Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

[RayFrost]

Yo.

I've been watching this game as of late (haven't seen the earlier pages, but have been keeping up with the most recent ones). I'm a decent enough chess player, and I look forward to playing this game with all of you

[RayFrost]

based on what I can see into each of the moves, I can see the attack that Zaz is thinking of that would actually be pretty good, despite the piece disadvantages. It'd be a good end game position for white and would likely promote a win if played correctly (with very little chance of black successfully retaliating... unless they can see where it is headed as well).

move: Nxh7

assuming black plays as shown by veerus, it's a really good move that's not very obvious at first.

actually pointing out the sequence in question after this would be telling. Put simply:

I agree with

Yos2

Zaz

[RayFrost]

based on what I can see into each of the moves, I can see the attack that Zaz is thinking of that would actually be pretty good, despite the piece disadvantages. It'd be a good end game position for white and would likely promote a win if played correctly (with very little chance of black successfully retaliating... unless they can see where it is headed as well).

move: Nxh7

assuming black plays as shown by veerus, it's a really good move that's not very obvious at first.

actually pointing out the sequence in question after this would be telling. Put simply:

I agree with

Yos2

Zaz

Even if black doesn't play the move Veerus showed, it has only one other option to save its queen from our knight. Which also has good results for us.

And I like the last sentence ^.^ It makes me sound as a famous player XD

I thought you were a "famous" scummer?

Also, I was merely examining the move choice made by black in Veerus' line of reasoning. It looks to me as if he doesn't see the options available.

[RayFrost]

Moderator: Prod everyone who has not posted a move vote until now.

why not all the inactives, not just those?

[RayFrost]

Ah.

[RayFrost]

Prod received and read. Waiting for the inactives to post something...

[RayFrost]

I'm still alive, surprisingly enough.

[RayFrost]

Here. Waiting for one of the following to happen:
-The inactives to become active.
-The Move-hammer for Nxh7.
-The deadline to hit.

Or hopefully for someone to think things thru and go for g4.

Fat chance.

QFT

[RayFrost]

Movecount, then I decide.

why not decide now?

[RayFrost]

Rh6 - good response to Qf7, imo.

[RayFrost]

Rh6 - good response to Qf7, imo.

I like the move, but could you have waited with it? Deadline hits soon with Nxh7 having more support than scumdriven move g4. There was no need to show such a strong attack.

>.>.<.<

I totally forgot about that. Anyway... I'm not sure I see a response Black can make in response to the move, but I'll need to take some time to read it out to determine that fully...

[RayFrost]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. Qe2 Be7 7. Nd5 Nb4 8. Nxb4 cxb4 9. d4 Nf6 10. Qc4 a6 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qd3 O-O 13. Qxf5 d5 14. Qd3 Ne4 15. g3 Bf5 16. Qb3 Nxd2 17. Kxd2 Be4 18. Re1 Kh8 19. Qe3 g5 20. Bd3 gxf4 21. Qe2 Bxd3 22. Qxd3 Bd6 23. Re6 Rf6 24. Ng5 Ra7 25. Qf3 Rf5 26. h4 Be7 27. Qd3 Qf8 28. g4 Bxg5 29. gxf5

I'm just going to expand upon this line here to show a little bit...

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. Qe2 Be7 7. Nd5 Nb4 8. Nxb4 cxb4 9. d4 Nf6 10. Qc4 a6 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qd3 O-O 13. Qxf5 d5 14. Qd3 Ne4 15. g3 Bf5 16. Qb3 Nxd2 17. Kxd2 Be4 18. Re1 Kh8 19. Qe3 g5 20. Bd3 gxf4 21. Qe2 Bxd3 22. Qxd3 Bd6 23. Re6 Rf6 24. Ng5 Ra7 25. Qf3 Rf5 26. h4 Be7 27. Qd3 Qf8 28. g4 Bxg5 29. gxf5 Re7 30. Rxe7 Qxe7

Black ends up in a rather solid position, imo. If we do...


1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. Qe2 Be7 7. Nd5 Nb4 8. Nxb4 cxb4 9. d4 Nf6 10. Qc4 a6 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qd3 O-O 13. Qxf5 d5 14. Qd3 Ne4 15. g3 Bf5 16. Qb3 Nxd2 17. Kxd2 Be4 18. Re1 Kh8 19. Qe3 g5 20. Bd3 gxf4 21. Qe2 Bxd3 22. Qxd3 Bd6 23. Re6 Rf6 24. Ng5 Ra7 25. Qf3 Rf5 26. h4 Be7 27. Qd3 Qf8 28. g4 Bxg5 29. gxf5 Re7 30. Rxe7 Qxe7 31. hxg5 Qxg5 32. Rxh7 Kxh7 33. f6 Qg6 34. Qxg6 Kxg6

Black wins due to further advanced pawns. Forced sequences are not necessarily good ones.

[RayFrost]

I probably suck at chess in comparison to most of the players here, so yeah

I used to be decent at it, but I lost my skills after not playing for a few years >.>

just ignore me, I guess

[RayFrost]

Hrmmm... I've looked through the moves again. tcs and co are right that my line(s) of reasoning fail, and I can't follow a line of reasoning that

is

good for Nxh7... cuz of this, I'm changing over, since I can see how the line I posed (with the change tcs showed) would be beneficial to white.

unmove, move g4

[RayFrost]

Hrmmm... I've looked through the moves again. tcs and co are right that my line(s) of reasoning fail, and I can't follow a line of reasoning that

is

good for Nxh7... cuz of this, I'm changing over, since I can see how the line I posed (with the change tcs showed) would be beneficial to white.

unmove, move g4

Because your move 'fails', doesn't mean that other moves resulting from Nxh7 fail.
(Yes, I disagree with TCS and Veerus that your move fails)

why do you disagree? O.o it's obv not a good move, seeing as what they do shows it pretty well

[RayFrost]

vote: hxg5

obv choice.

[RayFrost]

Move: hxg5

The only advantage we got out of that move was the knowledge that the mafia are entirely within {veerus, AA, TCS, Goatrevolt, RF}.
Oh, yeah, and a pawn

It's not my fault I fail at chess I don't have Zaz's insight, but, after seeing the offered move... we could've won pretty quickly. I screwed up there.

Zazie:
I'm frustrated too- and I may owe you and apology- because I didn't believe that 2 mafia could manipulate the 3 remaining town into speedlynching a suboptimal move, not when 4 were [supposedly] aware of what the what the best move was.

being aware of it still doesn't mean I'm aware of how good it is.

I might bug ModSSK if I see him and he hasn't bothered to get around to this.

[RayFrost]

Agreed with IH. The obv move.

move: Rg6

[RayFrost]

Qf5 is terrible. Absolutely terrible. So completely and utterly terrible that I'm repeatedly saying TERRIBLE.

[RayFrost]

Then I guess you don't see the same moves I do?

[RayFrost]

oh, forgot I was in this game

move: Qf5

it seems like a good move. I see nothing wrong with it.