Mini 746: Speed Dating - I've Had The Time Of My Life (Over)

[roffman]

sorry, was away for the weekend, going to read the thread now

[roffman]

This is hurting my head...

[roffman]

Need help understanding something?

Pretty much everything that has, or to be more accurate, hasn't happened this game. I can understand the first few pages being about trying to understand new mechanics, but for the scum hunting on page 5 being voting people who haven't actually posted just screams laziness. BTW, I'm aware of the hippocrasy of this post and it's lack of scum hunting

[roffman]

Your basing your assumption of KMD on a post Zwet made in twilight. I don't know about you, but my twilight posts are always pro-town, in case of mayor's, reviver's, or mistakes. There is also the fact that lynching someone in this case is a justifiable hammer, though not neccesarily a smart one. Granted, my suspicions of zwet have gone down, but my suspicions of KMD have not really changed.

[roffman]

There is no solid case against anyone, and there rarely is ever on a day 1. The case against you is incidental, and based on your posting mistake, reinforced with other scummy behavior. Normally that would be enough to get you lynched day 1, but with a claimed doc as your partner, we're holding off atm.

[roffman]

I'd also like to know this, allows us in the future to isolate 2 scummy people and kill them at once.

[roffman]

The last few posts confuse me. Are people debating the viability of the doc claim, or am I missing something?

I've been thinking about it, and realised a rather startling fact. In this game, I don't think the mafia actually have a night kill. If they did, 1 mislynch followed by a NK would leave 8/9 people in the game, 2 or 3 of which could be mafia. Which, seeing as we lynch 2 by 2, is lylo. This makes me doubt the presence of a doc role in this setup, as the potential killing power of the mafia far exceed normal balance measures. Added to this zwet's actions, and I feel I have a compelling reason to vote off the entire table.

unvote, vote: zwetschenwasser

N.B. My numbers and percieved effictiveness of the mafia's supposed NK may be off. If you see any number fallacies that I may have made, please point them out so I may correct my assumptions.

[roffman]

Even if there is a reviver or multiple protective roles, it still leaves an extremely high chance for town to be in lylo day 2. Also, if there was multiple docs, counter claims would already have occured.

[roffman]

counter claims would already have occured.

Why so sure?

Because with multiple protection roles, unless there things like bodyguard or roleblocker, anything except docs do not significantly increase the chance of a specific person living through night 1. There is also the fact that the doc claim was the only thing that derailed the zwet wagon to some degree, and if all it required was a counter claim to get 2 scummy people lynched at the same time, I'm sure most docs would happily out themselves for it.

[roffman]

Just to let you know, I personally do know a cop and a stripper with PH:D's, but I hang with crazy uni students, so I don't think that's valid

[roffman]

Ok, it looks like this a pure scum hunting game.

vote KMD

second on my list from yesterday.

[roffman]

Reasons for voting KMD:

He hammered Zwet early on in day 1. I found this action scummy in general, but even more so in a game where a single vote can kill 2 people.

Ok. I have reason to believe EGL probably is NOT a doc. I'm not claiming doc here, but based on my role, I don't think he is the doc. I'm not going to say more than that though.

This post just annoys me. He is trying to get a potential scum lynched, however, he won't post any actual reasons for it. He has admitted his role is just for flavor, yet he denied to tell us this yesterday when the knowledge might have actually stopped us lynching a potential doc.

Exactly? You are saying that town loses by leaving with scum. I do NOT see that in my Role PM at all.

This was a big one. Unless you have a different win condition to nearly everyone else, your PM should be pretty explicit to what happens if you leave with scum. I also know the mod said that analysing win conditions is pointless, but I still find it interesting.

[roffman]

@Kmd: Dropping a hammer is not in and of itself, always a scum tell. Dropping the hammer early, in game where there is still extreme doubt about the mechanics, and you knowingly kill 2 people at once, is.

[roffman]

the final hammer against zwet was well reasoned. KMD's hammer at the time was not.