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Your right don't feel awkward about the random stage....millar13 wrote:
I've only known scum players to try and make a game serious A.S.A.PStrangerCoug wrote:
And the thing wrong with that is?millar13 wrote:Battousai wrote:Vote: Millar13for taking an anti-town policy in order to help his scum play.for applying "tactics" in the random voting stage
FOS:BATTUOSAI
so doing so was a scum tell
Towny doesn't feel akward around the random stage
so why would you not vote, like everyone else is doing?
and why would you FOS the 2 people who put a slight bit of pressure on you, millar13?-
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Thanks for answering the questions millar13, looks townie.millar13 wrote:If you read Post 42 Sajin you would have noticed, that I no longer FOS Battousai and instead I am looking at Firestarter in stead
And three people have put pressure on me so far, not including you...so I think you need to check your facts first and then come back to me.
I won't confirm and actually place my vote, until I am sure I that the person I am voting for appears the most scum looking. At the moment, I have suspicions but not hard fact
You still don't want to vote in the random voting stage, looks neither alignment, in and of itself, but stops information, slightly scummy.
You still fear being suspected though, scummy.
I do agree that the wagon needs to back off more for post content though. Wagons are bad for us, especially this early. Town needs more posts with content.-
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I do agree on the amount of scumminess of millar13. A townie would not fear nearly as much about the RV stage as I have posted before. I would possibly be willing to push this to a soft claim, but before that I want posts by those who have not posted.
Slight FOS:
Rage
Pacman
Issac
Dubya
Now granted its Easter, thus the slight fos. I understand if you have not posted much as of yet. But come tuesday, I would like opinions from these people before this goes ANY farther.
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@millar13- seriously? The reason for a few slip ups was a couple of fingers not working correctly? The mind is what writes sir. You said in the first few pages that FOSing is a defensive mechanism....yet that all you have done all game. So by your own logic, your being defensive, yes? I am however still waiting for the couple plain sight lurkers and no posters before proceeding.
@firestarter, post 100- The reason its off is because your reasoning for backing off is my post. Yet, you responded to my post your referencing THEN voted him THEN unvoted him. Your rationalization of the situation does not work with the post order....and it looks odd. His scummyness should not matter if we are indeed waiting for the lurkers to post.
@Battousai- I like your post 85, but I do think your dredging a little much out of the possible words/realtionships. Possibly not.
@SC- Your analyisis is super critical, but I cannot find fault with it atm.
@Korlash- Your still plain sight lurking to me.
to mod,/prodon the people who have only posted for confirmation?"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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@Firestarter- I confirmed my vote because it was on you from the random voting stage still. I wanted to state that it was no longer random.
@millar13 "bussing" The act of acting hostile to scum about to be lynched in order to distance yourself from them. This is a negative term used to describe late joiners on a popular option vote (read lynch vote). It comes from the coloquial "throwing your friend under the bus" i.e. bussing.-
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You can still bus without having your attitue change. You could deliberately argue withsome d1, have one of you get lynched so that the other could remain clear and possibly get protections and stuff. Your attitude not changing in this reguard does not clear the act."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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My spelling=fail last post >< I did not preview
There is not any reason to "line up" lynches. Doing so is prejudicial to one day and favors scum because your voting based on less information. Thats not to say someone should not be suggested to be lynched on a future day. But saying you want these next 2 people lynched then not listening to any new information in between is very scummy indeed.-
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2ndedBattousai wrote:Actually the show is over 500 episodes... (Too bad I can only watch 2 at a time at the site I watch them at )
Wow Millar, first you complain that making a mistake in wording isn't scummy, it just makes you human. Now that it has happened to Firestarter (spelling or wording), you jump on his case for it.-
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The first two lines in this post are extremly scummy....Firestarter wrote:If you seriously think I would spend 2 weeks helping out town, as scum, you are seriously deluded.
I have more important things to be doing then wasting my, and Towns time doing something like that.
Its a suggestion, nothing more.
And I can categorically deny trying to save face.
The fact I claimed vanilla in D1 has its downfalls, as Im well aware.
This ultimatelt ends with me being lynched, and I am going to do nothing to stop that when the time comes.
What I do propose doing in this timeframe, is compiling a series of posts on every player. PBPA's of each one.
Now, this should not stop anyone else from doing so, but Im willing to help Town out as much as I can while Im still here.
With my fate accepted, and it is accepted by me...
I think utilising the next 2 weeks to gather info is a good thing.
I will be confirmed town after my lynch.
For example, your latest post, Isaac, is already one that I could use in compiling such PBPA's Ive mentioned.
The more time Town has to gather info, and by that, the more info town has, the better..
IMO, scum will want this day to end as quick as possible with me on the chopping block, and move onto D2 with the info gathered already, which, lets face it, is more or less only on M13 & I.
Why not use the time left in this day to gather info?
And Ill repeat this, I accept my fate at being lynched, and will not plea to be left alive.
"wasting my, and towns time".....seriously?
And also waiting on the 3 peeps."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Your whole argument on policy lynches I completely disagree with. We can lynch off townies until lynch or lose (granted we do not know what day that is, but for game balance reasons I will assume we have 1 or 2 MLes to use). Also, lynching off firestarter here will allow his flip to tell a lot. In fact I think its scummy wanting to keep him alive at this point.
And claiming who we think is town and who is not here lets scum set up day 2 better. We already have a decent lynch."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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I think he agrees with the sentiment but not the implementation, FireFirestarter wrote:StrangerCoug wrote:
This stood out looking at your posts in isolation:Isacc wrote:@SC: Me for ad hominem? Quotes please? I'm pretty sure I was the one yelling at Firestarter for using ad hominem >.<
I can't blame you for getting frustrated, though.Isacc wrote:You.
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SC, why are you picking out a point with Isaac, only to seem to agree with him afterwards?StrangerCoug wrote:
I wouldn't like to be told to go back to kindergarten either. I am implying that there are other ways he could have gone about it, though.Korlash wrote:Well that's hardly the worst thing I've read on this site... And if you can't blame him for being frustrated then I don't see how you can honestly accuse him of Ad Hominem...-
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@Lindisfarne
1: The first part of your post is a WIFOM arguement. Scum could think you would think that and thus adjust their actions/reactions accordingly.
2: I did not say to lynch people I thought were town. I mean random lynching. The 10-3 town scum math odds of winning as town become a lot better RL twice then NLing 4 times, even with a cop accounted for in the period before LY/LO
3: His flip gives us more information regardless of what direction the flip is. Obviously it would help more if he is indeed scum.
4: It is not D2, it is D1. I will probably post a list on D2. If not then, D3 for sure. I think we have a decent first day lynch. But giving more info to the scum lets them setup better for the next day. I am not going to example this because no mafia game thread should ever have decent scum tactics posted in it. However right now I think we have a lynch and I would rather us post all the information we have tomorrow. Posting it right now would setup better night actions for scum.
4 "next": So your saying a list of scum does not provide a list of who you think is town as well?
@ sidenote: plz save that for after the night actions please."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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1:My other quote that this refers to is referring to the possibility of them being either scum or town. Its not useless depends on meta, but I have no idea what the meta of this game would be. But it was a meta argument to counter a meta argument. Neither is that useful to this actual game.Battousai wrote:
1) Then why post it? It is useless information, as I'm most confident no one planned on no lynching until endgame...Sajin wrote:2: I did not say to lynch people I thought were town. I mean random lynching. The 10-3 town scum math odds of winning as town become a lot better RL twice then NLing 4 times, even with a cop accounted for in the period before LY/LO
3: His flip gives us more information regardless of what direction the flip is. Obviously it would help more if he is indeed scum.
2) You didn't answer the question. The question was what information would be gained, not what flip would give us information.
2: The information gained would be the insight into his posts. Because he posted a lot I referred to a lot of information. Knowing the alignment behind 75 posts or whatever he is up to now in the thread adds up to a lot of stuff that can be dug through.-
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@Lin:
1-Yes lots (not all, but lots) are WIFOM arguements. But clearly I perfer the other glass of wine in this case. Your clearly judgemental on my join date. Do you bow down in homage of 2004 players?
2-3: I can't tell you what information until the flip occurs. The lot strictly refers to him having a lot of posts in the thread which sheds more light on possible information because we now know the true alignment of more posts in the thread. If you don't consider this as information then you must know firestarter's alignment.
4- I do not see a response.
@ alex - your one question to me
See last post and this one (questions 2-3).
@SC- Referencing all those scum tactics is scummy in my opinion. Purely because doing so casts doubt rather than digs up any information. I do not have a problem with your case arguments at this time."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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@firestarter my section: I can have beliefs and theories behind someones alignment. I can read into things. They are not perfect. The only way anyone gains actual information is when someone dies. I have been fooled enough by fake tells to know this. Other points I have already responded too.
Will read rest of it later and respond to other sections."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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I cannot elaborate without breaking forum conduct rules, namely referencing other mafia websites and/or ongoing games. Suffice it to say its happened before.Firestarter wrote:
Please elaborate on this point.Sajin wrote:I have been fooled enough by fake tells to know this.
That said, I like your arguments here.
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last page I said I am suspicious and you quote and agree with me. Then you slam me for actualizing my suspicions with a vote a page later. What gives?alexhans wrote:
QFT.Battousai wrote:Sajin- What are you suspicious of SC for? Don't say "I agree with Firestarter."
Its the same thing we didn't like about SC when he agreed with millar's case on fire.-
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The 2 main points I though firestarter had:
The quote your saying no one suspected millar depending on firestarters flip. As I recall it was you who theorized them as scumbuddys.
Also when you pointed out the supposed contradiction: There was no contradiction.
I think your misrepresenting firestarter with the quotes provided."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Firestar has been coming across as townie in his latest few posts. This neither clears him nor confirms him. With 3 possible new people coming in I don't want to see a quick lynch. I am pursuing another lead for the moment. And his squirmyness as I turned my eye has made me more suspicious."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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sorry, I perfer shorter posts. I still explain stuff. Just because I don't write mafia essays does not make my few points less valid.StrangerCoug wrote:
This is crap. I know Firestarter's case on me to be serious, but your case on me is a joke and can be summed up as you telling me "Yeah, whatever, scaredy cat." If you're going to vote me, at least present me with something worth defending like Firestarter did. Don't be skimping on scumhunting to see what you can get away with.Sajin wrote:
he had 2 votes I had a fos. The person under pressure he refered to was likely himself, freudian slip.Battousai wrote:How?
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@Lindisfarne
1: I got tired of the quadruple nested quotes with long posts all on the same subject. Conversation was lacking especially with out replacements.
2-3: I still think it provides information. This is not a strong argument I agree.
4/next: I think the benefits *ON DAY 1* favor scum over town. Later on, I totally agree with you."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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thats different from "skimping"Battousai wrote:
Yes, yes it does. It does if your points are vague.Sajin wrote:
sorry, I perfer shorter posts. I still explain stuff. Just because I don't write mafia essays does not make my few points less valid.StrangerCoug wrote:
This is crap. I know Firestarter's case on me to be serious, but your case on me is a joke and can be summed up as you telling me "Yeah, whatever, scaredy cat." If you're going to vote me, at least present me with something worth defending like Firestarter did. Don't be skimping on scumhunting to see what you can get away with.Sajin wrote:
he had 2 votes I had a fos. The person under pressure he refered to was likely himself, freudian slip.Battousai wrote:How?
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I am glad your still OMGUSing scum. I think korlash and Batsuoi agree with my comment. And I would love to see how you think I twisted words.StrangerCoug wrote:I still want Sajin lynched with the "80% town, but still willing to lynch" comment along with twisting my words and false OMGUS accusations, but I think Firestarter is scummy enough to warrant me hammering him.-
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Nope, they are in the thread, feel free to browse. Besides if I personally list them then SC would just claim some were not attacks, and this one was weak etc etc.
Its better for town if you decide for yourself. Not having SC or myself manipulate it."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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at the time of my pressuring him fire was voting him and kairu had accused but not posted anything.Battousai wrote:
Then by that token, do you think SC is feeling pressure from you. SC has only 1 vote on him, and is no where near being lynched. Do you think SC is only attacking you for attacking him? Do you think what you said about Fire is scummy or that saying that it is, is not a valid point?Sajin wrote:OMGUS- Sudden voting or pressuring of someone as a response to that someone voting/pressuring you. Usually done in greater amounts then original pressure in an attempt to get pressure off.
1st ?- yes
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Nope, I stand behind my statement. It is not scummy to on day 1 want to lynch someone could be town. In a 3/12 setup 80/20 is barely more town than neutral. And that is how I see Fire atm slightly town favored with a very soft floor. Its the soft floor that makes me ok with lynching him."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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1- I read this as, "give me more words to twist"
2- I answered every question asked of me and will continue to do so. Your denial of this is noted.
3- I could care less what you posted in other games. This is not relevant at all in this game, especially when brought up by the same poster. Thanks for the attempted alignment frame on yourself.
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StrangerCoug wrote:
How so? This is not the first time I've told you "this is crap". I feel that I have adequately defended my attacking you after you attacking me. If I attacked somebody and that somebody thought he or she had a legitimate reason to attack back, then he or she by all means can—his or her opinion is not void, as you are slandering mine to be. If defendants were forbidden the right to attack back if the person questioning him or her was scummy, this game would easily be won by the Mafia, and that assumes the game gets anywhere.Sajin wrote:1- I read this as, "give me more words to twist"
Actually, this is what set me off:Sajin wrote:2- I answered every question asked of me and will continue to do so. Your denial of this is noted.
How is this criticizing your not answering questions, and how is this criticizing your not answering questions as opposed to implying you're keeping things to yourself under fear of scrutiny?Sajin wrote:Besides if I personally list them then SC would just claim some were not attacks, and this one was weak etc etc.
I brought that up because that's a post I made as scum which I see as similar to yours. That game is completed, and I have used stuff I've done previously as scum as tells against others doing the same or similar in later games. Kairyuu did that against me in this very thread, and I see no difference in the long run with what I'm talking about here.Sajin wrote:3- I could care less what you posted in other games. This is not relevant at all in this game, especially when brought up by the same poster. Thanks for the attempted alignment frame on yourself.
Seriously, read it before you dismiss it as unimportant. It's backing some of my reasoning as to why you are scum.
Not reading it. Still. I love that you feel the need to create outside material to somehow demonstrate your point. I have no fear of scrutiny- you obviously do. Thanks for proving my point.-
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I fail to see the logic in this statement when you attacked me for a very similar thing. Look who is being slightly hypocritical.StrangerCoug wrote:Will do. I'm sold by the Firestarter case (specifically with his hypocrisy), so if I can't rack up enough votes for Sajin I'll deal with him later and just vote FS.
Is "racking up" votes code for bashing everyone up enough to dominate town discussion? Just curious.
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alexhans wrote:Who did ever say no lynch man? Are you more certain that SC is scum or that Fire is scum? If you think SC is scummier vote for SC regardless of how many votes Fire has... You musn't act taking others into account when voting. Vote for who you think is more scummy and no one is gonna will fault you if you give enough reasons.
the deadline with many of us split in votes means a NL may be imminent. I am willing to switch my vote instead of forcing a nl to occur.-
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1-I find people who overly agresive counterattack scummy.
2- You demonstrated this.
You can disagree with 1 all you want, its my opinion through experiences. 2, you clearly demonstrated. However, its not enough to vote you, my vote was for informational purposes.
Today, since I now doubt he is a cop,vote kairyuu
You were far to anxious yesterday. Therefore I doubt your any sort of protective role, that leaves investigation and scum. With a cop dead, I am fairly certain your the latter."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Did you even read my above statement? I think he has a night action, and I do NOT think he is a doctor from his anxious attitude. The only possibility that leaves is scum so I am voting for it.millar13 wrote:Sajin what are you doing!
Putting pressure on someone, who you think could have a power role!
With the COP dead, are you trying to remove the Doc from the equatation as well. Sounds scummy as hell-
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Ah so your sure he has a night action then? Thanks for confirming my suspicions.Korlash wrote:Right almost forgot, what about non investigative and non protective roles? Vig, RB, hider, mason, PR giver, etc... you haven't even taken those into consideration have you?
Odds are in favor of him being scum over a investigative role. I also have a strong negative vibe from that last post yesterday. If it had a different vibe to it I would not of said anything nor voted at all. But it did.-
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SCs meta from what I have gathered from previous games is to counter attack attackers when he is scum. He was not paying me any attention until I voted him with little to no case. It sure got a rise though. That was the goal take it or leave it.
I still doubt kairyuu is a cop. He left way too obvious of a breadcrumb for that. I do not think he has any PR. Bad play on his part in any case.
Do you have any comments on anything from day 1, madeofphail?-
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