If a replacement is not found in 72 hours, let's lynch him. He's wasting our time anyway.
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Alright, let's end this nonsense immediately. This has gotten far too silly. We have thirty days. That's it. Thirty. Blooming. Days. To find four scumbags. This might be tricky. As such, I am declaring LAL(Lynch All Lurkers). Any players who need a prod get lynched ASAP. This will stop players from lurkering with impunity. This will also hopefully create more scum slips as they will have to post content or die. Nightless set-up...this is prime strategy.
Vote: llamaeatataco
If a replacement is not found in 72 hours, let's lynch him. He's wasting our time anyway.
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So is this a random vote or a policy vote?Artem wrote:Vote: Datadanne
Based on his lurker play in the game I modded (viewtopic.php?t=11336) I think a vote on sight is in order.
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I was going to make a quote wall, but let me explain my position instead. In the beginning of the game, there is little information. That is why the random vote stage exists, to generate discussion and reads on other players. That is the natural state of the game.
However, players also may drop votes based on past play and possibly even seek that player's lynch. I call this a policy lynch or a policy vote, made because of a player's play in other games rather than this one, threatening to seek their lynch.
The reason for my question is that I have seen some players make a "random" vote on another player because of how they played in another game but not seeking their lynch in any way.
Even if you're not seeking their lynch rightnowyou said you might in the future. This makes it a policy vote.
I suppose a better question would have been "are you seeking Data's lynch or not?". I hope this explains it. There's nothing wrong with it, I was just curious.
Why?Konowa wrote:I do, however, find Seraphim's attempt to turn Artem's vote into an either/or situation a little disconcerting.
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I thought we were hunting scum, not rude people.don_johnson wrote:vote: seraphim
lynching lurkers is fine, but trying to off someone who hasn't confirmed is just plain rude.
note to all(mostly to self): be sure and understand rule #3. it may be important later on.
It looks like we may be getting a replacement for him anyway. If so, I will stop trying to get him lynched. Generally, in the time it takes to get a replacement, time will have been wasted. We can't waste time.
Why is rule 3 important? All that it says is that the vote count doesn't reset between days.
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Exactly. He joined the game and failed to meet his commitment to playing the game meaning that that slot is now vacant. We are not able to get a read on that player until that slot is no longer vacant. If that slot continues to be unfilled, we will lynch that slot as it is wasting our time by not allowing us to achieve a read on that slot. Very simple. Also, while I will try to be courteous, I do not have any pity for lurkers, active or otherwise, especially in a game like this.Artem wrote:Failure to confirm is not indicative of alignment since the player may not have even read their role PM. DJ is calling you rude, not the player you're voting.
72 hours is when my vote will be cast on them.Kreriov wrote:The game has been active now for almost a whole a day. How long until we decide someone not posting is lurking?
Just don't waste our time and we won't lynch you.Kreriov wrote:However, please to not consider me lurking if I post Friday at work and then do not post again until Monday morning!
As for the voting, just be careful. Don't let a player get within quick-lynching range unless we want that player to be lynched. L-4 is quick-lynching range so be wary of that come endgame...
"Seemingly ignorant?" I understood the rule, I just didn't understand why it was interesting. I've played nightless games before and I've seen that rule before. I understand now of course but I don't see how that is anti-town or scummy.don_johnson wrote:seraphim's push and his seemingly ignorant response to the suggestion i have made about being sure to understand rule #3 will be keeping my vote on him until further notice.
Your "case" on me looks like placing a vote on me to look like you're doing something. I've got my eye on you, DJ.
UnvoteWelcome to the game. I don't want you replaced, I want you to post. Which you did. Thank you. Now I can hunt scum.
Good, that's the point. Let's scare the scum and lynch the lurkers...causing scum slips and an active game. An excellent environment for the town to work in.ThAdmiral wrote:(I should note that I feel all this talk of lurker watching will most likely have scared any scum out of actually lurking now, so I figure lal would be most ineffective for this game tbh. It should be quite an active game however, which is always good)
Currently, we are more than a day into the game. Three players(Santos, dothefandango, Datadanne) have not posted yet. I hope these players will post soon.
Currently, don_johnson is my biggest suspect for his contrived case on me. I also hope Konowa will answer my question relatively soon.
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I'm interested in the bolded part. How exactly did my actions make his vote less effective? And why is it anti-town? I was trying to classify his vote. This is not an anti-town action.Konowa wrote:It caught my attention Seraphim, because I understood what Artem was/is trying to do. It looked anti-town that you were trying to hard line his actions into an either/or situation, when it was neither.By doing this, it takes away from the effect of the vote.
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You wouldn't take a policy vote seriously? Why?Konowa wrote:I immediately took Artem's vote to mean post or die. By trying to classify his vote as either random or policy deflates it in my opinion. If I see that a vote on me is random or policy I am not going to take it seriously. That is why I view it as anti-town.
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I think you misunderstand. Take a look at my response to your "case" on me:don_johnson wrote:seraphim:
ignorance can be defined as the absence of understanding. you acknowledge that you did not "understand" the implications of rule three yet you attempt to cast suspicions on my statement of "seemingly ignorant" when logically, and by your own admission, my statement was spot on.
check the bolded part. You were pretty much saying I was scummy because I didn't understand the implications of rule three.Me wrote:"Seemingly ignorant?" I understood the rule, I just didn't understand why it was interesting. I've played nightless games before and I've seen that rule before.I understand now of course but I don't see how that is anti-town or scummy.That'sthe problem I have with it.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Let's pretend a player flakes out or starts lurking. It will be 72 hours without a post before the mod prods that player. Then that player has 48 more hours to respond to that prod. Even then, they may not replaced. This is wasted time for the entire town of up to FIVE DAYS before a replacement is evenArtem wrote:Also, mislynching a spot because you can't get a read on it would waste more time (literally) than letting the mod fill it. (Unless, of course, the mod fails to fill it within three days.)considered. Let's assume it takes one day to find a replacement(which would be extremely lucky)...that player has been gone from the game for 6 days, one-fifth of our playing time. And what if the lurking player is scum? There is one-third chance of us hitting scum randomly so we gain time by lynching lurkers if they're scum and if they're town, there are less suspects to pursue.
Wow, lining up lynches too? I have stated my logic on the matter. You say vote-camping, I say insurance policy. How did I know that llama would be back? I didn't. Hence my vote. Very simple.Seraphim wrote:i think sera is the first scum. not trying to tunnel here, but nothing about them is logical. also, he camped his vote on the unconfirmed player attempting to imply that unconfirmed=lurking. if he flips scum i'd look at llama as a scum partner.
Your cases on me are extremely contrived.
He's extremely eager and prove himself after I tried to get him lynched. He's making up for lost time...unfortunately, this is a null-tell. He hasn't brought any thing new to the discussion so I suppose we'll see.Artem wrote:So, since you're so eager to go after the spots/players for which you have no reads, care to share what read you got on llama?
I hope dothefandagno graces us with his presence. Especially since he signed up for my Mini Theme.
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True. An excellent point. I wanted to show that I am taking a hard stance on lurkers/inactive players in this game. If a replacement had not been found in three days(or llama had not come back), I would have pushed harder for his lynch. But as it stands, this did not happen.Artem wrote:But we're not talking about a flaky lurker. We're talking about an unconfirmed spot,that the mod already started looking for a replacement for, as stated in post 3.
I think you misunderstand. I wanted llama lynched because he was not posting. That is the long and short of it. Are you going to lynch a player you have a town read or a null read on? The null read, of course. The more a player posts, the better a read you are going to get on that player. An unfilled slot, an active lurker, a flaker...what do these have in common? You will not get a read on them because they do not post enough. End of story.Artem wrote:Why did you unvote then? I thought you were interested in lynching players/slots that give you no reads or does that only apply to unfilled slots? If so, can you explain the practical difference between lynching an unfilled slot from which you are unable to get a read and lynching/pressuring a player on whom you have a null read?
Yeah, I'll go get that. Don't expect to form a meta on me though...my play is highly variable and unpredictable.Artem wrote:In cubic mafia, you mentioned a game which you played with Riceballtail in which you were scum.
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I unvoted. I have not voted for anyone else.dothefandango wrote:Ok I'm all caught up.
While I don't agree with whom Seraphim has pointed his initial vote for, I do agree with his methodology. I wonder why he hasn't changed his vote, though.[/b]
Also, your reasoning contradicts itself.
You say that I am the most anxious to vote...however, you put a vote on me based on very little evidence because there "aren't any big tells out there."dothefandango wrote:a.) it's the first day, and there aren't any big leads out there right now. b.) he seems the most anxious to vote,
Wouldn't that make you anxious to vote as well?
Vote-parking.dothefandango wrote:When another more obvious tell is shown, I will change my vote. For now, it stays.
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How about this: tell me, excluding Data and Santos who have posted nothing of substance, what you think of each player so far. Intial reaction to each player in the game.dothefandango wrote:
Yes it was. Like I said, it was all I had to go on at that point. And now that even that is gone, I have nothing. Holding the bag looking like an idiot.Seraphim wrote:
That was the entire basis of your vote? O_odothefandango wrote:I'm sorry, I genuinely did not see that he unvoted. Shoot!
UNVOTE, one thousand apologies Seraphim.
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Won't deny that.Artem wrote:Here is how I see your play: you are very spastic
I'm giving him a chance to give me a read. There were other players that provided me no reads at the time. The difference with llama is that he hadn't confirmed. Seeing as he was a new player, I assumed he might have flaked off the site. This was a bad assumption. Therefore, I voted for him.Artem wrote:Yes, all those have a lack of a read in common. This is exactly why you should have kept your vote on llama. He provided you with no better read than an empty spot. By your own standards, this deserves a vote. Yet, you unvote because "now you can hunt scum".
Have you been paying attention? I am trying to question DJ about the case on me, I've been interrogating dothefandango, I've been having this extremely enlightening conversation with you, I had a nice back-and-forth with Konowa, and I'm also attempting to question llama a bit farther and get a read on him.Artem wrote:How is that going by the way? You are not pressuring anyone.
1. I learned that you were extremely touchy about that vote. I also learned that you take stock in the metagame which I will be looking at.Artem wrote:What did you learn from asking me about my vote? What did you learn from your vote on llama? What was the point of either if you didn't learn anything?
2. I learned that llama is eager not to be lynched.
3. There is a point. There is always a point. By looking at a player's reactions, even to the stupidest things, you gain insight in their mind and how it works which is why I hate lurkers, especially in a game like this.
*waggles finger* Now you're bullshitting. How has DJ aided the rest of the town in hunting scum?Artem wrote:The ironic part is that you're accusing DJ of trying to appear busy, while you're more guilty of it than he is.
Overall, you put a lot of stock in the meta game. However, you underestimate me. I'm spastic because I like to cover as much ground as possible. I want to force players to react, I want to analyze those reactions and hopefully catch scum.
Agreed.Artem wrote:With all that said, I think that we should wagon Santos or Datadanne right about now.
Vote: Datadanne
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You see, Artem? This is a gold mine of information especially when he finishes this post with the other players. If DTF is scum, I'm guessing he will be looking for a llama lynch. He may also be scum with DJ due to his neutral read on him. Cool-headed means little or nothing and is a non-commital read.dothefandango wrote:Ok Seraphim I'm just going to put my gut reactions. I urge everyone not to freak out by what I say about them, because these are purely hypothetical observations.
Kreriov: Seems to be actively looking for scum.
JamesBond: I like his idea to unvote/confirm vote at L-1, if I read his post correctly.
Llama: I don't like his posts. Period.
Artem: The vote off the bat like that doesn't usually help anyone, but I think he has a valid point. The problem with Artem is how much I hate metagaming, and how much he uses it. I hope to act differently in every game I play, but so far data hasn't changed his ways or responded to Artem, so thus far it isn't a misplaced vote.
don_johnson: Seems like a cooled headed player.
That's all I got so far, I have some things I have to take care of.
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Alright. But if Data flips scum, you're next. Just remember that.Konowa wrote:If the activity of this game keeps up this pace I do not think slow is going to be a problem. If anything, I am more worried that town could start speed wagoning on lurkers and that could hurt us more than it could help us.
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Konowa voted for the other lurker rather than bandwagoning Data. I also feel that his latest post may be a result of prodding from his scummates.dothefandango wrote:I don't think that sort of language is smart, threatening people like that sounds like you know that person isn't gonna come up scum and thus get two birds for one stone.
There is a major difference between the statement DJ made and my own. His statement was based on little evidence. However, I make it clear above that Data and Konowa may be scummates together and there is a much higher likelihood of it than llama and I being scummates.Artem wrote:That's the second count of double-standards towards DJ. Why?
Your first real post is just an insult towards me? Tsk tsk. You will flip because we are going to lynch you because you have posted no content in this game.Datadanne wrote:Jackass, Why even the thought that i would flip?
EVERYONE SHOULD BE PUTTING A VOTE ON EITHER DATADANNE OR SANTOS RIGHT NOW. DATA IS ACTIVE LURKING, SANTOS HAS NOT POSTED ANYTHING SINCE THE POST FROM HIS BLACKBERRY.
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OrangePenguin has put in minimal content since D1, I will admit, but not only have Data and Santos posted NO content(active lurking on Data's part, just plain lurking on Santos's part), they have a reputation of poor play and such.
I trust OP will grace us with his presence soon enough. llama isn't lurking even if he hasn't answered the question yet.
I refuse to slow down. We have 27 days. I will not waste a single second.
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OP has at least posted content since the beginning of the game. Santos and Data have not. Besides that, Data's game-related moves have been to call me a jackass and then replace out.
I still don't understand why I'm a suspect. I'm eager to lynch lurkers, yes, for the numerous reasons I have stated. If you want to continue wasting the town's time, go right ahead.
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I think you misunderstand the entire concept of Lynch All Lurkers. Players lurk. We lynch them. I suggest giving OP one more day and joining the Santos or Data wagons so the town can accomplish something.JamesBond wrote:Doublepost.
Since DD is replacing out, and Santos already got pressure on him im gonna do this:
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Alright, alright...
I still think Data or Santos would make better lynches however, the time is ripe to lynch Orange Penguin and if that's where the votes lie...
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Vote: Orangepenguin
Concerning JamesBond: mere gut. I don't have anything concrete, I am merely stating a certain unease in regards to his posting. Like I said, nothing concrete, and it may just be paranoia.
I was defending OP mainly because I wanted to give him a chance to post(which he did have, he was posting in other games). Santos said he would post but didn't, Data made a very odd replacement request as soon as the pressure was on, and I found that more deserving of votes.-
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Haha, I can't call you scummy for a perfectly legitimate question. I changed my mind about OrangePenguin because the time between his last post and the current date had exceeded 72 hours which is going to be my limit for lurkers. That's where the votes were, I want to lynch all lurkers, I know where my vote is going. My vote is gone now, of course, I just hope he scum hunts more.JamesBond wrote:What made you change your mind about OrangePenguin...?
Why does this look like Konowa covering his ass just in case OP did indeed flip town?Konowa wrote:I do not like the op wagon.
I just want to point something before I continue: if you're not going to be able to post for a while, inform the rest of us so we don't try and lynch you. It nearly happened to OP because he didn't post in this game for a while.
If you have a better idea on what to do with lurkers, feel free to tell me, as I'm all ears.OP wrote:I don't like the eagerness of players to lynch lurkers. Yes, lurkers bring games down, blah blah blah, but for this game, scum are going to try to pass off as town, and posting more is important as ever for them, since time is a factor.
STATE IF YOU'RE NOT READING THE THREAD DAMMIT. You entire attitude is pissing me off, like you expect us to read your mind. If you're not going to be onsite or able to post, tell the rest of us or we'll think you're lurking instead of not reading the game. You sound surprised but you shouldn't be. I stated at the beginning of the game that we should lynch all lurkers. Some people agreed with me. Or maybe you didn't read that part?OP wrote:Except, if a player isn't reading the thread, pressuring them doesn't quite work.
I want. To lynch. All fucking lurkers. In a normal game, lurkers don't need to be lynched, we have time to replace them. However, in a game with a set time limit, lurkers are wasting our time. Not posting in a game like this is ANTI-TOWN. Who is ANTI-TOWN? SCUM! I would have been more forgiving if you had posted, "Sorry guys, focusing on other games, I'll catch up with this in a bit," or something along those lines. But you didn't. This makes it look like you are lurking, someone to be LYNCHED.OP wrote:Basically, Santos lied about not posting and Data did something suspicious, but because I was more worried about other games and posted in those, instead of bothering to check this thread. I love how you have to defend your reasons for defending me.
If they aren't replaced in the meantime, yes. And as for JamesBond, wow, I'm not even allowed to post my suspicions. I'll just sit down and shut up and let the master scumhunter and martyr Orangepenguin take care of everything!OP wrote:That way, tomorrow, you can lynch either Data or Santos, and if you find anything concrete on Bond, James Bond, you could possibly lynch him! Isn't lining up lynches fun?
JamesBond wrote:Im starting to change my mind about the LAL-thingy. I belive that lurrking right now is a null-tell, because it CANT be active-lurking, noone would be that stupid, not as town, not as scum.
*face-palm*JamesBond wrote:Changed my mind. We gotta do SOMETHING, clock is ticking.
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And now for a case on Konowa.
Excellent, great, good to know, keep this post in mind later.Konowa wrote:Also, anyone lurking and/or stalling will be considered scummy.
Alright, great, a vote for Santos. However, he says he has no problem "wagoning" lurkers yet he has started a wagon rather than building on someone else's bandwagon(like the Data wagon for instance).Konowa wrote:I have no problem wagoning lurkers in this game.
Vote: Santos
Wait, what? This contradicts the quoted posts above. Apparently, heKonowa wrote:If anything, I am more worried that town could start speed wagoning on lurkers and that could hurt us more than it could help us.doeshave a problem wagoning lurkers.
This is the second instance of Konowa ignoring Datadanne for no real reason. He doesn't even comment on the strange circumstances of his replacing out.Konowa wrote:Note: I am not including Data because he has replaced out.
From these posts, what can we conclude?
There are definite connections between Konowa and two other players, notably Orangepenguin and Datadanne. Both of them were getting wagoned for lurking and Konowa did follow suit, preferring to continue voting Santos.
We can also conclude that Konowa is being cautious when it comes to voting lurkers. In his opening posts, he says anyone lurking/stalling will be considered scummy, yet this doesn't apply to OP or to Datadanne.
Notice that Konowa only gets uptight about wagoning lurkers once Datadanne starts getting wagoned and then later OrangePenguin.
I think lynching Konowa and determining if he is scum is now of paramount importance. If he does indeed flip scum, there is a high likelihood of Datadanne being scum.
I don't think Orangepenguin is scum as Konowa stated that he did not like the OP wagon, setting up for an "I-told-you-so" moment if OP had indeed been lynched.
The other problem, if you read him in isolation, is the strangely neutral tone all of his posts take. It's off and I noticed it almost immediately but didn't state it outright. I highly recommend reading Konowa in isolation to get what I'm talking about.
Vote: Konowa
Normally I would vote for Datadanne or Santos but I am nearly positive I have caught scum in Konowa.
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Konowa, while I agree that Llama doesn't look the most town, I don't think his attempted vote on Santos was distancing. In fact, I think it looks like you're jumping at shadows. Besides his lurking, I see no reason to suspect of being scum(then again, I haven't dissected his massive wall yet).
Tomorrow afternoon, I plan on going through the massive wall of text that Santos built, work on getting Konowa-scum lynched, and figure out what the deal is with llama and why everyone wants him lynched.
Until then, good night.
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Santos: That was the best post I think I've ever seen you make. Usually I don't like PBPAs, but this was a pretty good one. Don't make any more giant walls(they can be as bad as lurkers) but I'm definitely glad you are here. Keep it up.
Don't drink and scumhunt, my good man. XPJamesBond wrote:I get some explanation from your last (good) post, but i dont really feel a proper difference with OP and Data.
Maybe its because im drunk atm, but can you please give more info?
Anyway, the difference between Data and OP is that Konowa ignored the Data wagon completely and then proceeded to condemn the OP wagon, not for its speed, but because one player failed to look at Santos's recent posts on site.
I could say the exact same thing for you and Data or OP.Konowa wrote:I clearly stated why I did not like the op wagon, Seraphim. I did not like how Kreriov went out of his way to check that op was posting in another game but not Santos. That does not feel scummy to you at all? It feels to me like scum covering for another.
You had a problem with lynching OP who was definitely lurking. You didn't just say that competing wagons were win for town, either. You condemned the lynch, based off of one player's comment that OP had posted elsewhere. This doesn't make any sense! You stated in your first post that lurking was scummy, why should one lurker be different from another?Konowa wrote:Now please explain how I am uptight/cautious about wagoning lurkers.
Wow, right after his giant wall? More Konowa votes please.Konowa wrote:More Santos votes please.
No, it makes it even more important. Once players start lurking again, that's when we POUNCE. This should stop lurkers in the first place.JamesBond wrote:That makes LAL policy pretty useless.
Two words: "lurker lynch". You stopped lurking. We stopped lynching.OP wrote:The fact that my wagon died as I returned showed how confident most of you all felt about it. Yet you all were willing to lynch me. Kind of scary for the town if it moves as much as the wind.
This is a fail attempt for Konowa to look pro-town. You stated earlier that lurking was scummy, therefore making lurkers scum. Are you taking back this statement when it applies to your scummates?Konowa wrote:It is statements like these that make me twitch. We need to be hunting scum, not lurkers.
A very weak scumtell at best. There are much stronger scumtells out there. Look for contradictions.DTF wrote:Seraphim, as I have pointed out from the beginning, is making wild accusations and seems really eager to vote. This, in my opinion, has always been a scum tell.
Unfortunately, it doesn't mean anything. If Konowa hadn't condemned the wagon, I would have agreed with you. If Konowa flips scum, it would be highly unlikely that OP is scum with him.Jamesbond wrote:Good point about Konowa not hammering, when (if) we learn out the alignments of either Konowa or OP that will be something to remember, as you so well said.
Read the game as I have answered this point several times.Artem wrote:Why OP over DD or Santos?
Out of the three lurkers, Konowa's most likely scumpartner is DD. He has hounded Santos, far too much to be bussing IMO, and condemned the OP wagon, setting up to look town later when OP flipped town. Here's a list of my reads so far:Konowa wrote:And for the record: competing wagons IS pro-town, so you can drop the "he voted Santos over DD" argument
Town:
Seraphim(dur, of course I'm town, I'm always town)
Kreriov(solid town read on him, don't think he's scum)
Santos(Despite his early game lurking, I really don't think he's scum)
DJ(I thought he was scum at first, but looking at his posts in a different light, he may be town too, very close to neutral)
Neutral:
JamesBond(At first I thought he was scum...however, I'm not sure if this read is correct or not. He may need looking into)
Artem(seems fixated on me, not sure if he's scum or not, only time will tell, defends Konowa, interesting)
ThAdmiral(needs to post more, last time he posted little even if it was town, he was scum)
orangepenguin(I am almost positive that OP is town, but he's down there just in case I'm wrong about Konowa)
DTF(I don't think he's scum but...same as JamesBond, needs more looking into)
Scum:
Konowa(I have stated my opinions on the matter)
llama(there is just something off about him. Is he newbietown...or newbiescum? Difficult to read)
Datadanne(lurker, replaces out under slightest pressure, should be lynched immediately after Konowa)
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I want to lynch this lurker. Konowa can wait. I'm tired of wasting time. OP's lynch was scum-driven but I also believe that Santos's was too.
LYNCH THIS LURKER! SCREW COMPETING WAGONS, WE NEED INFORMATION!
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It's just a general gut read. There are scummier players and lurkers out there.JamesBond wrote:2) Why do you think Santos is town? Cant really see it, maybe ive missed something?
As for the rest, maybe when DD flips scum, you'll think otherwise. I am nearly 100% sure that Konowa is scum. You're not. Not terribly surprising, we're only eight pages in.
And let's not get friendly until after the game where we laugh about how paranoid we were of each other. Until then, my gut still says you're scum even if my head says you probably aren't.
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I highly doubt that, Konowa. I think the supposed distancing between llama and Santos is a feeble attempt at scumhunting. I look at that post and I see him attemptin
I really don't understand the llama case besides the poor play he's made but I suppose it's worth a look if so many people are suddenly bandwagoning him.
If Data has a replacement, I guess I'll let time tell if he's scum or not.
Speaking of time, we are RUNNING OUT OF IT.
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Hmm.
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Took a look at the posts. Besides some of the other points people have pointed out, there is also some active lurking going on and I'm not sure I really see any serious scumhunting on his parts besides weird and random accusations on DTF.
This should stop any accusations of distancing. He seems disappointed that he can't vote for Santos anymore.llama wrote:Oh yes, sorry for the doublepost, but I will say that santos has now posted more words than me in this thread (I think) So I can't say that he's lurking. -_-
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My gut has been wrong before but also has a nasty habit of being correct too. Which is why I never vote someone unless my head and my gut are in consensus.JamesBond wrote:How can I trust your gut read on Santos when I know your gut read is shit, considering your gut thinks me scum. Thats a paradox I cant handle at this time of day.
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That was a pleasant surprise. DTF is almost definitely not scum based on interactions off the top of my head. With a confirmed scumbag, looks like a more in-depth read in iso is in order.
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Betting there's more than a few scum on this wagon. Judging by the speed of it, llama got bussed hard by at least one of his scum mates.The mod's end of day vote count wrote:llamaeatataco (7): ThAdmiral, Kreriov, JamesBond, Konowa, Seraphim, don_johnson, Santos
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Interesting points in the llama reread:
His fourth post...he says that it looks like DTF is trying to be scumbuddies with him. Highly unlikely that DTF is scum based on his ridiculous accusations.
His sixth post...he tries to vote Santos and OP. Unfortunately, I don't think this reveals anything about either alignment as he was just voting lurkers besides Data.
His eighth post...he defends himself against Santos. I still think Santos is town and going after him is a waste of time.
That's about it. I also noticed that llama did not go after Datadanne and in fact never mentioned him at all. Does anyone else find this suspect?
Most thoughts later, I want to reread the entire game and look for interactions with llama.
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Hmmm. DJ needs to be read in isolation as I'm getting a heavy gut reading of scum.
In the meantime, I don't like the Santos wagon in the slightest. I really don't think he's scum. The only thing resembling a case I have seen is Krer talking about a connection between Santos and llama. If this is the supposed "distancing" that has been discussed earlier, this is seriously jumping at shadows.
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My vote is on the sidelines because I'm not sure who to vote yet.
Vote: saberwolf
I'm fairly confident with this vote. saberwolf replaced a scummy scumbag and has not helped. There is no analysis, he's been active lurking.
I seriously don't see any sort of case on Santos. It's a terrible wagon. Unless you guys have a real case beyond "Well, uh, llama distanced him!!1!" then I suggest you find better places for your votes.-
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I think llama was seriously just trying to vote both of them in order to look pro-town and lynch lurkers.dothefandango wrote:Seraphim attempting to stop the Santos wagon, which, if I recall correctly, is also someone he never voted for in D1. Further, Llama's double vote here where he named Santos as his second vote, regardless of whether it counts, seems more now like a scum distancing tool. I'm reading it the same as when you vote one place and FoS your partner.-
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I think there might be a good chance of ThAdmiral being scum simply on the basis on that he's not posting as much as he usually does. That's gut unfortunately and there's no real basis behind it.
I think that there is still a chance that Konowa is scum but it is much less likely given how hard he pushed Santos's lynch.
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dothefandango is quite literally the one person I am quite sure is not scum based on what we know. Not to mention your logic is crap...simply because players are not voting for scum does not mean they are scum themselves.
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Yeah, the scum can't talk.
BTW, after deep rereading, I think DJ is most likely to be the next scum.
After Santos's flip, I reread Konowa and now believe it is highly unlikely that he is scum. Same thing with saberwolf.
DTF has about the same chance of being scum as Konowa for the reason that both llama and Santos tried to push a DTF lynch. Llama made some statements that make it highly unlikely that DTF is scum.
Your logic is crap, no offense to you, because scum often bus especially towards the end of a wagon when it looks inevitable. If someone misses two wagons, it's because they aren't paying attention. DTF has pretty much been active-lurking which we may end up lynching him for anyway.
OP doesn't seem like scum.
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Vote: DJ
Artem knows where it's at. DJ has nearly always been last(hammering and L-1 vote) for both scum lynches. This is prime bussing location. Not to mention that DJ seems incredibly nervous. Look back in iso to see what I mean.-
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