Mini 849 - Return to Smalltown Y - Over

[~Jordan`]

um...what?

so you know Im a martial artist.

/wonders which mafia he signed up for this is.

[~Jordan`]

oh i see.

my name is

Bruce the Martial Artist

, and it looks like you dont know exactly what I can do...

(i guess all you have to do is look at old mafias, but idk)

Somethin tells me I can't talk all educated-like here.

But if I can, I went to college as an English and Chou Mung major.

THis is MY hood, and you little cops only think you matter.

[~Jordan`]

oh, there we go

it could be Bruce, the martial artist (played by Grimmy). He has sworn to defend his fellow citizens. Every night, he chooses someone to protect. Using his expertise in karate, he keeps his charge from being killed. But his trusting nature makes him vulnerable. If he protects an enemy, he will be stabbed in the back.

[~Jordan`]

Ah...I want to be as good at acting as Snow_Bunny.

Works up his acting skills...

Calm. Meditation...Self Mutilation for the sake of my allies...<emits meditatory moan, not to be confused with the like>

[~Jordan`]

Hi, my name is

Jack

and I'm your hit man. Gangsta to the core, and can't wait to kill me a cop, or better yet that bitch Tina.

"murder is an evil thing which stains the soul." Karateman Wisdom

Instead, we simply must tear out their eyes and thumbs, punishing them, preventing from doing their sin again, and probably killing them anyway, but not with purpposeful hands...

[~Jordan`]

Hi, my name is

Jack

and I'm your hit man. Gangsta to the core, and

can't wait to kill me a cop,

or better yet that bitch Tina.

Quoted for future reference.

amen.

also, pointing out that possibility will probably change the likelihood of it occurring, probably in a sporatic way.

[~Jordan`]

i think the schizophrenic part is Rose. but i agree. Now to end the small talk and get to the game.

[~Jordan`]

A-ohm...

Young ones, do not break that which causes joy. Mere ignorance will break the game, and I trust all of you to be intelligent w/ your abilities and never rely on the ghastly term "luck".

As a rule, I refrain from judging poeple during the pre-game, especially those who do not act serious. Let it be known that these Cops cannot defeat the beauty which is our civilization. We are the true protagonists...we cannot fail.

[~Jordan`]

Young one. While you drive past the coffee shop, keep an eye out for the meaning of life...oh, and, uh, bring me something back, too. I'm hungry.

[~Jordan`]

Young ones, "Adopt the pace of nature: her secret is patience."

[~Jordan`]

At least it's not the mayor flaking unlike a previous debacle.

As a wiseman once said: "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong."

Alas.

Lol, brainy quotes makes this so easy.

[~Jordan`]

If it were not we were all acting spammish and jokingly, I would karate chop you all.

[~Jordan`]

QFT

Thinking about powers day one wont get us anywhere, if they're scummy (whether they have a good power or not) they should be lynched.

/agrees. Still...if you want to base a town on his ability...(/points at brave martial artist).

Alas, it is time to be serious.

[~Jordan`]

i hate this. Dont we have a cop around, too?

[~Jordan`]

sure. I'll risk my life for the sake of the town. thats what martial artists do. But still...i dont want a no lynch. MOre discussion sounds good though.

[~Jordan`]

Hm...I'd like to ask that the split-personality girl doesnt use her ability for a while until we end up with 2 ideal mafia, plz. Don't ever use it planning to act doc. But I'm sure you knew that. Just saying; if you use ur ability w/o good reason, I'm gonna karate chop yo face.

I've decided who I'm gonig to protect already, unless I decide to risk my life to "scan" a player.

Queston to Mod: WIll I know the result of my Night Action if I get nightkilled that same Night? (i.e. I protect scum and die, but a night lynch was already planned against me?)

[~Jordan`]

who should chloe use her ability on?

[~Jordan`]

ZombieTom can just peep into others' rooms and see who used their abilities on that player. Is that really very useful?

Lemme think for a sec...

[~Jordan`]

Hm...I'm guessing Chloe wont allow the criminal mastermind to scan twice, but instead use 2 robots in 1 night.

I could have double doc powers...But then if I die, we may not know which is scum. It could be one of them or even both of them. If I can use it on a confirmed townie and a possible mafia...that'd be nice.

NOw I need to think a little more...

[~Jordan`]

Question to mod: can I protect myself?

No.

[~Jordan`]

The mod is editing the questions as we go?

answer my question.

CAN I PROTECT MYSELF?

NO!!!!!!

[~Jordan`]

Ok, I checked my PM's and xofelf is right. I can now assure you that I can use all the droids I want even in a single night. Hence I confirm that Chloe would give me potentially 2 kills, 2 investigations and 2 saves, if I wanted to play all my cards in a night. But this is pure speculation.

I am still convinced that my plan involving Chloe, the Zombie and Bruce would guarantee three nights of watcher's activity, if none of them is scum. I could investigate the Zombie in order to know if we can trust him, and the course of the events would probably make it evident if any among me and the three aforementioned people is scum (of course this would be fail iff me and the Zombie were both scum, but I have a feeling all the plans would have a similar problem).

This is my proposal. What do you people think about it?

*Robin lights a cigarette and takes some other pills, then she starts working with her laptop*

No. You ONLY HAVE 1 ROBOT.

[~Jordan`]

eh. Ok. Lets get to scumhunting.

I'd like to guess the cops have decent abilities that will help their mafia-ness, but it cant be as simple as that, since few of our abilities ar actually good.

Vote Snowbunny

Distract us with your humor if you will. But nothing about your role says "Prob town". I'd like to have our peeper peep on her from time to time, with unannounced visits. I wonder how a split personality undresses...

Focusing again. I am the martial artist, and I will stay focused!

if lewarcher mafia, i hate this setup.

I didnt say who I was gonna protect; i have an ida, but just that.

Also, to confirm me, tom can peep on me too, that bizombie, him. That will help show my honesty, as I plan to use my ability nightly in a obv protown way.

[~Jordan`]

I'd like to guess the cops have decent abilities that will help their mafia-ness, but it cant be as simple as that, since few of our abilities ar actually good.

2. Three characters have been

randomly selected

to be undercover policemen (mafia).

Well that makes the game funner I suppose and rubs out my the part of my vote where I say snowbunny has a scummy ability. Still enough, for the RVS-comparable reasons I said earlier, my vote stands.

SPAM is the only thing I can point at and say scummy. We need progress b4 we can get a viable lynch. No lynch is currently illogical, especially w/ Tina around. She'll ruin any Night layout we plan, so its better off to keep it to ourselves.

Dont completely understand her ability much, but prob b/c i havent read into it enuff.

Reading it again.

[~Jordan`]

has David even posted? oh. say, could you put player name along w / role name in aruments in such?

[~Jordan`]

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen! My name is

David

, and I have something

very

special planned for you all... Let's not get ahead of ourselves, however, as that's for another time... To get started, I will start with a prediction! Yes, that's right!

I predict that

Jack

is, indeed, Tina! Oh, you think I'm wrong, do you? Well, we'll see...we'll see...

Now, my grand audience, let the show begin!

that does sound scummy.

unvote; vote egruntz

you cant lynch for a single post and lurkhood, though. Can you?

I just want to hear from whoever David is eventually...

[~Jordan`]

Just a reminder, you have to vote character not player...
And I'd like to reserve judgement(and votes) til everyone gets a chance to say things.
Like, what happened to dear Eleanor? When was she last seen? And I didn't eat her, I promise.

i thought I read that it was optional. Whatev.

/confirm vote Mary Rose

Its a gilapidated random vote. Don't get so technical.

I want to reason from the following: tina can abuse this easily, and so can she if she's scum. Also, her posts are cute and all, but they don't really help the game. I like to add reason to my random votes, so activity can be espoused from them.

[~Jordan`]

lol. I'm just trying to start the gameplay rather than the Night Planning and junk.

I mean, seriously? What real clues have we gotten so far?

[~Jordan`]

lol. I'm just trying to start the gameplay rather than the Night Planning and junk.

I mean, seriously? What real clues have we gotten so far?

We have no clues, you are right, but Mary and Rose are right too.
A random vote should be random, and they are not the most terrible threat. They are not more dangerous than me, and the three of us are not as dangerous as Jack, imo.

I suppose. I tend to find that random voting causes more...of a response than just "vote snowbunny b/c I can". I don't expect people to vote w/ me neways for a bullish reason like that.

Nonetheless, I loved the response and feel like I got (something) from it w/o getting mislynched.

[~Jordan`]

Jack is too obv. lol.

[~Jordan`]

One character is Tina, the mysterious Killer from the last game. She is able to kill AND roleblock one player AND preform his/her usual night choice. Tina's NK is invisible to investigators, but it can be blocked and/or healed.

Thats the rule of Tina.

If she were Jack, I'd be amazed at the mod. Chances of this occurring, and the mod allowing it too, are slim. Thus I trust the novia scotch dropper.

[~Jordan`]

i agree with snow-bunny on that

and still...fate sux. It has to be controlled. I wont put jack beyond scum and tina=scum, so doesnt erally matter much.

[~Jordan`]

i agreed w/ this:

"And Eleanor: That is scummy what you propose. Why, which is the most harmful role to town? It all depends. In the end, that kind of discussion will end up putting all of us against ourselves, and we won't be able to do anything against the cops or Tina like that. "

and that other thing basically says that Tina is scum and Cops are scum, so we can just lump them up.

Time to actually start scumhunting I think.

[~Jordan`]

Meh. These peole are too inactive. So far, I've got a reading on Eleanor and Mary Rose, and perhps even tony...

[~Jordan`]

Few posts whole game:
David (egruntz)
Carmen (springlullaby)

Active: (contrivutes to the game on an often basis)
Charles (imaginality)
Robin (lewarcher)
Ralph (rashiminos)
Chloe (Snix)
Mary (Snow_Bunny)
Eleanor (Stark)
Jack (TonyMontana)
Zombie Tom (xofelf)
Martial Artist Bruce (Jordan`)

Spammers:
skitzo

and w/ that I start looking for scum tells

[~Jordan`]

if we can make a plan, we can /lynch those who do not follow it.

The cops have to arrest someone, and not use a night action. Tina is, well, tina. She'll be smart and use her n ight action like we tell her.

Planning is good.

I'll come up w/ one ASAP that you can all critique and call scummy.

[~Jordan`]

I've made up my mind. We should plan. And now seriously people. Tina is the sole neutral. how can i be in "liege" with her?

I'm just saying we can't decide if a player is Tina based on their night actions, unless they do something we know they can't do. Working on my list of suggestions for our plan, so we can really get going. Some people shouldnt be ordered, some people should stay put, and most people should use their night action if they can. The cops have to forgo their night action to make an arrest. I think that is key.

[~Jordan`]

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Game Status: Day 1, 12 alive, 7 to lynch

Living Players (12):
Zombie Tom the Peeper - If your town, you can make sure everyone stays honest. If you aren't, we have to be wary of your lives. It's imperative you keep our trust if you are town. Use your ability on the most likely nightkill targets. We should discuss that too.

David the Magician - NEVER DO THIS. WE WILL LYNCH YOU IF YOU DO. If David is scum, he almost has a nightly kill ability. If someone doesnt attack the person he "protects" that person is killed. Dangerous. Watch him.

Charles the Kidnapper - Hm...this makes me think. We should have you make your action Nightly, to be sure you never arrest. But we need to discuss who.

Bruce the Martial Artist- ah. I love my ability. What I'll basically do is protect the most important and/or dangerous people nightly, confirming as many as I can until a scum stabs me in my back. We could choose who I protect, but that makes things complicated. As a doc, I'll be a compulsive liar trying to use my statements to protect as many players as possible. Actually,

a question to mod: if I protet a scum and die b/c of that, will the player who backstabbed me be announced?

No.

If not, yes; I will announce who I doc b4 the Day ends.

Robin the Genius- our one shot cop, vigilante, and doc. With all your options, your night action has to be discussed. But as stated, I'd like as many players as possible to use an abilty in the night, so we can be sure that player did not make an arrest.

Ralph the Cab Driver-(played by Rashiminos).

@mod: is this defined as kidnapping?

No.

He can swap any 2 players but himself. That's an annoying ability. However, I prefer that every player use an ability who can w/o obv detrimenting the town. Therefore, he SHOULD use his ability tonite, to make sure he isnt cop.

Should we tell him who?

Also, luckily, players can use their abilities EVEN WHEN HE DOES THIS. But we need to make sure his action is controlled; of no detriment to the town. If he does this, /lynch that *****!

Wade the Coward - (played by skitzo). He can protect himself whenever he wants, but has cooldown of 1 Night. We can't monitor his actions and motives easily. Telling him to protect himself tonite would be stupid. Telling him not to is also stupid. If he arrests, we won't know its him.

Chloe the Poet - (played by Snix). She can double a player's Night Action. This is one we can monitor, as its effect will be obv. This is one we should order around, or at least should tell us what she's gonna do the day b4 she does. She can’t, however, inspire someone who’s been distracted or kidnapped (role blocked or one of our annoying kidnapping abilities). The latter is good. That means if one of our kidnappers is scum, he can't abuse chloe if she decides on a target.

Mary Rose the Split Personality - Hm. Obv you'll never use that to protect a player. You'll have to forgo your night action, unless we can assume someone is scum.

Carmen the Burgular - ugh. Don't use it unless you are dead sure, and when I say dead sure, I mean completely sure. Especially if its on a player with a good abilty. I'll guess all your ability usage will be announced, or at least the players targetted will know. So make sure you know we will be watching you. Still...we should consider using this against Jack after he uses his ability for the first time.

Eleanor the Socialite- a neutral ability that has no real effect on the town, but to help her own scumhunting/scum-being-ness. Use your ability whenever you can. If you don't, we may consider the cop arrest yours.

Jack the Hit Man- you will use your ability once, and then we will have carmen burglarize you. And that's that.
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Important Scumfinding Info:

Each night, one of the cops must drop their act, and make an arrest.

Tina still kills with a poison, and she still dances to distract her enemies. And now, she has assumed the guise of someone else, and can perform that person’s night action as well.

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We actually have the potential to break the game, the way I see it...

If Robin, Jack, Mary, David, all kill a player tonite, and one(not robin) is boosted by Chloe, along with our lynch and the 2 nightkills (tina and cop), that will be...8 kills in 1 night. And we have 12 people this game. So yea.

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For now we discuss the Night. I believe this will help recieve maybe a few scumtells while making sure we don't make dumb mistakes tonite. We need precision.

Main Discussion Topics: Chloe, Tom, Robin, Jack, Ralph.

Superhuge Post thx to the massive info mod gives us. I hope its helpful...

[~Jordan`]

i still think we should discuss the main points.

For example: under which occassions SHOULD chloe choose different targets?

also...I don't think we need to be random. We have a good number of pages. Lets do some scumhunting.

I'll go first, lemme create my offensive.

[~Jordan`]

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen! My name is

David

, and I have something

very

special planned for you all... Let's not get ahead of ourselves, however, as that's for another time... To get started, I will start with a prediction! Yes, that's right!

I predict that

Jack

is, indeed, Tina! Oh, you think I'm wrong, do you? Well, we'll see...we'll see...

Now, my grand audience, let the show begin!

this is a strange, scummy post. It sure doesnt look like a joke.

Apparently our little friend here believes Jack is Tina. This is his sole post. Also, he has something "special" planned for us all. Also sounds like he's hiding something.

Either he has an additional role the mod didnt tell us, or he's scum. Either way, he is david the magician, barely-a-secret night killer.

vote David

You forgot to Unvote

[~Jordan`]

um...also we'll be killing the wrong people b/c there was no switch.

we'll have to not plan the night. Tina will find the chink in our plans and abuse it.

So maybe we cant plan...that sux.

[~Jordan`]

my feeling about Bruce's lack of coherence keeps growing and growing... but as Ralph said, the activity from some roles needs to pick up.

what am i doing wrong?

[~Jordan`]

so indecsion is a big enough scumtell to be lynched apparently?

i'm not sure. I just wonder if a plan is possible. If it is, ofc we should make one.

And arent you supposed to vote random first, and THEN to logic? thats what RVS is..??

[~Jordan`]

I believe I've read a few posts saying I'd be lynched if it were not for my role.

I would point out a few hypocrisies and such, but for now I want to think more about dave. His post was quite cryptic...

Also, I may be V/LA for at most 2 days. However, probably not even 1.

[~Jordan`]

That is just plain stupid. Mary Rose did the same thing, except exactly what ur saying. You do know we all know eachother's posts? I was just trying to start the conversation on how to keep the town honest by controlling their night actions.

Also: After thinking a bit, I really hate the chain. Its too easily...broken. And if it is, we basically let the mafia decide which to kill as they alter the chain to their liking.

[~Jordan`]

defin prod david.

[~Jordan`]

Bruce, I think you misunderstood. I said that I like the chain idea, but as a suggestion to work around. With everyone's input. My main objection to you was that you said things point blank as a command rather than a suggestion. Instead of saying "I think you should do this", you said as if you had complete command, "You do this". Maybe I only picked up on that because I have this thing with unquestioned authority so even hints make me twitch, but that's all I was saying. And I've found in that past that the people who state things that way in a mafia game, aren't ever town.

eh. I think you misunderstood.

I specifically put "we should discuss this" for a lot of the things i put in that big post.

Top of the page vote count:
Eleanor has 1 vote (Mary Rose)
David has 1 vote (Charles)
Ralph has 1 vote (Robin)
Carmen has 1 vote (Ralph)
Mary Rose has 1 vote (Bruce)
No other votes have been cast, as yet.
7 is what we need.

[~Jordan`]

prof., i think tis cool how you edit our posts to make ur own, but its slightly confusing. Could you just make new posts?

[~Jordan`]

If its gonna be automatic, I suppose there's no need to speed it up by actually voting. These lurkers are annoying.

K, I do think we should not use a chain that can easily be broken.

I don't think Tina would go as far to make the mafia win faster and easier, as it hurts her win condition (she has to win b4 the mafia or us do, yes?)

However, we have to play it safe. Besides; with all these lurkers, there's no telling who's active enough to follow this chain.

NOnetheless, if we all decide to agree and follow this chain (which is unlikely), all that mafia/Tina has to do is decide who they prefer to kill.

I believe we could do several smaller chains, if we think about it (maybe I will when I get time).

Also: To make a point. The Mafia/Tina are probably going to go after the best players, obv. And w/ Tina roleblocking...we obviously can't announce who we're going to protect.


My Suggestions:

Robin should probably scan and protect tonite. Especially since ur one shots can't be permanently blocked.

Zombie Tom isn't exactly a cop. For him to work, we have to predict/make sure we know who will target who. He either learns who targetted that player (perhaps with an arrest), or he learns the alliance of the players who use night actions on a player. I'm gonna guess the former, but make sure by

asking the mod if this is true

.

Yes, it is.

Ofc we can't tell you who to target.

David is too inactive. I hate him and his little magic tricks. However...your ability may be useful during this Night of obvious NK targets. We should make it clear that you are going to protect someone, despite what may actually occur. Just choose someone and convince us that you'll do it.

Ralph..make sure you use your ability to switch a player who will probably be a NK target and probably not a town target (or weigh the consequences and make ur decision; which we'll be questioning you about if something bad comes of it) with a player who is just the opposite (i.e. a very scummy player we did not lynch.)

Bruce is doc and will not reveal his night target, but promises to make one.

Charles..I just realized you are a roleblocker AND doc. Don't roleblock those with key abilities, but please role block the...others, preferably the scummy...others.

Wade..I'm not saying you should agree with this, especially not ostensibly (unless, ofc, you are lying), but you probably won't be a valid target for NK. Probably ever. Still...you might be scum neway, so sigh.

Question to mod: is his ability absolute (3 kills target him, will he die?).

One billion kills could target Wade, and he won't die in that bomb shelter.

Chloe..Use your ability. Obv. Most importantly, use it right.

Mary/Rose..control yourself tonite, unless we get unlynched obv scum. Make sure ur really sure. You will have to answr for your actions.

Carmen..I won't suggest much, but we have too many free NKs. Make sure one day you use it on Jack, who I'd like to use his ability tonite, and tonite maybe you should use your ability on the most dangerous NKers...like David. And ofc obv scum.

Eleanor..Use it as you will.

QUestion to mod: do her contacts grow as he uses her ability nightly?

Yes.

Jack the Hit Man..For safety I would prefer your ability used tonite so Carmen can cap you off. THis should be discussed.

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Important Scumfinding Info:

Each night, one of the cops must drop their act, and make an arrest.

Tina still kills with a poison, and she still dances to distract her enemies. And now, she has assumed the guise of someone else, and can perform that person’s night action as well.

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We actually have the potential to break the game, the way I see it...

If Robin, Jack, Mary, David, all kill a player tonite, and one(not robin) is boosted by Chloe, along with our lynch and the 2 nightkills (tina and cop), that will be...8 kills in 1 night. And we have 12 people this game. So yea.

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Let's Discuss:

Jack. Chloe (her target can be announced w/o much consequence).

[~Jordan`]

actually I'm just guessing from expirience.

I thought mafia only needs majority and Tina wants to kill everyone. /whimpers

but i see what you mean. Tina wants everyone to die. My old, crummy, scumdar pings to Robin's posts...

i feel hte best way to stop lurking is to punish others for lurking.

unvote; vote david

[~Jordan`]

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen! My name is

David

, and I have something

very

special planned for you all... Let's not get ahead of ourselves, however, as that's for another time... To get started, I will start with a prediction! Yes, that's right!

I predict that

Jack

is, indeed, Tina! Oh, you think I'm wrong, do you? Well, we'll see...we'll see...

Now, my grand audience, let the show begin!

@Eldricht

why?

[~Jordan`]

/sighs.

don't be too hasty. I am town and try to act like town so you will not be too hasty.

I has a big problem w/ acting scummy, and now apparently I am scummy for trying really hard not to seem scummy. That is reasoning that I cannot contradict.

[~Jordan`]

/confused.

[~Jordan`]

"I want to wait" != "being too hasty"

uh...duh?

Mislynches are hasty.

[~Jordan`]

1. Bruce seems to be suggesting that he has information about Tina that is not posted in this game thread or the previous game thread, which I find highly suspicious.

2. Unless I have missed something, I don't see anything in either game about Tina's nightkill being invisible to investigators, and yet Bruce states that as a fact and so far has not explained his assertion.

3. Also, Bruce's eagerness to claim that Tina "will be smart and use her night action like we tell her" set my teeth on edge.

4. His sudden U-turn to vote for "lurker" David when Bruce began to draw some negative attention himself looks like deflection, particularly since it appears that the original David was not a "lurker" but a "flaker".

5. And Bruce's post saying that he has a "big problem with acting scummy" but that he's "trying really hard not to seem scummy" also set my scumdar ringing loudly. Even louder than the wimpy - and easily bypassed, thank you very much - alarm system installed at the property of the out of town cats whom I was burglarizing last night.

1. This is untrue.

2. You've already been corrected on this.

3. More of a hopeful kind of post; basically trying to outthink Tina or at least convince her to do as she's told.

4. I didn't see it as a u-turn...where was my attention beforehand?

5. I still don't understand how this is scummy..
/weeps at his massive failure to break the brick that is his fail

[~Jordan`]

I may support this plan

only if

Bruce agrees... this is a good way to put him in the corner.

But tbh I think he is an undercover cop, so I am dying tonight (they will exchange me for him, as in a chess game: he does not protect me, I die, he gets lynched tomorrow)... still I will take the risk, if he agrees to use this plan.

*Robin looks attentively at Bruce, waiting for his reaction*

/sighs.

I am town. Still trying to figure out ur response to my defense..

I already said my actions would show I am protown, and already promised to use it nightly. Don't get annoying w/ me.

I was gonna protect Robin from the beginning. I tried to not make it totally clear, but who else has the best protown role?

Still. Tina is a roleblocker.

@mod: does my ability protect from roleblockers?

Negative

.

Also, I'm a valid target too. Tina is gonna go after the biggest threats. Don't be like "oh, he knows what tina's gonna do!", b/c thats stupid.
Think: what would you do if you had a roleblock, NK, and regular ability to abuse nightly?

[~Jordan`]

not, force, allow.

I am town, and will find some way to prove it before you people move on to a mislynch...

[~Jordan`]

ill do it if only to stall a mislynch. Just pointing out the phail in choosing who I protect.