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So Mala is prob town.

I don’t see Mala scum poking me out of the gate.

I think Toog might be in need of a jab here.

VOTE: Toog

Semi serious vote as more votes than probable scum size are in this setup so Toog can’t genuinely believe that statement. Yet Toog doesn’t vote anyone or move the game along.

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How is suggesting a Greeting, Mala, Roden, momo team moving the game along?

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Correct. I was in a rush and missed her post as I have to work now.

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Math, do you legit think that making an RVS vote vs not is actually an indication of someone being scum or is this just a policy vote?

Neither.

It would have been fine if Toog had done just some bear pun and left it alone.

It’s more that Toog said something that resembled content that is logically impossible that pinged me.

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In other words it looks like poorly faked content versus just an RVS vote.

I don’t think Mala intentionally wants attention from me if she’s scum.

It seems not like her.

Granted these are RVS reads but I am confident enough to state them to get the ball rolling somewhere.

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Don't forget MegA.

I'm not a bear though I'm a rabbit

It’s okay
I take all cats,bears,rabbits in my townie hood.

No pandas though.

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In other words it looks like poorly faked content versus just an RVS vote.

I don’t think Mala intentionally wants attention from me if she’s scum.

It seems not like her.

Granted these are RVS reads but I am confident enough to state them to get the ball rolling somewhere.

What kind of attention do you think Mala would expect to get from you from an RVS vote?

It’s a huge risk that I just tunnel her if she doesn’t do it right.

I tend to be very reflexive.

So I don’t see Mala intentionally poking the bear if she is scum so to speak.

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Oh idk I've only played the one game with him, and he was town there. So like, it's at least not wholly scum indicative.

I dislike this entire exchange from 39->41.
It feels disingenuous.
I think there is a scum in Van and Cat.
Probably Van.

If you don’t like the wagon speed then look for scum who agreed (regardless of if you agree with the logic or not).
If anything the people on wagon are more likely to be town as quick hammers this fast rarely happen.

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VOTE: Toog

This is the fifth vote on Toog. Bringing someone to L-2 on post 37 without so much as a comment (even just one saying that it's L-2) is not the best look.

You're right, sorry.

VOTE: Momo

This is E-5.

Momo and Roden is probably TvT.

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VOTE: Toog

This is the fifth vote on Toog. Bringing someone to L-2 on post 37 without so much as a comment (even just one saying that it's L-2) is not the best look.

You're right, sorry.

VOTE: Momo

This is E-5.

Momo and Roden is probably TvT.

I mean mathematically you're right but why do you think so?
I actually dislike that post by momo quite a bit

I dislike it too but I get where momo is coming from.

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Roden was also pretty snarky with that post.

I have trouble detecting it and could feel it from here without a stethoscope lmao

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Still don't see how that would implicate town!momo but I see your point on roden

Generally if someone thinks the same thought I had (before I post it) they’re usually town.
Doesn’t always work but it’s enough to start

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In other words it looks like poorly faked content versus just an RVS vote.

I don’t think Mala intentionally wants attention from me if she’s scum.

It seems not like her.

Granted these are RVS reads but I am confident enough to state them to get the ball rolling somewhere.

What kind of attention do you think Mala would expect to get from you from an RVS vote?

It’s a huge risk that I just tunnel her if she doesn’t do it right.

I tend to be very reflexive.

So I don’t see Mala intentionally poking the bear if she is scum so to speak.

Explain how you get an RVS vote "wrong" in a way where it matters if the vote is specifically on you?

Mala if scum, can make a bad push and get me to tunnel her.

Once I tunnel on someone it’s very difficult for me to switch.

So if she pushes me then she could end up in that tunnel which is bad for scum Mala.

Therefore it’s likely town Mala.

I feel this is getting repetitive. You’re asking the same question different ways.

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Oh idk I've only played the one game with him, and he was town there. So like, it's at least not wholly scum indicative.

I dislike this entire exchange from 39->41.
It feels disingenuous.
I think there is a scum in Van and Cat.
Probably Van.

If you don’t like the wagon speed then look for scum who agreed (regardless of if you agree with the logic or not).
If anything the people on wagon are more likely to be town as quick hammers this fast rarely happen.

Maybe I'm wrong about what Cat was referring to but I'm pretty sure nothing we were saying was related to the wagon speed, it was about your imo terrible take on toog

Yeah I think you’re scum if Toog is.

You entirely glossed over my point
If you assume I am being “weird” for whatever reason/alignment you put on there
You’re continuing to focus on me being “weird”
Despite a noticable wagon having picked up.
It’s odd to say the least.

You could also see why others voted Toog? I have already explained it a lot.
So not quite sure how that helps you sort me but I can definitely see shade.

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Was

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really brought to E-1 with RVS votes?

I think E-2 but yeah it was close.

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In other words it looks like poorly faked content versus just an RVS vote.

I don’t think Mala intentionally wants attention from me if she’s scum.

It seems not like her.

Granted these are RVS reads but I am confident enough to state them to get the ball rolling somewhere.

What kind of attention do you think Mala would expect to get from you from an RVS vote?

It’s a huge risk that I just tunnel her if she doesn’t do it right.

I tend to be very reflexive.

So I don’t see Mala intentionally poking the bear if she is scum so to speak.

Explain how you get an RVS vote "wrong" in a way where it matters if the vote is specifically on you?

Mala if scum, can make a bad push and get me to tunnel her.

Once I tunnel on someone it’s very difficult for me to switch.

So if she pushes me then she could end up in that tunnel which is bad for scum Mala.

Therefore it’s likely town Mala.

I feel this is getting repetitive. You’re asking the same question different ways.

I understand and generally agree with everything you're saying here, but the question I have and the reason why I'm asking this is because I don't understand how "pushing on you" specifically as an RVS vote could cause what you're talking about.
It's obviously possible that Mala comes in and gives a very scummy RVS vote for some reason, but even then, why would it matter that the vote is on you?

And I already explained it’s because of my personality and that I am a tunneler.

You’re really pushing my patience here.

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And fwiw I am shading you, I think the reads you've given so far have been so bizarre that it's hard to believe a town could believe them.

Except a good chunk of the game agrees, so it’s not bizarre?

You not understanding something doesn’t make it weird or bizarre.

It only means you don’t understand/agree.

Your single unilateral focus on me is a bit weird.

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JV where art thou?

Are you beary scared to post because you’re a panda?

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1) I don’t like you adding emotion to posts that did not have any.
2) The post seems fake and I explained why.

The post from Toog was anyone not voting me didn’t have a town role PM.

That list is the people not voting Toog. I admittedly forgot Meg in a hurry and noted that.
Toog said suggesting a team of that many people (which is logically impossible) moves the game along.

The entire post just pinged me as weird.

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I'm feeling roden and megazumarill town

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I agree. Doesn’t explain how you’re getting from there to voting me?

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How are they absurd?

The definition of absurd is wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.

57 is me noting that Vander has an exclusive focus on me. This is a verifiable fact and can be looked up. This focus doesn’t seem correct to me so I theorized that if Toog is scum then Vander is a possible buddy. This is not unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.

64 is me commenting that just because someone doesn’t understand an argument doesn’t make it weird or bizarre. It means you don’t get it.

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I think that the wagon speed is a bit unnatural, but I don’t find it scum motivated either. More than likely one scum at most?

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I meant I agree with the explanation they have for mind melds, though I'm not sure I agree with the logic behind it?

I mean saying that is town!Momo I just don't feel really makes much sense to me at the moment?

It does to me because I gelled with momo’s thought process. However considering you’re not the first, I will reassess after future posts.

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Seems weird to be handing out town and scum reads within the first 4 pages. How's everyone so good at this game?

I don’t claim to be good.
It’s more important to get something out so discussion starts.

I view mafia as more a collaborative painting.
You can’t have an accurate view of the game until the game starts.

It’s posts like that that don’t comment on the game as a whole that are suspicious to me. Because town!you isn’t like that.

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This game for example.

Almost every post is about something in the game
And in that game you were the GoAT.

I don’t buy you posting stuff like that in the opener.
And I don’t buy town you back handed complimenting either

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I view mafia as more a collaborative painting

I'm ok at finger paint and stick figures.

Okay

Then let’s try some stick figures

VOTE: unvote

Out of cooperation, just put down thoughts.
What are some thoughts of what you have read?
I don’t care if it’s “weird” give me something

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Okay good start. Why do you say that?

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Okay so then you know a scum has posted because of the number of people posting…

When you are reading the thread just write every thought that comes to mind on a piece of paper
When done reading, read your paper, organize it, and post that.

If you note any contradictions what are they and why did they happen?
If something is remarkable highlight it.

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Okay so then you know a scum has posted because of the number of people posting…

When you are reading the thread just write every thought that comes to mind on a piece of paper
When done reading, read your paper, organize it, and post that.

If you note any contradictions what are they and why did they happen?
If something is remarkable highlight it.

@Toog did you do this?

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Okay so then you know a scum has posted because of the number of people posting…

When you are reading the thread just write every thought that comes to mind on a piece of paper
When done reading, read your paper, organize it, and post that.

If you note any contradictions what are they and why did they happen?
If something is remarkable highlight it.

@Toog did you do this?

Uh, no. Never done this before, and not gonna start now. I do the tried and true "skim read and respond."

Yet you’re missing the “and respond” part pretty hard.

VOTE: Toog

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VOTE: Momo

First serious wagon of the game should be here
Only 3 posts so far (which is NAI) but 1 is an rvs vote, 1 gives lamist vibes, and the other feels like poor logic because it wasn't reasoned out and was just wanting to look solvey.

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Not liking this vote from Meg.
Nagl when Jackson Virgo has less posts and just an RVS vote.
So why momo over JV?

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This is confusing.

You agree momo’s posting is theatrical but not necessarily scummy.
But then vote momo?

I think there’s a lot happening here.
Toog is refusing to give a single read of which the amount of defenses of that are suspicious.
There’s also a broad scattering of votes that can be critiqued.

It just seems disconnected that there’s nothing to go off of then vote a random player you said was Townie.

I don’t get it?
If trying to start RVS again maybe someone who isn’t giving reads like Toog or JV makes more sense. (Yes I see that JV has RL but town or scum can have RL.)

I mean hell at this point with how obstinate Toog is being they’d make a great vig shot.

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I don't give in to ridiculous demands.

I think this is fair, but there were other ways to productively interact with Math that you didn't do.

This.
It’s not a ridiculous demand to ask for one logically possible read.

And yes to whoever said that before technically Toog said something that resembled content but it wasn’t logically possible. At work can’t go find that post sorry.

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Ngl
I have never seen toog this active before in a game. Maybe that’s mainly I have been in large with him

He’s active. I’ve never seen him like this.

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Vanderscamo gets a free town read for displaying common sense.

Like this. This shouldn’t be like trying to get a misbehaving doggo on an exam bed.

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Exactly. I figure the best way to get people to play is to pressure them.

I can’t pressure Jackson because floods are NAI but I can pressure Toog. Combined with the poor intro and what could be characterized as a scumslip about how people are forming reads I really want Toog to do something. Toog is clearly capable based on the game I linked with him. So I want to see something close to that.

The closest thing I found is Toog townreading Van for “common sense”

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Vanderscamo gets a free town read for displaying common sense.

It’s here and it’s after Van votes momo.

Yet it’d be so incredibly simple to say Toog scumreads momo.

It’s something Toog refuses to do though and Toog refuses to vote Momo.

I think the simple answer is Toog is scum here.

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You do realize how ridiculous you are asking me to have reads during RVS, and then basically turning almost every post in the beginning of the game into something about me, don't you?

One read and some content is not unreasonable.
Reads change over time.

Having an opinion on something is not unreasonable.

What is with the thread and hyperbole?

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You must be a blast at book club, Math. Your interpretation of things read is wild.

No other player in the game has occupied more discussion than me.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ve_Lurking

I think this is textbook you right now.

It’s up to you to convince me otherwise.

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I didn’t even know you were in this game. I’m like who’s wave mode!!

Anyways I’m starting to think Marh might be town because he’s starting to tunnel on toog early, although, I’m not really agreeing with the reasons why he’s tunneling so early

Why do you disagree?

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VOTE: Momo

First serious wagon of the game should be here
Only 3 posts so far (which is NAI) but 1 is an rvs vote, 1 gives lamist vibes, and the other feels like poor logic because it wasn't reasoned out and was just wanting to look solvey.

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Not liking this vote from Meg.
Nagl when Jackson Virgo has less posts and just an RVS vote.
So why momo over JV?

I feel like 121 pretty clearly explained why Meg's voting for momo, and why are you going to bat for momo? Do you townread him?

I am going to bat for momo because of my initial townread of momo and the logic for the momo wagon I disagree with.

I think someone not posting reads is a better elim than someone who is.

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I explained why I disagreed in the post. It feels very selectively applied. What is said about momo there applies to a lot of players.

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There’s no one being sus though?

So inactive/doesn’t want to contribute is a pretty good elim.
There’s stuff I disagree with but nothing inherently scummy except Toog’s refusal to post a read.

I don’t see that from momo’s post. It just seems like they said they’d look at the Toog wagon start of day and I would do so whatever Toog’s alignment. (To be clear I think Toog is scum).

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Fine with putting them…
Who is them?
I don’t follow the pronoun usage sorry.

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Yeah Vander’s posting is better than day start. It’s no longer scummy just disagree with it. If Toog is scum though then I might revisit that.

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I don’t think that answers the question?

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I read Greeting’s question as why Toog more than momo. Can you answer that please?

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Oh. That's not how I read it. Cause toog's content is even making an attempt at being game advancing and there's a lot of it compared to small from momo and something is there.

I disagree with that.

How is lolcat advancing the game? Looks like active lurking to me.

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It should say "toog's content ISN'T even making an attempt," apologies

(see where my vote is)

Got it.

I am scared of you buddying me if Toog is town. Can you disagree with me on something please?

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It should say "toog's content ISN'T even making an attempt," apologies

(see where my vote is)

Got it.

I am scared of you buddying me if Toog is town. Can you disagree with me on something please?

Don't you townread momo?

I do. I just am nervous you’re buddying me so I wanted to check.

This feels too easy that it’s just Toog/JV/momo.

But everyone else feels town so I am paranoid.

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K, if everyone has weighed in on me, I'm ready to be eliminated today.

People's stance on me should be telling enough information to work with going into Day 2.

I'm town reading MegA, Van, and wave. Any of those slots get eliminated Day 2, I'd be a sad panda.

We have six days left and we're only on page 9. I don't really get the point of giving up like this when there's been like...three people max who have shown suspicion towards you. And even then Math is probably the only one you could say is tunneled.

If you think people's stances on you should be telling if you flip town, then you should currently have that info now. Who's scummy?

Really liking this post.

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I didn’t even know you were in this game. I’m like who’s wave mode!!

Anyways I’m starting to think Marh might be town because he’s starting to tunnel on toog early, although, I’m not really agreeing with the reasons why he’s tunneling so early

Why do you disagree?

My issue is that you are going after him for not have solid reads, but it’s the beginning of the game. I mean now that everyone is starting to get active /maybe/ he should have some soft town reads & scum reads, but Iagree with him that the game won’t be solved by page 4

I wasn’t asking him to have it solved by page four.

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Mala you aren’t scum are you? Was my read too hasty on you?

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I don’t? His issue is hyperbole? You are representing the hyperbole as fact.

I am asking for the town effort I know Toog can provide.

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I am asking for the town effort I know Toog can provide.

You do realize that at this point, I'm just playing this way to spite you, right?

Why? I am not hyperposting and am not being toxic.

Why would you play this way just to spite me?

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Lolcatting is a verb. It’s more treating everything like a joke. I am bad at explaining subjective things

“A humorous picture of a feline, accompanied with a witty caption intended to create laughter.” That’s the literal definition from urban dictionary

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Gonna be busy with work
Toog Momo is looking more likely and my momo initial read may be wrong.
Happy with either
Their posts after prod are underwhelming

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Intent

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So let’s play a game to get content
If momo is scum who with?
If momo is town who is scum?

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I feel like I can just town bin Mala at this point tbh.

Please explain because I kinda wanna scum bin her

Sorry Mala

Kittens are cute but I am scared you’re scum

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So let’s play a game to get content
If momo is scum who with?
If momo is town who is scum?

Initial thought here was that the wagon likely isn't pure town regardless of the flip. Everyone on it doesn't look particularly bad though, I like Greeting the least but they're always like that.

In an world where this game is easy then the team is something like Momo/Toog/Virgo. Hard mode and a red Momo flip means heavy bussing happened. Town flip is extra hard mode and I'd rather wait for night results and the NK instead of pre-flipping after a mis-elim.

I kinda feel Mala and Momo and maybe Toog or a deep wolf. Mala was way too fast with that greeting vote and Momo should be claiming yes.

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Greeting wagon looks sus as hell.

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Momo Jackson Mala is my solve

VOTE: Unvote

If momo gets to E-1 I will likely hammer so fast it will make your head spin.

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Mala doesn’t vote Jackson yet says Jackson’s vote is sus.
Instead she keeps it on Greeting.
Thereby she does and doesn’t want Greeting to flip.

Jackson defends Mala finding it sus. Instead of trying to sort her.
That defense is rather sickening tbh.

Like this has bad bus all over it.

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I’m not really getting worked up. I’m just finding it sus. There’s a difference between trying to sort you vs scared by one vote. (Hint: I’m not even nervous at all)

Of course you'll find it sus. Omgus is a concept that exists

As I said in a Discord mafia game. If you are Town, you knoe you are town and thus a case against you always looks like its wrong. In your case you seem ti be taking it as I am scummy for doing so either becaysr you are scum defensing yourself or yoy are town thinking its too stupid and thus scum. When its neither.

This is a defense of Mala

“Of course you’ll find it sus” It’s about propping her thoughts up as valid versus analyzing her slot.

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Care to explain why you’re still on Greeting then and not on momo?

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Why would I be on momo. What have I said that would have me seem 5o want to be on them over greeting. Did you not read my posts at all.

Mala is my second interchangeable with yourself

Because momo is scum who didn’t claim on E-1?

I don’t know what the rest of that means what’s a 5o?

I read your posts. Greeting doesn’t seem sus and seems a name picked at random.

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Why would I be on momo. What have I said that would have me seem 5o want to be on them over greeting. Did you not read my posts at all.

Mala is my second interchangeable with yourself

Because momo is scum who didn’t claim on E-1?

I don’t know what the rest of that means what’s a 5o?

I read your posts. Greeting doesn’t seem sus and seems a name picked at random.

5o was mispelling of "to".

I call absolute bs on you reading my posts because of you did you would have known I haven't fully caught up so I had no clue momo was wagoned to E-1. I also have told my reasonings for my read on Greetings, but from your wording I assume you believe that your reads are final and all others are just random.

Oh but you definitely read my posts. Quit lying.

I am thinking you made a case on greeting because momo did
It doesn’t make sense at all. Random is generous

I have no interest in discussing it when you won’t vote scum Momo

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Nah greeting won’t happen. Bad wagon
It’s composed of all my scumreads who won’t vote someone who didn’t claim at e-1
At that point the argument is irrelevant

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Math

I’m not going to hammer someone without a claim

Sorry not sorry.

Not doing what I did to Wisdom and lost the Pokémon game for town

So the fact you’re “scum reading me” because of that is utter BULLSHIT

Then all scum have to do is never claim and win
Momo should have claimed and didn’t.

Any other wagon is pretty much scum trying to save momo.

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I do. If momo is a TPR it’s on him for not claiming. He’s e-2 btw and I will hammer.

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VOTE: momo

This should flip scum

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Also roden is a townread FTR

Yep agreed.

Momo is scum with Jackson should be clear and time will tell.

Just gotta wait for the flip.

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Greeting wagon looks sus as hell.

I hate the fact that both of them jumped on it only after

momo

made the case. Not earlier than that. Just because someone suspects me doesn't mean their case is bad. As for the real reasoning here it is probably "eh,

momo

's gone for it, let's jump on".

Agreed. It shows that momo was more looking to escape than be town

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I think Jackson is dead by d3 barring him towntelling hard. I would rather get the scum that scum don’t wanna elim. Malakittens might just be bad town but yeah momo needed to die.

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Huh? I am confused? I didn’t say you were faking mental health stuff? Who is this directed at Mala?

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Oh got it.

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Because greeting is a cw to momo. Short of Jackson and Momo intentionally bussing a buddy together I don’t buy it

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He’s mean but he’s probably a town meanie

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I think Greeting said you’re faking the tone is how I read it.
I didn’t read it as faking mental illness.

A lot of the game is fluff. Momo not claiming and not posting and overall just blah convinced me.
There’s also things of Jackson’s that are bad that are best discussed when we have votes.

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Mala and Math, why did you guys hammer momo yesterday without a claim?

Give me 24 hours and I will explain.
Just not right now.

I need to see one last thing develop/set in.

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Fwiw I think retrospectively that wasn't a good wagon from the moment they didn't claim. Not that I caught that at the time but it's quite sad

Can you give me your reads please? You’ve been awfully silent on reads and it would help out a great deal.

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Great question for tomorrow after work

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I really really wish JV would give reads.

It’s like painful.

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Greeting is there a reason you bold player’s names?

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Greeting is there a reason you bold player’s names

I bold the names of players who are playing in that particular game. I also bold my own name in the rare case that I am referring to myself in the third person. If I refer to a player who isn't in the game (usually in the context of referring to another game) I don't bold their name. So no, this isn't some secret code in case you're wondering, it's just a way for me to organise my own posts.

As for the reason, I just like doing it and I feel like doing it.

Give me 24 hours and I will explain.
Just not right now.

I need to see one last thing develop/set in.

I really hope to see a convincing explanation from you in the next 12 hours.

You will.

I just doubt you’ll see a read from Jackson ever but I hope he proves me wrong.

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Anyone TR Jackson?

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Math are you claiming a guilty or something

Do you think I am?

Do you have any reads?

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Math are you claiming a guilty or something

Do you think I am?

Do you have any reads?

Yea I do and yea I do.

Which are?

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Well if you have a guilty on JV I scumread him that's for sure

And if I don’t?

What about the rest of the game?

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Math's play feels very preemptively gambity. He's up to something, but I'm not sure he even knows what he planning yet.

Why do you assume a plan?

What reads do you have?

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So you

are

winging it?

I gave my town reads earlier.

I didn’t say either way.

I asked why you were assumed a plan.

I said I will explain and that is what I will do.

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It does feel like you're building up to some sort of reveal. Is it tomorrow after work yet?

Almost I have dinner than call with my mom.

So a few more hours still.

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I claim N1 Novice Vigilante-Doctor.

I am actually a vigilante doctor. Not quite a vig but same effect. Because I didn’t believe Jackson’s claim and thought he was rolefishing I poisoned him (which is a delayed vig) and he will die on a set night. No I won’t say which night. If scum want to save him they will have to make a case and I can stop the effect.

I am pretty much a Joat with (redacted), poisoner, unpoisoner.

The risk is minimal if Jackson truthtold as N1 and Novice are contradictory.

Because I was a Joat I figured it a safe enough risk considering I am a Joat.

So if anyone townreads Jackson now’s the time. I was giving him and everyone else every opportunity to see if he should live.

Because Jackson didn’t want momo elimmed I felt it’s a pretty good elim.

That being said Toog’s reaction was terrible

VOTE: Toog

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So I don’t want Greeting because Jackson wanted Greeting
And I don’t want Mala as I don’t think she kills one of the people vouching for her.

So let’s just elim in Toog and Dwlee and Jackson can just die at some point.

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That’s why I said in. Not both.

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What is your flavor Mr JOAT?

Veterarian

I crumbed it with thinks like stethoscope:)

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I can’t spell tonight but it’s animal doctor word that starts with V

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Roden was also pretty snarky with that post.

I have trouble detecting it and could feel it from here without a stethoscope lmao

Here you go

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VOTE: Toog

This is the fifth vote on Toog. Bringing someone to L-2 on post 37 without so much as a comment (even just one saying that it's L-2) is not the best look.

You're right, sorry.

VOTE: Momo

This is E-5.

Momo and Roden is probably TvT.

Also damn I was right.

I really just think my early reads are spot on and it’s Toog + JV + 1

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Tbh math I didn’t think Jv was claiming there. I thought he was just joking while replying to a joke that toog made.

Either way that post makes me think Math is town because I don’t think scum math would let pOtential-Pr-JV live.

Nah if I was scum I let JV live (assuming JV town) because N1 + Novice anything can never act

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math did a dumb revealing if I am dead anyway

Not really
Me revealing and dying is protown
They can either shoot me which limits the PRs they can shoot
Or they can leave conf town (soon as you flip and there are two deaths)
Or they can gamble which night you’re supposed to flip and shoot you to avoid confirming me but then another Townie lives

There’s no good answer for scum and I like that

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Greeting / Mala
Who do you think is scum with the other person?

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Math, do you legit think that making an RVS vote vs not is actually an indication of someone being scum or is this just a policy vote?

Neither.

It would have been fine if Toog had done just some bear pun and left it alone.

It’s more that Toog said something that resembled content that is logically impossible that pinged me.

I mean it came off as a joke to me with Toog. More so because of his avatar.

Any particular reason I am a 91 degree triangle Toog?

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Lol. Leave it to me to miss the math joke while work is being weird.

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Can you please do it without the colors?

Or with different ones? I can’t see some of them

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Again Mala/Greeting: Who else is scum?

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I just got done with two long shifts

I will read this later. I am beat. Give me a bit.

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Math why not toog over Jv?

Also if greeting is scum; a potential partner would prob be someone I’m null reading. I don’t really have the greatest grasp on a lot of players this game tbh

Because I don’t think he as VT manages to guess two of my joat powers.

So I think it’s best elim Toog and let Jackson die

I will read arguments later to see if they can explain that.

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I know for a fact that MathBlade is in a state of ego-tunnelling and that fighting against that is useless if he has the power to kill me alone, I am dying and even if I do get out of it, everything I have done to this point will leave me as elim-bait later in the game which I know is not likely going to change because all my town games where I get suspected early on all end the same.

?? How am I ego tunneling

You didn’t give reads D1?

I poisoned you for claiming my role?

Where does ego fit in here?

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1. Unlikely. That’s too specific
2. Informed.

Even if I am tunnelled that isn’t because ego? This is a very weird path Jackson.

And I agree Dwlee Toog is more active as town.

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Toog feels radically different from here
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I can't tell the difference.

Toogeloo

feels null to me.

Plus he's apparently scumreading

Cat Scratch Fever

whom I'm also slightly scumreading so that's a plus for him.

Jackson and Toog are on CSF so CSF is town to me

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Dodging the prod as it’s birthday weekend.

Could go Dwlee today

Hey that’s content

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VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

Doing birthday stuff little time to post

Whatever Jackson’s alignment it’s clear he doesn’t like my play

But Occam’s razor is you’re informed scum versus coincidentally joking two roles together out of the hundreds of normal roles there are.

Occam’s Razor is the simplest answer is usually right and it’s much simpler to be informed and joking than unprompted guess my role

I feel it’s in bad taste to say Occam’s razor is with you when my entire argument is it is not

But at the same time I want to see if you’re town so going to be on your wagon. If CSF is town you die at some point
If it’s scum I might not poison you

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But at the same time I want to see if you’re town so going to be on your wagon. If CSF is town you die at some point
If it’s scum I might not poison you

Ill get to ur other points when I get home but I would like to add that u should kill me regardless to confirm your role. If you do not, everyone should assume you are scum.

In addition. Why are you assuming town!me relies on CSF being scum? I am town and thus I havr no idea if they are actually scum or not yet u are acting likr I have redchecked them and thus a 1 for 1.

That was a misspeak in a hurry I meant heal you

But yeah I see your point.

I was trying to bluster you to see how strong your CSF read was.

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But at the same time I want to see if you’re town so going to be on your wagon. If CSF is town you die at some point
If it’s scum I might not poison you

Ill get to ur other points when I get home but I would like to add that u should kill me regardless to confirm your role. If you do not, everyone should assume you are scum.

In addition. Why are you assuming town!me relies on CSF being scum? I am town and thus I havr no idea if they are actually scum or not yet u are acting likr I have redchecked them and thus a 1 for 1.

That was a misspeak in a hurry I meant heal you

But yeah I see your point.

I was trying to bluster you to see how strong your CSF read was.

I am confident in it but I am not a fool. By no means am I certain.

Now the question I have for you. Do you reciprocate the read at all or is your vote purely just to solve me in a sense

More a vote of consolidation frustration. None of the wagons I want are progressing and explanations don’t help
So I would rather flip who you are saying then use your flip and that person as a barometer for the game. I will be dead and you will be dead so it’s like whatever

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More a vote of consolidation frustration. None of the wagons I want are progressing and explanations don’t help
So I would rather flip who you are saying then use your flip and that person as a barometer for the game. I will be dead and you will be dead so it’s like whatever

Can you throw your cases my way in one post preferably instead of quotes because as it stands now I think we both are on as good ground as we are gonna get and I want to read from a state such as this rather than when I was repulsed by your gamestate

I don’t have time for cases no

And I am a wee bit tipsy because bday weekend

Pretty sure my cases would be more unintelligible than usual

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Mines more strategic

If you’re scum CSF town then Toog or Dwlee scum is pretty much proven
If you’re town CSF town then town knows that find scum on wagon
If you’re town CSF scum then woo hoo we got something out of it
And if you’re scum and CSF scum then hooray

So I kinda see no point towards doing the brain engagey shit while tipsy

There case done much as I care too atm

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It’s just all logical bases here so it kinda makes sense to vote CSF here

If you take JV’s alignment as heads and CSF’s alignment as tails and take four coins on a table and arrange them you cover all bases.

Then ask what each alignment means

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I tried to start wagons on you and Toog. They both failed

Nothing is really picking up traction so between trying to wagon inactives and no pressure on inactives make me sus you all more.

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To read the alignment into Maths abilities they would need feedback on their heal. Otherwise we can only confirm their killing portion which is what I want to happen, them backing out of it with a heal is worthy enough to elim them.

Once I die, and if they can heal with feedback you all can confirm that portion of their ability.

is anyone here townreading dwlee? and if so why

Nope I don’t.

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Tbh my wim for this game is just blah

I’ve caught scum
Case is airtight
It’s a freakin counterclaim
And we can’t even elim CSF to prove it
And I am just

So my wim is gone

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So like it’s the strategically smart move and we won’t do it so I am like *sigh*

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CSF/Mathblade is a very very very likely team.

You haven’t seen me as caught scum

I am just losing my desire for the game

Caught scum is my favorite thing to play

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Yeah I get town too think incorrect things about the gamestate when scum

See L word All Wolves and one game with Commander Shepard

I even miselimmed town with a player confirmed guilty

I almost won a game as mod confirmed scum by a newbie mod.

I enjoy scum.

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Example

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Lmao I was tipsy yesterday and had my bday party

And point 3 isn’t true

You’re arguing meta incorrectly then say I can’t use meta to defend myself

It’s mindblowing

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Shouldnt matter what you think of me as ur killing me. Whats up with that

Because while I think you’re scum
I am also doing the thing you asked where I consider you not
And if you are scum I get spew
Win win

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Okay I've done thinking

VOTE: MathBlade

I think this is scum

Looking back to D1, the hammer on Momo is extremely out of character for MathBlade. It seems like straight up openwolfing where the Math I'm used to cares a lot about claims and mech but here he just completely blew off Momo even getting a chance to claim. Momo's last post is them at E-2.

I think what Toog said about Math's scum pattern is also +++ which is why I revised my read on Toog. From Math's point of view it makes no sense to do this "oh well let's lim CSF to prove JV is scum" cause shouldn't JV just die tonight anyway? Unless the poisoner is a fake claim that they plan to "unpoison" JV tonight the whole thing just smells fake

Yes JV should die on SOME night
I did not say which one
If scum have an unpoisoner and I say which night they undo it.

And lol from Toog and my scum pattern it’s bad.

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v/la because work

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Was that Math? I feel it was math, if it was I want them out

I wanted you dead soon as you claimed vig doctor

I hammered momo because it was an acceptable risk given I was a Joat. The odds of momo being scum without a claim went up exponentially. Mala challenged me to see how strong my read was and because of me being the PR I am I took that risk.

If you hammer me while VLA good luck. I think what I have done and continue to do is the mechanically smart play.

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Tbh I scumread you Mala I just never wanted to vote you. So well done.

Gg sorry my wim is hard in general atm

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Yeah I think partially I just need a break.