Mini 746: Speed Dating - I've Had The Time Of My Life (Over)
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Ok I'm done reading. I'll return later with who I think is scum.
In the case of DGB I agree with KMD about her meta. She can act scummy on purpose to manipulate the game and cause confusion.
I understand the position of the people that voted for her because a jester is not considered a normal role and should not fall into the category of things we need to be worried about unless a jester possibility is stated explicitly in the OP (it wasn't was it? I don't see it there now).-
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Re: Caboose’s post 592
I’m confused because it sounds like there are individual win conditions as well as team win conditions for both factions. Town don’t want to leave with scum and scum don’t want to leave with each other.
Since the mafia flavor is “married people” it would make sense that there are either 2 or 4 mafia members, but since we have already seen a third party role, I’m guessing we have 2. So if one mafia member goes home with town, the other will too unless we have a power role that can do something about it (vig? Ressurector?).
Now on to my suspicions.
First molestar…
Now KMD….
Next is Caboose…
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Finally MonkeyMan…
Currently I find MonkeyMan scummiest. I want to hear his defense before I vote him.
His tablemate is molestar, who looks slightly less suspicious than Caboose and maybe equally suspicious as The Countess right now. There isn’t much to say after the first incarnation of The Countess. She was a lurker and fluff poster that made jokes instead of actually contributing and she stayed on the Zwet wagon without reaffirmed any reason why. I want to get a read from this new The Countess before I can really conclude anything.-
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Did you check any of the vote counts to see if partners were automatically added when their partner voted?Kmd4390 wrote:Yes. I thought roff and I shared a vote. I didn't ask for an ok because I was ready to vote. I don't normally ask for an ok before I vote, so I saw no reason to do so here.
The previous vote count to your hammer was on page 4, post 83. There were 4 people that had 1 vote on them, which shouldn't be possible if partners voted together. Both BSG and The Count, who were paired up day 1, and EGL and Zwet, who were paired together, had votes on separate people, which wouldn't be possible if partners voted together.
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Countess, can you explain this more?The Countess wrote:Ok Ive read to. I disliked molestargazer for what I viewed as sitting on the fence attitude early day 1. However that has now been changed to monkeyman who I feel has been scummy throughout day 2. I need more of a case than "my gut". However for the moment I think mm is scum and will be voting him in due course.-
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Mod: Did Monkeyman not pickup his prod?
MonkeyMan is clearly active lurking because he's been posting in other games this whole time.
And where is everyone else? Hello?
I like the pairing of Caboose and MonkeyMan much better than any other possible pairing. They are my top scum of each gender. I'd like to see more contribution from everyone else, but I am very confidant in this vote.
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I say go for it. This isn't lylo and I think they're scum. But you have to decide if you are confidant enough without a claim.
I personally have been thinking that there aren't power roles, because there really isn't a night stage. This could be day roles but what town role is useful when the scum don't kill?-
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I'm seeing a trend in the role PMs where some townies have to go home with a unmarried partner in order to fulfill their win condition, but not all townies have that.
Since it's lylo we should probably all claim at some point unless you feel there are day powers that should still remain hidden until whenever.
But specifically maybe we should find out if any remaining town are allowed to go home with a married person and still win with the town; that way we don't have to wait until our top two suspects are paired with each other.
What happened to wanting more than a gut case?The Countess wrote:I am happy with a monkey lynch as I have stated before.vote monkey
The Countess wrote:However that has now been changed to monkeyman who I feel has been scummy throughout day 2. I need more of a case than "my gut". However for the moment I think mm is scum and will be voting him in due course.-
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So your a flavor cop. What's the gist of your role PM's flavor? Like, why would Miss Wright be able to know this?molestargazer wrote:I am MISS WRIGHT. Twice in the game, I can quote someone's message to the mod and he will tell me if they are lying or not.
You might as well use the second investigation now to see if someone is telling the truth about their win condition.-
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Unless "The Count" was married I think this has to be lylo.molestargazer wrote:Kill me then, you'll see I'm telling the truth, I'll have done my part, and you can look at those who wagoned me and exclude the person I've cleared.
It's an unusual gambit to role claim a flavor cop when mole presumably wasn't high on people's suspect lists. Being last to claim would allow scum to decide if another power role would look normal, and I think it actually does because as far as I can tell only MonkeyMan had a power. It would make sense for there to be at least one other right?
Right now the only person I think is scum is The Countess for lurking, fluff posting and staying way under the radar this whole game. V/LA and replacements seems to have taken some of that inactivity but we have learned basically nothing about what that role slot thinks so I have no reason to think he's pro-town.-
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DJ is the only one that can go with married people and his character is female, which means we'd need to pick a male we think is scum.
mole is also female so if he investigates a female and gets guilty we know one of the two is scum. If he investigates a male and gets guilty he could be bussing in order to look confirmed. But investigating a male helps us decide who to pair up with DJ.-
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I'm still believing moles claim. It seemed unnecessary for him to pull a gambit there unless he was bored with the game and just wanted to end.
If they did, it would only be useful in targeting moles or monkeyman since they are apparently the only ones with roles. Maybe the count and countess have passive ability powers too.Kmd4390 wrote:Could scum have a roleblocker?-
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Mod: Can you prod The Countess?
I think there's been two incarnations of The Countess and neither has posted much at all, but when they did post they were passive, indirect and secretive: which is think is anti-town. Maybe it's the hassle of going to the alt-account; maybe they were both newbies that flaked. I doubt a post-restriction is involved; lurking / flaking seems more likely.
@DJ: Are you saying that by page 30 you don't have a town read on anybody? I find it hard to believe that you have three people leaning scum and two null. As scum, that would open you up to agreeing with anything easier.
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I can agree that this is a convoluted game that never got to a good tempo and was bothered by people like DGB, but I can at least name two people other than myself that I wouldn't vote for right now (mole and kmd).
I keep thinking back to The Countess and why the investigation failed. The easiest explanation I can think of is The Countess has a passive ability that blocks investigations. If that's so then she lied during massclaim and only scum would do that.
If scum have a blocking power I don't see why they wouldn't use it on mole in that situation regardless of Countess' alignment, but that seems like a random role for scum to have if mole is the only role threat to them and he can only use his power twice in the game.
So I think this is another point against The Countess because I don't believe scum have a blocking power.
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I'm not sure how it would work flavor-wise since the alignments and roles have affected flavor. I don't have much experience with "mod notes" although I thought they had more to do with secret sanities or the effectiveness of one's own role, not how other roles affect you.Kmd4390 wrote:What are the chances she didn't know about her passive ability?
I'm not sure what is role is but I think he could have went away with his tablemate at anytime during the day? That doesn't seem like a risk to scum unless they've already been outed.Kmd4390 wrote:They could have blocked Monkey too.-
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Let's talk about how this...
Doesn't match with these...KMD Post 63 wrote:You are saying that town loses by leaving with scum. I do NOT see that in my Role PM at all.Jahudo Post 654 wrote:I lose if I leave with a married person. I win if the married people leave.KMD Post 658 wrote:Win condition matches Jahudo's and Nightfall's.-
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I'm a little concerned with this considering KMD made a deal about what his role PM said day 1 and he forgot it later on. I know its possible that time passed and stuff happened but it seemed like an area he was focusing on at one point. He said this:
He said this when he wanted to stop the conversation about win conditions and I'm wondering if you remember your theory KMD?KMD post 65 wrote:I have a theory, but it's probably best we stop talking about it.
A Countess/KMD lynch is my top choice now. I still like the chances of Countess being scum and I don't see a DJ-Nightfall pair happening.-
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Who is the either of you two in this quote? If the count was scum this quote only makes sense if you are accusing either of DJ and yourself as remaining scum.molestargazer wrote:II think that with The Count's death, there's only 1 scum left alive. If it isn't either of you two, it's not game over, and we lynch the Countess.-
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I could have said Countess' preference better but the end result seems to be the same. You said you didn't mind whatever decision was made, since you hadn't been reading as closely as others, but that you thought kmd was scum. And since KMD is paired with you right now it only made sense to me that you would prefer to vote for someone you thought was scum than to save yourself by voting people you were less sure about in DJ and Nightfall.
I guess no one wants to leave the game but at this point trading 1 scum for 1 town is favorable to risking two townies.
Which brings me to the reason (I think) KMD and I put DJ/Nightfall to L-1. The countess didn't hammer so I see no way Countess is scum with KMD. I didn't think they were before, but now I am completely confidant.
And in that vein I don't know what "scum powers" DJ could be warning about so I can't speculate on how we'd lose the game even if we nail scum today. It seems like an argument over nothing. If DJ has any evidence or ideas to a scum power he should probably share it now.-
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@Countess: What does mole having a connection with monkeyman mean? Monkeyman wasn't scum.
@KMD: Countess can't be scum with DJ because they are both women in this game.
If she was scum with Nightfall she could have hammered and gained townie points but between her and mole the rest of us had been leaning on her, so bussing wouldn't have guaranteed a victory. Her non-hammer gives me alot of pause though. I want to look at some moles posts again.-
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Yes, I am confidant in that. When the mod said this:Kmd4390 wrote:Jahudo, do the scumhaveto be opposite genders?
I took it to mean that this "speed dating club" is for heterosexuals. The "It may be" refers to same sex marriage laws of the fictional town/state/country, but that doesn't answer the laws of the speed dating organization.It may be, who knows, but if you're into that kind of stuff I suggest you go rounf the corner, the gay village is still open you never know you might get lucky-
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I guess they could be friends/co-workers/neighbors that are married to people not in the game. But if that is the case, why would they be working together as a team?Nightfall wrote:How do you figure?
Do we know that the scum win condition is to commit adultery? It makes sense in mafia terms that we're trying to lynch them any way we can (one at a time or both now) but if our win condition says we want the scum to leave, wouldn't that mean we also win if they committed adultery but not with us (for those people that lose if they go with scum)?Kmd4390 wrote:The only way is if they came in together, and if that's the case, why not leave together? The only role that had that condition was DGB. And that's obviously jester, not scum. So you're probably right then.
So what is the scum win condition if we want them to leave?
These are actually questions I don't think we can answer and aren't very interesting. This setup is bizarre and I'm ready to finish the game and see what happens.-
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@DJ
I was gonna claim cop (although it really was just flavor) with innocents on Jahudo/Molest and "no result" on The Countess. That would make Don/Nightfall scum by default. If I was right, it would win the game. If not, well I'd look like a dick.[/quote]Kmd4390 wrote:10 - During twilight, everyone may talk until night falls.
I think KMD is saying he is a vanilla but at one time he thought about fakeclaiming Cop. It's a dangerous gambit, but that's all in the past.-
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I think KMD is saying he is a vanilla but at one time he thought about fakeclaiming Cop. It's a dangerous gambit, but that's all in the past.Kmd4390 wrote:I was gonna claim cop (although it really was just flavor) with innocents on Jahudo/Molest and "no result" on The Countess. That would make Don/Nightfall scum by default. If I was right, it would win the game. If not, well I'd look like a dick.-
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The alright was in response to this:
It made enough sense to me at the time and I noticed I was the only person not voting so I figured everyone was giving me the go-ahead.don_johnson wrote:honestly, jahudo, with countess voting her table partner this should be an easy decision. one of the two of them is most likely scum(if not both). mole can wait.
That actually reminds me of DHSDSM alpha. I was given the go-ahead to decide the game by hammering someone, but I didn't because I hadn't seen the vote count say I would be the hammer. I was scum in that game but I played it cautious because in the back of my mind I didn't want to think I was hammering when a misspelled vote didn't count.
It's the same here because we hadn't had a vote count in a while and people were trying to double vote. If I was scum, that would be at the front of my mind again.-
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Only KMD was in that game but he wasn't alive at endgame so here's some links:
Where I didn't hammer: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 00#1670700
Causing Orto to think I'm town: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 19#1670719
And RW thinking I'm town: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 65#1670765
Then comes the vote count: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 14#1670914
And finally I hammer once I know I will be the hammer: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 71#1671071-
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I thought I was given the go-ahead to hammer since everyone else was voting for someone. I was the tie-break and I had to make a decision.
Even though I haven't posted my notes, I have re-read this thread enough for one game and I still don't feel very confidant in mole/nightfall but that seems to be the only pair possible now that I know KMD isn't scum.
And I voted in that exact post because Countess and DJ had already made their cases and I trusted them being town. I had no one left to argue with but myself.-
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1. In this game I didn't care if the double votes counted but I assumed they did since we are really voting for pairs. But I felt like I was the tie-breaker because everyone had made their suspicions known through votes.
As scum I probably would have PM'ed the mod to a vote count first, or at least to ask if I was going to be the hammer.
2. I didn't trust KMD when he forgot his win condition, which helped me transition from Nightfall to KMD. When I voted I was confidant that me/Countess/DJ were right about KMD being scum.
3. I don't have any notes to post from when I've re-read the thread.-
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