Mini 746: Speed Dating - I've Had The Time Of My Life (Over)

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Sorry, it took me a while to find this thread.
And sorry for the following...
(I will be away for three days in the coming week as my family and I are visiting my grandmother - Right now it looks like I will be away Monday morning to Wednesday evening but that can change - Sorry if this causes any problems.)

To answer the countess, I make a fair living... you wouldn't just be interested in me for my money now would you?....

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_~ Nightfall has returned and is catching up - please be patient ~_

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I think it's almost safe to say that I'm a little bit more confused now then I was before catching up....

So we have a player he wrongly thought he was lynched and partially claimed...
(oddly this happened in two of my games while I was away)

While I believe that Zwet's (Mrs.) post could be a typo I'm not sure how strongly I believe it.
While I myself often mess up in day to day use of mrs and miss (which would lead me to believe that it very well could have been a typo/error), if I was to claim like Zwet's did I would have first looked at my role pm and taken my name directly from there (leading me to believe slightly more that it could have been a scum slip and not an error).

Turning to those who are voting Zwets, although I think it is very possible (if Zwet's isn't scum himself) that at least one of our scum is on his wagon, there are also likely many protown members too. If I had been here I might have been one of them... I'm not sure what to do with my vote right now to be honest...
The lynching of a player and his/her fellow table partner really puts an interesting twist on this game...

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Actually, BSG would have been hammer...

Sorry, if this is really obvious, but how is that?

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We win if we're lynched and the other person in our table isn't married, right?

Something else you aren't telling us?

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I took Zwets Jester post as a joke. At the same time before people jump on Jebus, you/he was already voting Zwets before the Jester post.

What I want to know Zwets is was what you wrote in post 183 written in all seriousness or was that a joke too?

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Just so it/I'm clear. If we choose to do nothing for now, who will be the next one to sit with Zwets?

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Pre-Game

I don't think I said this in the rules but:
Each hour is precisely three weeks if no lynch is reached during this time the lovers move one place. There is no action stage inbetween this stage.
If a lynch is reached within the hour an action stage will take place.

Max says we move one place, but I don't see where it says which way.

Ie. does someone at table 2 go to table 1 or table 3?

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Well if we do decide that we are lynching you Zwets, if we don't do it with your current partner, I'd like to know what our next alternative is. The more info the better.

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By the way, I meant you move place, it might not be by one space that's an error in the rules.

So we could end up sitting with anyone of the other gender when seats change?

... Well then...

...wait, just checking something else, there isn't any night actions until we actually lynch someone is there?

Pre-Game

I don't think I said this in the rules but:
Each hour is precisely three weeks if no lynch is reached during this time the lovers move one place. There is no action stage inbetween this stage.
If a lynch is reached within the hour an action stage will take place.

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...So, could we, in theory, sit on our asses until Zwets is paired up with someone else we want to lynch, without ever having to go through the equivalent of a night stage?


(Assuming we want to lynch Zwets of course )

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-_^ I'm sorry?

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MOD:

...So, could we, in theory, sit on our asses until Zwets is paired up with someone else we want to lynch, without ever having to go through the equivalent of a night stage?


(Assuming we want to lynch Zwets of course )

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You all are neglecting the possibility that this game might have no doc.

-_-'

I'm ok with lynching Zwets, I'm not sure who should go with him, but I don't think it should be a (semi) claimed doc.

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There are other roles that can have PhD's, you know.

Which is why I wrote semi, but still, not worth the risk right now in my eyes.

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Roffman's posts make sense but I'm still hesitant to vote for a table seating a questionable doc.
Then again KMD and his posts push me slightly the other way.
Actually one of KMD's most recent posts is pushing me a bit more towards voting for Zwets' table.

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Then again you're acting like wishy-washy undecided scum.

Then again, if I was to vote you now, it would be seen as a grudge vote.
Town can be undecided to you know

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So Zwet, you've just chosen to be lynched in the name of laziness?

That and the chance that EGL might be scum it seems.

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To me that looks like flavour... He was a doctor but not a doctor "role"

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* wonders who he will be sitting with next *

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I'm still sitting with the Countess?... I'd like to meet other people too -_-'

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Yes KMD has contributed a lot, but I'm not so sure he's exchange with Caboose in
post 333 is that pro town looking. I don't see how it would have hurt to ask EGL to
confirm his role with the mod, especially since you/KMD already made it clear that
you didn't think he was what he was claiming to be.

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Soon after Jebus shows up, zwet's "slip" occurs. Jebus is on the zwet wagon early, by the way. But then, Jebus turns on Kmd...

So why did it come up as a good idea to hammer zwet without even letting him say very much in defense?

And how the hell did we get to hammertime so quickly?

This comes after Kmd's "hammer." Jebus doesn't waste anytime flinging the bullcrap at Kmd for hammering someone that Jebus knows will flip town.
+scumpoints for Jebus

Caboose, Although I agree with almost all of your post, I don't think that
we can say for certain regarding the first point that Jebus "knew" Zwets
would turn out to be town.

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Yes KMD has contributed a lot, but I'm not so sure he's exchange with Caboose in
post 333 is that pro town looking. I don't see how it would have hurt to ask EGL to
confirm his role with the mod, especially since you/KMD already made it clear that
you didn't think he was what he was claiming to be.

Because by doing so, I'd be basically claiming. I didn't want to do that.

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something here, which could be a real possibility, but didn't you say it was just for flavour in your situation and NOT your actual role? Couldn't you have said that certain flavour in your role pm lead you to believe that you were a role you werent and it would be a good idea for EGL to inguire about the same thing? You wouldn't have had to point out that your info was also PHD related.

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It wasn't well reasoned enough for me to be on board, so I'm not letting him off the hook.

Maybe that's a negative point against you then...

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Reread and I take back my last post.
I wanted to lynch Zwets too as stated, wanted to wait to lynch as I didn't
want to loose a potential doc. For some reason I thought you had a different arguement.

Sorry.

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I suggest we start looking at those who were in on the vote, especially towards the end, and those who might be behaving suspiciously(ie defending the vote).

There's a difference between something being a "towntell" and being "cleared". If you want to think I'm scum that's up to you, but for myself I'm going to suggest we look heavily at voting records and suggest to others to do the same.

While I agree with these two posts, we have to remember that Zwets' was acting scummy, like usual, and KMD voiced his opinion that he had doubts that EGL was a doc. So there were reasons given to vote both players. Like you said in your first of these two posts I think we should look at those who suspiciously defended their vote, but not black list everyone that voted. I would have maybe voted too had KMD been more convincing. Missreading of flavour is something I still think could have been solved prelynch.

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KMD I can agree with your read on the count in 392,
but want to ask when you ranked Jebus in that post did
you take into account his back peddling after the lynch?
(Which happened before the lynched players' roles were revealed).

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I was just curious as you were the one who originally called him on it.

Unvoting Zwet was a waste of my time.

vote: zwet

So Zwet, you've just chosen to be lynched in the name of laziness?

What a waste of a lynch, imo.

Why the backpedaling AFTER the lynch has already happened?

To answer your question, early on I found Jebus scummy, and (as I believe I pointed out earlier) he started to act more town like as day one went on. But, I do think his back peddling was kind of scummy. I found it a little off that you didn't address it in your list.

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So by your logic we should throw voting records completely out the window, huh?

Yes.

Voting records doesn't clear nor condemn anybody. It has little to do with the vote itself and everything to do with how and when the vote is cast.

You're saying the who and the why don't mater to you?

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Posting to keep the thread going....
KMD is still #1 for my vote because I don't think he should have held off on the "it's flavour not a role" topic until after the lynch. But I don't want that alone to be what he's lynched for... We need more convo but with the switching of players we're stalling bad...

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DGB you just claimed my role. I'm the Miller NK Immune Cop. I also can kill at any time, so if I were scum, I'd have won by now.

I wish my claim wasn't a joke.

Say what?

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Wait, you're saying you had two investigation attempts night one?

Do you know who the no result was on?

Mod: could we get a vote count?

I'm very close to adding my vote to the list but I don't want to hammer.
Not yet at least. I want to hear a few more answers first.

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Is it possible that we have a Jester type role?
And by DGB's list I seem to be both town and scum... :S

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Mod: Vote count please

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Because I find it odd how she seems dead set on us lynching her?
You weren't voting her either until just a little while ago.
I just don't see why she'd act so obviously scummy.

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You weren't voting her either until just a little while ago.

Yeah, the DGB claim is pure excrement.

Vote: DGB

I voted her after I realized her claim was BS, which was yesterday. I think everyone who posted today on should be aware of that fact.

Sorry about not back checking your voting history but I didn't think you'd VOTE for her a 2nd time.

I just don't see why she'd act so obviously scummy.

She'll come back and say, "X voted me right away. Y bandwagoned. Z defended. A did this. B did that. The scum are this, this, and that and we need to lynch them now.

Watch.

That's what I'm thinking.
.....
I'm going to vote now too actually.

Vote:DGB

-I'm curious to see what DGB will say
-How caboose will react
-And whether the count will say anything at all.

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Wow... yeah... my Jester post doesn't seem so stupid now does it -_-'

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Regardless of how the Count flips I was right about DGB.

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Hey look, it's people

Are Jebus and the Countess still around?

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Now we really need to do this re-read, and to stop myself from putting if off any longer, I'll do it now.
Let's go from maybe Page 22, although a lot of this will be hampered by DGB.

She'll come back and say, "X voted me right away. Y bandwagoned. Z defended. A did this. B did that. The scum are this, this, and that and we need to lynch them now.

Watch.

That's what I'm thinking.
.....
I'm going to vote now too actually.
Vote:DGB
-I'm curious to see what DGB will say
-How caboose will react
-And whether the count will say anything at all.

Seems to be a bit of a contradiction there? Nightfall agreeing with Kmd that she might be scum, but going ahead to vote anyway?
Indeed, this was (I believe) the hammer vote. Strange, don't you think?

Wow... yeah... my Jester post doesn't seem so stupid now does it -_-'

Don't really like this either. Just seems as though he didn't really want to vote, and is now saying 'I told you so' to us.

And.. strangely enough.. that's all I can find of any value in these pages - either that, or I'm not reading properly.
So, for now,

Vote: Nightfall

I thought I made it clear that I wasn't sure if DGB was scum or not but would add my vote because of how she was acting. I also wanted to get to her reaction of how people acted (As KMD thought there would be), and I wanted to see what some others would say too. I think DGB hammered herself BTW. And that second post of mine WAS somewhat of an I told you so post. I had said that she seemed a bit too eager to be lynched, and received a fair bit of heat from Caboose for it. I made that post to point out that maybe he shouldn't have been so quick to judge me...

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Ok I'm done reading. I'll return later with who I think is scum.

In the case of DGB I agree with KMD about her meta. She can act scummy on purpose to manipulate the game and cause confusion.

I understand the position of the people that voted for her because a jester is not considered a normal role and should not fall into the category of things we need to be worried about unless a jester possibility is stated explicitly in the OP (it wasn't was it? I don't see it there now).

It wasn't posted in the OP (Not that I know of at least).
Caboose found this later on though.

Oh, crap.

Speed Dating Mafia

Ah, it's Valentine's day, you see a lonely woman reading her copy of a 'Mills and Boon', you thank god that at least you have the looks to get you a date. Even if it is by speed-dating...

12 Hours Later
You arrive at the speed dating centre, you learn that several people there are already married, you don't know which but you remember seeing their "Million Pound Wedding" in the news paper. This means that you'll have to dismiss table by table, as they find true love or a good shag

Town Win Condition: You win if you leave with another town person and the people who are cheating on their lovers leave without love

Mafia Win Condition: You win if you leave with a towns person you lose if you leave with another mafia member or leave without love

Possible Third Party Win Condition: You are destined to be with X if they leave without you you commit suicide. If they leave with you, you will get married have 3 children, buy a house when the market recovers. Well you win.

Another Possible Win Condition: You feel sorry for these people, so much so you think they all deserve to die. You win if every table but the one your on dies.

I hope it isn't DGB's win con to leave with the Count.

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I thought it was pretty clear that the "fake claim" was a joke.

Monkey - If you read this could you confirm that you are still around.

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How long should I wait for a claim to come from either of them?

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*groan*

So, what now?

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If Caboose ends up needing to be replaced too, are people more of the mindset to wait for replacements or are they confident enough that we should complete the lynch?

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Is that lynch?
Either way it seems like everyone is behind this lynch.
so,

Vote:Monkey

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I'm up for it.
How should we decide the order?

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I'm

Mr. Thomson

. I know what makes things tick... except for women that is.
Same win conditions as Jahudo.
No power here either.

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1 - don_johnson
2 - molestargazer
3 - The Countess
4 - Kmd4390

Original Roll String: 1d4

1 4-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

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I'm sorry, DCI?

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The Countess - Do you have an actual name?

I'm pretty sure I will have another question to ask you shortly but first I have to locate a post *groan*

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Just realized we have to wait for mole....ster

I located the post I was looking for but I'll wait for Mole to claim first as well.

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Mole... What is your win condition(s)?

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Not sure I believe molest.

i have to agree. it sounds awfully convenient.

Took the words right out of my mouth.
I'm sitting with her right now though... *Tear*

Right now I'd be tempted to ask for a seat change, and put an FOS on a Mole and Countess table.

We never did learn what the count's role was did we? last I checked even after his parting his role was listed as ????

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I'd say if we have to choose a male, Molest can check Nightfall.

LOL,
Of course you do.
You wouldn't pick yourself would you?

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Ok, here's a plan.

If everyone agrees (aka don't do this yet), molest (nice avatar) can check The Countess's win condition as true or false.

If it comes up false, we lynch The Countess with someone who just needs the married people to leave regardless of whether it's with them or not. If The Countess flips town, Molest is scum. If not, we figure out what to do with Molest later.

If it comes up true, we lynch Molest with the same conditions on a pair. If Molest is town, The Countess is confirmed. If not, we figure out what to do with The Countess tomorrow.

Sound good?

There's faulty logic here too. If Mole is scum, he should know who else is scum. If we ask (scum) mole to investigate a towny, he could could lie to us if the pair is town and win the game if we lynch them. If he betrays his partner and tells us someone is scum, he will look better in our eyes and likely make it till the end of the game on that one action still winning it for his team...

If Mole is town, then that's a whole nother story... but I'm not sure how much faith I have in that...

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*supports the plan*

p.s. Why Is everyone's ava's suddenly Ipod styled? -_-'

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The count did have his role info hidden even in death....um, parting...

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How about this. We wait until Don and Nightfall are at a table together. If they are scum, we'll win. If they aren't, The Countess is probably scum with The Count so the game will continue and we'll lynch The Countess.

Or um, if your wrong we/the town loose.
In your example wouldn't it make more sense for me to sacrifice myself to take out the countess? (ie. A Nightfall/Countess lynch?)

Also I don't mind sacrificing myself for the better good of the town,
but I don't like how (or see why) I'm being singled out as the male to do so

[Nightfall]

-_-'

....So who exactly do you think is actually scum?

And why is it less risky to keep the countess alive?

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-_-'

....So who exactly do you think is actually scum?

And why is it less risky to keep the countess alive?

Either you and Don or The Count and The Countess.

It's less risky because I think if she is scum, The Count was her partner and he's already dead.

So would it not make the most sense (if what you say is true) for you to want to lynch the countess and me? if the countess and count are scum, town wins. If Don and I are scum, your down to one scum like in your example. Instead of going the countess route though you seem pretty set on a Don/Nightfall lynch which makes me feel like your trying to keep the countess around, and makes you seem a bit scummy.

[Nightfall]

Ok.
What if today we go for a nightfall/Countess lynch,
If I come up scum you guys lynch Dom/___?
If I come up town you lynch Kmd/Mole?

[Nightfall]

That's fine too.
I was under the impression that you thought BOTH of us were scum together.
As in if I turned out town, you wouldn't have much of a reason to lynch Don anymore.
Whereas with Mole you have the easy to lie about claim.

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lol.

-A side note. If the countess isn't scum, potentially with the count, can anyone think of a reason the counts info was not revealed in his parting? It's bothering me for some reason...

[Nightfall]

I'm not scum... -_-'

[Nightfall]

I'm not scum... -_-'

Wow, that defense is pretty convincing. I may need to reconsider.

Seriously, are you guys even gonna try?

What else can I/we say against your accusations that we're scum except for no we're not...?

Give me something actually possible to argue against...

i am trying. noone is listening. kmd/countess. i think its the game winner. but, oh well.

If that's the case, you should be ok with lynching Nightfall/The Countess or Kmd/don.[/quote]

That depends on whether he thinks only the Countess or both of you are scum.

I already said I'd be willing to off myself but I'd like to sacrifice myself to take out the countess who I believe is scum

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my statement was in direct response to your statement of town "winning". i am merely pointing out that we all don't win if the hypotheticals set forth are true.

I'm playing to my own win condition. Lynching Nightfall and The Countess today and then me with you tomorrow should achieve that win condition.

Um.... please read KMD's post here please....

KMD claims, if Don is scum and KMD is lynched with him KMD still wins?

We don't need Nightfall's approval if the rest of us agree.

Wasn't it my idea? O_O'


I'm getting more of a desire to lynch you now KMD.
Ref: your flip flopping win condition...

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We're just going in circles here...

Vote: Countess & Kmd4390

Reasons:
* In death the Counts role is listed as "????" leaving me to think he could possibly be one of our scum and would likely mean that the Countess is our other scum.
* KMD's ever changing win condition

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O_O

That's a big change from this:

I'm a little concerned with this considering KMD made a deal about what his role PM said day 1 and he forgot it later on. I know its possible that time passed and stuff happened but it seemed like an area he was focusing on at one point. He said this:

I have a theory, but it's probably best we stop talking about it.

He said this when he wanted to stop the conversation about win conditions and I'm wondering if you remember your theory KMD?

A Countess/KMD lynch is my top choice now. I still like the chances of Countess being scum and I don't see a DJ-Nightfall pair happening.

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Oh i see. You think there could be scum-female from marriage A and scum-female from marriage B, or scum-male from A and scum-male from B.

In that case I don't know how they could know each others identity and we really wouldn't be playing mafia :/

How do you figure?

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Geez, I'm gone for a day because of my grad ceremony and stuff and then I come back to this...

Unovte

Max

could you post a vote count and the current seating arrangement?

Fos: Jahudo

for the "attempted" hammer.

I'm going to go back and reread a few things.

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For the attempted hammer and the flipflopping in who he said he would vote for before the attempted hammer.

Vote:Jahudo

[Nightfall]

If Jahudo's scum, I'll lose. But... I'm going to die anyway. There's a chance I can still win without having to scrap through the rest of today and end up dying anyway.

Could you rephrase that?


And Mole, if you were to flip town who would you want us to look at in your absence?

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And I'm not trying to WIFOM you out here because even if scum-Jahudo were to trick you into lynching 2 townies today, scum-Jahudo would still have a game tomorrow because of the page 1 ruleset:

6 - A lynch requires a 50%+1 (Rounded down) majority vote. A no-lynch requires 50% (Rounded up) of the votes currently in play. If a deadline is reached, no lynch is achieved.

So if we still have 2 scum tomorrow they can't win the game until they make 1 townie pick incorrectly.
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A lynch requires majority vote yes, but unless you know something here that I don't scum usually only have to diminish the towns numbers to even strength with their own. Meaning that in a 2 scum and 2 townie situation, scum would get the victory.

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EBWOP

And I'm not trying to WIFOM you out here because even if scum-Jahudo were to trick you into lynching 2 townies today, scum-Jahudo would still have a game tomorrow because of the page 1 ruleset:

6 - A lynch requires a 50%+1 (Rounded down) majority vote. A no-lynch requires 50% (Rounded up) of the votes currently in play. If a deadline is reached, no lynch is achieved.

So if we still have 2 scum tomorrow they can't win the game until they make 1 townie pick incorrectly.
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A lynch requires majority vote yes, but unless you know something here that I don't scum usually only have to diminish the towns numbers to even strength with their own. Meaning that in a 2 scum and 2 townie situation, scum would get the victory.

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EBWOP ... One final time...

And I'm not trying to WIFOM you out here because even if scum-Jahudo were to trick you into lynching 2 townies today, scum-Jahudo would still have a game tomorrow because of the page 1 ruleset:

6 - A lynch requires a 50%+1 (Rounded down) majority vote. A no-lynch requires 50% (Rounded up) of the votes currently in play. If a deadline is reached, no lynch is achieved.

So if we still have 2 scum tomorrow they can't win the game until they make 1 townie pick incorrectly.

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A lynch requires majority vote yes, but unless you know something here that I don't scum usually only have to diminish the towns numbers to even strength with their own. Meaning that in a 2 scum and 2 townie situation, scum would get the victory.

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When Don claimed that he could be lynched with married people I thought we were gone

It didn't really matter in the end, but I think the lynch on KMD should have gone through...

Good game all