Mini 2270: Spring Fling!

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I buy it.

Hate that I'm in the majority section. I explicitly don't use the neighborhood PT, so uhhhh yeah, that's the price of doing business with me.

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I did when I was scum yeah

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Honestly maybe we just quarantine me/Ydrasse and make us policyleave if we ever get to ELO, two birds one stone.

[Prism]

Shrug. I have no thoughts. Time to get food.

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The policy can be enforced via vote, which is why I used "make us". The important part is actually not having to choose which one of us to get out.

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get owned bell

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I don't think Dunnstral belongs in there. He knows I can talk about myself and hypothetical selves all day, and it doesn't take much to exploit.

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can someone just write me a one page guide on how to scumhunt or form rational thoughts again my mind is shot for the night

[Prism]

Hey Andante...?

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I'm sure I'll regret this later when my brain snaps back to this dimension and replaces the mice covered in dorito dust that currently reside in my skull

@Pooky to be clear that is intended to be a real proposal to Andante

[Prism]

I guess I can provide some reason here.

Enthusiastic start, not primarily defensive, very good reaction to Bell. I still feel confident in my ability to sort her longterm even if not immediately.

And fundamentally she seems to want to and doesn't mind me not really using a neighborhood. So shrug. Slightly concerned that we'll be too easy of a nightkill choice but there are worse problems to have.

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I know im playing with fire but me asking ydrasse to dance vs prism asking andante.
one is extremely scummy and the equivalent of "anyone want to dance?"
but the other is like apparently so towny that the dance is happening.

how does that make sense

Well, first, I'm not the player that weighed in on your proposal to Ydrasse. Andante was. Maybe she's a better fit to answer. It's also unclear if this is a critique of me proposing, of Andante accepting, or both, because asking about Ydrasse is fundamentally different than asking "anyone" and you treat them as equivalent anyway.

Second, Andante posted that because she's like the energizer bunny or the smiling dog in her picture, eager for more posts and to run around and grab the stick and bring it back and have someone throw it again so she can grab it again and shake head to play with stick pretend it is squirrel oh no they take stick and they can throw it and where stick go there stick must move legs fast and....

Fundamentally I think that enthusiastic pro-activity is a bit +town for her. That's a read rooted in meta. While I didn't comment on it before, I think your Ydrasse reaction is null at best. Just rote pursuit of early/pregame pocket target is plausible.

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Absolutely true of Andante re: read being very dependent on someone's read on her, but that's something for someone who struggles to get townread to exploit, where they need a specific person to pocket and can't rely on a town majority.

Perhaps other players think that is true of me...but I don't think it is.

[Prism]

I get what you're saying. My point is that I don't grab a shield. I don't need one. I grab a two-handed claymore and get to work. I give someone else the shield.

[Prism]

I literally am not going to post in the PT lmao

Maybe I'll post some 20s waltzes or videos of a maxixe

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No reaction to the pairing itself, Bell?

[Prism]

Can we leave Bell out lmao

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I know I chased him down the block for it, and he openly admits it's a jumble

but that's a bunch of random pairing speculations with zero attempt to actually weigh in on or gauge whether the proposal/acceptances themselves were indicative for either individual

also I didn't even think about S/S until you brought it up, that pairing would actually have a ton of potential lmao

[Prism]

so I feel if I ask you how your approach to mafia has changed from 2021 to 2022 I would get a novel in response

This one's actually very short.

It hasn't.

[Prism]

I just realized that you said 2021-2022, or one year.

I actually thought you said 2012-2022, as in a full decade.

Same answer though.

[Prism]

40 was a joke that I did not anticipate to actually get taken up, but it's legitimately a viable strategy.

You also definitely know that, delusional or not, 175 is dead serious and legitimately reflects my own beliefs.

[Prism]

Well, alright then, but it's also not like I'm known for my passive townplay, and while aggressive early in D&C I was openly sandbagging Day 1 because I thought it'd be fun.

Either way I'll go to bed rather than create a back/forth web. I'm skeptical that you overshoot so several in your reaction to D&C, from virtually no respect to earth-shaking, but maybe I'm wrong...and I am willing to wait!

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In Bell's defense I was the one who asked and challenged him on his lack of Andante/Prism reaction

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I'm just so wildly thrown by Dunnstral actually being this verbal and forthcoming with reads at all, not even just the one about me. He normally just plays super closed and minimalist until some decisive moment. Occasional reads/questions but 80% held in reserve, closely guarded state secrets.

Like is this something about the setup? Where is the real Dunnstral? Who on earth is playing on his account?

[Prism]

Can't really sleep. Skimmed mykonian. Has been a few years...or ten....since I read his games.

Don't really see the issue. Classic "Why get in the way?" reaction to Bell, naive and doesn't know the Lovecraftian cosmic horror level of spam that these specific two players will throw up if left unchecked.

[Prism]

Not sure how much time I'll have for this today, have other projects I need to work on.

Not really enthused by readslists continuing to leave out me/Andante. Somewhat contradictorily, I'd like to frame conversations more explicitly about who should be left out.

Right now I'd want Bell or Noraa left.

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Broadly, Noraa plays with a goal of fooling specific players she respects. She did it in Forest Fire with Hectic, though with the "I wish I was scum so I could!" curtain thrown over it.

Wouldn't at all surprise me to see it being done with Ydrasse here.

More nitpicking:

not like i would catch scum ydra anyways, why not

This is a great reason to not pair with Ydrasse, but is presented as the opposite.

[Prism]

Fuck I remembered the pronoun change right as I hit submit

My sincere apologies

[Prism]

I was about to ask if you had anyone you wanted left out instead, bless you

[Prism]

I'd be happy to see Cephir get a partner so far. Shared read on Noraa for the most part, bar not terribly high.

[Prism]

The good news is that even without the meta I haven't liked your play and still want to leave you out so haha yeet

[Prism]

Shockingly OK with that

[Prism]

Anyone meta reading me, i'll say this again: its not gonna work.
On ydrasse, maybe i'd try to appeal to her but i qould never suggestdancing with her. She replaced into two of my acum elos and made me lose both. Theres no reason to place my entire endgame on ydras sr on me

actually maybe not? if the above is true, then i'm not sure why scum!noraa wouldn't use the "yeah i can't actually read ydra lol" as a way to get AWAY from pairing with her, and not TOWARDS pairing zirself with her

It's literally not true because she tries to beat specific players. It doesn't matter if it might not work. "I wouldn't try to dance with her" is a lie. She should get left.

[Prism]

Ze should get left

god fucking damnit

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plus datisi, if im scum, isnt it best if ur in a pt with me? if i ever seem transparently red, you can just send the post and whisk us out of the game. easy.

well, yes... with the very important asterisk of having to actually be able to read you correctly

Ze also brings someone down with zir instead of getting flat out left as scum with no gain

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Shockingly OK with that

y are u ok w/ that?

You were my second choice to be left behind but I don't think either of you or Ydrasse are going to stubbornly die on a hill for one another. I beg of you not to prove me wrong.

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is the narrative "brings someone down with" true actually given the setup

did you do the math or do you want me to, because i think it's actually even worse

[Prism]

is the narrative "brings someone down with" true actually given the setup

did you do the math or do you want me to, because i think it's actually even worse

i considered it and it does seem

ungood

bc like you can't even really pair up with a towny partner without them going to another pair that has someone kinda scummy and say

"hey look at me come join me"

I meant that literally extra town are required to die before the wincon can be achieved.

Scum left -> Town NK -> Town pairing leave -> T/S -> T/S = 4 dead town.
Town left -> Town NK -> Town pairing leave -> T/S -> T/S -> T/S = 6 dead town

This isn't too surprising a conclusion because it's an elim but yes, pairing with scum does mean they will bring someone down with them.

[Prism]

fire/Luke sounds fun because it's just site youngblood, comparable styles

I haven't read either for alignment so ?_?

[Prism]

Ydrasse was questioning if it made a difference in dead town # if scum got left vs. got paired. It does.

[Prism]

(You can throw in a town/town voted out pairing in the first scenario to show that the leave feature functions virtually like an elim. None of it should be surprising)

[Prism]

Ask fucking Ydrasse, I'm the one arguing not to waste the fucking elim

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Like I guess the original framing makes it seem like one is better than the other, which is what she was questioning and it seems roughly equal, but my point was it is infact better for scum to pair up, shocker

[Prism]

I actually didn't realize the N2+ kill on didn't work by eliminating pairings, still only single players. I knew the first was only solo but assumed the rest were lover kills.

I fuckin' hate mechanics

[Prism]

Alright well, fucking up the fundamentals yet again, so if anyone needs me for anything too bad.

I'm buying a fifth of vodka and a giant box of chicken tenders. Someone can come drag me out of this ditch in the morning.

[Prism]

We vote out pairings to leave during the day, and pairings can force a partner exit.

Scum nightkill a player, though, not a pairing.

I knew that for N1 but (wrongly) thought it killed pairings afterwards. Looking more closely, no nightkill ever eliminates both partners.

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??????????????????????????

Why did you swap from your previous stance?

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Sorry, my brain is mush atm, can you walk through 435 and wanting to pair with them more explicitly?

It looks like you're thinking in terms of a final town pairing that should endgame, and that Datisi or fireisredsir should be a part of it. The "most important" gentlemen seems to be the one to do so. I'm just confused as to why you're wanting to be with Enchant of the 4 options.

[Prism]

I see now, thanks!

[Prism]

Big fan of Malakittens giving content. I might be biased and understimating them but it's just been awhile since I've seen that much, not since WH13.

Enchant, not saying you should accept Myko, but is there someone you'd rather pair with?

[Prism]

maybe

dunnstral/mala
lukewarm/Datisi
cephir/fireisred

luke+ceph swap works too

[Prism]

My suggestions were made by looking at the set of 3 gents/3 ladies with Noraa left out. I spitballed who might like the style or PT of the other. There were no alignment judgments involved beyond leaving Noraa out.

[Prism]

I've also been very thrown by Dunn's openness and think 563 was a fine post.

Doesn't really move the needle on either for me. I wasn't townreading Dunn, and really am not townreading anyone beyond Andante. Noraa has to either distance or convince us to leave someone else out.

[Prism]

Very reasonable last sentence. I don't know what anyone's reads are for the most part, weren't a factor in my suggestions.

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won't be around until tomorrow

[Prism]

y'all ain't living right in this thread

y'all need help, spiritual help

[Prism]

realized the above might be offensive in light of religious persecution of several groups, common shit posting theme of mine that I should probably stop, not at all serious

[Prism]

I've loosely kept tabs but have felt like shit all day. At some point I'll weigh in on the walls and the back and forths but right now my eyes glaze over and I can't summon the will to care. Whatever happens happens.

[Prism]

people want a ceph and fire pair?? fire is mafia... I'm pretty sure ceph isn't

You’re mafia, I’m pretty sure. Or you’re extremely anti town for no reason which sent my TR of you to the Stone Age.

i logged in and this was the first thing i saw

horrible fuckin read

[Prism]

Prism, one of (myko, enchant), but never both
Dunn

should get policyflipped

[Prism]

if there's one thing lukewarm knows to watch for from scum-prism it's completely AFKing

not a response to bell's last post

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Would Lukewarm actually doubt you when you said you had RL stuff to deal with.
My policy has always been “just believe them, because the other option is ew”.

i felt like shit yesterday but it's been 2 days and i haven't even tried to really steer shit

also i literally do not care how bad i feel, as scum i have posted while throwing up and sick, i have posted blacked out alone in a ditch lmao

[Prism]

some people call such pride neurotic i call it competitive

[Prism]

you're not my catboi and also yesterday was just a bad migraine

my point is that luke thinking i am scum here is nonsensical when he fully knows i am obsessive and exacting control freak

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Yeah, but that’s a bad idea and you should take care of yourself and just say “sorry everyone, I’m sick I’m going to focus on that, will post feeling better”

why do people have to announce here when they're sick?

he's suggesting a healthier alternative to my neurotic obsession with complete control/winning as scum, see 891

not saying anything about this game

[Prism]

assuming that's a dance pairing formation, looks like i'm joining hands with noraa and policyvoting that pairing

[Prism]

Mala can you just accept lukewarms offer. pretty please

oh nevermind nuke them both

[Prism]

at some point i should stop spitballing and actually read the last 20 pages of mess but i don't want to actually throw up rn so maybe later

[Prism]

i felt like shit yesterday but it's been 2 days and i haven't even tried to really steer shit

also i literally do not care how bad i feel, as scum i have posted while throwing up and sick, i have posted blacked out alone in a ditch lmao

i am concerned about your life choices

u and me both

Spoiler:

First was during a stomach bug and I'd still do the same tbh, but for the second I haven't had alcohol or any kind of substance in 2 years, have gone strictly vegan, and generally put a gigantic emphasis on my physical health now w/ exercise, sleep schedule, etc.

so no worries

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Aight w/e guess I'll stop being a prick and go set up at a coffee shop or something

ftr Andante I don't know if I'm more disgusted with you being a productive member of society (exam) or a social one (getting drunk). If it getting drunk was alone in your room at degen hours I guess you're still an acceptable partner.

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Aight w/e guess I'll stop being a prick and go set up at a coffee shop or something

ftr Andante I don't know if I'm more disgusted with you being a productive member of society (exam) or a social one (getting drunk). If it getting drunk was alone in your room at degen hours I guess you're still an acceptable partner.

drunk alone (with my animals) and we watched some baking engineering!!! 10/10 show!!!

Andante is truly the Russell to my Carl Fredericksen

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Alright now I'm actually driving and will do shit in ~1 hour. No quality assurance.

[Prism]

Aight I'm rereading from scratch

If you want me to keep a close eye on something speak now or forever hold your peace, my eye right now is going to primarily be on Luke with a side of whatever Dunnstral's been involved in.

[Prism]

I am on page 3 and my reads have completely 180'd. A great sign of things to come.

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The most notable swap for me so far is I don't find Noraa as bad, and I actually really, really like 132. I did not think targeting Ydrasse is the "never never never" she made it out to me given her treatment of Hectic in Forest Fire, but I now no longer think it's an active negative.

Still like Mykonian's entrance, not as sold on Andante's as I initially was. The early energy I like but not as sold on the reads/reactions themselves. Nullish.

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Might owe Bell an apology, damn.

[Prism]

Andante, my wonderful partner who tolerates my two left feet, do you mind tl;dring the fire read? I'm sure it's there somewhere but would be appreciated.

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And I don't really care.

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Any other tips for me to immediately throw in the trash with the millions of others I've gotten in the last decade?

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If you have a real question about why I have that takeaway from Forest Fire I'm happy to backlink you the specific posts. I don't really care about the lecture, but go off it it helps you feel better.

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Through page 12, still like Ydrasse, Noraa stonks have gone up and still feel better about zir. Page 10 is kind of ironic in that Ydrasse essentially shared my concern but doesn't get the long berating for it.

I'm about to have to go but I'd say:

Town
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Ydrasse
Mykonian
Bell
Cephrir
Noraa
Andante
Malakittens
Dunnstral
Enchant
Datisi
fireisredsir
Lukewarm
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Scum

I like Ceph's first set of posts, Malakittens I remember liking. Enchant through fireisredsir can go in basically any order and I expect a lot of volatility still.

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I've also gotten rekt by Ydrasse repeatedly but oh baby am I ready to get hurt again

[Prism]

Alright, I've got to go but I got up to page 20 so I'm calling that a W.

My readslist hasn't changed but I think this post from mykonian is very underrated

To Prism:

I don't think the pairing matters so much. I am not very interested in the neighbourhood.

The final lady gets the "hammer" on two competing "l-1 wagons".

Those two I believe will think about it because they have already given thoughts on the game that can be judged. It is the key decision of today, I want it in hands of town or if we get fooled into a scum forced to make it seem reasonable.

As is their entire set of posts on page 20. I think they realize that Enchant accepting really kicks a lot of predictability and scum agency out the window with the playstyle clash, and he fundamentally wants to be able to leave with a scum if required.

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Oh, and was unsure how much to buy the mech dumbtells around that time. Me, Lukewarm, fireisredsir all not understaning the mech. I suspect it was easily missed even for the scumteam so my current stock is zero.

[Prism]

I would love to hear what about my play has been scum-indocative to you. I am inclined to think it is complete bullshit and that you scumread me never in this scenario.

[Prism]

Alright, let's see if I can get through these last 19 pages in one sitting. Again, if there's anything anyone wants me to pay special attention to lmk

[Prism]

Weird that your "gamestate read" ignored all knowledge of the gamestates I actually create, as though I don't sit there and club and choke all life out of the town for weeks on end with tone, fake encouragement, traffic control, etc.

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I would love to hear what about my play has been scum-indocative to you. I am inclined to think it is complete bullshit and that you scumread me never in this scenario.

Looking at this question (and their reaction to me having them in the bottom half of my reads in general) also gives me heebie-jeebies, but in a convoluted way that I don't know would be convincing to anyone else, or useful to try and articulate.

Search engine function says it's actually a linguistic towntell

4/5 games, all town. Haven't checked for it against my alts but wouldn't surprise me to see zero, very situational phrase to use as scum.

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Darkest Dungeon, Undertale, WH13, Forest Fire, Signs were all town games. 2017-2021. Not commenting on the one ongoing that's in there.

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I'm fine leaving Dunn out over Luke, and it's probably better that way. I'm still not fully caught up but I doubt I will ever read Dunn with any degree of accuracy, pretty sure if Luke is scum I will break him over my knee and throw him in the river in good time.

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Ah yes, the aggressive style that was explicitly intended to meta/tonally match my town ones in Forest Fire and Slaughter Hour. Very spooky.

[Prism]

Do your reread, the meta defenses are boring

Nah, I'll just quit both.

[Prism]

It might, in fact, be laughable and abjectly terrible.

[Prism]

Clearly I am having more fun being a complete prick than playing mafia so it is time for me to stop posting for now.

[Prism]

I plan to circle back later tonight to finish the last ~10 pages. I am sorry for how vicious and apathetic I have been this game, and for the fact that it will likely happen again. I will try to rein it in.

My stance right now is unchanged. I'm not sold Noraa is town, but I prefer both Dunnstral/Lukewarm to be flipped over zir. I don't mind waiting on Lukewarm.

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You might want to hold yourself to your own standard and elaborate on these "scum vibes"

[Prism]

Shame you seem to have taken the loss in D&C so hard. It was the worst scumgame I'd played since 2016.

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If only this was an original thought, or even AI.

A lot of my play as both alignments revolves around taking generalized meta patterns of mine (ex. strategic angling, maximizing EV) and making the argument that they apply to specific situations, thus making me town. I leave it to the town to puzzle out why it doesn't hold true when I am scum, whether for circumstantial differences or intentional tradeoff.

I don't think there's a grudge. I just think you're either scum or town afraid of their own shadow.

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I've been pretty transparent about it. If that's the main thrust of your case beyond using the same argumentative pattern I always use, then sure I guess.

P-Edit: I think I should be null to nulltown.

[Prism]

Well, one of us is right or we're both wrong. I guess we'll see how it all shakes out in the end.

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I am not as confident in my ability to read Dunn as Nora is

I am actually at a peak low in confidence right now in general. but i just ugh i dont know. like im being tunneled and it's affecting my read on the game in general. and dunn is one of the few people i feel like i can read and theres just a lot of internal paranoia because of the game state and trying to read dunn.

i have a lot of worries about this read because i struggle with my own thought process a lot of the times. like what's going through my head, i kid you not, is like
dunn has to be scum
what if im pushing dunn because i want to live another day
what if dunn isnt scum and then i die tomorrow because i mislimmed them
no no dunn has to be scum
but dunn could maybe say that as town
what if dunn's meta completely changed
what if im being overconfident
no no dunn is scum
oh wait i could maybe see town dunn saying that
oh my god people are agreeeing with me, so im wrong right
wait but thats not a good metric
agh maybe im overconfident
no dunn is scum

Can someone with meta not from a year ago weigh in on how frequently these seemingly over the top performances are from Noraa as town? This one made me raise my eyebrow a bit.

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1030 is fundamentally a different point from your own. You're comparing two specific ways I interacted with you to D&C, and don't care if my broader play differs. From what I can tell, what matters to you is that I guffawed at your scumread on me.

Dunnstral is taking issue with a very specific template of argumentation that was used extensively in D&C. He doesn't really care about what the argument actually contains or concludes, it's the

pattern of argumentation

that he is skeptical of. It doesn't matter what the variables inside the argument are.

[Prism]

i almost want to say i'd rather we leave out ceph today becuase im going to feel bad about dunn regardless of what they flip. becuase if they flip town, my overconfidence killed them and i die the next day so it's just chaining up town eliminations.

if they flip scum, i also feel bad because they could've been alive at endgame and played an excellent game which would have been completely shattered by me.

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Prism]

935-1030 comparison is reasonable IMO. Sorry.

[Prism]

Raise your hand if you have ever felt bad about catching scum through dayplay

[Prism]

I've never once resonated so deeply with Datisi as I did on page 32.

Also Dunnstral 100% had the right POV w/r/t "Substantiate the meta claims" argument y'all wild. If ze's caught Dunn off of the difference before link posts.

I've gone through Dunnstral games previously (circa WH13) and saw virtually no difference on this front. I hated earlier that suddenly softenings/more openness was introduced and still have no clue why the dude is suddenly more open and forthright in every conceivable way.

[Prism]

Datisi after reading post 800 highlighting Dunnstral's 774, which I thought was one of the best posts in the game to date, I will die for you.

I will die for you.

[Prism]

Guess it says a lot about me that I have never once felt that in 12 years of play

hahaha welp

[Prism]

Lukewarm, do you believe that I have softer stances when I roll mafia?

This is going to be a very unsatisfactory answer, but I don't have a conscious metric by which I read you.

But there are some games that just scream at me that you are town despite you getting semi-widely scum read, because you feel exactly the same way you did in our first game.

First game being Divide and Conquer, following games that screamed at me that you were town being Shakespeare and Web of Lies (prior to your FN reveal).

And then there are games where you don't feel that way: Those being Control (I spectated that game), Isekai, and Bloodstained. 2/3 of those games are scum game.

This game, your vibes were definitely in the second category.

I am very skeptical of this read looking at all three of the cited towngames but I'll circle back later when I'm not trying to catch up.

[Prism]

I was just joking. But I’ve certainly written a “poor x if they got caught because y”

I just don't think I'd feel bad for "ruining a grand masterpiece" by...catching the person I always catch, especially not when I'd be

using the same thing I used to catch them in every game

[Prism]

Alright I'm back to where I start being a jerk again I'm calling it there

New reads list drop

Town
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Ydrasse
Mykonian
Bell

Pretty town
======
Datisi
Malakittens
fireisredsir

Townlean
======
Dunnstral
Cephrir
Andante

Null
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Enchant

Scum
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Noraa
Lukewarm

Originally I had Dunnstral up in "Pretty town" but he can still be scum just dunking on nerds making bad arguments. Nobody ask me why I townread Bell because I don't know why, I just know a small hamster wearing a very special wizard hat presented me with a glowing green beacon and solid gold coin imprinted with the insignia of the bell

[Prism]

I have read so much shit tonight so I am DONE see you TOMORROW but both Noraa/Luke shot all the way back down in a flash kick them OUT

Newfound #1 Datisi-stan after the late 700s/early 800s I will fight Pooky to the death in the aisle of a Costco over the title

[Prism]

Andante you have like 112 posts left, would love to hear more from you and about why fireisredsir is scum

[Prism]

I have been particularly critical of reads on me for as long as I can remember, but I want to make it a point to note that in the event you are somehow town, that is probably the single worst read I have had given on me since making this account. Not even close.

[Prism]

That vague line stuck out to me and I went digging.

When I have actually encountered scum!Dunn, I was super impressed. Like he walked out of day 1 near universally town read, and was my number 1 town read.

I think that Dunn gets scum read a lot as town, but when he is actually scum its not the case. That is basically the same reason I agreed with you that

him ghosting this game makes me lean town on him.

I actually associate low activity as + town for Dunn

Plus I felt like he was poking at JC's easy early town reads over her posting style, when he could have just let his partner sit with it

which are decisively not "vibes" or just random god-granted gut feels but very specific actions. I stopped at MT after going through multiple threads because I found a bunch of neighborhoods, references to a "main hood" etc all interwoven and wanted to finish catching up.

God help all of this town's souls if I key in on that one line and go through and find the receipts on it as scum for zero reason.

[Prism]

very concrete actions/inactions, rather

[Prism]

Your scumcase on me is literally "They guffawed at my scumread on them in D&C and they're guffawing at it here" when the games are not even remotely comparable in playstyle, execution, or tone.

You got hounded by me for throwing me in there because you saw a world of meta difference, zero attempt to control the game or keep real tabs on reads/pairings. You've seen me hound players a million times and you almost certainly saw it in Forest Fire.

Actually a physically disgusting read.

[Prism]

Noraa should actually be #1, I got it flipped in 1052.

[Prism]

ALRIGHT SLEEP

[Prism]

I just woke up today, read a fuckton of pages, argued a whole bunch of shit, and at the very end of it decided to randomly receipt-check a one line vague read against three different games while knowing (as hypothetical informed scum) that it was already legitimate

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...Do you understand why, hypothetically if I am town, the two quotes from D&C and Shakespeare, each of which cite a shared concrete behavior from Dunn, with a second provided in Shakespeare, gives me real pause and concern about the legitimacy of the more vague "just screams at me" where Dunnstral's alignment appears to be somewhere in between a bowel movement and divine revelation?

Note that "firm grasp [holistically] of reading Dunn" does not mean that you are YOLO gutreading, it meets you are not completely confident or certain of what tells are decisive. I am very happy to tell you what you meant given that you cited concrete actions & inactions in the games.

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I see you counterpointed it with a quote from Web of Lies about not using activity explicitly to read him. I'll revisit in the morning. I think 1075 is mostly fine as-is, since it is primarily questioning my own intent behind the read while you are so worried I am playing "Gotcha!".

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I am interpreting 1079 as a scumclaim. I will be completely shocked if that is somehow a legitimate thought process, and it will probably be the first time I ever blame someone else for my own wrong vote.

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You again willfully ignore that my D&C push was explicitly and very exactly matched tonally & stylistically to pushes I have made as town over the last calendar year. I will readily own up to the tone being almost identical, and I have highlighted my agreement repeatedly.

Just an incredible amount of bad faith argumentation.

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Ah yes, the aggressive style that was explicitly intended to meta/tonally match my town ones in Forest Fire and Slaughter Hour. Very spooky.

This links to two posts describing stylistically how my push was carefully crafted to mirror the tone/meta of my town shoves.

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The tone and phrasing I use in shoving you matches because I went very far out of my way in D&C to make it match [my towngame]. This was flagged for you repeatedly in that postgame and again flagged for you immediately the second you first made the comparison. It should not be a surprise that my pushes look similar in tone given this.

I do not blame you for not townreading me for it. However, nothing else about this game comes even close to D&C, especially not before I started hounding you, and is virtually the opposite. Meanwhile 1075 is an abjectly terrible post.

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lmao, aight, if you're town we'll talk about it postgame!

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Actually, we won't, but you will have your answer.

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1079, thought the mistake of saying 1075 is quite humorous.

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I almost forgot you literally took issue with how spooky some of my phrasing this game was then I instantly linked to where I repeatedly and exclusively used that phrasing as town in the last 5 years

lmao

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My key points fell into neither of those categories, I gave several qualitative critiques of two slots' posting in this game, none of them initially involving me, without reference to meta except very tangentially.

It does require you to read something written by me, which is admittedly unfortunate and probably too much to stomach.

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1040-1052

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Woke up

feeling like P Diddy

grab a brush and put a little make-up

still feeling exactly the same as I did yesterday.

Prefer Noraa left over Luke.

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Andante, my wonderful partner who tolerates my two left feet, do you mind tl;dring the fire read? I'm sure it's there somewhere but would be appreciated.

Andante you have like 112 posts left, would love to hear more from you and about why fireisredsir is scum

You're welcome to leave the dance with no elaboration on how or why and lose all further agency if you want. I'm not sure where that even came from, but you can do it, yeah.

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Oh, iirc you townread both Noraa and Luke.

Well, we'll see what happens when one flips.

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No worries, take care.

You have to pick between Luke and Noraa. Your last request didn't count because you didn't bold it. I encourage accepting Luke.

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it sounds like I'm just super behind... sorry yall :/

ya there's lots of useful content you havent seen you might wanna try reading it when you can

after what you said last night i am HOWLING but you did work through it, she can too

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I miss the old 'Dante, straight from the 'Go 'Dante
Chop up the scum 'Dante, set on her goals 'Dante
I hate the new 'Dante, the bad mood 'Dante
The always rude 'Dante, spaz in the news 'Dante
I miss the sweet 'Dante, chop up the scum 'Dante
I gotta to say at that time I'd like to meet 'Dante
See she invented 'Dante, it wasn't any 'Dantes
And now I look and look around and there's so many 'Dantes
I used to love 'Dante, I used to love 'Dante
I even had the pink pony, I thought I was 'Dante
What if 'Dante made a post about 'Dante
Called "I Miss The Old 'Dante, " man that would be so 'Dante
That's all it was 'Dante, we still love 'Dante
And I love you like 'Dante loves 'Dante

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I worked back over the Lukewarm stuff at some point and am not really as sold on my Dunnstral read question FWIW. Read on me still horrible but he's in for a rude awakening when he finds out that my tone is in fact painstakingly standardized and NAI.

Heavily prefer Noraa flip.

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I don't think you did bruh

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I feel less bad now saying it was very strange Noraa gave me being a prick with the "Any other tips for me to throw in the trash?" comment a complete pass, rather than continuing to push me as a top SR

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Any bets on how long it takes Malakittens to notice her pairing got rejected for formatting?

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Bless

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Not bless

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Well, back to the drawing board I guess. Time to go chug some Elmer's all day.

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Our love was forbidden ;~; and one sided ;~;

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I won't be around until later today or tomorrow sorry

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This is a mafia game I might read at some point

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Aight, will buckle down and catch up in about 30 minutes

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I'm basically just going to throw all my reads in the trash and start over. I'm also sick of meta spitballing so I'm going to just play like it's a table full of people I have never seen once in my life and return to fundamentals.

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Pretty town
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Datisi
Malakittens
fireisredsir

Townlean
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Dunnstral
Cephrir
Andante