Mini 692: Boost Mafia (Game Over!)

Xtoxm · Post Post #827 (isolation #0) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:04 pm

Hi guys!

Xtoxm · Post Post #829 (isolation #1) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:19 pm

Try no.

Xtoxm · Post Post #831 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:26 pm

Why should I claim?

Xtoxm · Post Post #833 (isolation #3) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:29 pm

Xtoxm · Post Post #837 (isolation #4) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:37 pm

I'm not answering anymore questions without my lawyer.

Xtoxm · Post Post #839 (isolation #5) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:52 pm

Yeh what he said basically.

Xtoxm · Post Post #841 (isolation #6) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:54 pm

Because why the hell would I want to tell you I have 2 votes.

Xtoxm · Post Post #843 (isolation #7) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:56 pm

I hadn't read the thread, and didn't know enough about the situation to form an opinion. Still haven't.

Xtoxm · Post Post #845 (isolation #8) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:57 pm

What do you mean

Xtoxm · Post Post #847 (isolation #9) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:00 pm

The boost gave me it.

Xtoxm · Post Post #854 (isolation #10) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:17 pm

Why are we boosting Incog? I'm not somfortable with that.

Are we allowed to boost the same person again?

Xtoxm · Post Post #856 (isolation #11) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:25 am

But we'd know we aren't hitting maf.

Xtoxm · Post Post #857 (isolation #12) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:27 am

And I figure you're all suspicious of me, but from the way my PM's worded I think I can be boosted again.

Xtoxm · Post Post #858 (isolation #13) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:15 am

Anyway my vote goes to

Boost Elderad

Xtoxm · Post Post #860 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:50 am

Cos he looks most town to me behind Electra, who i'm basically convinced is town.

Xtoxm · Post Post #862 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:54 am

I don't know! My towndar told me!

Xtoxm · Post Post #865 (isolation #16) » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:01 am

No i've barely read anything yet. Just got back to Sheff! Exhausted right now, will do a PA shortly...

I was joking on Eld btw, all it was was I liked his reaction to El's claim.

Xtoxm · Post Post #867 (isolation #17) » Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:27 am

I don't understand.

Xtoxm · Post Post #871 (isolation #18) » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:15 pm

To an extent yes, but I don't know what he actually thought they were, but my guess is a good as his.

Xtoxm · Post Post #874 (isolation #19) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:56 am

I can't expand without claiming, really.

Xtoxm · Post Post #875 (isolation #20) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:56 am

PA after my exams.

Xtoxm · Post Post #877 (isolation #21) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:19 am

No, I haven't.

Xtoxm · Post Post #879 (isolation #22) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:27 am

That's just the boost, guess it's a partial claim.

Xtoxm · Post Post #881 (isolation #23) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:44 am

Fos Huntress

Xtoxm · Post Post #884 (isolation #24) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:33 am

Whatever...

Xtoxm · Post Post #887 (isolation #25) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:48 am

If you're gonna just lynch me, i'll not bother reading.

Let me know.

Xtoxm · Post Post #893 (isolation #26) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:06 am

No, Sthar was very townly. You are quite scummy tho...

Xtoxm · Post Post #898 (isolation #27) » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:52 am

Vig a PR if you really want. I still fail to see how anyone can see Sthar as scum.

Xtoxm · Post Post #900 (isolation #28) » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:15 am

I fail to see what you expect to achieve by vigging a PR.

And i've already said, that's just the boost. Are you stupid?

Xtoxm · Post Post #902 (isolation #29) » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:21 am

Whatever, kill me if you want. I have no intention of playing this game being constantly called scum by everyone.

Xtoxm · Post Post #913 (isolation #30) » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:03 am

Volkan doesn't get anything though. We may aswell try and give a townie a power.

Like Eld.

I should be able to read this today.

Xtoxm · Post Post #915 (isolation #31) » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:49 pm

This game just got promoted to #1 in my catch up list. I'll try and read through it today or tomorrow.

If you just want to lynch me go right ahead, i'd rather not waste my time.

Xtoxm · Post Post #919 (isolation #32) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:50 am

Incog looks scummy in thw whole SL thing. And Spring looked very town.

I heard you claimed vig.

Incog, did you vig SL?

With a vig claim he's almost ceertainly town I guess, though it's possible Maf getting boosted gives an extra kill.

Xtoxm · Post Post #920 (isolation #33) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:52 am

Electra and Eld. The eraly claim, and his reactions around it look town. Eld looks town in general to me. Good boost target. Glancing through isolations I see no reason to chnage these opinions.

Xtoxm · Post Post #921 (isolation #34) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:12 am

Just realised i'm only looking for 2 scum.

Green Crayons (replacing Mana_Ku who replaced Skillit) - Lurky, but liking what he says and overall looks pretty town. Good first post, too.

Huntress (replacing Crazy) - Huntress herself; hard to read, and overall play not disimilar to that i've seen of her as scum. So I took a look at Crazy. Disliked his reaction to El's claim, and lurking, however I hear he lurks as town. But..I dunno, he just kinda feels sincere, and town, to me.

Ice - Doubt scum would ask to be vigged.

TDC - Dislike his reaction to El. He accuses her, then realises it's a mistake when questioned and Boosts her. Also dislike his recent attack on me, as with RR. I fail to see why anyone wants to boost him.

Raging Rabbit - Well I already know i'm gonna call him scum, but i'll look at his posts anyway. Good reaction to El. His general early play comes off pro-town.

I don't really buy you weren't noticing the stuff you wrote, this sorta panicky response looks like scum kicking himself for being suspected.

Unvote, vote sthar.

This is the first thing I see I don't like. Why would you even attack someone over that? That looks like scum attacking a weak reason.

Town has less inclination bothh kick themselves for not looking pro town enough and make an active effort to not draw suspicion.

I try harder to look town when i'm town. I seem to fail more/just as much.

And, like I say his recent attack on me looks like scum picking an easy target.

I see him as more liekly scum than TDC, so

Unvote Vote RR

So, there's the scum. GG.

Xtoxm · Post Post #922 (isolation #35) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:13 am

And before you ask, no I didn't read everything. It's 37 bloody pages. Screw that.

Xtoxm · Post Post #924 (isolation #36) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:03 am

I expected you to call my vote omgus. Standard scum accusation.

Xtoxm · Post Post #928 (isolation #37) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:11 am

If you were town you'd know the PM's are worded by no means in a clear cut fashion. I PMed the mod but he wouldn't expand.

Xtoxm · Post Post #929 (isolation #38) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:13 am

I have two qualities - Charisma and Leadership. I believe this make sme a PR. I have not been told what it means. Presumably the Charisma gave me the extra vote, another boost would probably give me whatever Leadership does.

Xtoxm · Post Post #933 (isolation #39) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:20 am

I really don't know. It literally was just that, except not that exact word.

I guess it's something to do with leading the town, or something. Being able to give some kind of order maybe? Perhaps a govenor ability or something, is my best guess.

Xtoxm · Post Post #936 (isolation #40) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:33 am

I can see how he may have thought Charisma and Leadership both gave the double vote, but I doubt that. I the the fact I have 2 seperate qualities means I have 2 seperate powers.

Although I'm not really sure I understand what you're asking of me there.

My guess is it'll go one fore each, not 2 for each power.

How many qualities were you given, Incog? Just 1, or 2?

Xtoxm · Post Post #938 (isolation #41) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:39 am

On re-examination of my PM, I am told specifically the extra vote is related to enchancement of my Charisma aspect.

Xtoxm · Post Post #939 (isolation #42) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:40 am

Incognito wrote:What I'm trying to say is you seem to be making it seem like you could tell from your role PM that you had two separate abilities: 1) charisma and 2) leadership. Since Electra said that boosts can only work a maximum of two times on a player, I'd think the wording of sthar8's role PM would have helped him confirm what Electra was saying in part 2, and he wouldn't call her into question about how she might have been able to catch him in a lie.

As for my role PM, I have no qualities. Just a gun and a single bullet lol.

It is quite clear that I have 2 qualities. My guess is he just thought they related to the same power (extra vote).

Xtoxm · Post Post #942 (isolation #43) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:43 am

Incognito wrote:Or wait, are you talking about your boost PM?

Yes.

Xtoxm · Post Post #944 (isolation #44) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:46 am

Incognito wrote:And the _______ is related to enhancement of your leadership aspect? I'm not sure how close we are to getting modkilled. :s

Well, i've heavily paraphrased.

Xtoxm · Post Post #945 (isolation #45) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:46 am

Raging Rabbit wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:On re-examination of my PM, I am told specifically the extra vote is related to enchancement of my Charisma aspect.
sthar also specifically claimed to have not been told what boosting him does, but rather that he "narrowed it down". Your claim has more holes than swiss cheese.

Not until he actually got boosted. (At night 1)

Xtoxm · Post Post #948 (isolation #46) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:53 am

Incognito wrote:I'm going to reread the rest of the thread over the coming days and write up some sort of (hopefully) brief PBPA of the players outside of Xtoxm. Xtoxm's/sthar8's claim is weird, but I'm getting a town vibe from Xtoxm over these last few pages that doesn't make me very comfortable with thinking he's scum.

<3

Xtoxm · Post Post #952 (isolation #47) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:02 am

You would.

Xtoxm · Post Post #956 (isolation #48) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:52 pm

What would happen if someone reached 5 to lynched before someone got 5 to boost?

Xtoxm · Post Post #958 (isolation #49) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:30 pm

Ooh yay, does that mean my score is about to shoot up where I replace in?

Xtoxm · Post Post #960 (isolation #50) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:34 pm

Wonder if I can beat my old score...About 70, wasn't it...

Xtoxm · Post Post #962 (isolation #51) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:07 am

Kk thnx.

Xtoxm · Post Post #965 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:03 am

I agree, for what it's worth.
But it is worth mentioning that I think it is more likely that - in and of itself - a booster is more likely to be a scum than a double-voter.

What's this supposed to mean?

Xtoxm · Post Post #968 (isolation #53) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:55 pm

Volk doesn't get anymore information. El said that..Using it on him is just a blank.

Xtoxm · Post Post #970 (isolation #54) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:13 pm

Well I just looked and I can't find where El said it, but remember someone saying it, and this has been imprinted in my mind for a while. I'm quite certain it's coroborated knowledge.

Xtoxm · Post Post #971 (isolation #55) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:16 pm

I may have misinterpreted something. I'd like Volkan to to say, please...Whether you can be boosted again.

If he can then I can go with that.

Xtoxm · Post Post #974 (isolation #56) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:24 pm

Yeh upon re-looking I think a read a comment of RR wrong.

Unboost Boost Volkan

Incog, vig targets should not be decided by town, just gives scum extra info, vig should just kill who they thinks scum.

Xtoxm · Post Post #976 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:38 pm

I can hammer him if you like but i'd rather hang onto my extra vote.

Xtoxm · Post Post #978 (isolation #58) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:49 pm

Ok. I mean it more in the general sense, too. Ice's lynch isn't going to require my vote a such, and it's more useful saved for the potential situation where it could be.

Xtoxm · Post Post #980 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:54 pm

I'm usually tempted at the thought of speedhammering, but the fact I permanently lose the vote far outwieghs it.

Xtoxm · Post Post #982 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:24 pm

Pretty impressive score there Incog.

Xtoxm · Post Post #989 (isolation #61) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:48 am

Ah right ok.

I hadn't realised Hunt claimed.

Xtoxm · Post Post #993 (isolation #62) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:19 pm

Hi scum.

Xtoxm · Post Post #995 (isolation #63) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:25 pm

I skimmed the scums post. Just more stuff about my claim, that i've already put to rest.

Xtoxm · Post Post #997 (isolation #64) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:45 pm

basically vanilla that gets double vote if boosted =/= vanilla

Xtoxm · Post Post #998 (isolation #65) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:47 pm

2. Xtoxm clearly claimed something different. Why would sthar lie is he's town?

Like I said, anyone with a town PM knows the PM does not tell you what you are. I understand this is hard for you to comprehend, seeing as you are not town.

Xtoxm · Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:59 pm

The sample PM very clearly reads "townie".

No it doesn't. Though it is easy to gather that your a VT. That is not my PM.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1003 (isolation #67) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:04 pm

Whatever.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1005 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:20 pm

Unvote Vote Ice

Xtoxm · Post Post #1011 (isolation #69) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:01 am

Unvote Vote RR

May as well let him use it, or "use it", no? Plus, RR is scum anyway.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1013 (isolation #70) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:04 am

The middle question intrigues me.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1015 (isolation #71) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:06 am

I haven't seen it. I think the fact he thought town were told what role they got is massive enough slip in itself, but go ahead and show me, i'll be happy to take a look. Where shall I look?

Xtoxm · Post Post #1017 (isolation #72) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:29 am

What came to mind, was that RR might have thought Hunt would be lynched regardless, and having his vote end on scum when town gets lynched makes him look good, or Jahudo look good if he dies first. I'll take a look at the context, though...

But Incog, who exactly do you think are scum if TDC and RR are town?

Xtoxm · Post Post #1020 (isolation #73) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:45 am

Incognito wrote:I still think icemanE is scum. As for the other one, I'm still trying to figure that one out. It may surprise you that I've kinda sorta been doing a 180 on Huntress lately.

It doesn't surprise me. Though i'm not sure I was aware you were sus of her in the first place.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1022 (isolation #74) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:51 am

I think Ice's play fits with lazy town...I'm satisfied with those answers. What do you think, Incog?

Xtoxm · Post Post #1024 (isolation #75) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:59 am

I've forgotten about parts of my roles before, i'm sure I forgot about an ability once too...I'll look through my inbox see if it rings any bells.

For the investigation, I think there are much better targets than Huntress, though.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1025 (isolation #76) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:11 am

Mr. Grey wrote:
Role Name:
Michael Jackson

Alignment:
Innocent

Flavor Text:
No one's gonna save you from the beast about to strike...

Abilities:
You have no night abilities.

Secret Word:
Your secret word is:
said
.

Win Condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one innocent is alive.

Please confirm receipt of your role by posting in the thread.

I completely forgot I had a secret word, and I forgot I had flavour text until I checked it again.

There's also an ongoing game where I completely forgot about a couple of major things in my role.

I think there was another, but my older mails appear to be deleting themselves...

Xtoxm · Post Post #1028 (isolation #77) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:16 am

Well, El claimed game info, Ice claimed investigation. Very diff.

Though I think Eld may have a point...

Xtoxm · Post Post #1030 (isolation #78) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:21 am

Eh, i've done that before too.

Tbh, i'm inclined to believe Ice on this...

Xtoxm · Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:20 am

You're really trying to accuse someone with an extra vote of being scum? You think the mod put a scum role into the game that makes the game reach lylo a full day-night cycle earlier, if boosted? Seriously.

Xtoxm · Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:23 am

Ice continues to convince me he's town.

Xtoxm · Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:26 am

Incog, I really think it's worth letting Ice live the night. If he's town and we lynch him anyway, atleast that way we might have a result, and there's a dead GF so we KNOW there's an investigation somewhere.

If anyone want's to CC Ice for the investigate role, do so now please.

Xtoxm · Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:38 am

Can't you just crawl off and die or something...

Xtoxm · Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:46 am

Did Hunt boost anyone last night? I think she should boost Ice tonight. This can confirm she has that power (unless Ice gets killed, but i'll take that for keeping the vig alive).

Ice - I think your invest is better spent on either TDC or GC. And for today lynch RR. He's either scum or a VT tunelling on 2 town PR's, as he has made clear by his complete lack of knowledge of the town PR role PMs...

Xtoxm · Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:49 am

Also, i'm starting to think I probably am just a double voter, and Leadership is just another description for that.

Xtoxm · Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:53 am

So, if there are 2 scum in {RR, TDC, GC, Hunt, Eld} and we have 2 mislynches...And a vig from Incog...This is starting to look pretty good...

Xtoxm · Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:01 am

I've been known to do that. And as town, too.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1055 (isolation #87) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:47 pm

Think Ice is still at L-1...

No one hammer please

, and I would like it if someone could unvote while we talk about this. I think this could be the defining point whether town wins or not.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1056 (isolation #88) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:38 pm

But no, if you'll somehow flip town I'll still think xtoxm's scum.

Oh look, RR know Ice would flip town.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1065 (isolation #89) » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:50 am

Ice what the fuck is wrong with you?? Self sacrifice is not ok as cop

Xtoxm · Post Post #1066 (isolation #90) » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:02 am

Well Incog, if we lynch Ice as cop, and you die tonight, they'll lynch me, and town will lose. (Probable scenario at this point)

Xtoxm · Post Post #1067 (isolation #91) » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:04 am

Ice, please unvote and get your self replaced, you clearly don't want to be here and have no intention of playing

Xtoxm · Post Post #1069 (isolation #92) » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:17 am

If you don't get yourself replaced, then please play properly. There's always enough time for replacements, people flake all the time.

I understand you could be a liability, but if you're cop, the scum will need to kill you anyway, and with a dead GF, you will likely become confirmed, and there is almost certainly nothing to make you produce incorrect results, I would imagine. ATLEAST can you try and stay till tomorrow and produce a result.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1070 (isolation #93) » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:17 am

Plus, you have me on your side, and I have 2 votes, and the scum never kill me.

Xtoxm · Post Post #1071 (isolation #94) » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:20 am

Anyway, someone still needs to counter my logic. With a dead GF, we know there's a cop-style role somewhere. No one challenges Ice for this role. So Ice is the cop, no matter how scummy you think he is. Yes?

Xtoxm · Post Post #1074 (isolation #95) » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:54 am

Here is one of Patrick's GF's from another game (PYP3):

You have Godfather abilities. Any cop investigations on you will show up innocent, and you are immune to nightkills. Each night, you may, if you wish, choose to be "immune" to a weak doctor or a hider, meaning that if that roles targets you that night, they will not die. You may be immune to both on the same night if you wish. Finally, any advanced masoniser that attempts to recruit you and fails will not be able to try again.

I will look through his other modded games see if I find any others...

Xtoxm · Post Post #1076 (isolation #96) » Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:10 am

Most of what I saw, his GF's are just "GF abilities" basically both cop and kill immune. One of his was just cop immune, but the scum were the only killers there.

So I would suspect this GF would be both cop and kill immune, if both were present.

Eh, still think Ice is town, that was just to try and convince others.

What can be drawn, I think, is that there is atleast a cop or a kill other than the scum. not very useful given the circumstances, though...

Xtoxm · Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:50 am

Didn't contradict anything, stupid bunny...

Xtoxm · Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:35 pm

The annoying thing is, i've got this feeling in the back of my mind that tells me you're a townie tunneling on us. But, bunny has to die.

Xtoxm · Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:40 pm

Because he's a bunny wabbit...

Xtoxm · Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:15 am

You're such a tard...My PM says nothing about a boost either, and I also asked the mod, and got a pretty much exact same reply. You probably get another investigation on boost.

Xtoxm · Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:54 am

Your PM, however, supposedly implies that the characteristics get turned into an ability by way of boost.

Putting words in my mouth?

NO IT DOESN'T

Xtoxm · Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:56 am

(Or are you now claiming that the fact that boosting you gives you abilities related to your characteristics is NOT somewhat obvious from your role PM, which would contradict sthar's play yet another time?)

Oh get fucked.

It's called BOOST MAFIA FFS. The inductive step that people can be boosted isn't hard jump to make.

Xtoxm · Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:08 pm

Yeh, see sample PM.

Xtoxm · Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:43 am

Town's gonna lose

Xtoxm · Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:47 am

Clearly, no matter what happens, me and Ice are being lynched, and you being NKed tonight, and you're the only thing preventing a me-lynch.

Xtoxm · Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:47 am

I still think Hunt is town, but I guess i'll have to vote her.

Xtoxm · Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:48 am

I doubt it..

Xtoxm · Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:21 am

Unvote Vote Hunt

Xtoxm · Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:30 am

Crazy looked town, and I think you were then scum's mislynch yesterday.

Xtoxm · Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:20 pm

Huntress wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:Crazy looked town, and I think you were then scum's mislynch yesterday.
I meant, "Why do you think you have to vote me?"

Self defence.

Xtoxm · Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:58 pm

It doesn't. I vote Hunt cos Incog asks.

Xtoxm · Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:07 pm

Xtox: So, is your double vote something you need to activate? Does it last beyond today if you don't use it? Also, do you think your suspicion on RR may just be a defensive knee-jerk reaction?

Yes - I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town, but if he is town his tunnel vision si to the extent that he's going to lose town the game, I think...I am not scum, and Ice seems pretty damn town.

Xtoxm · Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:47 am

Green Crayons wrote:Then maybe instead of trying to get someone you think is a bad town player lynched, don't you think you should try to move on to those targets who actually may be scumbags?

Well I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum either, but admittedly I am starting to lean more on TDC-Eld.

Xtoxm · Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:19 am

Mod: What time on the 2nd is deadline?

Xtoxm · Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:23 am

I can give this a try.

Unvote Vote Eld

Patrick lives in England so deadline will prob be suitable for me to be on.

Xtoxm · Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:06 am

6 am? What's wrong with you??

Xtoxm · Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:38 am

Bunny: Assuming Ice isn't going to be lynch, would you vote Eld? (Ice pretty much isn't being lynched today, so he can atleast produce a result)

Xtoxm · Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:01 am

Haha how surprising.

Xtoxm · Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:06 pm

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:10 am

This is stupid.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:51 pm

Nice one fucktards. Go ahead, lynch me, I don't care. I guess I must be scum, because there's no way I could have known they were town otherwise.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:57 pm

Why did you feel the need to ingore me, Incog?

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:59 pm

Going ahead with the Ice-Lynch, Hunt-Vig.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:02 pm

Anyway, suspicions of GC reincurred. She supports the giving Ice a night to investigates, but when people start pushing Ice lynch depsite this, she changes.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:10 pm

Incog, I think we can confirm me town today. As long as people accept that you can't be scum, you can put someone in range of my hammer.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:17 pm

Apart from the fact that I fail to see how anyone can call this a scum ability, if I don't hammer a townie in lylo, then i'm not scum.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:18 pm

And if people accept that you're town, then you can't be my theoretical scumbuddy.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:25 pm

Boost Incog

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:30 pm

Call my play bad if you want, but you're the one who just lynched Ice, throwing away a confirmed town win. Though, spinning the axis, I guess it's good play if you're scum.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:40 pm

I suppost MC today, btw.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:40 pm

Support*

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:46 pm

Raging Rabbit wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:Apart from the fact that I fail to see how anyone can call this a scum ability, if I don't hammer a townie in lylo, then i'm not scum.
Pure BS. If you're scum, using your double vote today could only force a no lynch, at which point you get one NK and we'll know you're scum tomorrow. I need to rethink things before I vote you, Iceman turning town was quite a shocker, but I'm likely to do so.

Getting a bit paranoid about Incog, his choices make sense both as vig and as scum who pulled off an awesome fakeclaim. The way things look, though, I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt - not willing to stake the game on an Incog lynch, and if he's town boosting him is the obvious choice since it can be the difference between lylo and just lo if we mislynch today.

I'm leaning town on TDC and GC, so prior to my reread I support either a xtoxm or an eldarad lynch.

Boost Incog, boost TDC
.

You refuse to take those goggles off even when you're proven wrong?

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:52 pm

Raging Rabbit wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:Apart from the fact that I fail to see how anyone can call this a scum ability, if I don't hammer a townie in lylo, then i'm not scum.
Pure BS. If you're scum, using your double vote today could only force a no lynch, at which point you get one NK and we'll know you're scum tomorrow. I need to rethink things before I vote you, Iceman turning town was quite a shocker, but I'm likely to do so.

Getting a bit paranoid about Incog, his choices make sense both as vig and as scum who pulled off an awesome fakeclaim. The way things look, though, I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt - not willing to stake the game on an Incog lynch, and if he's town boosting him is the obvious choice since it can be the difference between lylo and just lo if we mislynch today.

I'm leaning town on TDC and GC, so prior to my reread I support either a xtoxm or an eldarad lynch.

Boost Incog, boost TDC
.

And no, alone "me and my buddy" have 3 votes, we can't force an NL, or lynch, but Incog knows i'm town, and with his help, "me and my buddy" have 4 votes.

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:06 pm

I in no way contradicted by predecessors claim, so stfu about it and atleast get some proper reasoning before you lose town this game.

Xtoxm · Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:45 am

I'm nigh on certain TDC is scum.

I pondered, momemtarily, Incog being scum, but scum having that vig is way too overpowered. He

has

vigged two PR's, and gotten another lynched, so I think scum just want him around more than Volkan. They were both as unlikely a lynch as each other (~0).

Xtoxm · Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:55 am

Perhaps they thought the information would be more damaging. Perhaps they wanted people to become sus of Incog...Who knows. I don't think that's the important bit. I just can't see Patrick giving scum a vigilante, who even starts off with an extra kill of his own, so he can prove it, in a normal 12 player Mini. The vig, when he proves himself, is pretty much certain to become trusted, and boosted, and I can't see that from a setup balance standpoint.

Xtoxm · Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:14 am

Plus, if Incog was scum, he doesn't have to call me town. He could have pretended he wasn't getting this read on me. He's pretty much the only thing preventing my mislynch...Actually, that's probably it. The scum want town to think I have killed Incog, cos he's the only one calling me town. Surprised I didn't think of that earlier, actually.

Xtoxm · Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:24 pm

<3 Incog

Wanna sexorcise?

Xtoxm · Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:14 am

See Incog? I said yesterday...It doesn't matter his alignment...He has to die.

Vote RR

Xtoxm · Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:23 pm

Why would town ever go against their confirmed town vig?

Xtoxm · Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:58 pm

I've been meaning to work that out sometime, actually. I think it's something like 90% of my town games. I'll take a look through tonight.

Xtoxm · Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:23 pm

The numbers i've come up with are rather confusing.

From my counting, lynched 20 times, vigged 7 times, of 44 town games. So 45% lynch rate, or combined 63%.

I've been a confirmable power-role a few times, but not enough to compliment 63%, so the numbers don't agree with my memory.

Xtoxm · Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:49 pm

Because if you are town, you will lose town the game anyway, by lynching me tomorrow, if we get there.

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:07 am

I'm thinking on a TDC-GC pair now...

And it has occured to me, that possibly the reason Incog wasn't killed, is scum have an RB, which still has an unused one-shot ability. And infact I can see this as quite likely given how many one shots town started with. So they can keep Incog alive, and control his kill. He'd made it obvious he was gonna vig Hunt-town so no need ot block him.

Unvote Vote GC

RR needs to be vigged.

Eld, if you think i'm town, boost me.

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:47 am

Why hasn't MC happend?

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:01 am

Xtoxm contradicting sthar should be obvious to anyone who takes the time to read, and he starts the bs line of "how could you possibly ignore electra's claim??" questions. So definitely scummy.

I've read this BS a hundred fucking times already. You are boring. Shut up.

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:03 am

TDC: This is my most recent game as scum. I'll see if I can find another.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:05 am

Me as SK:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:10 am

I thought so!

But seriously:

Mini 639
Mafia 83

They're my most recent proper games as scum. I haven't been scum in a long time.

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:28 am

Oh, and I don't need to change my meta because i've never been scum in a game with someone who's half decent at reading me (cept the first time...). Chaz meta'd me at one point, and he got me pretty much figured in both our games (he was town in both, I was scum in one, town in the other), but he's disappeared from the site...Shame.

Most people just always call me scum.

And ftr, yeh my scum play is pretty much what is one is that one time with Incog, just a bit more well rounded.

There's one game, where I considered myself to have played well as scum. I can show you if you like. The rest, I thought I was pretty obvious scum...

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:50 am

Yeh, that's why I put "cept the first time" in brackets. That was my first game as scum. I haven't been scum in a game with Incog since.

I'll get you the link.

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:52 am

NG 651

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:03 am

Xtoxm wrote:Yeh, that's why I put "cept the first time" in brackets. That was my first game as scum. I haven't been scum in a game with Incog since.

I'll get you the link.

Oh wait, yeh I have. PYP3. D'oh. I don't know what I was thinking about PYP3...

Xtoxm · Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:29 am

Scary.

I don't think she knows much about my play, tbh. I just had that in my mind that game cos i'd played with her a few times and she was experienced at mafia in general, and i'd never had a good game as scum.

She always seems to be scum when I play with her. She was town in that one, and Weather Mafia (one of my first games on site). Oh..And that stupid game...I was town ad replaced back into a scum role...But then I flaked cos of my exams...She was vig, but didn't seem to be giving the game any attention.

As of right now, the main players that would make me uncomfortable as scum would be: You, Bionic, Chaz (if he came back) Patrick (despite his recent fail)...And possibly Ether, barely played with her but she appears to have shown competancy at reading me.

Xtoxm · Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:30 am

Meta is based on feel.

You are retarded.

Xtoxm · Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:36 am

I couldn't care less.

Xtoxm · Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:24 am

I think GC is confirmed scum, seeing as no one else knows their role name.

Boost me, then lynch plox.

Xtoxm · Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:16 am

Also interesting, is how TDC was hoping to get boosted on previous days, then claims vanilla. GC is basically certain to be mafia though, so the better lynch. I should definately be boosted.

Boost Xtoxm

If I can't self boost then scum can make it impossible to boost anyone, really...

Xtoxm · Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:30 am

There was definately a wagon for his boost, and he did nothing to suggest anyone else would have been a better lynch.

If I can boost myself, then it's impossible to boost toen without a scum vote on the wagon. I think that's a bit stupid.

Mod is it possible to boost no one?

Xtoxm · Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:30 am

can't*

Xtoxm · Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:11 am

I'd rather be boosted myself, but I guess I can settle for that.

Xtoxm · Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:00 pm

Oh, and we need to lynch one of the people who boosted Incog Today. This is non-negotiable. Anyone who opposes this plan of action needs to speak up now.

We ynch GC.

We boost either GC or me.

I don't see why we're still waiting.

If you trust Incog the obvious boost is me.

Xtoxm · Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:58 am

Try to get over your own crap joke, dickhead.

Xtoxm · Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:53 am

Response.

Xtoxm · Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:06 am

What are we still waiting for? I thought we had decided on a GC lynch.

Incog, i'd rather have TDC vigged than Eld.

Xtoxm · Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:11 pm

Er, no.

We're lynching GC. More votes, thnx.

Xtoxm · Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:28 am

I don't know how far you think you going to get without the confirmed townie's support.

Xtoxm · Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:30 am

Seriosuly, Incog isn't gonna lynch me. So if I was scum, my "scumbuddy" just has not vote me, then we win at night.

Xtoxm · Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:09 pm

Boost GC

Xtoxm · Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:31 pm

It's pretty bad.

Xtoxm · Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:38 am

Yes, but i'll keep an open mind.

Xtoxm · Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:07 am

Ok, I can live with you vigging him.

Xtoxm · Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:40 am

That's completely stupid, Incog. There's no point in hammering me. You know i'm town, AND have 2 votes. Keeping me around is worth more than preventing NL.

Xtoxm · Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:31 am

Perhaps GC started with an RB and they're putting everything on winning today, or something.

Xtoxm · Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:17 pm

Become insistant on his lynch.

Xtoxm · Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:53 am

Incog, i'm quite certain GC is scum. There have been 2 townies (me and you) pushing him for ages, and yet, people still contradict their confirmed townie. That doesn't happen on townie wagons.

Xtoxm · Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:55 am

I wasn't talking to you.

Xtoxm · Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:04 pm

No that fails, scum buddy would just not bus me and take the confirmed win.

Xtoxm · Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:12 am

If I have to use my second vote you gotta vig right Incog cos they'll just lynch me tomorrow.

If GC is town we already lost, but I doubt it.

Xtoxm · Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:15 am

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 51#1496151

Xtoxm · Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:37 pm

RR, you can't just blame the people you mislynch for mislynching them. You failed at scum hunting.

At least you realised on the last day, though, and made the right choice...

Town played horribly D2 and D3, it was really frustrating.

Xtoxm · Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:36 am

I didn't play badly. Ice didn't play badly either. The forgetting he joined was an obvious slip up, though, which he could have done without.

I did not contradict my predecessor at all, it was you who played badly there.

Xtoxm · Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:59 am

Yeh, that doesn't have anything to do with actual play, though. It's a mistake, yes, but it's not bad play.

Xtoxm · Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 am