Mini 843- The Fast and the Furious Mafia! (Over-Mod Error)

[Starbuck]

/confirm

[Starbuck]

It's Labor Day Weekend for the US, so I would expect V/LA from almost everyone who celebrates it.


Anyways onto RVS

Vote: MordyS

[Starbuck]

w00t for ending RVS!

[Starbuck]

I really didn't see what don_johnson saw of Boxman. It's supposed to be RVS, so why give a reason at all? I definitely don't like that quick bandwagon.

Now I'm not really that suspicious of don_johnson because at least he gave a detailed reason, but MordyS and Kodamma jumped on for no reason other than "who can resist a wagon!". Kodamma, once called out, quickly jumps off the wagon.

I'm not sure if I buy his defense in post 48.

FOS: Kodamma

[Starbuck]

I know that you started it and I did just read it, so please don't tell me to re-read. don_johnson was the only person who gave a reason, you didn't even give one. I really don't buy that you were trying to get the game moving. Why are you trying to deflect attention?

[Starbuck]

So more or less, Mordy is FOSing me for disagreeing with him because we have different points of view.

Roland, also the guy's name is Kodamma, not Kodamna.

[Starbuck]

But the point of the game is to take in different points of view. You seem to be really pushing that fact that your reading is the correct reading which is also is a scum tactic.

[Starbuck]

Apologies for my absence, even though I am stationed overseas, we still celebrate Labor Day Weekend.

@don_johnson - If you noticed, I haven't been that suspicious of you because no matter how sarcastic you've been, you still gave somewhat of a reason for you vote, where the others did not. I never stated that you didn't give a reason so I don't get where the following came from:

I really didn't see what don_johnson saw of Boxman. It's supposed to be RVS, so why give a reason at all? I definitely don't like that quick bandwagon.

rvs consists of random or joke votes. my vote was not random. therefore i offered my reasoning and tossed in some humor. my vote was not to "randomly" begin a bandwagon, but to start one in the best place possible. given the information available at the time, boxman seemed the best place to start and i offered my reasoning as to why.

@MordyS - Your shot at me in post 63 is definitely not necessary since you do admit to knowing what I mean.

"Let's get this thing started" is definitely not a reason to vote someone. Your vote is your strongest tool, if you are town, you should use it wisely.



@Faraday - I FOS'd because currently I don't feel the need to move my vote on Mordy. His back and forth with me has made me a bit suspicious of him, so I'll be leaving my vote on him for the time being.

I think his motivation was for a quicklynch. That's my gut feeling though.

[Starbuck]

Mod: Later on today will make 72 hours for Kodamma. I know it's early, but in case I'm not around later, I want to request a prod on him.

[Starbuck]

I've had a rather busy week/weekend. Will be catching up later on today.

[Starbuck]

I have not been lurking. I just plan have not been around. For those that don't know, I'm in the United States Navy and they run my life. We have a huge inspection coming up in the next two weeks along with a command wide inventory. So my apologies ahead of time if I'm not as timely with my posts.

Unvote

, time to get rid of my RVS vote. I still think Mordy is scummy, but not as scummy as the person who I will be voting for at the end of my catch up. I still will have my eye on Mordy.

I do think there were too many people waiting on Kodamma. This early, the game shouldn't be riding on one person's response.

@Tjoe

There is no real one place scum want to be. Trying to read his mind will get us no-where, I think he just simply jumped on the bandwagon. There's nothing particularly suspicious about that in and of itself.

NOWHERE?...not entirely true.some scum may use MordyS' lead as momentum to bring more vote

While what you say is true, you left off one part. What if Mordy is scum trying to lead us onto a bandwagon?

And I do agree with you that a quicklynch in no way benefits the town.

@Kodamma

Post 92 is a very good explanation. Everything that was asked, he answered precisely. I'm not willing to go as far as to say that I have a townie read on him, but he definitely redeemed himself (at least for me) for now.

@Faraday

In post 97, you seem to be picking apart Kodamma's response to find anything damning against him. That may not be how you meant it, but it's definitely how I read it.

Your response to Kodamma definitely perked my interest in you, and I think I'll be reading you in iso later.

@Doombunny

Here's the link to the Twilight game. I was very aggressive in that game because I still do believe that the game starts after the confirmation stage. Zwet revealed while we were still in the confirmation stage and because I didn't like it, the town & scum kept going after me. It felt like there was nothing I could do to redeem myself. It also did not help that barely anyone knew the source material.

@RossWilliam

In post 105, it seems as though you are piggybacking off of a few others cases and not making your own. There's something about your post that I really don't like. It almost seems like an overreaction without anyone actually attacking you.

Then once you are called out on it, you reply with post 114. I really don't feel that it is genuine.

You seem to just be skirting along on the backs of everyone else's cases and I do not like it.

Vote: RossWilliam

[Starbuck]

I commented on why I unvoted you. I still think you are scummy, but I found RossWilliam to be scummier. Our vote is the only thing that we as town have, and I placed it on the person I found scummiest. Also, up until this point I really didn't have anyone scummier. I think you also forget that my original vote on you is from RVS. So the part about finding a new target is rather null when you think about it.

You are really holding the fact that I was delayed on replying because I'm in the military against me? I explained where I was, not that it is any of your business, but because with my type of job, that has to come first before anything.

You give scum? Lawl, I love when people are wrong.

[Starbuck]

Perked it as to I'm still neutral on my read of you, and that I need to re-read you or view you in iso.

[Starbuck]

That word "misrepresentation" is being tossed around quite a bit, I think the correct word might be "misinterpretation".

[Starbuck]

You know Mordy, you are really struggling to get a case on me.

There have been quite a few incidents where people have stated that they were misrepresented, or that someone said they said something that they did not, or twisted their words. That's all a way to misrepresent someone.

[Starbuck]

You also may want to back off on the ad-hom attacks.

[Starbuck]

I posted my V/LA in the V/LA thread. I have military stuff (command wide inspection/inventory) going on all this week and a bit of next. I am off and on. I'm following along, but I really don't have time right this second to make the analytical post that I want to. I should be able to catch up on all my games on Sunday. I apologize for the inconvenience but that's the way of life when you are in the military.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck: I'm getting a scum vibe. Poor reasoning and failure to show up for a while combine in this decision.

If you guys need to check out my meta in order to prove that I don't actively lurk, flake, or drop out of games, please do so. I replace into more games than I actually start from the beginning. I did have real life stuff come up due to the fact that I am in the military, and had posted as such in the V/LA thread as well as in each of my games.

Normally when I do have stuff come up, I post in the V/LA thread. It bothers me that no one even cares to look there anymore.


@Animorpherv - You can't even come up with your own case on me and you need to piggyback off of others? That's rather sad.

For one thing, Starbuck's posts seem to be very emotional-driven, and someone brought up in this current page a good point that she hasn't really been scum-hunting but rather defending herself and calling out Mordy.

At the same time, Mordy seems to be somewhat tunneling on Starbuck, almost provoking a response from her, although this argument is a bit interpretation on my part. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nonetheless Mordy doesn't seem too townie to me in his scum hunting. Perhaps its a manner of how he's carried his case out.

They may seem that way, but they really aren't. It's kind of odd to me though, you seem to be defending me a lot in the post where this quote is from, but then you vote for me. I don't mind votes on me, but it seems that it's hypocritical based on everything that you just wrote.

[Starbuck]

You did piggyback. You didn't come up with your own case at all.

[Starbuck]

The only thing he said about me is this:

Starbuck: I'm getting a scum vibe. Poor reasoning and failure to show up for a while combine in this decision.

No examples of anything, and yes, I do admit that I was absent for the time due to work & real life stuff. But my meta can disprove the fact that I actively lurk or flake.

[Starbuck]

I put in my V/LA in the V/LA thread. I didn't just disappear.

[Starbuck]

I have never been replaced in any game that I have played or have flaked out in any game that I have played.

[Starbuck]

I think people want him to claim because that's what normally happens at L-1 in most games.

[Starbuck]

Well those are some great results. 3 down. /sigh

[Starbuck]

Por que?

[Starbuck]

You've been fairly scummy up to this point.
Then you come in with this gem:

Well those are some great results. 3 down. /sigh

So no case other than that I've been pretty scummy (with no reasons), and what I posted after the write up?

[Starbuck]

Well, I'll claim now because I'm already frustrated with this game and I tried to talk to afatchic and apparently it doesn't matter anyways.

I am/was a Townie Neighbor with Doombunny with a one-shot track ability that we didn't use because he never came to the QT last night. We had to decide together who we wanted to track and he never showed up and consequently died, so I lost the ability and am now pretty much just a VT.

[Starbuck]

I definitely don't think that Ani was a neutral survivor because of the following bolded line.

[quote="afatchic"]As the sun was going down on the first day for the town, they began narrowing down their suspects. Animorpherv1 slowly began getting pressured, until he finally cracked. As he was pushed up the the lynching rope, and was asked to claim, he put the rope around his own neck, and right before he jumped,

he yelled, "I'm a Doct..."[

/quote]

I do think he listed him as neutral because he was modkilled. I don't like that you just assume that though.

[Starbuck]

Failz on my code.

[Starbuck]

He died due to either mafia or an SK. I don't know if real life came up or not but he never showed up to the QT to talk to me about who we should track. The only way we could use it was if we both decided on the same person. I can't use it now because I had a person who didn't even care enough to come to the QT so we could use it.

[Starbuck]

Also it didn't help that afatchic PM'd me while I was sleeping and told me there was 2 1/2 hrs left in the night, and then the thread opened before I got up this morning. Things weren't laid out as clearly as they should be and it's why I'm frustrated and pissed off. I was seriously thinking about replacing out because it wasn't my fault that Doom never showed up and therefore lost us the power.

[Starbuck]

I'm being completely honest because I'm pissed off and I want the town to win. I wanted to be open and honest about everything now so later down the line, it can't be held against me. You guys are going down the wrong track by wanting to lynch me. I'm not scum. If you want to continue pursuing the lynch, so be it, but the scum are just going to be sitting back laughing their asses off.

[Starbuck]

Well it takes 5 to lynch now and I'm already at 2 votes, L-3.

I figured I'd save the confusion and crap of claiming at L-1 and claim now so it can be done and over with and we can lynch actual scum.

[Starbuck]

acceptable reasoning, however, you have offered nothing in the way of suspects.

And neither have you from what I've seen.

I need to do some re-reading.

[Starbuck]

What emotion? Other than the fact that I'm pissed that I had a horrible team member as a neighbor, I haven't been emotional at all.

[Starbuck]

for shits and giggles, perhaps his phone was full of texts that starbuck sent him and he never returned.

This. Exactly.

[Starbuck]

I am now at L-2 thanks to Faraday (who has yet to come back to state his case), MordyS (who also has a very week case via post 318), and Tjoe now.

I have already claimed and I'm town. I don't want to jump on the Tjoe train just yet because I feel that it would be OMGUS, but I'm going to do an iso read of him.

It bothers me that he's jumping on me for lurking but I've barely seen him in the thread.

[Starbuck]

We definitely don't need another zwet running around.

[Starbuck]

I'm not lurking. I was V/LA, and I did check in when I could. If that game didn't move more than a page or two, I could keep up.

I also wrote to the mod via PM just in case they were looking for me, and posted my V/LA in the V/LA thread which is what you are supposed to do. Not that it's any of your business.

I have never replaced out of any of my games, and if you need to see a history of my games and view my activity please go to my Wiki.

Can we get off this subject now? Or are you still going to focus on things not of this game?

[Starbuck]

Vote: Tjoe

For his lack of scumhunting and distractions.

[Starbuck]

Actually, if one neighbor is "usually" scum, then we CAN assume that is likely. Probabilities are a good play any day. And I don't know if neighbors are usually scum or not. I'd love for Boxman to explain himself. Also, if you reread, you'll see that I was quoting SK who said she's as close a thing we have to a confirm. And I believe some other players (DJ included) have mirrored that argument. So there are a number of people who believe she's a confirm.

I think you are confusing neighbors with siblings/lovers.

[Starbuck]

I am in GMT +1 and am also in the military. Last week we had a huge inspection which I posted about, but apparently that doesn't matter. If you guys want to lynch me, just do it. I'm growing tired of this back and forth bullshit and being labeled a lurker by someone who has been doing the exact same thing but not letting anyone know where he's at.

[Starbuck]

I would pop in to read up when I had a chance, but I didn't have any time to respond. I'm pretty sure you all have had times like this when you've played. But as I said earlier, I've never once dropped from a game or have I been replaced. Actually, I've replaced into a great number of games.

If I have something come up, I always let the mods know and I post in the V/LA thread. Just because someone's V/LA doesn't mean they can't at least read and stay up on things. Also, I have games going on that are moving very slow compared to this one, so it wasn't too hard to stay up on that. But I guess it doesn't matter.

At this point, he's using outside the game influences and not anything that's happened in the game.

As I said before, if you guys want to lynch me. I'll make it easy for you.

Unvote
Vote: Starbuck

I'm against self votes but this is getting ridiculous.

[Starbuck]

It's obvious that I'll never win this argument and I'm done. This game has become super unfun for me having a person in a town neighbors team with me that never showed up and cost us our ability, coming clean about all of that and still being doubted, and then having outside influences being used as a case.

[Starbuck]

I'm really not being emotional just telling it how it is. However, it bothers me that you were so quick to jump on that.

Unvote
Vote: DJ

[Starbuck]

Just do me the favor and lynch me instead of go through all this distraction. It's horrible for the town, and I want the town to win. If anything you guys will see that I am town, and see who was pushing my lynch.

[Starbuck]

Don't hammer me. I have a full on case of Tjoe that I need to post. I'm working on it in Notepad.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck - Faraday, Mordy, Tjoe, DJ, Boxman,

It is L-1.


He says that I posted in the V/LA thread on the 16th which I did.

On the 17th of September, my next 3 posts are posts in my various games that were moving quickly saying I was V/LA. I posted in 2 of my games which were moving slowly, and then put my V/LA post in another game. We are at 7 posts here in a matter of about a day, and 5 of those were me posting to say I'd be V/LA.

On the 19th of September, I checked in for a quick min on one of my active games once when I was drunk in the middle of my night around 1:45 am, and then once in the morning before I went out for the day. We are at 9 posts.

On the 20th of September, I tried to catch up a bit because I posted in all of my active games including this one (which is NOT Sept 25th as Tjoe is trying to manufacture). We are at 41 posts.

31 posts alone on the 20th of September in different games.

So I did not FINALLY show up on the 25th. I posted post 219, post 222, post 224, post 226, post 227, all on September 20th which was a Sunday which I was hoping to have free time to catch up so I did.

I posted in here on Friday as you said post 282.

36 fucking posts? Really? I have 17 posts between my last post on Sunday the 20th and Friday when I posted in the game, which is actually a lot less for me. Most of those posts are during my work day when I have a free chance to check in really fast and reply to something quickly.

I was V/LA but I was staying on top of things as I could because I did get very busy over the last couple weeks, but apparently you can't even check in when you are V/LA because it will be used against you, which is fucking hypocritical.

I'd also say with the fact that on average (depending on how many games I'm in) that I post about 20 to 31 posts a day vice 36 posts in a week would support that fact that I was V/LA. Apparently, you can't have a life outside of Mafiascum, and I will be making damn sure to never play a game with Tjoe.

If you want to hammer me or have me hammer me after this, I'm fine with that. I just want to help the town garner info and I think I have here. Unfortunately, my schedule did get in the way and I'll make sure never to play a game with Tjoe again for using outside of the game influences. It's fucking weak. Apparently, you can't even fucking check the site when you are V/LA and keep up on your slow moving games. Are we done analyzing my personal life and my real life? Or do we need to keep going over and over this? Are we going to keep letting stuff happening outside of the game fuck up what's going on inside the game?

Unvote
Vote: Tjoe

who is the real scum in this situation.

[Starbuck]

like I said before I won't discuss it anymore.

if you don't want to play with me...I can understand that and I apologize for ruining the game.

unvote

You just based your ENTIRE case on me because I was V/LA. Now you say you won't discuss it anymore?

And for the record, even with me being V/LA, I still have more posts than you have in this game.

To get technical, you have 23 and I have 48.

[Starbuck]

Wow. I didn't realize you were typically that active. Sorry.

It's okay. Not many people do.

I'm hitting my 6 year mark in the Navy at the beginning of November. I'm on shore duty currently, which means I don't go out on deployment and work bankers' hours typically. Still there are times where we do have inspections and things that come up where maybe for a week or so I can't dedicate the same amount of time as I normally do. But I always let my games know and post in the V/LA thread. I've had slight issues about it but this is the first time that it's been a damning thing.

As I said earlier, I've never been replaced in a game. I was contemplating it when Doom flaked on me, but I decided against it.

[Starbuck]

@starbuck :I live in different timezone. if there aren't people who happen to be online when I login....should I split my post into several post so that I can boost my post count?

This excuse will never work with me because I live in a different time zone. I'm an American living in Sicily. So try again there buddy.

[Starbuck]

Boxman - MordyS
DJ - Tjoe
Mordy - JereIC
SK - Spyre, DJ
Starbuck - Faraday
Tjoe - Starbuck, Boxman, SK


This is my current unofficial vote count.



So if the following is true:

I'm sorry but I didn't live in front of computer. I get online 1-2 times per day, may be 1-2 hours

Why in the fuck did you jump all over my ass? You started this shit you better finish it. This crap of "oh I'm not going to discuss it anymore" ain't cutting it.

in general...this case was made to test everyone's reaction. I wait for a day before I wanna start talking. and I believe some of you already start analizing.

Now, wtf Tjoe? All of that bullshit was to test reactions? I'm not believing it for one minute. You were trying your damnedest to get a case on me and you failed horribly. And since I proved you wrong, you are scrambling to backtrack and make yourself look alright again.


And another thing...

At this point, he's using outside the game influences and not anything that's happened in the game.

okay...I think this may go too far so I won't discuss this again....
but I'll watch you closely

How did this go too far? In my eyes, it "went too far" because it's true and is exactly what you were trying to do.

[Starbuck]

@Starbuck : What I mean is I won't talk about your "post record issue" again
I ask for your explanation and when you give it I consider it "done"

so what is wrong with other players doing the exact same thing?

now you said that it was "crap"
how about DJ and boxman who seems "interested" and think that it deserve L-2 and L-1?
I'm seeing this in two way :
1. DJ and/or boxman really convinced with my story
2. DJ and/or boxman is scum who wanna get a lynch

^^ somewhat of a false dilemma. can't speak for box, but my vote was due to the fact that you presented evidence which starbuck avoided dealing with. when she dealt with it, i removed my vote. if i were scum then why did i remove my vote so quickly? i.e. i could have easily lurked a page or so to see if somebody wanted to hammer, but as soon as i read starbuck's rebuttal i acquiesced.

And DJ, for the record, that's what I understood it as. Just so that's made known.

[Starbuck]

8)Quoting the Mod:

DO NOT post anything inside the thread that I tell you through PM or you will be mod-killed.

This means do not quote your role PM, do not comment about your role PM flavor, and do not quote any night action results. A general rule to go by: if I said something you feel should be posted in thread, ask me first!


wanna get me killed, DJ?

The only thing you can't do is nameclaim. You can role claim and point to a Mafiascum Wiki page or something like that.

Now I think that you are just stalling.

[Starbuck]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Inventor

The Inventor is makes various gadgets that can be given to other players. These can do anything from kill once during the game, to investigating once, to protecting the player from one death, to whatever else the Moderator can come up with. The Inventor can either start with all the items at the beginning of the game, or receive one every night or every other night to give out.

That's what's on the Wiki page, and that's what Tjoe is saying is closest to his role.

[Starbuck]

So pretty much I just claimed for you. Why couldn't you do that yourself?

[Starbuck]

So pretty much I just claimed for you. Why couldn't you do that yourself?

[Starbuck]

Sorry double post.

[Starbuck]

I'm not sure I believe this claim - a mini with an inventor who can give out 12 items? Sounds suspect. If he comes out and says who he sent an invention to and they corroborate his story, I might believe it.

Agreed. It seems way too powerful for a mini game.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck isn't "clear" but very little adds up with Starbuck scum killing her neighbor when the natrual extension is putting a whole MESS of suspicion on ones self.

I'm confused by this statement, what do you mean by this?

[Starbuck]

I can't wait for endgame for my alignment to be proven and for you guys to see that I am really town.

I wish I had someone who actually dedicated his time to the game so we could have actually used our ability. It's the reason I wanted to replace out because I feel like I'm being punished because he never showed up to the QT last night.

I wouldn't be surprised though if I am the NK tonight. Even though basically now, I'm just a vanilla townie.

[Starbuck]

I have a question for everyone. How did you feel about rolandgarros before he was replaced by Jere? And how do you feel about Jere?

[Starbuck]

I just haven't moved my vote yet. I'm doing some re-reading.

[Starbuck]

Unvote

I just haven't moved it.

Coming back from a long weekend, I'm still arranging my thoughts in Notepad.

[Starbuck]

Mod - Can we have an official vote count please?

[Starbuck]

So here's my issue with all this. Animo said was that he was Vin, doctor (I know, I know, bad bad name claims but it's out there). How likely is it that Vin would be a doctor in the first place? As a fan of the movies, this is something that I highly doubt.

[Starbuck]

Based on the info we gathered from Ani before he was modkilled and the info that we have on SK, I am definitely not feeling an SK lynch.

[Starbuck]

Based on the info we gathered from Ani before he was modkilled and the info that we have on SK, I am definitely not feeling an SK lynch.

can u elaborate?

I did here.

[Starbuck]

Because a good chunk of everyone is going off the fact that there can't be a doctor and a bodyguard in the same game. I definitely think that Animo was lying about being a doctor, and that a bodyguard is feasible.

[Starbuck]

So why exactly are you all wanting to lynch SK? I don't need a huge page of quotes. Just a general explanation.

[Starbuck]

w00t for someone replacing in who I know will be active!

[Starbuck]

I figured. I was wrong. I was figuring he'd either flip scum or flip some other kind of PR. I can understand if the town wants to lynch me based on that fact alone.

Although, someone is considerably bussing and I'd like a chance to help figure out who.

[Starbuck]

Here's the bandwagon from yesterday:

Shadow Knight-(5)- SpyreX, Boxman, don_johnson, MordyS, JereIC


Shadow Knight obviously didn't vote for himself, and I didn't because I did feel that Vince would not be a doctor, and so that a BG claim could be feasible. Obviously I was wrong, and Shadow fooled me pretty good.

I wanted to take a look at who hammered because I know that we really don't hear much from JereIC, and he just popped in quick enough to hammer and disappear again. It kinda bothered me.

It seems to be pretty opportunistic for him to come in and hammer his scum buddy and look like a hero.

[Starbuck]

I wanted to take a look at who hammered because I know that we really don't hear much from JereIC, and he just popped in quick enough to hammer and disappear again. It kinda bothered me.

I didn't disappear, the day ended. Sure, I should post more, but you can't accuse me of lurking when the thread is locked.

I wasn't talking about when the thread was locked. I was talking about your overall play since you have replaced in. You barely add to the conversation, and you post just enough to stay active.

[Starbuck]

Wow, this is quite the quick bandwagon.

[Starbuck]

I wasn't planning on hammering him, but I'm questioning the quickness of this wagon.

[Starbuck]

DJ, seems VERY overconfident today. I need to go back and re-read a bit.

[Starbuck]

you don't need to reread. you need to think of some more bullshit.

Your rudeness is not needed or warranted.

[Starbuck]

Sorry guys, for some reason my comp. hasn't wanted to load the MS page. I'll get to a votecount when i get home.

It's not just you. The site was down. They were doing maintenance to get ready to move to the new server.

[Starbuck]

I'm currently in work in Notepad and re-reading.

[Starbuck]

Wow, another quick bandwagon.

No one is even going to mention the fact that DJ is joining the bandwagons without cases of his own?

[Starbuck]

Also, I guess the fact that MS was down for almost a full day doesn't matter either?

[Starbuck]

We are at 27 pages and I'm re-reading back thru the game which definitely takes longer than an hour. I have Mozilla, so I have that nice tab thing open where I have this game open in one and the rest of MS in another (plus my other random sites in other tabs).

It's also about 3 am for me and I haven't been to bed yet. So I may not have this up until sometime tomorrow.

Currently though,

FOS: everyone on my wagon, for pushing for a quicklynch twice

[Starbuck]

DJ - Day 1

Day 1 - Vote History
He never RVS votes
Votes Boxman - For a semi decent reason, no complaints
Votes Animo - No reason, except his tagline (oh no he didn't, yes he did).


He has a significant amount of lurking all through this day, but I have been busy too so I can't really hold it against the guy. I didn't go back and count his posts because I'm not Tjoe, but it's worth mentioning.

I really don't have any issue with his posts at the beginning of the game until Post 214. Officially entering skim mode and then asking if someone will garner his vote instead of coming up with his own case?

He doesn't give reasons when he votes. He waits until questioned like when Faraday asks him why he's voting for Ani, he replies here.

[Starbuck]

DJ - Day 2

Lots of Vote Hopping on this day.

Day 2 Vote History
Votes Tjoe - No complaints about reasons here
Votes SK - Completely parrots off SpyreX
Votes Me - For no reason other than ad hom
ReVotes SK
Votes Tjoe - Even admits his vote hop here
ReVotes Tjoe - For no reason
Votes SK - Finally comes up with his own case, I am definitely getting the feeling of bussing here

i have to go with my gut here and think spyrex must be scum. sorry, man, but you should get whacked night one, all the time, when you are town.

He seems pretty certain here that Spyre is scum. Why the change of heart?



He says this:

i think starbuck is clear without a counterclaim.

someone should investigate her. lynching at this point is stupid. her role is as confirmed as it can be, and her alignment can be discovered other ways. continuing to push this angle is distracting from actual scumhunting imo, and the behavior itself should be indicative of lazy scum latching onto the "easy" suspicion.

But then says this?

i never said starbuck was "clear" due to her claim. i just said it was stupid to argue the truthfulness of it. shadow knight: wonderful omgus and deflection. i will ask you again, if the case is bad, debunk it for us.

He completely contradicts himself!

Then Tjoe brings up my post #s and he jumps all over that VERY opportunistically.

nice omgus. your scumhunting is magnificent. perhaps you would care to address the "case" presented by tjoe? you say you had no time to post. he has presented evidence of 36 posts during this time period. sounds like you had plenty of time. again: what gives?

This post directed towards Faraday bothers me:

faraday: so its scummy to pressure other players to respond to cases brought against them that contain tangible evidence?

you realize that you are now voting for someone who has backed off two wagons that were at L-1?

spyrex: lovin it. i am much surprised that oone is coming forward and acknowledging receipt of an item from our 'inventor". seems silly for him not to have used his ability last night, and if someone is witholding info then they are most likely scum so i see no reason for tjoe to be protecting his target here.

The bolded is very, very scummy.



You guys are all over me about suggesting that Vin seemed more like a bodyguard, but look at this:

^^ vin seems more like a bodyguard. i doubt ani was doc. i think he may very well have been scum.

DJ AGREED with me.

if we mislynch, we mislynch a power role regardless. we are all power roles. "bodyguard" isn't all that good anyway, if his ability works, it still doesn't clear anyone as we have no way of knowing who he's taking the bullet for.

I know this was talking about SK, but this is seriously scummy in my eyes. It seems like he doesn't care who is lynched (as his vote history shows, in my eyes) as long as someone is.



He also started using racial slurs here.

shadowkniggit wrote:

Mod - I find the above to be very offensive and out of line.

I also don't care for his constant ad hom attacks that are just rampant throughout his posts.

[Starbuck]

DJ - Day 3

Day 3 Vote History
Votes Boxman - For nothing other than: Oh no I didn't, Yes he did. But then asks Spyre here, why Boxman is being voted?
Votes Me - For no reason of his own other than "it wouldn't be a bandwagon without DJ" and then another rude remark.


Most of his posts so far today have added nothing to the conversation, and some just reek of overconfidence and cockiness, like scum close to a win, such as

how you like me now?

oh yeah. spyrex is waaaayyyyyyyy town!

^^ come on, now. we can't all be don_johnson.

He doesn't even know why he's voting Boxman??

vote: boxman

"oh no he didn't!"

yes. he did.

And the very next post...

ebwop: wait.

spyrex: why are we voting boxman?

DJ, seems VERY overconfident today. I need to go back and re-read a bit.

as opposed to when?

you don't need to reread. you need to think of some more bullshit.

Also, more adhom attacks and general rudeness.

[Starbuck]

Vote: don_johnson

For being inconsistent and contradicting yourself more than once

[Starbuck]

I'm not hammering myself. You guys are letting the scum lead you directly into LYLO.

[Starbuck]

I'm already claimed. There's nothing else I can do.

Great job scum, you'll deserve to win this game.

My fellow town, you guys definitely deserve to lose.

[Starbuck]

I'm not voting for myself because I'm not scum. You guys just discredited everything I said about DJ, even the fact that he did contradict himself. Everyone started voting for me because I wasn't working on my case on him, now that it's up, you don't care. So what's the point now of me doing all the extra work to answer questions when you are just gonna lynch me and FLIP TOWN anyways?

[Starbuck]

I'll be so glad when I flip and I can say I told you so.

[Starbuck]

Especially to those who said that I was as close as confirmed as anyone could be and then backtracked on that fact *coughDJcough*.

[Starbuck]

So the fact that Boxman and DJ jumped on the wagon with no reasons of their own doesn't bother you?

[Starbuck]

Also, what about the JereIC, who has been active lurker supreme who replaced rolandgarros who was definitely on the scummy side of the spectrum?

[Starbuck]

I have scumhunted and the fact that you say I didn't makes you a very poor town player. I pointed out legitimate facts about DJ. You can look up every single one of those quotes. I'm pretty sure no matter what I posted none of you would have cared anyways since you are all tunneling on me and no one else.

[Starbuck]

In answer to 662:

I defended SK, because it did seem odd to me that Animo would claim Vince and that Vince would be a doctor. Are any of you familiar with the characters of the first and fourth movie? A BG in this game did sound more feasible, and let's not forget that DJ did agree with me on that fact. I was definitely wrong, but you never saw me discount his scumminess.




In answer to 682:

1. Distancing. If they attack each other, most people will come to the conclusion that one of them is scum and the other is not. So when SK flipped scum, that pretty much cleared DJ for the rest of you.

2. I posted DJ's voting history. Look at his Day 2 and how much he jumps around, but always ended up back on SK. He seems to just want someone, anyone, dead.

3. Again, distancing.


Wait, so you think I'm trying to lynch anyone but myself? How do I look like that after DJ's Day 2 actions?

[Starbuck]

Deal with this tomorrow? Why are you stalling now?

[Starbuck]

I meant as in actual day. You've been pushing me to answer, and now that I have you are waiting until later to respond.

[Starbuck]

I would definitely like some insight from JereIC, KoC and Faraday.

[Starbuck]

Ok, just noticed this and figured it should be in the thread before the hammer comes down:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12532

Not sure the protocol on this kind of meta, but it absolutely seems germane.

How so? I'm asking a general question in the Mafia Discussion and I didn't name any of my roles. I'm also in six games currently. Should I have waited until I'm not playing any games to ask a general question? I thought that was what that forum was for.

If you read my Wiki, the games I'm currently in are listed but with no information about them other than what the game is, the mod, and the number of players.

Sounds like you are trying to pull a Tjoe by using things that are outside this game.

[Starbuck]

I'm gone for work meetings today but a few things I'd like to bring to light before this gets hammered through:

1.) The ONLY time Starbuck even pretends to discuss SK is the defense of him (iso 65, iso 66).
2.) Iso 27 heavily implies belief that Anim was, in fact, a doctor. Whereas 66 is using that flip to imply Anim was scum and thus SK is telling the truth.
3.) Repeated (I'm not even going to bother) defense of behavior by meta BUT then calls Tjoe out on "using outside game influences" AND then calls Mordy out for the same thing.
4.) You then have SK's behavior regarding Starbuck - one way defense is tech, TWO way defense is awesssome.
and then finally:
5.) You have the same, SAME, attack method that was used by SK on the case around them.

Yea. Get this done.

1. My thoughts were focused on other people than SK.
2. I don't understand what you are getting at here. Elaborate please?
3. Where have I used my meta at all? Serious Strawman here. I debunked Tjoe's case on me and he was using outside the game influences towards his case. Mordy is now doing the same thing because I posted a question in the general mafia discussion area.
4. Someone not talking about someone else isn't always a scum tell
5. WTF are you talking about? I would like you to list similiarities.

[Starbuck]

Also about #3, it wasn't anything to do with the games I'm currently in. My guess is that you have never read my Wiki, and therefore aren't doing your full background check.

The fact that you are both using outside the game influences now, bothers me. There's a reason why there's a general mafia discussion forum, and now I'm having shit given to me because I posted that question.

[Starbuck]

Who said anything about a third party?

Now I'm confused.

[Starbuck]

@SpyreX

1. You could go through every single person's posts and find someone who they maybe have mentioned once or twice.

2. You realize that afatchic corrected me after that because he used whatever that Ani said last before he was modkilled. I NEVER SAID "He wasn't a survivor, he was a doctor". I threw out a theory, and I was wrong, and I admit it. Most mods when they modkill make that person (whether scum or not) a neutral survivor. You've been on this site long enough that you should know that. Way to misrepresent me yet again.

3. My Wiki can show the fact that I've never been replaced, and that I do more replacing into games than I start from the beginning. For my iso 17, 19, and 39, that was during the time that Tjoe was trying to use outside the game influences about my posting on me, and iso 101 is when Mordy was reading my general mafia discussion thread. He only read that thread so I asked him if he ever read my Wiki to see what I was talking about in that thread. If you read that thread, and then read my Wiki, you will see what I am talking about.

Again iso 42, 43, 47 are about Tjoe's case, he WAS going after me for stuff outside the game, and 99, 101 again, were because Mordy was using a thread that I posted outside the game and wasn't referring to any of my current roles.

This part alone is chock full of misrepresentation of me because OUTSIDE INFLUENCES were being used repeatedly.

4. Yes, I know how damning it looks, but seriously, if I was scum with him, do you think that I would defend him at L-1? Absolutely not. I'd be doing whatever I could to distance myself from him, which is exactly what his partner/s did.

5. So how does this make any sense?

[Starbuck]

As I was reading back through, I found this little tidbit:

Yea this is scum stalling. A claim takes a minute. A fakeclaim takes a lifetime.

Eh. Not so sure about this. TMJ took some time to cough up and explain his claim. Also, I'll help you understand DJ.

He's hitched his apple wagon to your star. Whether or not this makes him scummy, I leave up to other players. It certainly rubs me the wrong way, though.

I'm wondering why now that Mordy doesn't really feel this way about DJ anymore.

[Starbuck]

I could? I could go through and find 60 posts without really mentioning someone and then them coming out to defend said player?

You could go through every person in this game's iso and find someone who they really didn't talk about much. Quit taking my words out of context.

No, you never SAID that "He wasn't a survivor, he was a doctor". But, we're not playing semantics. The implication is very clear.

How is the implication clear? It's not.



So why would the following not be an SK, but a vig? This is quite WIFOM-y.

I did mention here that I did acknowledge the fact of a third party. I said SK, but it could very well not be an SK.

Two kills after a survivor flip points at not an SK, but a vig.

but I was looking for the post in which you said it in, and I cannot find it. Can you link me please?

Now, at that point you very, very clearly were implying what you just said you never said (Posts 320 and 321 if someone wants to look at this debacle).

I said that I "DON'T THINK" that he was a neutral survivor. I NEVER once said that he couldn't be. Way to strawman.

So, yea, where in the name of anything is there even a pretending at a misrepresentation? Are you saying you never implied he was a doctor? Are you saying you somehow rectified that this was a theory before you used it to try and save SK?

I implied that he wasn't a neutral survivor. At first (because of the flavor in his kill post), I assumed that he was a doctor because that's what afatchic had written him up as saying. Afatchic later corrects us and says that he just used whatever was the last thing that Ani said. The last thing that Ani said was that he was a doctor, so I figured that since this whole game is PRs that Afatchic would not reveal Ani's role to us, and therefore paint them as a neutral survivor. I have seen this done once before in the Large Theme Death Note game that I played in. A modkill occurred and the mod didn't reveal the role of the person and just said they were a Neutral Survivor.

My posts about the SK lynch can be found in 577 and 583. I said "Animo said was that he was Vin, doctor (I know, I know, bad bad name claims but it's out there). How likely is it that Vin would be a doctor?". Who are you referring to in your question? You say "he" but you don't say whether you are referring to SK or to Animo.

I think you are mixing up what I said about SK and what I said about Animo.

You are double-handledly attempting to use meta as a defense from a case on avoiding the thread AND then condemning attacks that come from "outside influence".

Further, the point of that was simple. You accused me of strawmanning you by saying you've used meta when you haven't. You have. Be it in defense of "outside influences" or what have you this is what you've done.

Its a can of worms once opened that works both way. You are using it as a tool for survival, plain and simple. That does not fly.

How is the fact that I never have been replaced and that I replace into more games than I start part of my meta? It's fact, and can be easily found out. I would think meta is how you play and how you act in game, not how you end up in a game either by starting it from the beginning or replacing in.

Its not often I actually get to bring this out - but, hello WIFOM how are you today?

Further, if this is exactly what his partners did how does that equate to DJ's play if he is scum?

Double further, if you are now admitting that it "looks damning" why was your first response to say that it is not a scumtell?

How does it equate to everyone?

Let's look at all the bandwagons shall we?


Day 1 - Before the modkill, we have this:

animorpherv1-(6)-Faraday, RossWilliam, Doombunny9,

don_johnson, SpyerX, MordyS

Day 2 -

Shadow Knight-(5)-

SpyerX

, Boxman,

don_johnson, MordyS

, JereIC

Day 3 -

Starbuck-(4)-

MordyS, SpyerX, don_johnson

, Boxman

Look who's all on bandwagons every single day.

[Starbuck]

Sorry, I had to travel from home to work....now to finish...

Double further, if you are now admitting that it "looks damning" why was your first response to say that it is not a scumtell?

When did I say that it didn't look damning? Please refer to Post 597 because this is not a new revelation as you claim it to be.

How does voting for DJ after what you did make sense as town looking for scum versus scum trying to survive?

Because DJ has committed some very questionable behavior as I highlighted in my iso read of him, and I'm not the only one who has thought so, see Post 737.

How does, if town, not taking umbrage at the case but DJ make sense after watching the flipped scum do the exact same thing?

I really don't get the wording of this question. Can you rephrase please?

How does voting for DJ over other players make sense with what you've said in this post?

Because I do find DJ to be the scummiest, but as of late you are starting to creep up there as well.


Refer to my bandwagon list in 738, and then go back and read my iso analysis of DJ and see how he jumped onto each of those bandwagons.



The Animo bandwagon - Post 228

vote: animorphery

"oh no he didn't!"

yes. he did.

The Shadow Knight bandwagon - Refer to Post 672 for my full analysis of his play on Day 2. He voted 7 different times on Day 2. 3 times for Tjoe, 3 times for SK, and once for me.


The Starbuck bandwagon - Post 665

well then. it wouldn't be a bandwagon without don_johnson!

unvote, vote: starbuck

oh, i'm sorry. was that rude?

[Starbuck]

I'm leaning on DJ and Jere, but on Jere, it's only because he's been so quiet and that I found rolandgarros very scummy before he replaced out.

[Starbuck]

Hey Starbuck why are you using bandwagoning on known scum as a negative thing. Also you just point it out, what conclusions do you draw from it.

The scum bandwagon wasn't for negative purposes but I didn't want to leave it out when I was pointing out the pattern that I saw.


And that's my bad, I had to leave for work, so I figured I'd post what I had already written and finish it when I got to work.

I think it's really odd that all three of them are on every bandwagon. The thing that bothers me most is DJ's entrance onto all of the bandwagons. I've had a town read on Mordy since around Day 2, but Spyre lately has my scumbells ringing.

[Starbuck]

Boxman has been way quieter than I'm used to him being. I almost keep forgetting that he's in this game.

[Starbuck]

Is that absolutely necessary? Do you have no tact at all?

[Starbuck]

I'm wondering why now that Mordy doesn't really feel this way about DJ anymore.

Are you kidding, Starbuck? For future reference, if you want to know why people find you scummy, look back at comments like this. I've clearly said in the last couple pages that I find DJ scummy, but that I don't find him scummy enough to deal with at the moment. You completely mischaracterize people's positions (not just mine), which gives the impression of scum flailing.

Why is he not scummy enough to deal with at the moment? I know you've been mentioning it, but you never care to elaborate, which is why I posted that.

[Starbuck]

fun fact: there is no character named vin in the fast and furious film series according to the wiki. in fact, vin is the name of the actor playing dominic, who is brian's friend in the movie. brian is the confirmed scum in this thread.

There is a character named Vince though. Time to go reevaluate your Wiki.

[Starbuck]

SpyreX, holding you up as a model of townie play is like holding zwetschenwasser up as a model of consistency. IT. JUST. DOESN'T. WORK.

I completely love this analogy.

[Starbuck]

Okay, semantics isn't necessarily the best word here - you're arguing points ENTIRELY unrelated to my accusations against you (such as Starbuck) with the clear intent of proving me wrong(which you haven't) on one irrelevant point, and using that one irrelevant point to somehow toss down my accusations against you, the majority of which have gone unanswered.

This is what they have been doing all game.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck: Why do you like KoC's SpyreX : Townie play :: Zwet : consistency analogy? Do you have any posts by SpyreX that are not good townie play? I also can't help but notice you've dropped your case against DJ as soon as KoC started posting seriously.

How did I drop my case? I'm still voting for DJ.

I like the analogy because I have suffered through many games with zwet, and I understand the analogy.

[Starbuck]

you're just makin' shit up as you go along. you've been doing it all game.

That's quite the accusation. Care to provide examples?

[Starbuck]

people weren't "playing" on the silences. someone made a case against her when she claimed that she didn't have time for this game. the evidence presented was presented in a way which made it look like star was lieing about the reasons surrounding her inactivity. she refused to address what was a completely and entirely refutable case based on time-stamped posts. it was her refusal to address the case which brought more pressure. when she chose to address the case and did so in a way that showed the case was poor, suspicion naturally moved to the player who had made the case. i am not the only player who followed this line of suspicion by a long shot.

she didn't answer the questions levelled at her until pressure was applied. if we agree, then we agree that starbuck has only responded to pressure and nothing more.

when did I ever say that I "didn't have time for this game"? I want you to find a post of mine where I said that I didn't have time for this game.

I went V/LA because I had a big inspection at my command. Quit making things up. How about the fact that Tjoe was stating that I made 36 posts during the time that I was V/LA when really I only made 17. You may need to read over Post 401 to refresh your memory because I completely debunked Tjoe's case.

Pretty much you guys are saying that if you don't live on MS 24 fucking 7 that someone is automatically scum.

You also wonder why I didn't want to respond. It's because I HAD POSTED A V/LA and that TJOE WAS TRYING TO USE MY REAL LIFE AGAINST ME. His case had nothing to do with what was going on in the game and considering his lack of participation, he seemed to be trying to take the easy way out. In a week, I normally have much more than 17 posts. I consider a good chunk of everyone here as experienced, and the fact that you guys never picked up on this really bothers me.



@JereIC - It's really easy to come back from lurking the whole game to jump on the bandwagon of the person who's got the most votes.

It doesn't seem right that everyone is jumping all over me about my "silences" when Jere has been quieter than any of us here. From September 23rd (when Jere joined the game) until his last post (October 21st), he only has 24 posts.

ISO 1 & 2 on Sept 23rd
ISO 3 on Sept 25th
(4 days of silence here WITHOUT a V/LA post)
ISO 4 on Sept 29th
ISO 5 on Sept 30th
ISO 6, 7 & 8 on Oct 1st
(3 days of silence here)
ISO 9 on Oct 4th
ISO 10, 11 on Oct 5th
ISO 12 on Oct 7th
ISO 13 & 14 on Oct 8th
(Another 4 days of silence WITHOUT a V/LA post)
ISO 15 & 16 on Oct 12th
ISO 17 on Oct 13th
ISO 18 on Oct 14th
(Another 4 days of silence WITHOUT a V/LA post)
ISO 19 on Oct 18th
ISO 20 on Oct 19th
ISO 21 & 22 on Oct 20th
ISO 23 & 24 on Oct 21st

Jere has a lot more time of silence than I do, and you guys are still giving me shit about my one week of V/LA. So how come all of that is still being held against me, but nothing is/has been said about Jere? That's quite hypocritical.

[Starbuck]

Although, since this is the post RIGHT ABOVE the one we're talking about this is code for I'm not even looking at what I posted then. Fine, though.

I'm still a little stung at the snipe at me and I'm trying to not let that cloud things but I don't get being that forgiving on Starbuck (especially since by any reasonable measure Italy hasn't been a factor in overall-site contribution) AND that abrasive towards DJ.

Instead of being an arrogant, ignorant ass (yes, I know full of ad hom, but it's what I feel at the moment), why don't you just answer a question? Before this game, I really enjoyed playing with you, now I won't ever be in a game that you or DJ are in. So where I have I been abrasive at any point other than trying to deal with how awful you two have been to me all game? The game of mafia is supposed to be heated, yes, but you guys have been nothing but rude, untactful, and have made this game very unenjoyable.

I read that post, but I wasn't sure if you were referring to a completely different one, which is why I asked you for the link.

You said that SK's partners would be trying to distance from him. Distance = bussing then?

What a better way to distance yourself from your scum buddy than by hunting them down being on their lynch and them flipping scum, therefore making you look like a hero, which is why I definitely can see a DJ/SK scum team.

SK jumped all crazy pants all over DJ in an effort to try and save himself. You have opted to do the exact same thing. Patterns do have meaning.

Well, if other people think I'm scummy and vote for me, then my flip will prove that patterns don't have a meaning. Also, you seem to be very concerned with defending DJ, it almost seems like you are defending DJ for DJ, and that really bothers me.

I think Starbuck has a moderately higher chance of being scum. The neighbor claim and the track being what they are I could see an early push to track someone scummy (like SK) and the kill being there to stop that from happening. And, well, this whole debacle today.

I don't know if you realize this or not, but I was ready to replace out at the beginning of Day 2 when Doom never showed up to the QT. I never got to use my ability because I had a shitty partner.

[Starbuck]

Another note, Faraday and Boxman only ever seems to pop in when it's convenient for them to do so.

[Starbuck]

Now going back to read Boxman in ISO...


From the beginning Boxman said that he was suspicious of Mordy, Kodamma and DJ via this post.

Playing with Boxman previously, he is normally a lot more upfront about his suspects this game, he seems to be sitting back and letting others do the work for him.

Boxman on DJ

How do you go from this:

This is the first time he mentions DJ:

don_johnson: Third person to vote for me, 2nd on the quick bandwagon. Has made some large, content-filled posts since then. Since I like his posting, I'm leaning town here.

He doesn't discuss DJ again until here where he says he likes DJ's defense against SK's case, but then he doesn't mention DJ again until here:

Anyway, I think Mordy and dj are the most suspicious right now. This is based off my suspicions from yesterday.

To This:

It also colors my feelings about dj - SK was pushing especially hard for dj's lynch. Either there was some major bussing going on, or dj is not a member of the mafia. I feel it is the latter.

Yeah, I doubt that dj is scum after the whole SK thing. I just can't see a scum trying to bus another under almost no pressure.

dj I currently see as town for the whole SK thing.

Boxman on Mordy

How do you go from this:

MordyS: Same symptoms as Kodamma - voting three times in his first three game posts. Also on the quick bandwagon. A few fairly large posts, but I'm leaning scum. Not as bad as Kodamma, but still leaning scum.

And then we have Mordy and Tjoe. Tjoe always acts like this, apparently, so that leaves Mordy. Like Jere said, you seem to be bent on killing Starbuck. Why? I'm personally not getting that much of a scum vibe from the claim, and a few scumtells here and there doesn't necessarily indicate scum. That said, 2 Neighbors usually does include a scum, but we can't assume that.

Vote: MordyS

I was suspicious of you yesterday, and today just makes me think you're scum.

I'm good with either a Mordy or a SK lynch. I am not game for my own for obvious reasons. It's late now, but I'll see who's more suspicious tomorrow.

To This:

I have to admit, just by looking at Mordy's posts, I don't have much of a case on him aside from his vote early on and a few things here and there. Other than that, I see him as neutral-town.

Back to this:

Anyway, I think Mordy and dj are the most suspicious right now. This is based off my suspicions from yesterday.

Then back to this:

As far as the others, I see Spyre, KoC, and Mordy as town currently.

Boxman on Me

How do you go from all of this:

Starbuck: Not very many posts, but I can see where she might be suspicious. I like her posting, so I give her a neutral-town read.

I'm willing to believe Starbuck's neighbor claim for now, but it definitely doesn't clear her. I'm not suspicious of her at all, though, so I'll roll with it for now.

I'm personally not getting that much of a scum vibe from the claim, and a few scumtells here and there doesn't necessarily indicate scum. That said, 2 Neighbors usually does include a scum, but we can't assume that.

Uh, just because 1 neighbor is usually scum doesn't mean we should lynch claimed neighbors on sight. She came out and claimed early when she didn't need to. That earns her town points from me. I'm honestly more thinking that she's town.

To This:

Your hop onto my Day 2 wagon here is especially scummy. I love how you flip from all the above quotes to this. Then once I explain myself, you hop right off.

Back to This:

Starbuck has a very interesting interaction with SK. Defending him at L-1 is weird, but I don't feel it is extremely suspicious. It is worth noting, however.

Then to this:

I'm assuming you don't want a claim out of me anymore, but I'm looking over SK's posts and, considering Starbuck's move to help him at L-1, it does make her look suspect.

(I cut out the middle about DJ)

Star isn't posting much in this game either - little scumhunting aside from pushing the suspicion on her onto Tjoe, who is probably the closest thing to clear we have.

That said, she is the only person to come forward and claim neighbor - however, neighbors can be and often are scum.

I have no qualms about putting Starbuck at L-1.

Vote: Starbuck

Starbuck I think is SK's scumbuddy.

And you guys say that I was flip flopping?

[Starbuck]

When I flip town, if I ever get hammered, I want all of the townies to go back and see what I said about each person, in hopes that we can pull out a win because right now, it's looking very bleak for our village.

[Starbuck]

Just voting isn't making a case. From post 752 to the time of my post, you made only one comment regarding DJ, and that was a relatively non-aggressive point about Vin being short for Vincent. But KoC has made lots of posts about DJ, and you seem to have been coasting while he has (he's also been taking some of the pressure that was directed at you).

This post alone proves to me that you have not been paying attention to anything in this game. You obviously have not been keeping track of anything anyone says.

I MADE my case on DJ. I posted three posts about his play on each game day, and you know what, just because I'm a nice person, I'll link you to them.

Starbuck's Take on DJ during Day 1
Starbuck's Take on DJ during Day 2
Starbuck's Take on DJ during Day 3

And look, here's the post where I voted him, right after I posted the above 3 posts.


So now, am I "just voting" still or did I make a case?

And for the record, all of those posts occured before post 752, which you cite.


So explain to me how in the fuck I have been coasting? Because with your play and your constant absence, you shouldn't be accusing ANYONE here of coasting.

[Starbuck]

Ignoring IS a scumtell.

[Starbuck]

I reposted my case because Jere said he never saw it and said that I was just voting you with no reasoning behind it.

[Starbuck]

I reposted my case because Jere said he never saw it and said that I was just voting you with no reasoning behind it.

so then: what am i ignoring?

According to this:

also, the two "cases" she seems to have posted read more like summaries than anything investigative. if she flips town then i will surely read over what she has been contributing, but at this time i am convinced she is flailing scum.

Anything I say. Even things that aren't about you.

[Starbuck]

JereIC is the only one not voting. Afraid to hammer me to see what I flip?

It'll only be good things for the town because once I flip, the rest of town will know who to go after.

[Starbuck]

Now after re-reading JereIC and then him accusing me of coasting when that's all he's been doing all game. I'd say Jere.

[Starbuck]

I find it strangely odd that he's not voting yet.

[Starbuck]

I did answer questions.

Good job hammering a town-aligned Neighbor!


Do me a favor town, if Jere doesn't die during the overnight, please take him out tomorrow.

[Starbuck]

No bah from me.

Just, I told you so.


See y'all at end game.

[Starbuck]

So were all of the inventors items Bulletproof vests?

[Starbuck]

JereIC: Dominic (Mafia Goon)
Shadow Knight: Brian (Undercover Cop/Double Agent. Godfather)
Animorpherv1: Vince (Mafia Goon)

Glad to see that I'm right when it comes to the fact that Animo WAS NOT a Neutral Survivor. Yes, I was wrong on his alignment, but I was right to think that he wasn't one.

[Starbuck]

As a fan of the movies, as I know you are, afatchic, I really can't see this setup.

I mean, how could Letty and Mia not be on the same team as Dom, Vince and Jesse? I mean Letty is as part of the team as any of the guys. I could see Brian being a double agent/survivor type role, and Johnny (being the antagonist in the first movie) being a serial killer, and the truck drivers being the mafia.

[Starbuck]

But you could do a reversal style game where the truck drivers were the "scum" (like 3 drivers), and that the rest could be "village". It could very well work.

[Starbuck]

KoC, that's only because you know how I play by now. =)