Mini 692: Boost Mafia (Game Over!)

[icemanE]

I'm not going to have time for a full reread before tomorrow, but I read the first few pages and the last couple of pages. My main point in any game is that there must be a lynch on day one. I have read the points against Jahudo and Huntress and would rather see Huntress lynched today than Jahudo.

vote: huntress

I got busy with exams, then instead of catching up I got addicted to World of Warcraft.

Lol. Reminds me of someone I know... me.

[icemanE]

unvote - vote: Jahudo

[icemanE]

I'm really sorry. I must have accidentally unwatched this game because I completely forgot it existed until I got a prod. I'll be posting something worthwhile very soon.

[icemanE]

Elderad's case look like bullcrap.

In quote 1 you are saying that if I am scum then one of {sthar, Electra} are scum with me.
In quote 2 you are saying that either sthar or I are scum.
What changed?

This is constructed to make something look suspicious that really isn't. Opinions change over time and one of the things that bugs me most is when people attempt to make a change of thinking into a scumtell. If it's something extraordinary, like if someone were to declare something a policy of their's and then violate it in their next post, that's one thing, but this isn't that.

If I were to pick between RR being town and elderad being town at the moment, I'd be leaning RR as town. However, a crap case isn't a scumtell.

[icemanE]

Those two quotes were about 18 hours apart. I think it is reasonable to ask what changed between those two posts.

In my opinion, 18 hours is enough time to rethink something.

Why do you feel that it is necessary to pick between the two?

I say that because I feel Elderad's attacks were scummy because they seemed stretched.

[icemanE]

boost: RR

[icemanE]

unboost

boost: incog

5 to boost, eh? Well, I'm OK with an incog boost.

I know I haven't done a whole lot this game. It's just been tough lately. I will try.

[icemanE]

@RR - can you give me a reason I shouldn't boost you?

[icemanE]

Why did you switch your vote over so quickly after only hearing Huntress's claim?

Because huntress was willing to claim instead of fighting it, which says something to me.

I asked RR why I shouldn't boost him because I want to know.

[icemanE]

The order isn't important. The timing and reluctance/willingness is. It's not protown to claim right when someone demands that you do it. The most protown time to claim is when it's necessary, and only then.

[icemanE]

Just waiting on that pbpa...

[icemanE]

You replaced way earlier than xtoxm and said close to nothing, how about doing an analysis yourself?

Hmm I think I already said why I don't like doing PBPA's - and I don't particularly like other people doing them, either, but I'm not going to lecture someone on how to play.

[icemanE]

Vig me instead.

[icemanE]

vote iceman
primarily because there is a lack of content, not just from iceman, but from all of the other players who have had that role. Possibly it suggests that

there is something in the role PM that incentivises them to keep quiet

[icemanE]

LAWL XTOXM IS SCUM LAWL

unvote - vote: Xtoxm

[icemanE]

Alright, I'll claim.

My role doesn't have a name. All it tells me is that I have an invisibility potion that I can use to investigate someone. It's a one-shot ability that I have not used yet.

My win-con is the same as the one in the sample pm.

Also I misread that conversation between RR and Xtoxm - turns out RR is scum, not Xtoxm. He's right - my role pm doesn't give a name, but I'm clearly a power role.

unvote - vote: RR

[icemanE]

Why did you seem to hint at having a post restriction?

To be honest - I have been lazy this game (as if that isn't obvious). I have really wanted to catch up and be more involved but it's been tough to make the time. However, I have finished the other games I was playing on another site and have more time to dedicate to this game now.

Why did you not use your claimed one-shot ability yet?

Forgot I even had it until I was asked to claim.

Why have you not made any effort to do any scum hunting all game?

See answer to number one.

what do you think of Raging Rabbit's contribution towards helping getting a scum lynched?

That it was a smart play by scum.

What do you think of his vote placement on the Jahudo-Godfather-Scum Power Role wagon?

Same answer.

I will be checking huntress with my one-shot ability tonight.

Why did you request to be vigged as opposed to lynched?

Somehow a mis-vig seems less bad for the town than a mislynch - I guess that's just the way I think. If we could lynch correctly today (and not lynching me is a step in the right direction), vigging me at night, if I still appear suspect, wouldn't be a big deal because it would be 1 for 1 if we got scum lynched today.

[icemanE]

Ok, remember that stretch of days and days on end where I didn't post? Yeah, that's cause I forgot I was even in this game. I replaced in and never clicked "watch this topic". So forgetting I had a power role doesn't seem too farfetched once you factor that in.

[icemanE]

Yeah - I got my role pm on december 17th. I glossed it over, took a quick look at the last 2-3 pages of the game, then night one started. My last post on day one was at 3:44 on december 17th. I didn't post again until I was picked up my prod on January 4th. I did not submit a night action on night one.

[icemanE]

I think it's probably worth lynching me at this point anyways. I'm going to be a target for the rest of the game and I would be the most probably lynch in a lylo situation, losing us the game. I'm not going to hammer myself if I'm put back at L-1 because we still have a few days for discussion, and I still advocate a RR lynch over my own, but unless the winds really change here I don't see him getting lynched. I'm being 100% legitimate with my claim, but my inactivity was not pro-town - therefore I think it might be a good idea to lynch me today in order to avoid endgame disaster.

And the last post RR just made is complete backtracking BS... which should be obvious too.

[icemanE]

I said unlike what xtoxm said, all claims we know of - including yours, btw - make it easy to deduce what role you have.

Just wondering, how does "guy with invisibility potion that can investigate one time" hint at a standard role? It doesn't, that's how.

Like I said, anyone with a town PM knows the PM does not tell you what you are.

False. Incog was told he's a vig. Guardian was marked as "doc". The sample PM very clearly reads "townie".

And then the contradiction:

I didn't say all PMs give a name

[icemanE]

RR - I don't understand you. You're obvious scum, and yet you press forward the idea that Xtoxm and I are buddies. If I die and flip town, are you suddenly going to consider Xtoxm cleared? How do you conclude that we're buddies? Agreeing that you're scum by no means makes us scumbuddies.

[icemanE]

What makes you buddies is, first and foremost, both of you being obvscum. Then there's the brief contrived vote on each other that's soon exchanged for a vote on me and a united front on the other guy being clearly town. Then there's xtoxm trying to buy you another night, preferably even a boost, and if he can get a town power role to counterclaim that'd be icing on the cake.

Yup, you caught us! That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you play scum!

I'm not going to get into WIFOM, but no. That's idiocy.

[icemanE]

I'd like to know why THREE completely separate-minded individuals (fuzzylightning, RandomGem, and now icemanE) have all SUPPOSEDLY had this role and not ONE of them questioned the validity of Electra's early INFORMATION ROLE claim.

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO ANSWER THAT.

[icemanE]

vote: icemanE

This is getting tiresome. I wish the town good luck - I'm not going to blame anyone but myself for my poor performance, but I'm also not going to waste time fighting for a lost cause. Not lynching me today would be a bad thing in the long run.

Peace.

[icemanE]

ugh.

unvote - vote: icemanE

[icemanE]

unvote

There's not really enough time for a replacement. I have been trying to play for the past couple of days - I really do think I will be a possible game-losing liability in a lylo situation.

[icemanE]

OK, I will have that in a couple hours.

[icemanE]

My top picks for scum are RR and elderad, primarily because they're so "sure" that Xtoxm are scum. Knowing that I'm not scum makes it easy to see how bullshit their cases are.

[icemanE]

Why the fake self-hammer?

Well I thought it was a real hammer.

Does your PM contain anything about what happens (or could happen) when you get boosted?

Nope. I guess I should ask the mod about that.

[icemanE]

I have pm'd the mod asking if I get a boost, but haven't heard back yet, and nothing in my role pm suggests that i do.

[icemanE]

Alright, answers in, I don't get anything from a boost.

[icemanE]

The mod seriously answered that question? I highly doubt this.

No, he said he couldn't tell me any more than what he said in the original pm, and there was nothing about a boost in the original pm. I thereby inferred that I don't have a boost.

[icemanE]

I do think that Xtoxm's actions look like pretty serious buddying up. That's why I wanted to make sure that RR wasn't going to dismiss his suspicions of Xtoxm when I flip town. I feel my lynch is more or less inevitable, and I do agree that we need to lynch today, so I'm fine with being the pick. I would look seriously at Xtoxm tomorrow. I will self-hammer if it gets close to the deadline and looks like no one else is going to do it, because today ending in a no-lynch would be a waste.

[icemanE]

I think she lurks, waiting to pounce, just like her avatar.

[icemanE]

I didn't lie. You are drawing your own conclusions about my motivations which are not correct. I didn't post because I was busy elsewhere, not because of my role. I used that fake softclaim about a post restriction as an excuse for not posting. That doesn't make me scum.

[icemanE]

and it looks to me like RR doesn't want me to investigate him tonight. He either A. Doesn't want to look bad tomorrow if I get a guilty on him or B. Doesn't want to look bad if I die tonight. He wants me lynched today to avoid either of those situations.

[icemanE]

Why would a townie ever softclaim a role he doesn't have?

I didn't soft-claim a role, I softclaimed a PR.

[icemanE]

Post restrictions are part of your role. The same question applies, town has no reason to do this. Ever. Also, if you truely were a one shot cop you'd have fought far more fervently to survive 'till tomorrow instead of your resinged act intended to make you look all selfless.

I think it's probably worth lynching me at this point anyways. I'm going to be a target for the rest of the game and I would be the most probably lynch in a lylo situation, losing us the game.

This is pure BS if you keep in mind that lynching cop-you tommorow is obviously more beneficial to the town than lynching him today.

Glossing over your posts, here's another painfully apparant contradiction:

My top picks for scum are RR and elderad, primarily because they're so "sure" that Xtoxm are scum. Knowing that I'm not scum makes it easy to see how bullshit their cases are.

I do think that Xtoxm's actions look like pretty serious buddying up. That's why I wanted to make sure that RR wasn't going to dismiss his suspicions of Xtoxm when I flip town. I feel my lynch is more or less inevitable, and I do agree that we need to lynch today, so I'm fine with being the pick. I would look seriously at Xtoxm tomorrow.

Suspicion of xtoxm goes from being a strong scumtell to something you encourage, all in the space of a few posts between which nothing drastic happened.

and it looks to me like RR doesn't want me to investigate him tonight. He either A. Doesn't want to look bad tomorrow if I get a guilty on him or B. Doesn't want to look bad if I die tonight. He wants me lynched today to avoid either of those situations.

I like how you're preparing yourself to claim a guilty on me tommorow.

This is addressing the bolded:

If you look, you'll see I said "My top picks for scum are RR and elderad, primarily because they're so "sure" that Xtoxm are scum." Notice I said "Xtoxm are scum". If I had meant that to be referring to just Xtoxm, I would have said "is", but I meant to put "Xtoxm and I are". So reread that quote with that in mind and you'll see it wasn't a contradiction.

[icemanE]

I think everyone would do well to remember what I said about RR pushing for my lynch for the reasons I stated. Please don't let him run this thing.

[icemanE]

How am I supposed to not vote you after you yourself admitted to lying to the town about your lurking?

I don't know, you're the one who did it...

and for f's sake, lying doesn't make someone scum.

[icemanE]

If I'm lynched today it's my own fault, I realize that. But I am not bullshitting my claim, and I really did forget to submit a night action. I do think it's worth having me around until tomorrow because whether or not you believe my claim right now, I will have a result to present tomorrow, which, if I'm lynched tomorrow, will prove that my results are accurate. That seems to make perfect sense to me. I have played poorly, I realize that. But we aren't at lylo, so even if we mislynch someone other than myself today, and I'm lynched tomorrow, at best I'll have a guilty on someone which my death will confirm as legit, and otherwise, I'll have an innocent and you can go into lylo with at least one cleared player. I ask that we lynch someone else today and am totally fine with being lynched tomorrow. Don't be surprised if I'm NKd.

[icemanE]

Also, when did you first begin feeling like "[Huntress] lurks waiting to pounce like her avatar"?

I only looked into huntress after you asked me.

I also don't really consider lurking a scumtell unless it's egregious. The "pouncing" was just because of her avatar.

[icemanE]

Now that you've seen my completely reasonable proposition, and seen that RR isn't going to unvote me to go along with a plan which has absolutely no holes in it, and that incog even voted me after reading it, please keep that in mind tomorrow. The only reason they wouldn't want to follow my plan is because it could be bad for them to be found guilty, then confirmed as guilty with my lynch tomorrow. Don't let them get away with it.

[icemanE]

vote: RR