What do you think about amorpher's claim? And the counter claim?
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What? Why do you post something this pointless? I asked you a question. Stop acting anti-town and do something. Reply to my question as soon as possible. I am still feeling confident having my vote on you right now.Natirasha wrote:K, so...um...yeah.
I have never played with you, but I've heard and read a bit so I am going to repeat my question so you will have to respond to it.
"What do you think about amorpher's claim? And the counter claim?" -sirdanilot
Answer.
Do you really think that's a valid reason?animorpherv1 wrote:Becuase they did, actually, I thought we would be starting a mass claim thing. oops.fos animorpherThat was pretty anti-town, you know.
malthusis wrote:I didn't mention DH because he wasn't even nessecarily sure he was a miller in he first place.
With 'also a miller' he probably meant that he was surprised that Natirasha is also a miller, as well as he is. At least, that's how I read it, if DH wants to clarify that, please be my guest DH.Urgh, I'm the teachers pet...also a miller?-
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I know now, it was a plain mistake. It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.
unvote vote, sirdanilotI'm sure your either a lyncher or scum.
I'm going to stay reasonable and calm here, and explain to you why this reasoning is very bad.
"I know now, it was a plain mistake." - Try to move yourself into my perspective. How can I be so sure that it was a plain mistake? You are playing the newbie card here, amorpher. I don't buy the newbie card, ever. A 'mistake' or 'inexperiencedness' is no excuse to do anti town or scummy things.
"It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched." - Firstly, I did not vote you yet with that post. Secondly, lynches aren't the same as votes. Don't mix them up like that. Thirdly, what if I was voting you? I couldn't be sure at all that you'd be town. What do you expect me to do when I see something scummy or anti town. I point it out, and it looks to me like I did well. It looks to me like you're deliberately trying to make it look like you work from the assumption that you are town and find anyone voting you scummy simply because you are know that you are town yourself. What tells me that you're not scum trying to fake that effect? This is a huge scum tell, you know.
unvote, vote animorpherv1
I will summarize my reasoning.
1. Claiming without reasoning.
2. Saying that the claim was a plain mistake, implying we should get over it.
3. "It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.", while I wasn't voting for him at the time. In fact, that statement in itself is scummy enough, anyone is able to see that.
Could you define 'skeptical', and take into account the case that I have in this very post against him? Could you elaborate on how you agree and disagree on my points?Natirasha wrote:I am skeptical of ani's claim, but I find it possible for there to be other millers.
If you find it possible for there to be other millers, what do you think about DH voting you for claiming miller? He is clearly not sharing your view.-
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Could you elaborate on your reasoning to FoS me, since you just FoSed without any reasoning whatsoever.VisMaior wrote:
Say what?Do you really think that's a valid reason? fos animorpher That was pretty anti-town, you know.FOS sirandalot
What are you trying to say with this?Dattebayo wrote: I actually went through the same thought process, but I caught myself before I claimed.-
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Refer to this, electra.Electra wrote:I think animorph is just new... I don't see any reason for scum to claim/fake claim so early.
@ Mana_Ku - what game? what approach? xD
The newbie card is never, ever, ever an excuse. Do you know why, electra? Because it can be faked. It cannot be controlled. It's an out of game influence. I expect anyone, even newbies, to be able to play the game, since this is not a newbie game, this is a mini theme game. You are just helping him to hide behind his newbishness.sirdanilot wrote: "I know now, it was a plain mistake." - Try to move yourself into my perspective. How can I be so sure that it was a plain mistake? You are playing the newbie card here, amorpher. I don't buy the newbie card, ever. A 'mistake' or 'inexperiencedness' is no excuse to do anti town or scummy things.-
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Why would a towny give out information like that if there is no reason to? It doesn't fit with animorpherv1-town. It does fit ani-scum, though. He wants to abuse his 'newbie' imago and claims, then says that he just followed the rest and that we should get over his mistake. A very smart scum gambit. I am not buying it at all.Xtoxm wrote:How, exactly, is claiming scummy?
Also, please explain your vote.
I don't care. I do not treat newbies differently than experienced players. You are expected not to be a newbie outside of newbie games. Since you are continuing trying to use the newbie card, I think I am going to keep my vote on you for now, since I think we're onto something here.animorpherv1 wrote:Actually, you could call me new to MS Mafia. I'm just getting used to the pace of certain games.
I'm also going to say this to you as a kind of IC: If you are not used to certain games yet after your first newbie game, the best (and only) way to learn is to play in real games. However, you should try to make them forget that you are a newbie. The best way to learn is not to get treated differently for being a newbie, but to get treated the same as the more experienced players. And that is what I do. I never ever buy the newbie card. I will treat you exactly the same as anyone else.
You say that it was a plain mistake. I do not believe you, because your play is scummy. That is why I am not getting over it. Also, could you defend yourself against my summarized case on you?#2 was correct. Itwasa plain mistake and youshouldget over it
sirdanilot's case on animorpherv1 wrote: 1. Claiming without reasoning.
2. Saying that the claim was a plain mistake, implying we should get over it.
3. "It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.", while I wasn't voting for him at the time. In fact, that statement in itself is scummy enough, anyone is able to see that.
4. Playing the newbie card.
First you say it's towny, then you say it's a scum gambit you'd employ? Also, please elaborate on why you think that a claim, right after two people claiming miller, is a pro-town tell. How does it help the town. Also reply to the image of a hypothetical ani-scum claiming, compare it with the hypothetical ani-town. Which do you find more likely?natirasha wrote:Oh, I thought ani was the other miller. Well, then. Yeah, I think his claim is true, if not enitirely town. It sounds like a scum gambit I employ.-
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"Yeah, I think his claim is true, if not enitirely town." -natirashaNatirasha wrote:
I never said that his claiming was a pro-town tell. Where did I ever say that?sirdanilot wrote:
First you say it's towny, then you say it's a scum gambit you'd employ? Also, please elaborate on why you think that a claim, right after two people claiming miller, is a pro-town tell. How does it help the town. Also reply to the image of a hypothetical ani-scum claiming, compare it with the hypothetical ani-town. Which do you find more likely?natirasha wrote:Oh, I thought ani was the other miller. Well, then. Yeah, I think his claim is true, if not enitirely town. It sounds like a scum gambit I employ.
Or did I misread that?
Well, you don't really have any other choice than to say that, since it happened, so we don't really need to discuss this anymore, since this is a fact. It happened and I find it a scum tell, and that's all there is to it realy.animorpherv1 wrote:1. Claiming without reasoning.My mistake
Hold on. I find you scummy, not only because you claimed (otherwise I would have voted you immediately after your claim) but the way you reacted to me FoSing you over it. Point 2 and mainly 3, the way you dealt with the FoS, is my main case on you. With that comes the claim in itself and also point 4.2. Saying that the claim was a plain mistake, implying we should get over it.once again, my mistake. This is why I think your scum. Your saying only one thing, and that I'm automatically scum because I claimed.
Could you elaborate? What do you mean with 'decent'?3. "It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.", while I wasn't voting for him at the time. In fact, that statement in itself is scummy enough, anyone is able to see that.Does that change the fact that you look even scummier to me because you can't find anything decent?
Sure, that is the way you are supposed to be playing. All I am saying is that you should never ever say 'hey, I'm just a newbie, take it easy!'. The best way to learn is by dealing with these accusations, just like you're doing now. I never go easier (or tougher for that matter) on newbies.4. Playing the newbie card.I've never played R Mafia, and that may be my downfall. I'm doing what I think I need to do, I'm checking on all my games, and when I feel like someone is scummy, I vote for them, and explain why.
That said, I haven't heard a truly compelling defense against my case on you yet, meaning that I am going to keep my vote on you for a while.
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I agree Natirasha should elaborate on that.Electra wrote:If you think he's scum, Natirasha, then why are you not voting him?
Also, sird, your case boils down to him playing the newbie card and trying to get away with it as scum. I feel like if he is a newbie and did make a mistake, he would have the same actions. I don't see any difference, so I don't view it as a scum tell.
Why would a newbie be allowed to get away with the mistake. What if he wasn't a newbie? I don't let the factor of him being a newbie enter my reasoning to vote him, certainly not in the beginning of the game.
So, let me ask you a question. Would you let animorpher get away with that if he were an experienced player?
I completely disagree. The fact that you almost made that mistake should not enter your reasoning, since it is irrelevant. A newbie could have made that mistake, yes, and animorpher may be a newbie, but most of all, he is a player in this game. I would never ever let an experience player get away with this, so I am not letting animorpher get away with this.Dattebayo wrote:I'm not reading Animorph as scum but I am reading SirD as scum.
My read on Ani:
First of all, I almost made the same mistake as ani when I saw that there were multiple claims. This makes me believe this was an honest mistake. Also, if were newb-scum I would expect him to make up some bull shit response. Instead he kept a pretty straight story.
1. Huh, what 'timeframe' did I attach to my post? You mean that I said that I am going to keep my vote on him for a while? That is true. With that I mean that I see no reason to put my vote off him. See it as me confirming my vote on him.My read on Sir D:
Ah yes, that's indeed a reasoning, but guess what: it's a bad one. There's no way that I am going to say: 'aww you made a mistake, okay then, I can understand that, unfos.' He's just trying to get away with it playing the newbie card.1. Claiming without reasoning.Actually there was reasoning:
This accusation is just wrong.animorpherv1 wrote:
Becuase they did, actually, I thought we would be starting a mass claim thing. oops.Dattebayo wrote:So...
We have two claimed millers.
Also, animorph, why did you claim?
Why would town say that we should get over it. Please elaborate.2. Saying that the claim was a plain mistake, implying we should get over it.This is a null tell; scum or town could say it was a mistake. We should be focusing on whether it was a calculative answer or a genuine mistake and I'm thinking the latter.
Now you are not replying to the issue at hand. Firstly, why would he be thinking that I was trying to get him lynched? It's complete nonsense! I didn't even vote for him! I didn't express severe suspicion! Why would a towny be so paranoid? Secondly, why would me be trying to get him lynched be scummy. Isn't that just pure OMGUS. As for that 'on little basis' thing you added, how can you be so sure he implied that.3. "It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.", while I wasn't voting for him at the time. In fact, that statement in itself is scummy enough, anyone is able to see that.This statement is taken out of context. While he said little to accompany this statement; the material implied he thought you were trying to lynch him on little basis; not simply lynch him. Pulling quotes out of context is a scum tactic.
No, I am not trying to take advantage of him. I am trying to get discussion going, to get information out of him, and I think he's scummy for saying those things.It seems that SirD is trying to take advantage of a vulnerable target but the biggest problem I have with him is the following statement:
That statement screams scum. Look! (1)He attached a timeframe to his vote. No townie would ever ever do this; this shows calculative planning in favor of the scum agenda. (2)Townies only relieve votes when scummier targets come along or the current target ceases to seem scummy. (3)They change their suspicions when the circumstances call for it; they never have a scumhunting game plan that specific so to speak. Only the scum do. (4)In addition, this makes SirD's vote look insincere since he's so willing to change it in a "while".sirdanilot wrote:That said, I haven't heard a truly compelling defense against my case on you yet, meaning that I am going to keep my vote on you for a while.
I would appreciate if the other players would reply to my summarized case against animorpher, what does everyone think about it?
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2. Did I ever imply that I wasn't going to do that? Anyway, what I meant is that I wasn't going to unvote him because he didn't cease to be scummy to me.
3. This is based on nothing. I never said that I had a specific plan or something among those lines. You are just making things up here.
4. I never said that I was willing to change it in a while. Was I supposed to say 'I am going to keep my vote on you for EVER!!!'? Because I really know better than to say that, even though I think he is scum right now, this is the first few pages of the game.
When scumhunting, you shouldn't start assuming that your target is scum and you shouldn't start making up things that I really didn't mean with my post. Your best point is probably your reply to point 2, I am very interested in hearing another side of that story.-
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Then that is your opinion. Newbie animorpher could have made a mistake, experienced animorpher claiming would've been scummy. I pick the second because he doesn't deserve to be treated softly because he is a newbie. So, how does this makes me scummy, since that's what your post is ultimately about. Are townies not entitled to their opinion?Dattebayo wrote:
Why is it irrelevant? The fact that I almost did the same thing is completely relevant; it reinforces the likeliness that Animorpher is telling the truth.I completely disagree. The fact that you almost made that mistake should not enter your reasoning, since it is irrelevant. A newbie could have made that mistake, yes, and animorpher may be a newbie, but most of all, he is a player in this game. I would never ever let an experience player get away with this, so I am not letting animorpher get away with this.
There's nothing wrong with treating ani as an experienced player, but you have to look evaluate him for his truth in explanation not just his seeminly scummy move. Thus, my read on him stands as townie.
Okay sure, I may have misphrased that, I'll update my list. But could you now reply to the issue at hand? Do you agree it is bad or not, and why?
Whether you evaluate his reasoning as good or bad doesn't change the fact that you said there was no reasoning when there actually was.Ah yes, that's indeed a reasoning, but guess what: it's a bad one. There's no way that I am going to say: 'aww you made a mistake, okay then, I can understand that, unfos.' He's just trying to get away with it playing the newbie card.
Hmm... that's an interesting opinion. Why would he think it's no big deal to claim, though? I think that something like claiming is in fact a big deal.Why would town say that we should get over it. Please elaborate
Take a second and imagine that Ani is town. Now, he made a mistake and is called out on it. He says its a mistake and thinks its no big deal.
Now imagine he's scum; he made a scum move and invents a rationale. He says its no big deal.
Either way, ani says the same thing. There is nothing to be inferred on his alignment this way.
Isn't that what I am doing.
Your not examining this on all levels; play empathetically. Put yourself in ani-scum's shoes and ani-town's shoes.Now you are not replying to the issue at hand. Firstly, why would he be thinking that I was trying to get him lynched? It's complete nonsense! I didn't even vote for him! I didn't express severe suspicion! Why would a towny be so paranoid? Secondly, why would me be trying to get him lynched be scummy. Isn't that just pure OMGUS. As for that 'on little basis' thing you added, how can you be so sure he implied that.
You forget that ani-scum could think, 'hmm he has nailed scum, let's put up my big newbie towny face', and work from the assumption that he is town, and start suspecting me for it. I certainly think he is capable of doing such a thing.Aniscum, by doing this move would be panicing and trying to shove the pressure unto you. That reasoning is fair enough and I can see where your coming from here. But as scum he wouldn't have any good logic to support "why would me be trying to get him lynched be scummy." whole argument he presented. Think about it; as scum he would know that you pushing him isn't scummy because you have in fact nailed scum. That argument wouldn't be coherent in a scum mindset and thus ani-scum would not have presented it as thus.
But then, you are again treating him differently because he is a newbie and I am inherently against such an approach, especially in the beginning of the game.However, anitown could just be self-righteous and frustrated at the fact that your pushing him on a mistake that is genuine. Now take into fact that he is a newb and you can see why he is so paranoid about being lynched; he's never handled pressure before. Thus "why would me be trying to get him lynched be scummy." suddenly can be logically answered. He would reasonably think that "hey, I'm town and this guy is pushing me on wrong points; since scum try to take down townies he's probably scum." Thus, he would only present this argument in a townie mindset.
And to finish this up: here's a little theory on OMGUS. Venomous OMGUS is scummy while self-righteous OMGUS tends to be newb town. Angry and venoumous behaviors identify more with the scum than does the town while self-righteousness identifies more with the town than does the scum.
I didn't mean the 'while' as such, as a specific time frame. I meant 'while' like something like, until something else comes up. Why do you feel the need to think so deeply about tiny semantics?
1. The "for a while" clause in fact a set timeframe. It says your going to keep your vote on him now but it also implies more...1. Huh, what 'timeframe' did I attach to my post? You mean that I said that I am going to keep my vote on him for a while? That is true. With that I mean that I see no reason to put my vote off him. See it as me confirming my vote on him.
2. Did I ever imply that I wasn't going to do that? Anyway, what I meant is that I wasn't going to unvote him because he didn't cease to be scummy to me.
3. This is based on nothing. I never said that I had a specific plan or something among those lines. You are just making things up here.
4. I never said that I was willing to change it in a while. Was I supposed to say 'I am going to keep my vote on you for EVER!!!'? Because I really know better than to say that, even though I think he is scum right now, this is the first few pages of the game.
2-4. The clause implies that your vote is more prone to change after some time rather than changing circumstances. Thus your own planned timeframe or escape route controls the vote rather than the scumminess associated with your target therefore your vote is insincere. And, you should have said my vote stands or my votes not moving. Or I'm keeping my vote on you.
I'm not saying you have this huge elaborate plan. I'm saying the you planned a specific timeframe and escape clause. Something a townie would not do.
I'll use those sentences then, if you prefer, but I really don't see how they make such a big difference. Scum could also say 'my vote stands'. It's a different way of saying the same.
So I (hypothetical sirdan-scum) am first going to say that newbies shouldn't be treated as such, and then I am going to blame his newbness? Could you elaborate on how that is logical?
If ani flips town, then all sird would have to do is blame animorph's newbness or just animorph.What reason would sird have for pursuing animorph if he were scum? Someone said something about going for an easy lynch or something, but why would scum do that? If animorph flips town, he'd be in an awful position the next day. Towns are generally awful enough at lynching scum that any experienced scum should be content enough to just let the town do their own thing.
Dattebayo, your case seems a bit misguided and you were looking too deeply into semantics. I disagree with your approach on newbies, and I fail to see how that is scummy. Actually, it would be a discussion worthy of a thread on MD.-
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HahahahahahahahahahaAxelrod wrote:Hi there! I'm replacing somebody! I don't actually know who, but I assume it's one of those guys who were going to be replaced.
What's happening!
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Brilliant. Can I sig that?
(obviously this is not your fault the mod should have told you but still lol)
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Okay, Dattebayo, I am glad that you see that something like that is purely a different approach and that both approaches are equally defendable. If you need a response on any of the issues, I'll be glad to give it, but for now I'll only reply to this point.
But then, we once again enter the same argument about whether to approach him like a newbie or not. I would never believe an experienced player would make such a mistake, so yes, this is just more of the same I am starting to believe that my entire case on animorpher stands or falls with my approach of newbies now, but that does not make it any less valid in my opinion.Dattebayo wrote: Simply, he saw two players before him claim out of what seemed nothing and thought it was just not a big deal to claim.
And as for ani's last post, it perfectly fits with the big newbie town face he is trying to create here. Still no really valid defense against my case yet.-
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1. Now, that's a very good question, Dattebayo. The reason for that is that at the time, I found it a bit unlikely for scum to fake counter claim so early in the game. But right now, I am not completely sure about that. That is also one of the reasons I stopped voting Natirasha (but ani's scummyness was of course a much bigger reason).Dattebayo wrote:
(1)Why did you vote Natirasha out of the two claimed millers? Why not Der Hammer?sirdanilot wrote:Two millers claiming, someone randomly claiming...
vote Natirasha
What do you think about amorpher's claim? And the counter claim?
(2)Also, Der Hammer why did you claim miller with a question mark at the end of your claim?
Not completely sure yet what to think of the situation.
2. Now, I don't mean to answer for DH but this issue was resolved long ago. I think he was surprised that there were two millers, he wasn't unsure that he was a miller himself, but I'll let DH explain that himself.
Also, pacman, I am usually more 'eager' in the beginning of the game than towards the end, and in the game we played you didn't see me in the beginning since I replaced in later on. But meta isn't really that important anyway.-
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Seems like we are having a LOT of juicy posts to analyze tomorrow.
Xtoxm, could you answer my post? If you can't make it before the lynch scene is posted, you can post an answer tomorrow if you like.
Dattebayo's vote could be perceived as slightly opportunistic, but doesn't really fire serious alert bells right now. Still,sirdanilot wrote:
So you don't want to follow with axel's proposal, why?sirdanilot wrote: Xtoxm: do you have anything useful to add?
I expect to see something really useful now, Xtoxm.IGMEOY Dattebayo
And well, Natirasha's hammer deserves nothing less thanBIG FOS natirasha.
I wasn't online when DG said:
Did the votecount say that there were 4 votes on DH at the time of this post?DrippingGoofball wrote: Just making sure, the next vote for Der Hammer is a L-1, right?
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There are no colors in iLord's PMs.animorpherv1 wrote:Yea.
don't ask me how.
I am always very suspicious of people who don't read their role PMs... it is very likely that DH will flip mafia, judging from the flavor, and he didn't read his pm either! And I've seen this in other games too.
I am not saying that itDattebayo wrote:How was it oppurtunistic?was certainlyopportunistic, but that it could beperceivedas such. You see, when DH posted the message you quoted, there was hardly any chance that he wasn't going to be lynched, so a hypothetical Dattebayo-scum would have voted him for that.
It is, however, also possible that Dattebayo-town would've voted him in that case, hence the IGMEOY instead of a fos or (symbolic) vote. In a short day 1 like this one it's important to analyze everything.-
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1. Even better to look it up yourself. Shouldn't cost that much time. Also I find it a bit exaggerated that you would 'look like an idiot' and I fail to see how that would even matter to someone who is pro-town.armlx wrote:
(1)Better to ask and be right then the not ask and look like an idiot? I don't see your point here.What were you fearing had you accidentally voted the wrong person for claiming miller?
(2)Because it had appeared DGB did not agree at first?Why did you mention that you and DGB agreed right after you voted?
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So you admit to all the points.armlx wrote:
I'm lazy.1. Even better to look it up yourself. Shouldn't cost that much time. Also I find it a bit exaggerated that you would 'look like an idiot' and I fail to see how that would even matter to someone who is pro-town.
Nothing I guess.2. What stopped you from voting in this post?
So well yeah,light FoS armlxbut honestly this case isn't really that strong anyway. We're better off looking at day 1. Arlmx, could you give us your read?
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This discussion was interesting but it ended prematurely. Natirasha, why do you think it's so obvious that one of the supposed powers is not to be a miller?GhostWriter wrote:
This, in no way, seems obvious to me. It is, in fact, far closer to a stretch to cover oneself, than anything else.Natirasha wrote:
It's simple in my eyes. In a game where people gain powers as they answer questions correctly, it seems extremely obvious that one of our supposed "powers" is to not be a miller.Axelrod wrote: Of course, Nat. just said the same thing abo9ut two Millers. So, question to both of you: what is it about this set-up that leads you to the conclusion that there could be multiple millers?
This is also a very interesting discussion during twilight:
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This comes across as somewhat insincere, considering you apparently had no problems at all putting him at L-1.Natirasha wrote:
I'm not entirely sure I want to go to night yet.malthusis wrote:
Why are you worrying about not hammering Der Hammer?...damn.
And you also didn't say anything else, like, "hay guys, this is L-1, but I'm not really sure I want to go to Night yet...."
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Later turns out neither of them did (why wouldn't you check).animorpherv1 wrote: Sure. So, there are 2 people thinking there are millers, and I think Nat and Der Hammer both adapted the idea of there being Death millers.
Why would you try to make a reread of the miller claims... without actually reading. 'I think they both claimed miller and then iirc suddenly out of nowhere they were like death miller I think?My first thought "Death millers? Scum." I think they are talking about themselves as being "death millers" aka scum.
If I have this right, Nat claimed stoner, aka miller. Of course, all miller claims are impossible to verify if you don't get them lynched, but if I'm correct, they thought about in the same 2 pages, then they mere just "There is probably a death miller" for the rest of the game. This came out of nowhere, so I am accusing them of being scum.
So he thinks that both Nat and DH claimed death miller. Ani, why did you choose to vote DH over Nat at this point?unvote, vote: Der Hammerbecause the death miller thing is a out there, and a something I think only scum would say there is, to get themself out of trouble of they need it.
He already claimed at the time...I'll bet that if Der Hammer claims, he'll claim miller or death miller.
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Still he didn't check?animorpherv1 wrote: My fault. I thought you did. I know Der Hammer did that though.
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So, he admits his accusations were false but he doesn't unvote him? And then he comes up with another reason to be voting him, namely that he wasn't posting much. So essentially that is now his only reason to be voting DH, and lurkerlynch=poop.animorpherv1 wrote:@ DerHammer- your right. False accusations., I am sorry, however, you don't seem to be posting much. I'd like to see some more activity from you.
...@ malthusis- because they may be talking about themself, and Death Miller is something that scum may claim. Altough I'd doubt they would, it's a possibility.
This needs no further explanation other than that it doesn't really look like a very solid case.
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Now I'll further analyze the DH bandwagon.
#123 - Electra votes DH for similarity in role names. No alarm bells, sounds pretty reasonable.
#131 - axel votes DH for the same reason as electra... except how can he know Electras role. anyway, this still doesn't ring bells.
#135 - tbh I don't really agree with the reasoning. the reason I don't agree is that students usually don't like students who kiss up to the teacher, and the kissing up student may be wanting to expell them.
#136 well yeah... I'll call this the point of no return, he basically sealed his fate here.
#138 - vote after the point of no return
#139ELECTRA:Could you sate the reasons for FoSing animorpher and natirasha here?
#143 - vote after the point of no return
#148 - vote after the point of no return, this was a hammer even though he didn't know it himself
Oh, and we shouldn't forget my case on animorpher from early day 1.
1. Claiming without reasoning.
2. Saying that the claim was a plain mistake, implying we should get over it.
3. "It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.", while I wasn't voting for him at the time. In fact, that statement in itself is scummy enough, anyone is able to see that.
4. Playing the newbie card.
5. Tries to make a case of DH while not even reading the thread, this also included some elements of bad logic and his case did not look sincere.
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Hey you know what guys, I'm going to actually seriously analyze this post.animorpherv1 wrote:woops! Sorry for not posting (my eyes are tired, had a Snow day)
My defense against sirdanilot: (1)I claimed Class Clown, (2)it makes sense. (3)I don't see your claim anywhere.
(4)I DID reread after a while, but to no avail.
If anyone is scum, its sird & DGB.
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FOS: DGBfor saying that a miller makes sense, then saying that we will have to lynch the miller sooner or later.
1. Why did you claim. You had no reason to at all.
2. No it didn't, because you had no reason to. It doesn't make any sense at all, actually.
3. ... Are you seriously implying that people who don't claim are scummy? What about everyone else who didn't claim (aka the entire game not called you and natirasha)? Are they all scum?
4. How does this do anything to defend you in any way.
I won't even start to comment on the dgb fos.
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1. Sorry can't do!animorpherv1 wrote:1. It was a mistakeGET OVER IT. Eveeryone else has.
2. My claim makes sense. Don't tell me you've never had a class where someone was funny/ trying to be funny.
3. No, I'm not, that would be stupid.
4. You said I didn't reread.
(5)anyways, I'm sticking on sird for being either a lyncher (think about it someone who wants to take the funny kid's place) or bad scum.
2. Oh like that. The role name alone doesn't really give me enough information for the role to make sense or not, but seriously I never implied that what you claimed didn't make sense.
3. Then what are you trying to say.
4. You should have re-read earlier, obviously. And why didn't you take off your vote after your re-read?
5. I hope everyone notices this bit!
I'd love to see more people commenting on the animorpher case. Oh and please don't buy the excuse of 'aww he's just new...' I've seen newbie scum act like this way too often, also read my arguments earlier in the thread (discussions with Dattebayo and animorpher).-
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Oh, now we're entering a whole new sphere of things.
Ani, could you please fully claim now. Not only are you under enough pressure now, you have semi claimed multiple times and it's time for the pieces to fall together.
May I also mention that there's almost never a Jester in games not themed to be so. If ani does flip jester then we can label iLord as a bastardmod.
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I think I get what he means here.animorpherv1 wrote:Right now, I'm Class Clown, no powers, nothing.
that's why I think I got more negative than posivtive points.
anyways, if noone can see the difference, Clown and Jester aren't really that different, so that is what I am thinking.
He's (appearing to be) a confused newbie, he is claiming vanilla but started role speculating because he made the link 'I'm the clown ---> I may become jester'. At least, that's what I think.
I still see no reason for a townie to say that, so this is no real reason not to lynch him, but just wanted to make this clear.
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Where do the game mechanics state scum don't know the correct answers? For the record, I also know one of these is right, but still I am not convinced not to lynch animorpher yet.
Well, that's quite the radical idea isn't it. We should think something like that through very, very, very carefully, and we're better off waiting for that until tomorrow in my opinion, when we know more about the consequences of answer claiming.If its right for him to claim, then its right for a mass claim of answers.-
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One or two people would then be like 'hey I have another answer for 1 and 6' and he'd have shot himself in the foot.armlx wrote:
This.Dattebayo wrote:SirD, scum would more likely lie about their answers.
My main issue is how few answers he revealed.
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Hmm I'm not so sure what to think of that hammer, fact is, animorpherisin fact the best lynch today, but itcanbe disputed and you should have given the other players a chance to.igmeoy GhostWriter
I'm not going further than that, because it's really very easy to say the person who hammers is scum, and you know what was the trend lately, nobody had the guts to hammer anymore.-
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Goofball could you say how many answers xtoxm gave you?
Looking at some PMs in my inbox I think I have quite a few reasons to:
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I am not going to quote them here, but let's just say that nat and xtoxm were close enough that I suspect nat gave her answers to him. I am not at all saying that I've now confirmed nat as scum since there are probably other people who traded with xtoxm, but this is my best bet for now.
Nat is also #1 candidate for a re-read, so let's see. The following PbPA's numbers are the actual post numbers, not one player thread numbers. I skipped a few miscellaneous posts here and there that don't contain much content.
5 - Miller claim, claiming not to set alerts (although she did). Do I need to say more.
31 - 'k so uhm yeah' don't you have anything useful to say?
41 - answers my question after being pressured to. 'yes there can be other millers' (read: believes dh's claim)
48 - thought ani claimed miller, ' I think it's town it sounds like a scum gambit i'd employ' what?
61 - 'i never said that '
65 - now he says 'the claim is true but I think he's scum'
74 - oh how adorable he finds me protown. says his claim doesn't warrant a vote yet votes ani. the game doesn't interest him
85 - . 'this will be an interesting game'
94 - makes a rather weird assumption that sounds more like useless speculation to me
102-3 - it may seem so obvious to you, but it isn't that obvious, nat!
106 - no death millers. very well
134 - he agrees with something I don't even understand myself
148 - DH hammer. there was never any expression of suspicion but he just decides to hop on. it doesn't matter if he actually thought he voted for l-1 or that he hammered on purpose.
150, 152 - "oh damn! did I really hammer him????'
154 - why not nat?
156 - 'but I thought I put him at l-1!!'
168 - . he doesn't continue discussion
190 - argues that millers should claim day 1
223 - votes ani because he claimed jester (he didn't claim jester). he ignores my question at the top of the page
250 - says he knew both answers. mkay
255 - oh wow interesting. says he knew that animorpher had more answers because he said he cheated off him last night... what am I to make of this?
262 - awwwww sounds like a scene in a drama movie or something
285 - oh snap
conclusion: he has a few slippery contradictions, actually more than just a few. his stance on DH and animorpher was fairly straightforward though, but his voting behavior was very opportunistic. I think nat is the best lynch for now but I'm looking forward to other people's opinions. my main point of concern is still the pms he sent.-
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Don't worry, arlmx is dead. Actually you killed him, did you forget?Natirasha wrote:I'll save armlx the trouble and say this without much provocation.
Oh sorry, maybe it was your scumbuddy. silly me
StrangerCoug isn't even in this game. Who did you trade with?I traded with Axelrod(actually the dude he replaced, but I digress), DGB, Malthy, and xtomx day one.
I cheated off armlx night one.
I traded(again) with DGB and StrangerCoug day two.
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Looking forward to something actually constructive from you.Axelrod wrote:I'm here, but I'm not paying attention at the moment.
I think that looking at Nat. is a good place to start the day.
Nat, do you not have any comment at all to my pbpa of you? Do you acknowledge all my points? I was looking for a bit of a discussion with you about it, I think that you refusing to discuss is pretty anti town.-
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You implied the miller (nat) is scum, nat says 'so that makes me scum [sarcasm]' gw says 'he didn't attack you for it' nat 'he implied i am scum' gw 'oh I didn't see an actual miller can't have scumbuddies' dgb 'oh so you believe the miller claim'
GW doesn't understand you and you don't understand gw.
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Not sure what you mean here. Also what are you thoughts of claiming miller day 1. Do you think it is a good strategy?You, on the other hand, while not being obviously scummy, have tended to push some matters above and beyond the call of duty when it wasn't called for. It's not enough for a vote, but here's looking at you.-
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A) Oh wow, that's such a scum tell. I bolded a light FoS. Sorry scumteam. Should I claim now?Jahudo wrote:Secondly: Based on the game's actions so far I think Sirdan looks scummier than Nat. Here's some PbPa:
B) I have, look:
A) Oh come on, I posted my case on animorpher earlier. Point invalid.
B) Huh? How did I misread this? Isn't this exactly what I meant? That DH claimed miller?
Oh come on are we going through this all again? Read my discussions with Dattebayo on why I thought he was scummy. Okay, I was wrong. Does this make me scum? No. Since I happen to be town, I don't know the alignments of the players. That's the point of the game, really.
I didn't think of that his role implied he had most answers wrong. Anyway, he did have two right answers so how would that have cleared him?
A) I know this via PMs. I think I may actually reveal the PMs at some point. I am sure that they will be quite persuasive.
Vote: Sirdanilot
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this is what he said. He didn't say anything about which day he was talking about.Additionally, I am not setting any alerts. Anyone who wants to cheat off me can.
C) Sure let Nat defend this.
D) Sure let Nat defend this.
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I don't think you're entitled to refuse responding to my pbpa right now. Seriously.Natirasha wrote:A few things.
1. To sird, I will have a seperate post talking to you. However, after that *last* game, I no longer respond/believe in PBPAs except from the most highest tiered players, which I am unsure you are yet.-
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Wait. Hold it.
This is untrue. 1b is correct.jahudo wrote: I got a list of the answers Electra submitted last night and another list of the answers she had right. She submitted 1 as B and 6 as D but neither showed up on the list of answers correct.fos jahudo
Whatever, scum!Jahudo-scum wrote:Any reason why your acting more like Ythill than sirdan from Innocence Falls?
Okay.
Point withdrawn. I missed one of the double negatives in the following quote:sirdanilot wrote:B) Huh? How did I misread this? Isn't this exactly what I meant? That DH claimed miller?
I thought you said he wasn't sure about his miller status when he actually was. A few people did want him to confirm miller after he already did and these people weren't reading close enough.sirdanilot post 98 wrote:I think he was surprised that there were two millers, hewasn't unsure that he was a miller himself, but I'll let DH explain that himself.
See above
I am now saying that they are lies. Electra used those answers and they didn't work.sirdanilot wrote:I didn't think of that his role implied he had most answers wrong. Anyway, he did have two right answers so how would that have cleared him?
No. Saying that he won't set alerts means to me that he won't set alerts. But this is a matter of interpretation.
Since you can set alerts at any time throughout the day or on any day, he can tell the truth in post 5 but also set alerts later on and not be lying.sirdanilot wrote:He didn't say anything about which day he was talking about.
We may be on to something here with jahudo lying about 1B (which is actually correct)... still keeping my vote on the miller though.-
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sirdanilot wrote:Goofball could you say how many answers xtoxm gave you?
Looking at some PMs in my inbox I think I have quite a few reasons to:
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I am not going to quote them here, but let's just say that nat and xtoxm were close enough that I suspect nat gave her answers to him. I am not at all saying that I've now confirmed nat as scum since there are probably other people who traded with xtoxm, but this is my best bet for now.
Nat is also #1 candidate for a re-read, so let's see. The following PbPA's numbers are the actual post numbers, not one player thread numbers. I skipped a few miscellaneous posts here and there that don't contain much content.
5 - Miller claim, claiming not to set alerts (although she did). Do I need to say more.
31 - 'k so uhm yeah' don't you have anything useful to say?
41 - answers my question after being pressured to. 'yes there can be other millers' (read: believes dh's claim)
48 - thought ani claimed miller, ' I think it's town it sounds like a scum gambit i'd employ' what?
61 - 'i never said that '
65 - now he says 'the claim is true but I think he's scum'
74 - oh how adorable he finds me protown. says his claim doesn't warrant a vote yet votes ani. the game doesn't interest him
85 - . 'this will be an interesting game'
94 - makes a rather weird assumption that sounds more like useless speculation to me
102-3 - it may seem so obvious to you, but it isn't that obvious, nat!
106 - no death millers. very well
134 - he agrees with something I don't even understand myself
148 - DH hammer. there was never any expression of suspicion but he just decides to hop on. it doesn't matter if he actually thought he voted for l-1 or that he hammered on purpose.
150, 152 - "oh damn! did I really hammer him????'
154 - why not nat?
156 - 'but I thought I put him at l-1!!'
168 - . he doesn't continue discussion
190 - argues that millers should claim day 1
223 - votes ani because he claimed jester (he didn't claim jester). he ignores my question at the top of the page
250 - says he knew both answers. mkay
255 - oh wow interesting. says he knew that animorpher had more answers because he said he cheated off him last night... what am I to make of this?
262 - awwwww sounds like a scene in a drama movie or something
285 - oh snap
conclusion: he has a few slippery contradictions, actually more than just a few. his stance on DH and animorpher was fairly straightforward though, but his voting behavior was very opportunistic. I think nat is the best lynch for now but I'm looking forward to other people's opinions. my main point of concern is still the pms he sent.-
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And I still don't agree with this interpretation, but whatever.Jahudo wrote:This is my take on sirdan's PBPA on Nat...- 5 - Unless you can prove that Nat set alerts on Day 1, this is not a lie. He never unconditionally said he'd leave alerts off the entire game.
Fluff post = tell31 - not a tell. fluff post only.
uh ok41/48/61/65 - I think he means to say "Ani's character claim (Class Clown) looks true but is not entirely town-oriented. It could be scum alignment just as easy, which is a gambit to pull." I understood that from his original post, not his explanation.
how could that be town74 - this is contradictory. I'm inferring that he doesn't have confidence in a animorph wagon but that feeling is outweighed by not wanting pressure on himself. This could be town or scum I guess.
no. contradiction with 74 where he said the game didn't interest him. neverthele[quote[ss, only a very small tell if anything but still worth to note.85 - not a tell. fluff post only.
to me it's more that he's trying to say that the speculation is 'obvious'. it isn't94/102 - IIOA. He's talking setup but not scumhunting. Slight scum tell.
this is slight setup speculation but w/e106 - not a tell. animorph misread the game and nat corrected him.
Even if he didn't know that he was hammering, so mindlessly voting him to put him at l-1 and then saying 'damn I hammered him' is scummy enough in itself. how can you not see that.148 - I agree. He didn't express suspicion before voting. This could be a huge scum tell if the post count wasn't incorrect. Maybe Nat knew what he was doing and knew he could use it to defend himself, maybe not.
see above. even if he didn't know, this is scummy.150/152/154/156/ - If this was face to face we might know if he was acting, but I can't tell from that.
I have no idea.168 - This could be a scum tell. He said he wanted to scumhunt and he was given an extended twilight, but he does nothing with it.
190 - Theory talk but we had to say something to armix I guess.
223 - Alot of people voted animorph over the jester thing. I don't see how Nat looks any different. Also, your post was overflowing with loose ends about animorph and armix so I can understand someone else not responding to a question the first time its asked in that manner.
250 - not a scum tell.
255 - Yeah, animorph said he didn't cheat so I guess we trust him over Nat here. Ani said he got them randomly though and I don't know how he could do that? Does this mean Nat is lying or Ani was confused?
285 - way to dismiss what he said and just look at the 'sarcasm' brackets.262 - personality tell if anything.
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I don't really get what you're getting at. 255 is a nat post, not an ani post. As for 254 (which was an ani post), he wasn't answering a question. He only said that he got only 2 with his role. As for 259, "I just got it randomly, I don't remember asking to cheat off you.". I don't know what this means. Nat says that hejahudo wrote:Post 255 - Do you think Animorph was A) Telling the truth or B) Confused at the question. If A, then Nat is scum and we should lynch him now. And explain how A is true because Ani confused me with this post so I think B.saidhe cheated off him n1, butdidhe cheat off him? Ani only said that hehasn't askedto cheat off Nat, not that hehasn't done it. And "I just got it randomly" what is that supposed to mean. Maybe that he randomly picked someone to cheat off of, but does that even matter?
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1 noSince Ani is town (1)maybe he did ask the mod to pick a target at random, (2)or maybe random cheating is in his role ability as Class Clown
2 We will never know. And we cannot assume this simply because we would then be setup speculating. Also, personally this makes little sense to me but that doesn't even matter.
Therefore the only assumption we can make is that he just randomly chose a target out of the list and it was nat.
Since the random thing is a non issue (it doesn't really matter does it) we need to ask ourselves if ani PMed with nat. To be honest, look at post 74. He suspects animorpher. Since animorpher was a newbie I don't think that he would find someone who is voting him pro-town. Not pro-town enough to pm.
Look at post 105, he suspects nat for claiming death miller (which he didn't, but that doesn't matter). He takes that back in 107, but look at 111; when he takes it back about DH, he doesn't unvote him. So for some reason he still suspects DH enough, and it would be only logical to extend that to Natirasha. Remember I am just following ani's logic here.
If you can point me to even a single day 1 post where ani said nat was pro town, we should immediately unvote nat. But you probably can't. That's why I still think Nat is scum and we should lynch him.-
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I'm here.
I suppose we're at mylo now, if there are two scum left. If dgb flips town, and the scum get a night kill, it'll probably be 2 vs 2. So this is quite the risk I suppose. I got mostly town vibes from dgb this game so I'm really not sure.
I consider it likely that the game contains 3 scum and then the sk or psychopath (what's the difference?). Since no lynching won't get us anywhere I think that we should take the risk of lynching dgb now.
I am not hammering right now since hammering in the first post after a week of absence would not be the best course of action and I'm still a bit hesitant. Does anyone want any other information from me?
I think some rereads discussing interaction with Natirasha are in order before the hammer vote is placed.-
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Eep. I'm here.
Eek, this screams so much scum, since the picking vs cutter incident was resolved already.GhostWriter wrote:This is quite simple. DGB is obviously lying. A rich girl, who happens to gain the powers of a thief? Mistaking lock PICKING with using bolt CUTTERS? Everyone knows what lock picking is, and can assume, roughly, how it is done; people know, through sheer common sense, that bolt cutters cut, and do not pick.
This seems a bit too pushy.DrippingGoofball wrote:Jahudo, what do you think of GW?
So yes, GW dropped a scum tell there but I don't think he fits in with any of our potential scum. Still worth noting.
It seems that roles typically have the name of a high school stereotype, and that the town name is 'innocent' and the mafia are the 'druggies'. The psychopath is obviously third party. Rich girl does not seem to bear any connection or aversion with/to druggies (rebelling rich girl doing drugs? mafia godfather daughter? or nice rich girl doing nothing with drugs?). However, rich girl and thief seem a bit of a no-no to me. If this is true, then it would point towards a druggie rich girl gone bad at best.confirmed roles wrote: NPC, The Hillbilly Kid, Innocent has been expelled Day 1.
Der Hammer, Orchestra Geek, Innocent has been lynched Day 1.
Xtoxm, the Football Player, Innocent has been stabbed through the back Night 1.
Animorpherv1, the Class Clown, Innocent has been killed by a glass shard Day 2.
Armlx (VisMaior), the Too-Nice Kid, Innocent has been poisoned Night 2.
UnofficialRulerofEveryone (Natirasha), the Fat Kid, Druggie has been shot with a pistol Day 3.
Malthusis, the Quiet Kid, Psychopath has been killed Night 3.
That's everything I'm willing to speculate on in this post.
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Firstly, Axelrods pushy posts gave me some bad vibes, so here is some axelrod/mana-ku interaction with Natirasha and vice versa.
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mana-ku:
post 32: "I'm not gonna focus on those claims yet. I've seen to what it can lead. Eventually, it comes down to their play." distancing from nat?
35: no interaction, but just noting the "And I was wondering, how many answers have you already been given and by whom? "
axelrod:
85: "[quoting axelrod replacing in]Hm...this is interesting. Between you and SirD, I think that this will be an interesting game for me. " very minor, just pointing out.
90: out of the two miller claims, suspects DH is scum over nat.
AXELROD: why did you not start suspecting Nat when DH flipped town? You said that one of the miller claims is scum. if one flips town isn't it a logical conclusion the other one is scum?
99 - keeps the option of nat-scum open but no clear suspicion wiffle waffle
102 - the hideous nat (alt) post speculating that a 'you're no longer a miller' ability is so obvious. just for reference, because...
118 - NOTHING about nat. just a useless malth unvote (AXELROD: why?). And, reiterating his predecessor's 'what's the amount of answers everyone got'. Just to note.
158 - finally some nat suspicion. but uhm 'somewhat insincere' what?
180 - says 'that doesn't mean there aren't other reasons to vote Natirasha' and says he'll start rereading.
194... no nat reread? aww
292 - "looking at nat is a good place to start the day"
<more than a page of absence>
328 - a reasonably good post, but nothing about nat
382 - constructive post suspecting UROE (nat replacement). finally
388 - uroe says axelrod is top pick for scum, reread pending.
410 - suspects nat, but no vote yet. still pending nat reread?
443 - uroe hammer
Alright, so what has this reread told us?
The biggest tells are these:
90 - Did not suspect nat after DH flipped town.
Continuously promising nat rereads, but nothing happened
Not voting UROE day 3, while expressing suspicion, until he got the opportunity to hammer.
I think I could do one of these from DGB as well in the near future. I'm sorry for not posting a lot. What is everyone's opinion about this? It personally hasn't convinced me of axelrodscum yet but it's very worth considering (especially since I put quite a lot of time into this).
MOD: DOES THE MAFIA HAVE SAFECLAIMS?
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These two are problematic. I have another answer for 11, meaning either GW is lying -> scum or it is possible that the answers you get at the start are wrong. Maybe Jahudo can tell me the answer to 11 as well so we have a 2 vs 1?Master Ruck wrote:1=B (UROE)
2=B (Axelrod)
3=D
4=C (GhostWriter)
5=C (Malthusis)
6=D (UROE)
7=B (Me)
8=B (Me)
9=D (Axelrod)
10=C (Malthusis)
11=C (GhostWriter)
12=B (Axelrod)
13=C (Axelrod)
14=B (Axelrod)
15=C (Axelrod)
Then we have 12. Jahudo has another answer for this one than Axelrod. This means that either Jahudo/Electra is lying -> scum or, again, it's possible the answers you get at the start are wrong.
I find a GW/jahudo scum pair unlikely since if Master Ruck is indeed town I find it very likely that DGB is scum. And we can't have 3 scum left. And if MR is scum then, well, we still can't have 3 scum can we...
There is also the possibility axelrod is lying. But why would he give mruck-town all those answers? Are we dealing with a Mruck-axelrod scum pair? Wouldn't that be too perfectly orchestrated? Because other than that he dropped a huge town tell with the claim and the answers I haven't seen proof that mruck is town?
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STOP.
So basically we are now in the situation that either DGB or GW is scum right?
And I suppose Mruck supports DGB-scum. So does AxelRod (who is probably town with Mruck). Meaning GW has to be town.
If Mruck were scum, AxelRod would probably be scum too, giving us GW scum, AxelScum and Mruck Scum. This is impossible.
So GW is town. A very anti-town town, that is. I consider speculating that the test is based on real mythology not only extremely anti town, but, no offense, just downright stupid. Can you really imagine that ANY mod would do something like that? It's just ridiculous.
GW looks horribly scummy but it seems that he is probably town anyway.
I would hammer, but I want someone (preferably several people even) to confirm that my logic is correct. I do not trust myself with the game deciding vote right now. Yes, yes, I know hesitating to hammer is horrible and all that...
The only flaw in my logic I can see myself is that mruck is an insane cop. There is little to nothing we can do to minimize the risk. We'll just have to take it I guess.
This would fit in better with GW-scum though, since he looks horribly scummy while DGB doesn't really, to be honest...-
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Meta: DGB loves bussing. What she loves even more is discussing or speculating who is bussing.
You know what, I am going to take responsibility for this. I am going to take the risk of being called a freaking idiot endgame. I have posted my logic, I have seen no town say it was false. This is my logic, this is how I am playing
vote DGB
I am terribly sorry if I made a huge mistake. Feel free to call me an idiot if I did, but at least do it constructively so I can avoid being an idiot next time. Through errors we learn, right.
Maybe if I do it once, laying down the game deciding vote will be less difficult for me.-
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Massclaim time!
I am the DEBATER. Last night I got the power to ONE-SHOT REDIRECT (among other things). I decided to redirect GHOSTWRITER to target AXELROD. The results were that someone tried to stop me, but redirection was faster than roleblocking.
As you can see, JAHUDO died tonight. This means that GHOSTWRITER cannot be scum. This means that I suspect AXELROD is scum, with MASTER RUCK as the only other possible suspect.
Now I want AXELROD and MASTER RUCK to completely claim what they did, like I did. I also want ROLE NAMES from AXELROD and MASTER RUCK. In that order, please.
We should be able to WIN this game as TOWN because of the plethora of powers we got this night.-
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