Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[GuyInFreezer]

Although you are totally right that no scum probably guessed that I bet myself on being limmed so shuffling around a bit won’t change the game result a bit.

[GuyInFreezer]

/in to mod

Game Name:

Isekai uPick

Flavor/Mechanics:

It is a uPick based around isekai anime. When you in, please send 3 characters from isekai anime, and I will create your role from one of them. I would define isekai anime as any anime in which the main character(s) comes from one world, while the bulk of the story takes place in another world that is distinct from the character(s) original world. Virtual/digital worlds are of course fair game. If you are totally unfamiliar with isekai anime I can happily pick for you.
It may take me a while to design this after it fills since I might be a little rusty. I do intend to include some form of cool isekai mechanic.

Your Experience:

It's been a long time since I last modded, huh

Current Modding Commitments:

Nu uh

Reviewed By:

I might get someone or I might not. It's a uPick so it can't happen yet anyway. Depending on how enthusiastic I am about setup design this may go in the direct of lolbalance.

Back-Up or Co-Mod:

I might get someone or I might not.

Number of Players:

13

Hydrae:

Yes

Restrictions:

Nah

Is it possible your game has any of the following bastard roles or mechanics?

cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not),

secret win conditions

, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game:

No

Also secret win conditions are guaranteed to be not in this game and none of the mafia flipped with different win condition.
So you can safely remove the secret win condition theory from your brain.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also let me ask the mod if cropping a piece of a picture is against the rule.
Because I just googled Melty and you're right that Melty shows up with not-a-red-hair. Googling the cast of the same animu tells me that the actual name of the picture that is labelled as Melty is actually Malty.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dunnstral - why did he kill N1?

Why wouldn't he kill N1? He was literally universally townread.

[GuyInFreezer]

With that said, I'm going to disengage entirely today. I wasn't really in a good mood and I want to keep my reputation as fluffy poster if possible.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hmm scum not using LLD N1 actually somewhat clears her no?

[GuyInFreezer]

Also re: logic I guess is that scum just guessed at that point because I too was impressed how quickly Silhouette won the game. Ok I'm gone for real this time.

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually the anime is re: zero right? Cant find melty

The rise of the shield hero


This is Malty btw

[GuyInFreezer]

And no there’s no penalty for guessing except that guessing is considered part of the yes/no question

[GuyInFreezer]

Wait Dunnstral did thr kill instead of using me? It's guaranteed?

I mean how else do you think kyouko caught Dunn via track

[GuyInFreezer]

That seems... Unlikely?

But dreams generally aren't logical!

At least in Korea we are told that dreams are usually the opposite of what happens in real life.

[GuyInFreezer]

This was kinda out of the blue, well after ssbm had outed her track guilty. at that point players were a bit up in the air about whether to elim Dunn first or Gamma. What was his objective?

I'll also remind you that the first thing Dunn posted in the dead PT was rooting for LLD. He claimed that it was in neutral way, and then feigned surprise on me being there in the very next post.

[GuyInFreezer]

I think if anything I think LLD is town more now.
My reread is keep getting delayed by rl :busy:

[GuyInFreezer]

I ran into this post doing some research about how Day 1 played out. It doesn't really fit with what I'm looking for, so I'm going to post it now. Dunn was fairly well townread at the point where he posted this, so I thought it would be interesting to look at the players that flipped and the players that are still alive. He had Marci/Gamma slot in second tier town. Of his 5 lowest reads, 3 have flipped town. I think his other partner is maybe more likely to be lower than marci here than in the top tier. I feel like he underestimated GiF's ability to obvtown at this point. And I feel like he was explicitly not going after players who he knows tend to grab leadership, but leaving room to change that stance (the part about not being out of scumrange.)

{Dunn.......Cabd, GIF}
{Rhiannon, DGB(?)} DGB feels right on this tier but it's not as solid other reads to this point
{Wheme, marci.......manatee} niggles about manatee's role, but eh
{Unwnd} true null
{Luke}
{ssbm, Toog(?)}

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This is synced, but my reads are awfully fluid.

Toog's in flux. I feel like he's doing AI stuff now, maybe? Most of his posts from that LLD sus onward haven't sat right. I have a feeling Nacho would tell me this is town toog, but I never totally nailed down what makes town toog town to Nacho.

Maybe ssbm is where I'll want to vote.

[LLD, Cabd, Kate Bishop]
[Manatee, Unwnd, GIF, Marci]
[Wheme, Luke, DGB]
[SSBM, Toog]

With the caveat that I don't think anyone in the top tier is super far out of scum range, these are early feelings mainly based on tone and claims.
Cautiously putting Unwnd and Marci above null for unexplained reasons

I don't have any sort of feeling about Wheme//Luke right now, so they're at null

I didn't like the SSBM pop-in and only talking about the claims
Toog claiming to be confirmable doesn't do anything for me.

I think his other partner is maybe more likely to be lower than marci here than in the top tier.

So this points to Luke right

[GuyInFreezer]

I hate the quoting system sometimes

[GuyInFreezer]

Like I read Luke’s self-towncase. It does make sense in some degree.

However though

I townread Cabd
I townread Kate because why would they bis Gamma
I townread LLD for reasons described before
I townread Kyouko because why would she bus Dunn

[GuyInFreezer]

I still maintain the stance that if we are not confident in limming scum today I should be the lim today btw.

[GuyInFreezer]

Thanks scum I think I was already p universally townread but you kinda sealed it for me!

[GuyInFreezer]

"GIF is lying. 150 character d__d cr__r.

N1 power unknown.

N1 game is correct but GIF is not in dead thread. N2 game as claimed by GIF is made up.

-Titus"

I don't know what those two words are supposed to be.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean if I wasn’t in a dead thread how else would I come up with all this?

[GuyInFreezer]

Like literally the fact that I knew what N1 game was is a proof that I was indeed in dead thread.

[GuyInFreezer]

And why would I lie about N2 game and offer myself for lim that day with exact votes?

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean I still have my scrapbook. Y’all want me to dance between the lines and paraphrase all 106 posts that I have?

[GuyInFreezer]

Like, my lying about being in a dead thread is out of the line.

P-Edit: Yes.
Titus never talked to me directly in dead PT but there is 0 way in hell she didn’t see my posts there because my posts constitutes like 60% of the dead PT before my return.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok 43/106 so not really 60%. But you see my point.

[GuyInFreezer]

It is clear (it really should be) that I was in a dead thread. Why would Titus lie there?

[GuyInFreezer]

...Sakura?

[GuyInFreezer]

Like if you accept that "Titus" is lying there, then I'm literally confirmed town here.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh btw Kate is going to have third degree headache after reading all the shitpost I've wrote in the dead thread about Kate being scum because Silhouette picked Knuckles.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I'd like to appeal to what meager skills I have and say that if I were to fake a N2 game I would've almost certainly came up with something Isekai-related.

[GuyInFreezer]

Intriguing.

If LLD is scum at least game would be over and I can just chill.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: SSBM

#YOLO

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm kinda disappointed tbh.
I would've liked to take game over right now.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh I'm actually a doublevoter.
The game already ended before you know it.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok ok I won't do this in this game.
You can breathe now.

P-Edit: Imagine having a doublevoter that doesn't turn off in ELo.

[GuyInFreezer]

So last time I said I'll reread this game and I got too

lazy

tired. I have a day off Wednesday so I could reread then but do I want to do it?
If I do it would be for Luke.

[GuyInFreezer]

I totally expected to be here. I totally expected Kate to die too.

[GuyInFreezer]

No I was genuinely considering LLD lmao

[GuyInFreezer]

Yep.

[GuyInFreezer]

what happened on full tarot

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I guess I have one question about kyouko being scum: Why would she bus Dunn D2, who was being universally townread?

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah with LLD cleared we have 0 reason to skip lim.

[GuyInFreezer]

Welp I guess I'm confirmed town for real now.

[GuyInFreezer]

watched

Was this ever claimed before?

[GuyInFreezer]

How do you get PM'd by people???

[GuyInFreezer]

Man this further proves that when I'm town I have like 0 luck being in the neighborhood.
The only way I can join a hood is by invading one myself.

[GuyInFreezer]

Apparently luke was the winner of the game, told the threas, and he and notty wrote me a message after I became confirmed town from the hammer test

Did they say why?

[GuyInFreezer]

Luke won... but notsci got to help draft the message?

But ffery didn't?

And neither did the entire rest of the town?

Alignment gets an advantage, not individual.
Entire rest of the town not pitching in makes sense because as I said, they stopped caring like beginning of D2.
Lack of fery input is fun though

[GuyInFreezer]

At least y’all got your first pick

[GuyInFreezer]

LLD how much do you trust Cabd’s claim itself?

[GuyInFreezer]

Because I can’t fathom to think that the role that is supposed to help dead town is scum.
The roles so far have flipped with clear alignment-serving goal.
Yes your role has this “you kill for scum” but it does have a drawback and ultimately a way to help town by gaining a day vig.
Manatee’s role has “if you don’t pick town dies” but ultimately it does give town double lim.

Gamma’s role also gives double day but it can also give scum a governor if guessed correctly.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that the negative roles still had catch to help their alignment.

I think Cabd’s battleship talk is most likely real. He did look for Shiro D1 so he wasn’t most likely lying about his informed part.

[GuyInFreezer]

But then I guess would kyouko burn the bridge and bus both scum

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually here’s the real kicker.
Would scum-Cabd mis-flavor-read scum-Marci?

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually here’s the real kicker.
Would scum-Cabd mis-flavor-read scum-Marci?

As in, would he really plan that in that certain way as scum just to get disproven during massclaim?

[GuyInFreezer]

I also thought about "would Kyouko turbo-bus both scumteam" but then I guess if Kyouko was in the hood with Kate and Kate lockscum'd Gamma I guess she had no choice?

[GuyInFreezer]

I still plan to read things tomorrow.
But that’s the thought I have atm after reconsidering impactful moves from both sides unbiased.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh yeah I don’t think “Dunn needs to be in dead PT for games” is not it.
Nothing in the flip suggests that and if I was scum Dunn would be the last choice to throw in the dead PT given that… he was widely townread.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh yeah I don’t think “Dunn needs to be in dead PT for games” is not it.
Nothing in the flip suggests that and if I was scum Dunn would be the last choice to throw in the dead PT given that… he was widely townread.

I don’t think … is it*
Double negative op

[GuyInFreezer]

So this is a plus for kyouko.

[GuyInFreezer]

I didnt realize the limiter on your role was "if you're used 3 times you unlock the vig", but Cabd seems to be aware that you are ungated. He never once denies that he killed Kate, only argues that you killed Kate (via brainwash of course) because he knows that's what happened.

If Cabd is acting like he is aware of LLD's role being ungated and LLD's role is actually gated, wouldn't that actually suggest the opposite?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm struggling to think why scum-Cabd would kill Kate over Kyouko and decide to randomly hammertest and clear LLD.

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

For nice 1-vote parity jic.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm going to assume that each sided acted as reasonably as possible to achieve win for either alignments and do some weighing there.

[GuyInFreezer]

LLD can you paraphrase that 10 paragraph PM you received as best as possible?

[GuyInFreezer]

Spoiler: for LLD only

Hammering Cabd

Pro:
- Safe choice
- If we’re wrong we get to blame the others

Con:
- if we’re wrong Cabd won’t leave us alone for few weeks

Hammering Kyouko

Pro:
- if we’re right we get to be a hero
- We get to dunk on fery

Con:
- if we’re wrong we basically threw
- if we’re wrong we get dunked on by multiple people

[GuyInFreezer]

All righty.

VOTE: Cabd

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually

VOTE: Kyouko

[GuyInFreezer]

They trying to prove themselves after Titus post being failed to be proven looks hella sketch.

[GuyInFreezer]

What if challenge reward requires loser faction to cooperate to winning faction>

[GuyInFreezer]

The Titus post and PM LLD got is very similar in nature that dead get to talk to us in some way.
N1 reward was literally a vote.

[GuyInFreezer]

Could it be that the messages and PM are from same challenge?

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:
Actually this whole theory is kinda stretched isn't it

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Cabd

I guess with the PM this is the most logical choice.

[GuyInFreezer]

1 day, 2 hours, 9 minutes

Huh I have one more day apparently.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm gonna wait on LLD's final remark before fully deciding.

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE: jic

[GuyInFreezer]

if it's Kyouko and I talked myself out of it, I'll never be able to forgive myself.

On the other hand, I'd have been the only one who was looking at that in a game full of people who were locked in? but I still made the mistake

if it's cabd and I kill Kyouko after being told to do Cabd by secret messages I mean

I'm gonna look so stupid

LLD
To be honest we already look kinda stupid.
I lolhammered a doctor and botched Wheme read who became conftown, and your D1 reads were 0/3.
If you're around wanna yolo?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'll be here.

[GuyInFreezer]

Before I make my final decision give me your opinion on this.

Do you think the half empty message from beginning of Day 4 and the PM you got can result from the same challenge?

[GuyInFreezer]

If you don't think so, I think Cabd is the safest choice here.

[GuyInFreezer]

All righty.

VOTE: Cabd

Let's end it while the mod is online.

[GuyInFreezer]

If scum faked that PM then good job on them.
I think without that I never vote Cabd today.

[GuyInFreezer]

Kyouko actually retracted the watch.

[GuyInFreezer]

I lied about my claim. I tracked (not watched) Kate last night because I felt she would be my only blind spot and that if it wasnt her it was clearly Cabd. I implied to her I'd be Watching her, just in case LLD's brainwash was non-consecutive like Dunn's.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF has literally been scum pinging me on rushing me to do shit this whole day but he was confirmed town.

Nope, town here too.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well at least I got something out of this game and 2hu game.
If I get a massive townping on someone I should just follow that.

[GuyInFreezer]

but if it's Kyouko and I solved it and I fucking wimped out?

If we're talking about wimping out, I literally declared Cabd conftown Day 3 too lmao.

[GuyInFreezer]

What if challenge reward requires loser faction to cooperate to winning faction>

I guess I'm correct about this then.

[GuyInFreezer]

If we're talking about real hopium, technically there is a night phase which means a challenge.

[GuyInFreezer]

Haha I did not deserve this