Starting my reread now.
It's nice to see so many familiar faces.
That is the exact type of scumslip that no one caught me on way back when in Facedown and Thirsty.If you die and flip town, there will still be stuff that I can get on millar13 for.
Did I say that it was totally invalid? No. I didn't. I said barely valid, meaning that I rarely use it anymore. Whoohoo.Oh! but it's there and you just voted based on a semantics thing... So.... you vote but don't full read? Specially since you won't be able to post soon? How's that pro-town?
Again, learn to read. In THAT POST. The one you QUOTED, I was checking in on the thread because I didn't have much time. Do not misrep me. I voted him in a completely different post.just Checking your posts? You voted for him... that's not a check up. That's pretty serious.
That adresses all of your points. When I have more than a few minutes at a time to spend here then you get your reread. Until then you get to deal with me doing things as I go.Kairyuu, in post 470 wrote:Also, I do generally back things I say up with evidence. Lots of it. Pages and pages sometimes. However, this game was a pain in the ass to read in the hour I had to catch up and post before going to bed last night, so I skimmed instead. I'll probably just go with it for a bit, and then do a full reread once I have some more time on my hands in a few days.
^^This^^Sajin wrote:I am fairly sure hes town.I think hes town at about 80-20 odds. I am willing to go through with a lynch due to the reasons Korlash and Bat have posted. I still think SC is scum.alexhans wrote:
Hell! Im gonna make this clear:
@everyone: Do you think Fire is scum or not?
If Fire is scum, then this is a damning post for sure. Also, threats of pressure are stupid, because if you threaten scum they could just kill you and be done with it. This sounds like you are looking for an excuse to go after anyone who ends the Day before you've set up your false connections.I'm on page 6 and already afraid that there is gonna be a smart myslinch regarding Fire. I'm pretty positive that there is scum on that waggon. I'm not waiting till I finish my reading to tell you this because I'm afraid someone might hammer.
DONT DARE HAMMER!!!
If you do... I'll pursue you tomorrow till you're lynched...
Leave us replacements time to post and get answered.
This is totally OMGUS. SC questions you, so you say you're suspicious of him? Pfftt.Yeah... right. You are scared of me... If you must know... I'm really suspicious of you SC so start imagining what you're going to say when I come down on you.
This may be a valid point. When I get to SC, if this holds then this may count in your favor.Your whole pushing both cases without commiting and trying to follow the trend of Fire without argumenting is gonna be hard to explain.
millar has played well. I have a pretty decent town read on him. So yeah, SC is right here. millar>Firestarter.You assumed that miller would be best to have around? (with all his pro town actions? [/sarcasm])
This is bullshit. Are you seriously trying to defend yourself with the fact that you're a replacement? You are at your own skill level regardless of whether you start a game or replace in.You know replacements are scum's worst enemy right? (unless they're scum, of course)
Overdefensive/OMGUS much?So... Fosing me before I can question you is not gonna work. I already got you in my sight.
Thank you for confirming SC's point in the process of denying it.Notice the afraid? You're stretching. I never said he was town.I just had that fear.
You really seem to have your hackles up here. There is no reason to get so antsy over a simple FOS.A quicklynch can be disastrous and after your vote on page 6 it sure seemed going that way. Fosing me for the first thing I write? Is it because you know I've seen you as scum and think I may tunnelvission you or something?
What is the point of this statement? He suspected you for valid reasons and now you're claiming he's afraid of you? Pffft.Yeah. I replaced you as scum therefore I know a bit of your thoughts processes. And maybe that would lead you to think I'm gonna suspect you. Anyway, I don't think I'm gonna pull meta on you. I should study more cases were you're town first.
This reads as "OMG don't lynch my scumbuddy before I get a chance to shift the wagon!"Wow... Usually what scum says when they don't know how to push a quicklynch when not every player is playing. I haven't posted my notes in 24 hs and you are already calling for a hammer? Aren't you a little bit interested in what I might have to say?
Please note how much of a complete hypocrite you are. You were doing the EXACT SAME THING that I've been doing, and you have the nerve to call me out for it? PFFFTTT!!Patience. Content IS coming. There's no need to rush the vote if you're town. Scum are the only ones interested in keeping content talk to a minimum... Be pro-town.
What. The. Hell.Don't worry about me being anti town
Deadline is in all of 2 days. I would VERY much prefer an alexhans lynch for D1, but I do not see that as even close to feasible, so I am declaring my intent to go after him tomorrow.Minor FoS: Kairyuu since that last sentence reeks a little of lining up lynches.
Right. Yeah. That's totally what I accused you of. Try actually addressing my points instead of trying to dodge them.Me wanting to participate in the game before a lynch is scummy? Me wanting to prevent a lynch of a player I found town is scummy?
This has already been addressed as bullshit by other people.Did he question me? NO! he just fosed me before I could even post my thoughts. I believe he saw it as a threat to the assembled Fire lynch.
As isYou said SC and me were scum and that I OMGUS him??? How does that make sense?
I was originally planning to make another post detailing my case on Strangercoug, but your actions have made me think that that can wait until D2, or possibly be foregone altogether.I don't follow. What does "When i get to SC" mean?
My turn to ask a question. Have you read any of millar's other games? He improved dramatically during this game. To the point where I am actually beginning to like his play. Besides, attacking millar for playing poorly=/=attacking him for being scummy.Millar has played well? Did you read the same game as me? He was full of inconsistencies since his first posts... broken fingers, tactics, Not voting scum seriousness, etc, etc. I disagree.
Replacements only come in with an objective read if they read the gameDid you miss the part where I say "unless they're scum"? No, I don't defend myself. I say that usually replacements are helpful for town because they're more objective.
SC said you were scared, and in the process of saying he was wrong, you said youElaborate. I don't understand.
Another point already covered by other people.Do you know what that FoS is for? For saying "smart mislynch". Serious dude...
PFFFTTT!!No, this reads as "How come you want to hammer when I haven't even been able to post".
And guess what I said. OH YEAH, that I was going to post AS SOON AS I HAD MORE TIME. The expression of suspicion is irrelevent. That is just the way I do things.Have I? I wrote as soon as I could and in no way called anyone scum for sure as you did. I also stated a preview of my suspicions. You just called me scum and told me to deal with it because you didn't know what to say.
You gave a "whole case" on EVERYONE VOTING FIRESTARTER. That is not a case. That is a shitstorm.What are those crap reasons in your opinion? You thought SC was scum for one supposed slip. And I give a whole case and you call it crap?
What do you expect me to do? Go through all fo your reasoning on other people and cut it down? Hell no. I provided my view. Unless you can prove that your random flailing had a purpose other than what I proposed, then that view will not change.You're saying nothing here. You're just tossing accusations dude. If you say something explain why... I could just go with...
I provided a reason for my vote on SC, and provided reasoning as to why that was scummy. I do not....*sigh*. I just thought you didn't have a case on him to call him scum. You just said he was scum (and looked very positive) or one phrase he had said. That was not a good case. If I vote for SC is because I find him probably scummy. But if someone jumps on his waggon for no reason I will be highly suspicious.
I don't care. It is an irrefutable fact that no one who is under suspicion actually agrees with the cases made against them.It's better than before. But if you look at my answers you'll see that I'm not satisfied at all.
Thank you captain obvious. I only stated that I think SC is town like 4 times in that post. Also, I'm not covering my ass. There is no other conceivable lynch that will happen today, and any lynch>No Lynch.Is this necessary? Or are you covering your ass? So you don't think SC is scum anymore?
Yes. I do. Neglecting the fact that this is WIFOM (I do not consider WIFOM to be bad either way), the fact that you must act incredulous instead of actually defending yourself does nothing to assuage my suspicions.Do really think I, as scum, would try to defend a practically condemned partner? Wouldn't that be a giveaway?
You are scummy independantly of Firestarter. Therefore, you are scummy regardless of his flip. Hence why I would prefer to lynch you over him.And what if Fire flips town? Are you gonna accuse me of buddying? because that's what I'm predicting
If there is other convincing information, then no shit I will look at other people. Not doing that would be absolutely idiotic.Regardless of any info we may get? good. Really pro town.
I did tell you that. Several times actually.I was trying to meta you on other games you replaced into to see if you're naturally agressive or conveniently agressive but apparently it's just you.
You only think its a bad case because it's against you.Anyway in Mini 716: El Puma you gave far better cases than here although you were quick to call half the people in the game scum.
I have a brilliant idea. How about you admit you're scum and we can move on.I don't know what to do with you, seriously...
Strawman. Your defense of Firestarter is not even close to the only point in my case. You are extremely scummy regardless of Firestarter's flip.Look, you're saying that if fire is scum then me defending him is scummy but then say that I'm scummy independently?
Bullshit. I have given reasons for these so-called "contradictions."It's a mess of contradictions since you first posted
Because DEADLINE IS TOMORROW! There is no chance that I can shift the wagon to you by tomorrow, as if evidenced by the fact that no one besides me has said they want to be voting you over Fire right now. Therefore, since any lynch>a No Lynch, you get my vote.If fire seems townier than me... Why not vote me instead of fire?
Let's analyze this little piece of WIFOM. If the person who hammers is scum, then they will have all of one person suspicious of them going into D2. That isn't all that worrying, and probably won't make you high on their kill priority list. However, if the hammerer is town, then the scum could frame said hammerer by killing you, and then bringing this up D2. Mob mentality could possibly kick in, and suddenly there's a wagon on the hammer vote because you died. Second scenerio is much more likely than first.About my threat being stupid... I disagree. If someone hammers and then I'm dead you will have something to work with... Why did they kill me?
If I say that I agree with something that has already been mentioned, then that means I AGREE with them, and have nothing more to add.Wich doesn't mean anything because those people could be either scum or just wrong. And what's important here is if YOU think is BS and why.
That I need to go back and reevaluate SC.And if you actually lynch me and realize Im town what will that indicate?
Same as above except it would also push my read of Fire back to where it was when I started.And if I was lynched before fire? what would THAT indicate?
I don't see myself actually ignoring the case altogether, don't worry about that. However, better cases always take precedence with me.While I don't mind that you can prefer to wait posting your case on SC (If you go by the same logic of Kor and Battou) I don't see why you think you should wipe all suspicion to the point that your case will be foregone altogether.
Go take a look at Mini Normal: Super F11 (dunno number), Newbie 750, and Open 124: Bugs Bunny. He's gotten much better since those games.Not any finished games I can't comment on. I haven't liked his playstyle at all but I have town read on him, there's a lot of reasons why in my first posts. I just think it's a pity that he has fallen behind in this game.
Except that you know who you are replacing, and any comments about this person will skew your objectivity. Trust me, there has been at least one thread in Mafia Discussion on this topic. If you were following the game before you requested to replace then you would have this edge you talk about, but this is not the case. Can we drop this bit?I don't agree. Replacement is notified that he is allowed to join. Replacement starts reading totally free of the emotions of the moment. Therefore, a town replacement has IMO a slight advantage as to finding scum. If you say that I got emotional with SC's Fos you may be right in a way but it was definetly after I already suspected him and had a good read of half the game.
Not what I am saying. Strangercoug said that you looked afraid regarding the Fire lynch, and while you were saying that he was wrong (i.e. that you were not afraid) you said that you feared a Fire lynch, which is EXACTLY what you were trying to deny.You pretend that if fire is scum then I am scum because me being afraid can only be possible if I'm scum and don't want my scumbuddy lynched.
I don't care what you expect of me. I will play the way I want to, and I will not change it because you don't like it. Your point has been addressed already by other people. Go look up what they said because I'm not going to rehash a point uselessly.What did they say? If you say something against me I expect that you try to be clear. Not vaguely say that other people have answered this. I'm asking you.
You repeated a previous point, which I had already addressed. I'm not gonna get into a "no,If you dismiss my thoughts like that you're not being pro-town.
Of course I'm "set." I'm always "set." Attitude is a big part of the mind-game that it Mafia, and acting totally convinced at all times is quite effective at outing jumpy scum.In fact, you look pretty set. I'm wondering if it is because I repeatedly demanded that you state your case and you got pissed.
You are currently shining strong and bright on my scumdar. until someone takes your place I will push and prod and pressure you until you break, like you are showing signs of doing right now with your "oh, you shouldn't only attack me. You should spread out your suspicion so that I don't get so worried about your attacks."If that's the case I would urge you to reconsider and try to investigate all players because you may just be running down the tunnel-vission road.
It is evident by the beginning of your post that you already did, and found out I was telling the truth.Ok. I'm checking this in your meta. I just didn't like it one bit.
Well then your "main case" was hidden amongst attacks on everyone else on the Fire wagon. Are you trying to say that there are 6 scum in this game? If not, then the attacks were excessive and only served to muddy the waters and possibly provide you-scum with a springboard later in the game to pull one of them back up if one of the people you attacked gets wagoned.Wrong. I posted my notes (in a rush due to Battou's L-1) on why I thought Fire's vote was wrong and that it was probably scum driven. My main case was on SC.
Yes you can, and you have been. As I mentioned above. Mafia is a mind game. My attitude elicits reactions that are just as helpful as the reactions and responses to my words.No... But you're just calling my cases crap in general, and that I'm a hypocryte, and my posts are bullshit... I can't answer to that.
You would also be wrong.I could also just say that you don't make sense and vote crappyly but I wouldn't be explaining anythhing and it wouldn't be enough.
All that means is that you haven't figured out how to use responses gathered that way to their fullest.And what's more, I wouldn't get a useful answer from you (to determin your alignment).
Yes. That is exactly what I said.YOU CALLED MY CASE CRAP! And you say Im not the Grand Arbiter of Votes?
Yes I am.Well... neither are you.
I already told you, because I'm the Grand Arbiter of Votes. You're fun to screw around with.What gives YOU the right to call my case crap without even explaining?
Considering that you have not defended well againstWrong. I can see where someone makes valid points. For example millar's point about me writing everyone instead of just 2 is valid. I usually generalize and say everyone too much but it was a good point anyway. Your points are not like that.
Yup.You mean Fire?
He is more likely town than scum in my eyes, but there is always the chance that I am wrong, and No Lynching would not give us even that possibility.You said fire was town... anyway... You rather lynch a town player than no lynch
Every vote counts in getting a lynch. If people start to unvote, then it is possible that my vote could be the only one pushing a lynch through. This is my mentality, and is why I am always voting at the end of a Day, usually for the person being lynched.but do you really think there's gonna be a no lynch if you vote me instead of Fire when you think fire is probably town and I probably scum?
And you would also be able to pull this exact same card out in your defense. My point stands.Following your thoughts I'd have to be really stupid because when they finally lynched Fire (As it looks like is gonna happen) I would be under obvious scrutiny...
I doubt that. Late bussing is noticed more often than not, and you would have this card to pull if he was lynched as scum and you defended him.If I were scum I would rather buss him to shove of suspicion from myself
Your "defense" is acting incredulous that we would suspect you of doing something like this. It is not true defense.Am I not defending myself?
You could try that. Or you could try providing logical reasons for why you would freak out at a potential lynch, and then attack literally everyone on the wagon. (Hint: There is no good reason why someone would do that as town).How am I supposed to defend in your opinion? Insult you and say your case is crap or what?
Yes, with the added condition that deadline is so close so voting you would be wasting my vote, whereas voting him is useful.But, unfortunately you think that I'm scum therefore he is scum so you vote him? Why not vote me in that case? Just because his waggon is bigger?
Sure, why not.Can you give us a similar list to the one I assembled about what you think about the players in the game? (Fire, SC, me, Battou, Kor, etc)
QFTAnd where's everyone else?
So you've realized that you're scum and doomed to die?this post discussion with kayr is boring and demoralizing me
Another QFTWhere are the replacements?
That is not what I said at all. I determined that, based on alexhans' reactions, I believe him to be town. It has nothing to do with the validity of either case, and everything to do with his reactions to the statements I made that provided nothing in the line of a case, but everything in the line of pressure. That he dropped the issue says nothing about him, because he did not call me scummy at any point. He was on the defensive, not on a counterattack.Battousai wrote:Weird.
Kairyuu says something along the lines of "town would react to a crap case against them with a sense of saying the person is confused town and not scum pushing a crap case." Then when Alexhans hears this, he completely drops the issue with Kairyuu and says something along the lines of "Kairyuu is the kind of person who would try that." And then he drops the subject all together.
I was not acting scummy to get reactions. Hell, I wasn't acting scummy at all. I was providing hyperaggressive pressure in order to determine his alignment. This is what I do.Battousai wrote:1) scum points for Kairyuu. Trying to act scummy to get reactions is scum defence for making a mistake.
This is totally speculation, and there is absolutely no point in bringing it up if your decision is that it's null anyway.Battousai wrote:2) I would say if I thought someone was pushing a crap case against me, I wouldn't be calling them confused town, I would be calling them suspicious, and then vote them depending on how long they push it. Actually, I think I would call them confused town, but only if I knew they were town and I wanted them to ease off of the attacks on me. But this is all WIFOM, so null points to Alexhans.
Note that he never once called me scummy while I was attacking him. If he would have changed his stance as soon as I dropped the case,Battousai wrote:3) If someone pushed a crap case against me, and then say "I was just trying to get a reaction!" I wouldn't excuse them and drop the subject. I would pursue them further, put them on the defensive for their supposed gambit. Alexhans gets scum points for just dropping it.
. . . I'm not a cop. I never claimed to be. Hell, I never claimed to have a Night Action. Sajin is just drawing conclusions out of thin air because he has no real suspects. Meta (unbackable, because the game is ongoing) says he's town though.madeofphail wrote:First off: where the hell did you get the idea to doubt that kairyuu was a cop? The scum could have just as easily left him alive so that this would be peoples first conclusion, and cause the mislynch of a power role. I've seen it hapen before. His being alive is a nulltell IMO. Whats not to say there is more than one cop?Sajin wrote:1-I find people who overly agresive counterattack scummy.
2- You demonstrated this.
You can disagree with 1 all you want, its my opinion through experiences. 2, you clearly demonstrated.However, its not enough to vote you, my vote was for informational purposes.
Today, since I now doubt he is a cop,vote kairyuu
You were far to anxious yesterday. Therefore I doubt your any sort of protective role, that leaves investigation and scum. With a cop dead, I am fairly certain your the latter.
second off, to pay attention to the underlined section....that confuses me, care to explain?
How many times do I have to tell you that I did not breadcrumb anything before it will penetrate your skull? I told you quite clearly why I was getting bored waiting for Night, and others have also shot down your craplogic. How many people need to disagree with you before you listen to reason?Sajin wrote:SCs meta from what I have gathered from previous games is to counter attack attackers when he is scum. He was not paying me any attention until I voted him with little to no case. It sure got a rise though. That was the goal take it or leave it.
I still doubt kairyuu is a cop. He left way too obvious of a breadcrumb for that. I do not think he has any PR. Bad play on his part in any case.
Do you have any comments on anything from day 1, madeofphail?
Situation A:if you confirming is a pip towards my claim being honest, why hide it? What is it that makes you so deadset that I am scum?
In a game of this size I find it highly unlikely that we would get duplicate roles, or at least, that we would get duplicate roles with the same alignment, especially since we already know based on a cop flip, a governor claim, and 2 tracker claims that there is a pretty high power role density even disregarding your claim.Also, your logic dictates either made or I is lying, and does NOT take into the account that maybe both of us are telling the truth (which I find to be likely, since I DO agree with you that I don't think made is making his information up).
No. I'm being purely logical at the moment. I do act very narrow minded at times, but this is not one of them.You're being narrow minded.
I suggested my choice. If you dislike it, then propose your own.The town's top suspect, not yours.
Who has suspected me? Battousai suggested me because that's "how it works," not because he found me suspicious.And it's kinda a stretch to say the town doesn't suspect you when the suggested first claim count is one for SC and one for you. Technically you're tied for most suspicious.
That's complete crap. Show me where I did that. I repeat, I proposed SC as my suggestion, and then disagreed with Battousai's selection method. I have no problem going first, but I would rather have SC be the one, since I think him likely scum.No, you tried to counter someone else's suggestion and subtly tried to replace that suggestion with your own.
Do you even have any idea what you're arguing? I'm not arguing semantics, as much as I would like to. We have two different situations here.So? Now you're arguing semantics. I'm arguing numbers. You and Sc are tied for the first to claim, you said the first to claim is the most suspicious so thusly you are tied for most suspicious. What part of this are you failing to understand. I'd spell it out but spelling numbers takes too damn long.
Huh? So because the scum roleblocker targetted me N1 I must be the SK? What have you been smoking and where can I get some?Well I was about to post how I think kairyuu is absolutely clear, but he could easily be an SK now that I think about it. He was roleblocked night 1 as evidenced by madeofphail. 1 kill night 1. There were 3 kills night 2, vig, mafia and other. And I think its quite clear he has some sort of night action.
He is not in mafia group though. Could still be scum.
vote Kairyuu
Name claim now. Possibly role after.
Umm. Can you explain the kill flavor "Magicked" as applied to either of those characters? I did a bit of reading on my role name, and it appears that I was the one to create the drug that go used on Conan, but then tried to commit suicide by using the drug herself, which merely shrunk her. She then helped with the creation of the antidote after escaping from the Black Organization. The other person I know nothing of, except for the quick bit that it's my role's sister, and that she's dead that I just found on google.Kairyuu: You don't have to be the SK, but it is one way to interpret last night's kill and the lack of one N1. Also, Shiho Miyano sounds like a safeclaim for Akemi Miyano (which would be a decent pick for SK).
1. That is not what I said. I said I was not seeing any references to magic in my actual role or the role you claim I'm faking to hide.Umm, if you feel there are no characters that have a reference ot magic, why would I need explain the flavor magicked to ANY role? Personally, I see magic as a drug since the magicians in the games are just that, magicians. Magician magic can't kill you and leave no apparent cause, where as real magic and drugs, do. If you used a fakeclaim and your real claim is Akemi, then it is possible that you used a drug on alexhans that killed him
The words in the middle provided the context. I was making the point that I didn't see how either of the characters you think I might be would use the kill flavor that killed alexhans.1. You said those exact words, I just took words out of the middle. I then referenced the two roles (the one you claim and the possible safeclaim of Akemi).
You missed the second bit. Why would either of the characters use drugs to kill, especially Akemi, who I couldn't even find any real info on other than that she died?2. As I already said, I don't think any character can do magic, and thus drugged would be the best bet.
I actually found some info on wikipedia, and there are two character's under the label Magic Kaito Characters. Since the flavor from the N2 kills show alexhans as being Kaito, the only other one left would be Saguro Hakuba. I figured that this would be a dead end too, since on the front page it said that Isacc was Richard Moore/Saguro Hakuba, but then when I looked at the kill flavor, I noticed that it was a picture of Hakuba that was found on Isacc's body. Also, the mod's flavor after that was interesting:3. What roles would use magic then? As you said, you found none. Therefore there has to be 1 or there is none and drugged is a good substitute.
This implies, at least to me, that Saguro Hakuba is probably in the game, and, if so, is probably scum, likely SK.The oddest thing, though, was the picture of Saguro Hakuba he had on him. What he could want with Hakuba, though, one can only speculate...
How am I getting defensive? Your reasoning doesn't make much sense to me, so I'm attempting to either understand it or debunk it.4. You are getting pretty defensive here about nothing. I was just making talk while waiting for the millar to post. Notice how I never FoS'd you or voted you. All I basically said was that Sajin's theory is possible and since you roleclaimed I gave an opinion on what COULD be not IS or MOST LIKELY or whatever it is that is making you so defensive.
I wasn't subtle about it at all. I was directly stating "I think SC should start." Of course, it's pretty moot now that both he and I have fullclaimed, but still. There was no manipulation involved. I did it right out in the open.You try to couter his suggestion by saying "massclaims generally start with blah blah blah" infering a preceding line of what is a "common norm" and "acceptable" way to do this. You then took what you said "It starts with the most suspected" and followed up with "all my top suspects are dead except for SC" which subtely puts your suggestion into your counter of Bat's
I'm bored. I argue when I'm bored. It makes things entertaining.All in all a pretty worthless point that I only brought up for lack of other things to say but I must say I like how far you've taken it!
Also calling my stuff crap isn't going to make it go away. Unlike most people, I've proven my crap works a good portion of the time... ok sometimes... every now and then... >.>
Cool.Again, another semi stupid point and one I can honestly see why you would be confused about it. I don't see any real info coming from the continual arguing over it so I'm willing to concede you the victory and move on to the massclaim which is far more interesting then you right now anyways.
If I'm Mafia, I'm the biggest teamkilling fucktard in the world, because I supported the LF lynch the whole time, to the point of helping to convince alexhans not to use his governor ability, and then it was my idea for phail to take a potshot at IVS. So unless I'm gutsy enough to take down both of my teammates in one Day/Night cycle (hint: I'm not. I play very conservatively as scum) then I doubt I'm Mafia.You could just as easily be mafia. However Sk fit's better as the kill flavor sounded like mafia N1... at least I think. I should read it again.
The only problem with that theory is that alexhans was Kaito, and alexhans was the one killed by the Magicked flavor.I still think the phantom thief is the best chance or SK due to him being the most Sk like in the anime AND that the term "magical" could apply to him. Technically the term "magical" could apply to the drug as well but the mod made it clear the magic kill was not from the mafia and so I find it hard to believe the SK would control the drug.
And then I did more research, and found this shiny little thing labeled "Magic Kaito Characters."You also said you didn't see any character that would use magic, thus expecting me to tell you how ANY character would use magic is trying to defend yourself from the kill because of magic (something every character could do).
WIFOM is not an explanation for anything. Don't be lazy. Analyze this "WIFOM." Which of the scenerios is more likely? Calling it WIFOM and discarding it is a cop out.A) WIFOM B) If your scum, it doesn't matter if you called him the freaking pope.
Did she escape with the money? If I recall, she got shot before she could get away. Also, drugs =/= magic. Is that really so hard to understand? Are you trying to say that Gorrad would put Magicked as a kill flavor instead of Drugged if the victim was drugged?I bet with a billion yen you could get some good drugs, that and her sister was a chemist. Could have stole it like the money. Any of those possible? I think so.
The kill flavor is irrelevent to my point. Having the picture on him implies that he, a cop, was investigating the person in the picture. My conclusion from that is that Saguro Hakuba is in the game and scum.If so, then how come there was no magic on the body, you left out that Issac died by being shot, like madeofphail.
At this point I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing. Your theories don't make sense, and I am therefore now trying to convince you that you are wrong.You started getting defensive when I said your role could be a safeclaim. There is nothing to debunk there or nothing to defend against, yet you found a way to turn it up a notch.
Nameclaims are now done. Roleclaim time. Gogogogogogo.I like nameclaims first, then roleclaims. If scum goes first, it increases the chance to be outted (usually scum would pick a minor role in the theme to avoid a counter).
I'm not at all against outing roles. In fact, I want to out all of them. However, a forced massclaim has the increased likelyhood of outing scum in the process. Keep in mind, massclaim was my idea.Don't you see though, there are six people left. If two of them are scum, are we two more townies die tonight. Scum effectively wins. If you can think up anything that is more useful at tracking scum tell me, unless you are scum and therefore don't like the idea. Outting power roles, is vital during this stage in the game.
That would actually make sense. It would also imply that there is some sort of redirector. I wouldn't be surprised if alexhans JoaT powers included a vig. However, that would leave us with a living scum.There's always Toichi Kuroba but I suppose that's a little bit of a stretch for Case Closed mafia... hmmm...
Alright a quick search of Magic and Case closed together brings up a lot more stuff then I thought it would... Most of them revolving around the phantom thief kid. I suppose it is possible he was the cause of his own death...
No contradiction. Nameclaims are worthless, but people seem to be dead set on them. Now that we have that tedious little thing done, we can get to the fullclaims.Am I the only one seeing a little bit of contradicting statements here... You say nameclaims tell us nothing but then tell Miller and Bat to get to nameclaiming...
I will consider that a challenge.I still think theres a chance to find the scum through that and not waste whatlittle secrecy we have on a massclaim to help Kair's record books. Besides, i'd love to brak it first on less and never let him live it down.
Well duh. Why do you thing I said "At the time when this first became posted, I believe you didn't say anything about Magic Kaito Characters (which are magicians who use tricks. I'm pretty sure none of them uses real 'magic').
People alive who have called me scummy:Killing someone who hasn't called you scummy and using it as an excuse later.
He was a pro-scum power role. Governors, statistically speaking, hurt the town's chances if they use their power. If I was scum, keeping him alive could have given me an extra Day if I got lynched and he was still alive.Also, Alexhans was a powerrole, scum might have wanted all powerroles dead.
This is actually a valid point, but the cons of killing him far outweigh this one pro, since it isn't lylo yet.A dead Alexhans could also be attributed to framing SC, as you already pointed out when you voted him in the very first post of the day.
I still say this makes no sense at all.Do not know. Possible there was traces of 'real' magic in the drug, and I'm saying magician =/= 'real' magic (which can kill people). I haven't read up on Gorrand so anything is possible. Gorrad said the body was in perfect health, which could be attributed to drugs.
Since that's the way I play. I like to argue, and then analyze people's reactions to the argument I am embroiled in. Sometimes the argument is just a stupid one like this. Either way, it helps me build reads.Since when is arguing just to argue a good thing?
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Well, I figure when millar flips scum (when, not if) I'll have a second reference to point to.This isn't that game and Miller isn't Empking. It takes more then one example to prove positive a point. Some people are actually idiots and do stupid things. That would be like me using a game in which a palyer used a game to call someone scum and ended up being sum themselves to call you scum. What good is someone else's meta when pushing a vote on Miller? Seriously? Can I SC's meta to lynch Bat? See now I want to try that... *looks at Bat* Hmmm... You play an awful lot differently then SC did when he was town...