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VOTE: Radical Rat

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I don't understand anything about this game's theme other than the fact that it's beautiful and elegant.

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Galron

, where are you?

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Galron

, where are you?

hm

would the gamestate somehow be different to you if galron had made 1-2 rvs posts like most everyone else?

No, but it'd be nice to see a familiar face.

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During these early stages of the game the best indicators of alignment generally the first post one makes upon arrival to the game and the grandificance of their entrance is significant. Most other posts are generally absolute drivel lesser to my mad ramblings when I begin to regret inviting our dear friends the Tweedles to tea.

Really? In my experience, RVS reads are quite poor.

Now, should we perhap turn our vision to the offensive post in current debate which formed the basis of my "random" vote, and while we are there I shall be more than happy to provide you with a gift of insight so that your sight may perhaps match my sight as we gaze upon this game and find our dear enemies...

VOTE: AidansFlame

flame = red

red = color

color = mafia

The connection provided here is quite simple - even I face a challenge of making it overly verbose .

A fire generally burns a shade of red, where red is a colour and therefore it is indicative of mafia the colour red also is traditionally used to signify a member of the informed faction so the correct logic here perhaps could be that The Red Fire burns with the Red Hatred of the mafia. Or to simplify, Fires are red, red is scum, and colour is also scum and so theretofore etcetera etcetera this person is scum.

My own logic is significantly more simple than the logistical marathon of the firey kitsune mage, and that logic is simply that I do no recognise the colour red, as within this world it is an abomination. The kitsune mage has skill with the flame and as such has the knowledge of these "colours" that the fires would burn HENCEFORTH the knowledge of the colour and the logicistal marathon taken to endorse this vote is in itself manifested in deceit which is within the realms of the hateul hue-ful hubris of their kind as they attempt to beat over the uninformed majority and bring the horror of colour to this realm.

*sips tea*

Does this suffice your needs? I would expect an intriguing rebuttal as we appear to now be breaking RVS with you at the helm.

Are you sure it's tea that you're drinking at your party?

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I have read all of the posts so far and they're NAI to be fair.

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I have read all of the posts so far and they're NAI to be fair.

You think every post in the game so far is NAI?

Up to that particular point, yes. I am catching up with what appeared since then right now.

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I have read all of the posts so far and they're NAI to be fair.

I'm much of this same opinion for the first few pages but vanderscamp pings town.
Anahit too although less so

I'm always very sceptical when it comes to early Day 1 reads. If I see a post and judge that it could have been made from both a town and a scum point of view then I just put it in a NAI pocket and wait for more.

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I believe it is time to rebuke the VOTE: Radical Rat and realign my retinae to recognise and resolve the predicament the position presents.

b! if you think greeting is currently the most likely mafia do you not think there is some equity between greeting and vanderscamp?

honestly, idk if i actually believe that. i mostly just wanted a counterwagon, and felt that greeting was as good a shot as any for the purpose (partly because i'd misread the thread, oops). i probably shouldve voted ahri, but whatever.

but taking the question on its assumptions regardless: im not sure what you mean by equity, and i personally dont really consider the vanderscamp and greeting to be "linked" in any way. but vanderscamp pings vaguely town, i like that he didnt let the argument over treating every post as alignment-indicative drag out.

no opinion on cakez and tea party (i feel like i, should, have an opinion on tea party... but i cant actually seem to form one. weird slot, fun slot, frustrating slot).

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Anahit isn't approaching my slot how I'd imagine scum doing which isn't conclusive but points strongly

to

away from green.

? doesnt "not how i'd imagine scum" imply "to green"? idg the strike here

UNVOTE:

gets difficult here. i like to get answers from someone before voting them. but i cant just vote elsewhere "for the counterwagon" now ive acknowledged that was my goal.

VOTE: radical rat

i guess this works.

What is the case on

Radical Rat

?

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Galron

, where are you?

Present. I refused to touch a PC, phone or anything over most of the weekend. Well a phone a little bit I think. I was a bachelor all last week, and that makes me a little antsy and throws me out of my usual goings on.

What should I be focusing on in the game so far? I've read a few pages, and I want to stab the Hatters for some reason, maybe because they didn't invite anahit for tea, which would've made for a more pleasant conversation. I'm getting the impression that the Hatters are using colorful language to be intentionally misunderstood. But maybe I'm just not following what they're getting at.

Welcome back! It's good to take a break from everything from time to time.

So far my experience of this game has been rather confusing.

Mad Hatters Tea Party

seems to intentionally keep using overly sophisticated language.

anahit

has somehow managed to make 51 posts, which is more than 25% of all posts in the game. I guess these two players caught the most of my attention so far, but I don't know what to think of it.

Apparently, some players are building an actual case on

Radical Rat

, my RVS vote and I wanna hear that.

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honestly, idk if i actually believe that. i mostly just wanted a counterwagon, and felt that greeting was as good a shot as any for the purpose (partly because i'd misread the thread, oops). i probably shouldve voted ahri, but whatever.

but taking the question on its assumptions regardless: im not sure what you mean by equity, and i personally dont really consider the vanderscamp and greeting to be "linked" in any way. but vanderscamp pings vaguely town, i like that he didnt let the argument over treating every post as alignment-indicative drag out.

kinda think greeting and ahri were both pretty good votes

basically i mean that they have higher likelihood of being mafia together - it is like, if you thought greeting was the most likely mafia, then vanderscamp's vote pressuring edensflame very shortly thereafter without engaging with your vote on greeting in anyway would potentially be suspicious, yeah? but instead your thought was 'oh i might join that wagon', thus my question

Why is that?

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Why is that?

feels kinda like you have time traveler perspective - like with rvs vote and no posts are ai comment and the like, observational posts

like ya know how if you live in a place where the winter is very cold and then there is a warm day in early spring it feels very very warm like the nicest day ever but if it were the middle of summer that day would be considered cold

it feels like you have time traveled to the warm day and called it cold

I cannot make out anything that gives clues as to players' alignments from the first 114 posts. I'm not going to create post content out of nothing. Sure, that involves me taking a backseat and waiting for stuff to unfold, but I didn't have any better idea than that. There's not much more to it, and I don't want prods so there's that.

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and for ahri it is like,

ahri made rvs post, then mad hatters tea party and i talked about it A LOT, and then ahri disappeared?

which could completely be not game related but if it is game related then i think mafia are more likely to have head underwater feeling in that situation

Ahri

has posted almost nothing.

Here's her only post. Judging by the content, it's very much an RVS post.

VOTE: AidansFlame

flame = red

red = color

color = mafia

Why would there be a bigger chance for her being mafia than literally anyone else?

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I cannot make out anything that gives clues as to players' alignments from the first 114 posts. I'm not going to create post content out of nothing. Sure, that involves me taking a backseat and waiting for stuff to unfold, but I didn't have any better idea than that. There's not much more to it, and I don't want prods so there's that.

hmhmhm

okay, so you have noted that i have made a lot of posts! what do you assume based on that? what do you think gamestate looks like here without me doing so? do you think we are more or less likely to find the mafia because of it if i am town? (spoiler: i am town)

it's not the taking a backseat that i'm noting; i often do just that, it's that it kinda feels like you know what's going to unfold,

I'm not sure if it's AI at all to be fair. While you do make a lot of posts which contribute to the game, my feeling so far is that you've been opening a lot of chapters, but not committing to any of them very much. While this generates discussion, I cannot see you going towards any concrete direction, and thus this could also be scum playing it carefully and attempting to gain towncred for "trying to solve the game" without getting your hands dirty. I don't really understand the supposed connection between me and other players or the case on scum me to be fair. I don't see a possible way for me to know what's going to unfold, town or scum, too.

Or maybe I just don't really understand the points you're making and I don't have the time to read it in to extreme depths. That can only be blamed on my real-life engagements. I'll try to do contribute more towards the end of the day and we still have more than three days for that.

My instinct, however, tells me that you're not someone I want to eliminate Day 1.

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OK I get what you're saying Greeting, but the push being founded out of essentially air can still produce good results.
Ahri isn't going to die over it and atm you are disrupting conversation about the slot.
Just back off a bit, it'll be alright

My experience is that it usually doesn't. I've only once randomly hit scum Day 1 in a game.

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Ahri

feels lazy on the surface. (referencing posts 194, 195, 196, 197, and especially 198) But I've scumread player Save The Dragons for a similar game style too.

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I believe it is time to rebuke the VOTE: Radical Rat and realign my retinae to recognise and resolve the predicament the position presents.

What is the case on

Radical Rat

?

Quite simply, I do not have one.
As I said, I wish to resolve the present predicament the position presents in part by holding a poor presence yet oddly powerful posts.

Good enough for me, at least for now.

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MrCakes feels colorful
Greeting prolly town

What's so towny about me?

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So many null reads in this game. Ugh.

We have players like

SirCakez

who's picking random stuff commenting on it and moving on. No follow-up, no nothing.
We have

anahit

, who's a content-generator, and this could come from both town and scum.

I'm sure I'll feel the urge to dive into this game soon

Mood tbh. Or maybe I won't. I'll be sad if I don't, because I am trying. Or maybe I'm not trying hard enough. Ugh.

Like, I'm being null and bland myself, but at least I can admit that. Can something that's more likely than not to be AI happen please so I can comment on that? I'd rather vote out someone who at least seems scummy than just pick someone at random.

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The Sad Maiden with Long Braid.

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well,

you see, the mafia know the towns and the mafias, and potentially more about the setup and so forth

Please point me to why you think any single player knows more about the setup than others.

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I have read all of the posts so far and they're NAI to be fair.

And what does this say about my supposed knowledge of the setup?

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The Sad Maiden with Long Braid.

Wait,

MHTP

clarified they meant someone else, in 261. Never mind that.

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I have read all of the posts so far and they're NAI to be fair.

And what does this say about my supposed knowledge of the setup?

that you aren’t asking yourself the why question with regards to anyone’s play

like it’s not just that post it’s the whole sequence like i said before but phone so

and it’s like, why wouldn’t you be asking why question? why when i put to you more specifically do you think of it as like ‘anahit’s play could come from town or scum in a vacuum’ instead of like ‘why is she playing like that here?’

So you're assuming that I know something more than others because of my playstyle? I don't think there always needs to be a "why?" behind every single post in the game, and that's especially true for town. Personally, I've not been thinking why I'm making any single post in this game whatsoever when making it. I've been pretty honest and open about my thoughts, and I'd rather say that than cling to a random post for nothing. It's super easy to trump someone who stands out for whatever reason. Someone could scumcase you for posting in large amounts. Someone could make a case on

MHTP

for their peculiar phrasing. Or

Ahri

for reasons I said in 238. My experience of playing mafia on this site just makes me think it's not really AI at all.

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I have read all of the posts so far and they're NAI to be fair.

And what does this say about my supposed knowledge of the setup?

that you aren’t asking yourself the why question with regards to anyone’s play

like it’s not just that post it’s the whole sequence like i said before but phone so

and it’s like, why wouldn’t you be asking why question? why when i put to you more specifically do you think of it as like ‘anahit’s play could come from town or scum in a vacuum’ instead of like ‘why is she playing like that here?’

So you're assuming that I know something more than others because of my playstyle? I don't think there always needs to be a "why?" behind every single post in the game, and that's especially true for town. Personally, I've not been thinking why I'm making any single post in this game whatsoever when making it. I've been pretty honest and open about my thoughts, and I'd rather say that than cling to a random post for nothing. It's super easy to trump someone who stands out for whatever reason. Someone could scumcase you for posting in large amounts. Someone could make a case on

MHTP

for their peculiar phrasing. Or

Ahri

for reasons I said in 238. My experience of playing mafia on this site just makes me think it's not really AI at all.

but like that’s what i’ve tried asking you

like you say someone

could

scumread me for posting a lot

and multiple times you noted simply that i am posting a lot

which yes compared to game sure given

but my posts aren’t just empty right

at no point is there any evaluation of what i have posted

simply that it is a lot and that that fact itself could be scumread

right so it doesn’t feel like you don’t know my alignment

That's not true. I already answered this in 236.

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but you don’t really have to evaluate me anyway

that’s not what i’m saying here

just like, we have to find mafia without one of the major benefit of usual failstates,

and you weren’t doing that, like you know what is behind doors

What do you mean by "usual failstates"?

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also i don’t mean you should be asking other players why -

rather yourself, as how else can you find mafia,

like if all of the posts can be made by players of any alignment, and you know some of the players have to be mafia, how do you determine which of those posts were made by mafia without asking yourself ‘why is x making this post’ ‘why are they viewing the game this way’ et cetera

I... don't. I'll just wait. Sorry if that's not a satisfactory answer to you.

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but you don’t really have to evaluate me anyway

that’s not what i’m saying here

just like, we have to find mafia without one of the major benefit of usual failstates,

and you weren’t doing that, like you know what is behind doors

What do you mean by "usual failstates"?

let’s say we are playing a newbie,

what happens at e-1 when we wagon town day 1? and mafia?

now what happens in this game?

If I'm town and we voted out a townie, I'm looking at the vote tally and analysing the way the players voted and try to figure out information that way. Generally, scum want to look as clean as possible and have townies vote out a scum, so they would spread votes. Sometimes I go after the miselimination wagon, other times I go for players on the remaining wagon(s). I think hard data is more reliable than post content.

If we hit a scum, I strongly focus on players who weren't on the scumwagon as I think bussing a teammate Day 1 is a really bad scum strategy. I will, however, consider the order in which the players on that wagon voted. Like, sometimes scum would just think that bussing is inevitable and they would jump on it to make themselves look cleaner.

There's also a slim probability that the scums adopted a different strategy, but I treat this train of thought as a good starting point and think of whether the scums decided to deviate from it on the way.

It's rare that I'm convinced someone is 100% scum Day 1. Day 1 is most often random or, at times, a trainwreck.

so we don’t have failstate

so we have to find mafia in one go

Except it... just doesn't really happen.

OK I get what you're saying Greeting, but the push being founded out of essentially air can still produce good results.
Ahri isn't going to die over it and atm you are disrupting conversation about the slot.
Just back off a bit, it'll be alright

My experience is that it usually doesn't. I've only once randomly hit scum Day 1 in a game.

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I haven't yet caught up with everything that happened. I'm hoping that tomorrow I'll have the time and energy to reread the whole thread and pick someone who at least seems slightly scummy.

As for the "informed" part, my answer is that I don't believe that I know more about the setup than any other player in this game.

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What is the case on Radical Rat?

Wait I missed this
Why does there need to be a case on page 7?? Wtf??

And speaking of follow up, you dodged this

I thought I already answered this, in posts like 241 or more recently 328.

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I want to freshen up my vote VOTE: greeting

Any particular reason for this?

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So it’s OMGUS. Except I never even scumcased you for this, just merely commented on the behavior. As for your complaint for people pinging you for this, my guess is that the logical solution would be to not do it or stop letting it bother you.

This game has not changed my opinion of Day 1 reads. Meh.

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So it’s OMGUS. Except I never even scumcased you for this, just merely commented on the behavior. As for your complaint for people pinging you for this, my guess is that the logical solution would be to not do it or stop letting it bother you.

This game has not changed my opinion of Day 1 reads. Meh.

Your posts are disingenuous and illogical
How is that OMGUS? You didn't even vote me

What I meant was - you're voting me just because you think I snubbed you. And the truth is, I don't believe I did.

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I am not sure if my vote is still valid after

Radical Rat

's replacement so in case it isn't then VOTE: Toogeloo.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to read the thread thoroughly as I wanted to. I still do wish to play though. If, somehow, I make it to Day 2, I will contribute more. If not then oh well, farewell. Haven't been gotten my head around this game anyway.

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If I do get miselimmed, I would advise to look for scum in my wagon. There’s surprisingly little opposition to it, the majority seems to be either supportive or indifferent to it.

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Thanks for the game!