actual effort time.



this is going to be the start point for my re-read.

We have a wagon on SS and no votes on Enchant.

We have our heroine Rosseau rallying the troops:



and then we have this sequence of votes:



Summary of Actions:
Gamma moves his vote from SS to Enchant in 1575 - never moves his vote again. [Probly Town]
Infy votes for Enchant in 1576 - never moves her vote again. [Probly Town]
Galron votes for Enchant in 1584 - unvotes in 1827 - claims SS is the better wagon for ?? reasons, intents on SS but doesn't vote for SS (intent is invalid because SS only at 5 votes) [Maybe suspicious if SS is town?]
Skitter votes for SS in 1647 putting SS ahead 4-3, unvotes in 1675 after SS gets put at E-1, revotes SS at 1773 after Enchant gets intented by Rosseau. [Feels pretty townie]
DGB votes for SS in 1671 - putting it at 5-5 "Let's make this an exciting race!!!!" does not vote again. [Probably just town cuz it obviously doesn't care]
Tetrina started out voting for SS, moved her vote to Enchant at 1683 putting Enchant ahead 6-4, moves her vote from Enchant to SS in 1792, putting SS ahead 5-4, says they're both scum, doesn't vote again. [Kinda think her lack of caring implies town here]
Ydra votes SS in 1799 [E-1], votes Enchant in 1805 [E-1], unvotes to put them at 5-5 [1808], Votes Enchant in 2079 [E-1], I'm so confused by what Ydra is doing here lol. [Suspicious if SS flips scum]
Cephrir starts out voting for SS, he switches to voting for Enchant in 1840. Kinda suspicious of how long he's parked on SS and really only hops over at the last hour, looks better if this is an S/S wagon. [Suspicious if SS flips town?]
SS votes Enchant in 1819. I don't think he's very enthuiastic about pushing Enchant out, however it could just be a personality/RL thing.
Kyouko started out voting for SS, moved her vote to Enchant at 1731[E-1 Vote] - asked for hammer later in the game. [Probly just town]




Honestly I was kinda hoping to do this after SS flipped and I knew his alignment cuz it would be like half the work but I'm kinda doubting I get the SS flip now so I'll just have to do this without his role information.

If SS is town:

I don't think it makes sense for the game state to be four people voting for Town!SS and the scum just chilling sucking their thumbs and waiting to get jumped, I think at least one of the SS voters initially is scum - of the four voters I'd think Cephrir is the scummiest of the lot. I didn't like the Galron unvote either at 1827 but I can sort of understand it maybe? Galron and Ceph are probably not partnered. I guess I don't really like this scenario because I have trouble coming up with a team of 2 that really fits this game state? Like SS comes so close to dying so many times that I can't help but imagine he would just die if he was town here?

If SS is scum:

My dream scenario, I think it's more likely than SS!town because I don't think Enchant is a very passive scum player - if enchant sees an opportunity, he will just kind of push for it and make up some bullshit excuse. I don't really see him looking at a juicy SS wagon and like hold his vote back - he only votes for SS at 1672 after I called SS/Enchant out for being S/S cuz they weren't voting for each other. There's a blunt recklessness in Enchant's scum play where he just kind of goes for it when the opportunity presents itself and I'd think he'd be

more

invested in pushing SS to death if SS was a townplayer - his lack of enthusiasm feels like to me that he's not really interested because he doesn't have any good options.

I think out of all voters, Ydra feels like she could be a partner since she flips her vote back and forth in a way that makes me feel somewhat dizzy. it's like she doesn't want to miss the train that is leaving the station and she doesn't care much which train she catches since they're all going to Paris anyway.

what are your thoughts wrt the vote movement rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: galron
there's like half a dozen reasons this is a good elim atp

[Gamma Emerald]

like galron is treating us like we're dumb for voting s_s because he knows it's a wash already or something :<

what's this about?

[Gamma Emerald]

Galron if you had a gun and you could shoot anybody other than SS right now who would you shoot?

I hate that question. It's a bullshit quesiton.

That being said. I'd have to do DGB Part II, the Ass Shot.


Without waiving the foregoing objection, I'll answer seriously I don't know. I really don't like Kyouko's posting, and Gamma was slipping hard for me beginning mid day but is better now. Those were my two biggest scum reads coming into today, and they weren't all that great. S_S kinda makes sense as scum. 85% of his posts have been about him instead of other players and that's a bad look. I don't mind his POE so much, but I get your point about him not making a scum case on anyone. The thing about him not pushing anyone or solving just really stands out the more I think about it, so as I sit here typing this, it may just be S_S.

I do remember a game from last year where S_S repped in late Day 1 and was pretty active and solvy. He didn't have the the pressure that Roden had, but still, like someone said, he didn't even really try to case Enchant or anything I don't think.

basically just weird commentary

But wait what if we don't flip SS today but still hit scum? Is SS still the topic tomorrow?

Everyone seems resigned that SS is town and this will be a miz. So why aren't we flipping scum then.

I don't exactly know what to do about that but if this feels wrong wtf are we doing it?

cool
this makes me think you're not partnered with Galron

[Gamma Emerald]

(3) enchant: gamma emerald (1575), infinity 324 (1576), galron (1584)
(3) something smart: ssbm kyouko (1391), tetrina (1400), cephrir (1401)

Ty
I kinda like the formation of the ss wagon more tho

VOTE: ss

why did you like the SS wagon formation more?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so I've determined two things: skitter and SS don't make sense as partners, and skitter's d1 play seems pretty likely to be from an Enchant partner

[Gamma Emerald]

you're not my priority flip rn, galron is
atp galron could still be partnered with 4 people, you can only be partnered with Galron or maybe Kyouko

[Gamma Emerald]

that was @skitter

[Gamma Emerald]

- literally advocating for a plan where he dies today

this is actually part of why I want him elimmed today
if he's something like scum commuter he can no-sell the shots on him

[Gamma Emerald]

it also makes sense of why she was focusing on the comms

Yeah,

she softed it to one of Cephrir or Galron iirc, could be scum also noticed

.

Comms expert could also just be a flavored PT cop/Traffic Analyst though, unfortunately we dont get detailed flips

Is this a slip?

hmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

despite Galron being in his solve SS seems to prefer voting skitter here

[Gamma Emerald]

atp I've sifted through most of the maybes in terms of team possibilities, I've just got 2 left involving kyouko

[Gamma Emerald]

what is your point with that number

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I agree it’s peculiar but idk what can be made of it

[Gamma Emerald]

What's your case for why Galron has to be scum again?

Most recently, that he was opportunistic in voting me on D2 and lied about why he was voting me. Voted as though he was sheeping and when challenged on it, lied about the timeline, saying there was a reason all along. Slipped that the guns were airdrops.

The guns were slipped under us while we slept.

There was no airdrop

.

[Gamma Emerald]

If the guns are all blanks then I will be tilted into another dimension. That would be so disgustingly rude on MT's part.

Maybe Smart is a scum because he doesn't really mean this

if he's scum he means it most likely, but is moreso bothered by being gimped by the gun
I noticed during my associative diving yday that a lot of potential S_S partners make extra sense if S_S is a scum PR

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a novice comms officer. I inherited all of shiki's stuff.

Got em
VOTE: Galron
Took you long enough

Even if two scum were airdropped guns, there's no multitasking, so scum still get just two kills.

The worst town can be in is lylo tomrrow if everyone shoots me. If everyone picks a different target, I doubt town has a chance.

Also who said they were airdropped? You're slipping hard rn - first with the wrong modifier and now this

Hmmm so is it 1 of Galron and Kyouko as scum and 1 of Smart and Pooky?

kyouko/pooky doesn't make sense imo but the rest seem viable

[Gamma Emerald]

- literally advocating for a plan where he dies today

this is actually part of why I want him elimmed today
if he's something like scum commuter he can no-sell the shots on him

I really don't care if I'm the target. I chose myself because I'm town and have pretty much fulfilled my roles and so people would pay attention. I think that it's best to shoot one target. Otherwise we're likely going to lose too many townies and the game could very well end tonight or leave us in a bad position tomorrow.

I think a 2-by-2 (assuming we don't elim S_S today) is the smartest move

[Gamma Emerald]

Pooky/anyone doesn't make sense.

I could see pooky/galron or pooky/ydrasse rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: galron
there's like half a dozen reasons this is a good elim atp

@mod

you missed this one

[Gamma Emerald]

I think he's slipping that they are airdrops flavor-wise. Did you find/receive the gun in a flavored way that makes it impossible to have been an airdrop? If so, why do you think your flavor makes it impossible?

Yes
How would an item that as airdropped end up underneath us while we slept? It's preposterous.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: kyouko
pooky died over me for a reason I think

and yeah I sniped S_S with extreme prejudice after that hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

i shot pooky

i thought that he would shoot s_s and the hammer was probably a scum claim but also if it was somehow town ss pooky was def scum and people would take care of ss so..: sorry pooky

-_-
I'm still thinking it's kyouko unless there's an alternative explanation for why I wasn't shot last night

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh that's kinda a goofy shot by ydrasse because that was the only person I could see as partnered with ydrasse
so if ydrasse is scum that shot would have been killing someone who presumably might have been mislimmable

[Gamma Emerald]

Ss was obviously scum after the hammer and pooky was absolved if ss was scum

Ydra coming into today i almost wanted to clear you but that shot was so, uh, not good just

Also @gamma i'm p sure tetrina was the scum kill and pooky shot ss

Dont think scum killed pooky so ur logic is faulty

unless S_S just didn't have a gun (which is possible) scum had 2 shots to work with

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ydra, Gamma, Skitter: if one of you 3 is scum and you flip me today you will have to deal with Cephrir's FN claim in ELO. Up to you, but mechanically this is ideal. I'm confident in my ELO play if scum try to leave me alive for WIFOM

You're never dying tonight, and this fn thing to ss smells really fishy

I literally trust none of ceph, ssbm, or ydra rn

I'm between ceph and kyouko
pooky said ydrasse is a power wolf, with both of her partners getting dumpster'd early I think she'd put a little more oomph into her play as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

you helped push out house/enchant! @ceph

[Gamma Emerald]

Also the tetrina shot points to scum in ssbm/ceph - scum were scared of showing up with a gun when they didnt claim one, it looks like

No other reason to kill her really

hmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

tetrina was UTR as well as having claimed PR, I think there's no way any scum leaves that alive

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm just vanilla insurgent

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ydra, Gamma, Skitter: if one of you 3 is scum and you flip me today you will have to deal with Cephrir's FN claim in ELO. Up to you, but mechanically this is ideal. I'm confident in my ELO play if scum try to leave me alive for WIFOM

yeah this looks pretty bad actually
Cephrir has a point that the FN claim is basically a non-factor, but you're shading him as if it makes him somehow worse

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko hammer me

uh that was hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma was obsessed with double tapping yesterday and was possibly also scum faking having a gun, but he was intimately aware of the flavor of the guns it seemed

[Gamma Emerald]

Ydra we know shot Pooky so probably just Gamma

I also claimed the kill on S_S?

[Gamma Emerald]

Saying I’m scum for paying attention to shit is such a 0 IQ play but that’s par for the course for kyouko

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re also the dipshit that pushed Galron calling them an airdrop a slip when that wasn’t even the case from the flavor
So really you’re just an ignorant fuckhead

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh had I been given time I probably could have sorted the game via what happened D2
Now though I have to go bowling in like an hour, and I won’t be able to focus on the game while that’s going on, and by the time that ends MT will have probably locked the thread

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m glad you’re not gonna be in 3P because you’re probably the worst player I’ve ever seen

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, I bagged 2/3 scum D1, had the right idea on the associative calculations even if off pure math the choice was wrong, and I even figured out the scum caller. I was on another level.

[Gamma Emerald]

Shutterbug (/Dice) were controlled by me and had no alignment. They were added to the setup solely for flavour, to more directly assist the newbies, and make scum newb's job a little easier.

No wonder why I thought Shutterbug was adoooooooooorbs


<3

Thanks for modding Tweetie! This was really fun :3

Yeah that is neat

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw if I’d gotten it in on time I wanted to include this with the mod scene for my flip
“My comrades...Rousseau, Tetrina...
...Infinity...
I couldn’t avenge you...”

[Gamma Emerald]

I look forward to getting N1ed/BoPed in our next game, DTX